Warren - Family History & Genealogy Message Board

Re: Mary Bohmbach, died Warrenton 1894

ldahling — 2013-01-15 21:27:43Z

Stumbled across a photo of Mary's gravestone in Warrenton. It says she was in the orphanage, but I have no idea how she ended up down there:

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=bo...;

Looking for "Betsy Warren" (DOD 1904?)

carowarz — 2012-12-20 05:24:06Z

I am looking for a "Bessie Warren" (possibly "Betsy" or "Elisabeth") who had a love child by a person named "Hank" (last name unknown). The child was known as Earl (1904-1970), but sometime around 1930 he changed his last name to "Warren".

I understand that Bessie died soon after Ear was born (suicide); I have been told that she through herself off a bridge.

Right now, likely because of the name change I cant find anything about Bessie or Earl Warren.

Re: Jemimia Green

wfgayd1 — 2012-11-09 22:41:32Z

wrong family for your Lucy. This Jemina is wife of Samuel Green and parent of Robert Jackson Green who married Lucy Lawson

Re: Posted for Warren county

DutzowMo — 2012-10-30 12:59:33Z

Make that Lafayette County! What did we do before Google?
Dorris

Re: Posted for Warren county

DutzowMo — 2012-10-30 12:57:12Z

The Warren County Historical Society monitors this message board and should answer this. I do know that Higginsville is NOT in Warren County. Many early Warren County families that had southern sympathies moved to Higginsville after the Civil War. Higginsville, also the site for a Veterans hospital, is located near Warrensburg, and I think in Johnson County (not sure about the county!)

Dorris

Re: Posted for Warren county

boedekerdel121 — 2012-10-29 20:40:49Z

My grand father was Fred boedeker. Fritz and Laura d Barnes. Do you have any info on himor his wife. Fritz was Caroline boedeker. All lived in Higgensville

Re: Jesse Caton Sr and Esther Sparks

CSchoppenhorst — 2012-09-10 12:49:08Z

The State Archives are in Jefferson City, which is a little more than an hour's drive from Warrenton. Warrenton is on I-70 an hour west of St. Louis. I am generally at the Historical Society in Warrenton on Fridays 10-4 if you want to see the original records. Warren County was formed from Montgomery in 1833, and Montgomery County's records burned twice, so I don't think you're going to find any records about them there. Local records is working on circuit court now, and I think I processed a land partition recently that mentioned the Caton-Carter family. I also know a Sparks descendant who goes to reunions in Odessa (near Kansas City). Feel free to contact me directly using by first initial and last name at yahoo.com.

Re: Jesse Caton Sr and Esther Sparks

JulieSpencer11 — 2012-09-10 10:34:10Z

Thank you for this information. Jesse Sr died in 1827 and his widow Esther Sparks died in 1832. Is it possible there are will and probate records prior to 1833?
Two of the daughters of Jesse Sr and Esther Sparks married John B Carter. John Carter first married Jemima Caton, they had a son Zimri Allen Carter then Jemima died and John married her sister Mahala Caton. In John Carter's will, he does mention that his son Zimri and his 2nd wife Mahala inherited from Jesse Jr.
Where are the state archives located? I might plan a trip to MO for research. In looking at my MO county map, Warren CO is on the east side of the state. Are the state archives located close to Warren CO?
Thanks again.
Julie Caton Spencer

Re: Jesse Caton Sr and Esther Sparks

CSchoppenhorst — 2012-09-10 03:13:35Z

I work with Local Records Preservation in Warren County, and have a preliminary index to the probate records 1833-1900. There is no file for Jesse Sr., but there is an estate file for Jesse Jr., and a guardianship file for Lucelia Orphelia Caton. There are no Caton wills, but Jesse Jr.'s probate file is fairly large - 243 images. The index shows his administrator had to post a $20,000 bond. He had heirs in Texas and 3 MO counties. Lucelia's file contains 9 images. Both files are at the Warren County Historical Society, who charge $25 per hour to do research. They have been microfilmed by the State Archives. Jesse and Missouri Caton and two of their children are buried in the Lamme Cemetery. See: http://www.danielboonefamily.org/children/jemima/frances/lam...

Re: Jesse Caton Sr and Esther Sparks

JulieSpencer11 — 2012-09-09 02:11:43Z

Thank you.
I believe the 24 Apr 1820 date refers to the Act of Congress that established the land grant program. The 1840 date was the actual purchase date of the land by Jesse. With the year 1840, that would be Jesse Jr.
Do you live in Warren CO?

Re: Jesse Caton Sr and Esther Sparks

davidtodd42 — 2012-09-08 16:34:45Z

It looks like Jesse purchased land in Warren County, MO

Section 34 Township 45 Range 1 5th Prime Meridian
Section 35 Township 45 Range w 5th Prime Meridian

looks like there was a cash entry on April 24, 1820
recorded at General Land Office on October 1, 1840

Jesse Caton Sr and Esther Sparks

JulieSpencer11 — 2012-09-08 12:36:25Z

Looking for information on Jesse Caton Sr and his wife Esther Sparks, who are my 4th great grandparents. Jesse born in MD 1762, died 1827 in Warren CO, MO. Esther born 1770 in NC, died 1832 in Warren CO, MO. Jesse traveled from MD to Rowan CO, NC with his parents Charles Caton and Jemina Summers along with other adult siblings. Jesse, Esther, and his family were then in KY prior to MO.
Children of Jesse & Esther were:
Noah who married Fannie McDermid
Frances who married Daniel Gillis & William Eaton
Elizabeth Ann who married John Boone Calloway
Nancy Elizabeth who married Adam Zumwalt
Jemima M who married John B Carter
Jonas Sparks Caton who married Ora Clark & Jane ?
Jesse Jr who married Missouri Lamme
Mahala M who married John B Carter after Jemima's death
Rebecca Ann who married David Howard, John McCutchen, and William Menefee
Amanda who married Thomas Campbell
Hester Ann who married Hines Linn/Lynn

I'm looking for information on wills and probates of both Jesse Sr and Jesse Jr, also if there is a will for Esther.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Julie Caton Spencer

Re: Joseph Brandel

swenson5570 — 2012-08-03 13:38:27Z

my wifes family Anton Brandel father , Catherine Hart mother Anna Brandel daugther married Leonard Kraus in Oconto, Wi. Oct 1885. ACCORDING TO OBIT Anna was born in Manitowoc about 1866

Henry Kamp in Wright City--need obituary

Becky_Millinger — 2012-07-24 18:20:22Z

I'm researching Peter Henry Kamp who died 17 May 1901 in St. Louis and is buried in Wright City Cemetery with his wife, Louisie Boille-she died on 18 March 1889. Can anyone tell me where I might find an obituary for this couple.

Thank you.

Re: Tidswell in Warrenton

augustbleyenberg — 2012-07-20 23:36:50Z

Since my family tree is on Heritage.com.,and it looks like
you are on ancestry.com, I guess I can't get the picture.
Thanks so much anyway..I would love to see what our ancestors looked like...Mary

Re: Tidswell in Warrenton

lupdike_1 — 2012-07-16 21:33:09Z

The only photo I have is of Mary on my Roberts family tree.

Re: Tidswell in Warrenton

augustbleyenberg — 2012-07-16 00:20:50Z

Hi Laurie! From my research, Thomas Jr.died in Independence Mo.1n 1910. I found records of the census listing him as a widower by 1880.My grandmother was one of
his three children by wife Emeline Wyatt. He married again to Charlotte Narron, and they had 2 more childen. I'm trying to find his grave and his two wives graves, but so far no luck..I live very close to Independence, and one of these days I plan on searching the county records. Do you have any old photos of the family? It was great hearing from you. Mary

Re: Tidswell in Warrenton

lupdike_1 — 2012-07-15 22:33:51Z

Thank you so much! Do you know if that's where he died?-Laurie PS I'm descended from their sister Mary.

Re: Tidswell in Warrenton

augustbleyenberg — 2012-07-14 23:36:50Z

My great-grandfather Thomas J. Tidswell,Jr.1850-1910 had
a brother named Alfred. Thomas was from Warrenton & later
moved to Indep. Mo.

Re: Tidswell in Warrenton

augustbleyenberg — 2012-07-14 23:30:49Z

I believe Thomas J. Tidswell, Jr. was my great-grandfather.
Born in 1850,he came from Manchester,England when 12 yrs.old. His father was Thomas J.Tidswell,Sr., and mother
was Lucy Wooolum Tidswell. His siblings were Lucy, Annie,
Ellen & Fannie. From England they came to Macon, Mo. and
from there he moved to Warrenton. He married Emeline Wyatt
born 1847, in Independence,Mo.and they had three children..
one of which was my grandmother, Eleanor Woolum Tidswell.

Re: Joseph Brandel

kbrandel1 — 2012-07-11 19:34:54Z

My great Grandfather John had a brother named Joseph. He was born also in wisconsin. John was born in Manitowoc. Do you have any other info. If these are the same family perhaps we can help each other.

Ken Brandel

Re: Looking for info on William Thomas and Angie (Camp)

CSchoppenhorst — 2012-07-10 01:52:46Z

Jones buried in the Thomas cemetery are: Calvin Jones died 14 May 1867 age 54-5-18; James 23 Feb 1855-6 Oct 1876; James W son of C&M died 7 Mar 1862 age 21y4m; Joseph C son of C&M died 17 Dec 1856 age 2-5-19; Mahala wife of Calvin died 5 May 1874 age 61y 29d; Martha A daughter of D&M, died 18 Nov 1846 age 3-8-10; Sarah J wife of W M, died 14 May 1859 age 32y3m; William died 14 Oct 1873 age 51-6-6. There are also Jones in the Central Grove, Oak Grove, Jonesburg, Palmyra and several other small family cemeteries, including Dr. John Jones, who was murdered near Marthasville.

Wayhouses on the "National Road" active 1875-1882

tgkohn — 2012-07-09 21:25:36Z

I'm looking for names and locations of wayhouses that were in business around 1880. I hope to find guest registers that may include my ancestors the John Robert OHNSAT family, who traveled the National Road by Conestoga wagon from Pittsburgh PA to Pittsburgh KS around 1877. (This town in Mitchell County, in north-central Kansas, was later renamed to Tipton, to avoid confusion for postal deliveries in Pittsburg, Crawford County, Kansas. Parts of my research are documented in my blog, http://tgkohn.blogspot.com/2012/06/ohnsat-mystery-on-nationa...)

I know that the National Road actually ended in Vandalia IL, and that National Road travel was eclipsed by the railway system, beginning as early as the 1860s. However, a family anecdote claims the family took the National Road, and even one register entry would help prove the anecdote's truth.

Thus, what was a main throughfare from St. Louis to Kansas City may have had a different local name, though its function was as a continuation of the National Road. I've travelled all of I-70 and most of U.S. 40, the construction of which pretty much obliterated the actual National Road.

I welcome replies that include information about

- Still-extant remnants of the National Road
- Wayhouses in the county
- Rail development in the county
- County historical societies or museums that may hold such information

Thanks,
Thomas Kohn
tgkohn@aol.com
(Direct replies encouraged)

Re: Looking for info on William Thomas and Angie (Camp)

clarklove16 — 2012-07-09 15:25:35Z

Do u know what jones are buried there...I'm related to camps also,

Re: WILLIAMS IN WARREN

clarklove16 — 2012-07-09 15:03:19Z

Hi, I was seaching for some info about some williams...my great grandmothers name was laura williams and she lived in warren county....elkhorn, warrenton....I was told she moved from a indian reservation...was ur family part indian?

Re: Wayhouses on the "National Road" active 1875-1882

tgkohn — 2012-07-07 14:23:35Z

Thank you Dorris for some additional detail. I found these links that are helpful:

Boone's Lick State Historic Site http://mostateparks.com/park/boones-lick-state-historic-site

Arrow Rock
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow_Rock,_Missouri

Are there extant hotels from the 1880s in Warren County or St. Charles County?

Thanks again for the leads,
Tom

Re: Wayhouses on the "National Road" active 1875-1882

DutzowMo — 2012-07-07 03:03:54Z

When the National Road reached St. Louis in 1880, it reached a rather populated area. Villages had sprung up, the railroad had commenced in the 1850s, leading to the decline of steamboat travel even. The trail really took up again in St. Charles, founded in 1769, where it traveled westward on the earlier Boone's Lick Trail / Road, which had become the Western Plank Road in 1851. That road led westward thru Arrow Rock and ultimately connected to The Sante Fe Trail. Today that route through Missouri runs roughly near Interstate 70 across the state.

Dorris Keeven-Franke
St. Charles County Historical Society Archivist
archives@scchs.org

Also secretary of the Boone's Lick Road Association

Abington

DutzowMo — 2012-07-02 03:04:13Z

I am doing research on the Abington families, and their slaves that lived near Foristell before and during the Civil War. Please contact me if you are a descendent of either one.

dorris@keeven-franke.com

Re: History of haunted house Warren County

hilopip — 2012-06-05 03:01:09Z

If you are referring to the big stone house that was a light tan color, and you could see the house from hwy 70, I think the house is gone.
My dad lived near this house as a child, and told of a man living their that tortured people. The house looked more like a fort with weird little holes that looked like small windows.

Sullivan, Lucy, Hubble, O'neal, Henry, McFadden, Braswell, Carnahan, Steverson, Stepherson

stormymontana — 2012-05-06 23:31:26Z

Hello, I am wondering if you can help me. I am researching our Sullivan family Line. They lived in the Missouri area from the 1850s through the turn of the century. We are not sure of the eldest parents names but understand that they passed away sometime during the Civil War in the Pest House near Ironton, Missouri. We were also told that this "Pest House" was later referred to as the "Poor Farm". They had several children that were taken in by various family and area people following their parent's death from the Small Pox. Two of the children were William Victor Sullivan (born in Dec 1859) and his brother, John L. Sullivan (born in August 1856). We believe there were two sisters, N.Nancy and Elizabeth (Lizzie). We believe there may have been others but can't be sure. William was reportedly born in Liberty, Iron County, Missouri and in all likliness, so were his siblings. We would love to know more about the family should anyone know. William Victor Sullivan married Etta Caroline Braswell, Lizzie married Nathan Oneal. A small note that a cousin has shared has some information written on it that, "the Sullivans were buried near the "Ivester Farm". We are not sure if there may be a cemetery there somewhere or that they were buried on what is now "private property". We would love to discover the whereabouts of their final resting place. Other families associated are the "Carnahans" Stevenson or Stepherson" "Hubble" "Oneal" and "MCfadden" Should you have any information, please email me at glendalecrazy@aol.com or give me a call at 406-465-5667. Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Re: Tidswell in Warrenton

lupdike_1 — 2012-02-19 02:15:50Z

I know that Thomas and Lucy Tidswell's oldest son was named Alfred-but I can't find anything about him after 1864! I wonder if it's the same one? He would be my ggg grandmother's brother-born in April 1839 in Lancashire.

Re: Tidswell in Warrenton

CSchoppenhorst — 2012-02-18 17:43:22Z

Do you know anything about the Civil War era photographer, Alfred G Tidswell, from Warrenton? Several of his photos are on ebay right now.

Re: Hollands and Bowens

crsnyldbry — 2012-01-25 17:44:28Z

Hi, my name is Chris, My Greatgrand father is John Hurtgen, 1881 - 1965. My John was married to Nadine Cordell, he was the son of Henry Hurtgen & Rossina Guering. Henry Was a blacksmith & sherrif of Jefferson County Mo. in 1878. I have a short bio for Henry, and countless newspaper articles about Henry & family. Can we be talking about the same Hurtgens?? I would love to have a copy of the document you got your information from.
Sincerely,
chris

Re: Information on Solomon Painter and the Post Office/Store

wlpainter — 2011-12-05 22:51:33Z

Cathie,
Thanks so very much for the prompt reply. I'll look forward to doing more research and visiting when the museum re-opens in April.
Wil

Re: Information on Solomon Painter and the Post Office/Store

CSchoppenhorst — 2011-12-05 22:44:47Z

Yes, Adam was Solomon's father. There is some Painter info at the Historical Society, but it will probably be closed until spring, so post questions here and I'll try to answer. Also there are still Painters in the Marthasville area.

Re: Information on Solomon Painter and the Post Office/Store

wlpainter — 2011-12-05 21:45:54Z

Just ran into this thread!
I am a descendant of Solomon Painter, and now have a daughter going to school in St Louis, so I'm definitely interested in visiting the cemeteries and pursuing relations. Was Adam Solomon's father? My tree ends with Solomon & Sophia Ahmann.
Regards to all
Wil Painter

Warren County Historical Society

CSchoppenhorst — 2011-10-24 03:45:59Z

Due to renovations, WCHS will not be open regularly until spring. If you are planning a research trip to the area, please email museum@history-warrencountymo.com to see if the library will be available. Thanks!
Cathie Schoppenhorst, Curator

Re: Pape, Henry H and St Paul's Evangelical Church Steinhagen.

rehmkm1 — 2011-10-24 02:35:17Z

I recently visited the Steinhagen Cemetery off Hwy 47 and remembered seeing the surname Pape inscribed on tablets nearby my Lueck gg-grandparents' tombstones. Then, I came across an newspaper article about the cemetery that contained a photo of the tablets (difficulty attaching the article, email me if you want it: rehmkm(at)sbcglobal(dot)net). I'll be visiting the cemetery again sometime soon. I think this is your Pape family. If you're interested, I will take and send you photos of the tombstones I find with that surname when I return. I'm particularly interested in what you know about his wife Katherine Bonning, if anything. I have two sets of gg-grandparents laid to rest there at Steinhagen Cemetery. The other, Michael Ullmer and his wife Elizabeth Bonning. I wonder if the girls Katherine and Elizabeth were sisters. Elizabeth was from Grunwettersbach, Germany; her husband, Michel was from Goebrichen, Baden-Wuerttemburg, Germany.

Re: Information on Solomon Painter and the Post Office/Store

jpwrrntn — 2011-10-01 21:09:46Z

Hello Miles A Wilson,
Would you please contact me about the Solomon Painter Cemetery. You can reach me at jpwrrntn@aol.com Thank you

Re: Information on Solomon Painter and the Post Office/Store

milesawilson — 2011-09-12 16:58:21Z

The Solomon Painter cemetery is just a few yards beyond the south property line of my parcel, overlooking a small tributary of the headwaters of Tuque Creek.

Re: Tidswell in Warrenton

lupdike_1 — 2011-08-13 21:18:33Z

I also forgot to add-THANK YOU BOTH SO VERY MUCH!-Laurie

Re: Tidswell in Warrenton

lupdike_1 — 2011-08-13 21:17:40Z

According to my Mama(who is now deceased),Thomas Sr owned the store.-Laurie

Re: Tidswell in Warrenton

CSchoppenhorst — 2011-08-12 03:43:14Z

I think I found a brief reference in Krekel's provost marshal book: http://cdm.sos.mo.gov/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/CivilWar&a... on page 13. The page is dated Dec 31st /62, but I believe it may be 1861, as the following page is Jan 2nd 1862. "? Tidswell of Warrenton filed an account against U.S. for property which he claims were taken from his store. The account is on file." Unfortunately the files he mentioned are not included. I haven't reread the entire book, so there may be other incidents recorded later.

Re: Tidswell in Warrenton

DutzowMo — 2011-08-12 03:38:56Z

Sure. I just recall - and it was distant research - a Thomas Tidswell who was a tinsmith and was born in England lived in that log house we dismantled on Oak Street. I'm sure I wrote a column on it.

I did take a look at Provost Marshall records (they are online through the Missouri Secretary of State) but for Tidswell, only found a case for a Jr. in Macon County with a claim.

Re: Tidswell in Warrenton

CSchoppenhorst — 2011-08-12 03:14:39Z

Could it be the other way around? The probate which contained the dry goods inventory was likely for Senior, with Junior as the administrator. Or did Senior just have two very different occupations? I haven't had a chance to research the location.

Re: Bussman, Holke; MO and OK

elizcorley — 2011-08-10 18:25:50Z

I'm responding to the message you posted several years ago about Catharina Maria Holke and Hermann Freidrich Bussmann. Do you have more information about them or their families?
Thank you!

Re: Tidswell in Warrenton

DutzowMo — 2011-08-10 02:28:56Z

So Thomas Tidswell Sr was a tinsmith, and Jr owned a drygoods store? Which builidng?

Re: Tidswell in Warrenton

lupdike_1 — 2011-08-09 22:43:56Z

Sorry! Wrong son! Thomas Jr moved to Blue,Jackson,Mo-Laurie

Re: Tidswell in Warrenton

lupdike_1 — 2011-08-09 22:40:11Z

Thank you so much,Cathie!

Re: Tidswell in Warrenton

CSchoppenhorst — 2011-08-09 21:51:29Z

I looked at the naturalizations today. T J was 51 when he declared his intent to become a citizen on 16 July 1858. He became a citizen in the November term 1860, with T J Marshall and Fr Morsey as witnesses. I also looked at his probate file. There was a medical bill for daily visits from Dr. Middelkamp between June 20 and July 10, and a bill for burial clothes July 10th, funeral service by Rev. Gallagher July 11th and expenses for the coffin, ice and ice box, digging the grave, moving and resetting the fence July 12th 1879. I didn't find a bill for a tombstone, but they aren't always in the probate file. There were disbursement receipts from Mary A Roberts of East Varich NY, Fannie A Thane(?) of Arkansas City AR, Nellie S Maynard of Moberly MO, and John Harper curator of Surber(?) and Nellie Reynolds of Warrenton. There were 22 pages of inventory, 16 pages of appraisal and 40 pages accounting the sale of personal property and dry goods!