It was - thank you. It's tricky... Not much to go on with Howard or his children. It's like they're just nowhere near a computer or camera at any time in their lives.... So I had the info on Elta - but only a scribble from my Mom on the two sons and Jackie Lewis (Half Sis). No clarity really...so that helps.. No mention of a first wife or her name or the other Patricia you mention? (Will pursue that) Can't find a thing so far. I did just send a letter out to Scott (last known address) we'll see if that produces anything. I'm trying to find someone that might do a dna test (I'll pay for it!) to establish a connection. I think I have dna connection to a wally linquist whos mother married a tunnecliff way back somewhere (my wife is helping me with this - so I'm not sure exactly yet) If I can establish that connection - that side of my tree goes back to the 1580's or so. This is fun! Thanks for your input.