Baltimore City - Family History & Genealogy Message Board

Re: Charlesworth Hutton and Carolyn Thurow Hutton

giggard — 2013-05-23 23:42:25Z

THUROW

Name: Carolyn E P Thurow
Race: white
Address: 103 S. Washington St., Baltimore
Birth Place: Baltimore, Md.
Age: 18 yrs 6 mos

Comment:
NRF 8/26/18 lands for yeo,
Navy Dept Washington D.C.
9/4/18, Hon disch 11/14/18 inaptitude

Maryland in the World War 1917-1919
Military and Naval Service Records
In Two Volumes and Case of Maps Volume II

Re: VanNewkirk family

jjemanda0102 — 2013-05-21 20:20:33Z

Hi I am James Van Newkirk II and my dad is James Van Newkirk we are from texas and oklahoma area but ive notices there are a lot of James Van Newkirk's or just Van Newkirk's im wondering do you know where the Van Newkirk originated from?

Re: Frances Purzynski Bialecki

gcreek — 2013-05-20 17:29:52Z

Did a google search for old Baltimore Polish newspapers and found this site
http://www.pgsa.org/jednosc.php
and the attachment below. Good Luck

Re: Baltimore Sun Archives, Online? Cruse

LiselMoynihan — 2013-05-19 13:34:40Z

Hi- Can you send them to my personal email? It is lcmoynihan@hotmail.com. Thank you so very very much!

DIETZ/Deitz in Baltimore City 1850-1870's?

mandsdietz — 2013-05-19 01:26:46Z

Our line of six Dietz brothers from ESCHENBACH, BAVARIA arrived Balt. 1850-1853, the three youngest came last with their mother, Anna Maria Gilch Dietz, widow of JOhan Georg Dietz d. 1843. The five eldest bros. all worked in some form of furniture making.

JOSEPH SEBASTIAN DIETZ b. Jan 14, 1841, the youngest brother,had a job as a plumber in the 1860 census shown living with 4 of his bros.

The city directory shows a Joseph Dietz still doing plumbing in 1864 and living or working on King St. between Greene and Paca. There is another Joseph Dietz, cigar maker who may be a brother to a JOhn Dietz scissors grinder.
In 1865/66 the only Joseph Dietz is a cigar maker on Orleans ST.
In 1867/68 there are 3 Joseph Dietz: a tailer on Mulliken St., a laborer on Aliceanna St. and CONSTANCE AND DEITZ at 273 Pratt St. There is also a JOhn Dietz at the same address, but I believe that John Dietz is one of the six Dietz bros.

Can anyone help clear up the Dietz in these directories by claiming them?
s
1867/68

Re: BALTIMORE CITY ORPHAN'S COURT AND GUARDIANSHIP RECORDS

mandsdietz — 2013-05-19 00:09:55Z

Thank you, John, for the info. Unfortunately I now have to rely on someone to research some things for me if I am unable to find it online as it is to difficult to travel that far. Can you recommend anyone? s

Re: BALTIMORE CITY ORPHAN'S COURT AND GUARDIANSHIP RECORDS

mandsdietz — 2013-05-19 00:05:50Z

thank you for the info.
the list you provided is a decade + too early.
thanks again, s

Re: BALTIMORE CITY ORPHAN'S COURT AND GUARDIANSHIP RECORDS

Drhema — 2013-05-17 16:07:34Z

Some Baltimore Orphan's Court records can be found on familysearch.org. You have to sign in in order to view their records.
Maryland, Register of Wills Books, 1629-1999, Baltimore City.

Orphan's court proceedings Index 1777-1817 vol 1.
Orphan's court proceedings Index 1818-1833 vol 2.
Orphan's court proceedings Index 1834-1848 vol 3.
Orphan's court proceedings Index 1848-1857 vol 4.

Orphan's court proceedings 1777-1787 vol 1.
Orphan's court proceedings 1787-1792 vol 2.
Orphan's court proceedings 1792-1798 vol 3.
Orphan's court proceedings 1798-1803 vol 4.
Orphan's court proceedings 1803-1805 vol 5.
Orphan's court proceedings 1805-1808 vol 6.
Orphan's court proceedings 1808-1810 vol 7.
Orphan's court proceedings 1810-1814 vol 8.
Orphan's court proceedings 1814-1817 vol 9.
Orphan's court proceedings 1817-1819 vol 10.
Orphan's court proceedings 1819-1822 vol 11.
Orphan's court proceedings 1822-1824 vol 12.
Orphan's court proceedings 1824-1827 vol 13.
Orphan's court proceedings 1827-1829 vol 14.
Orphan's court proceedings 1829-1832 vol 15.
Orphan's court proceedings 1832-1834 vol 16.
Orphan's court proceedings 1834-1836 vol 17.
Orphan's court proceedings 1836-1839 vol 18.
Orphan's court proceedings 1839-1841 vol 19.
Orphan's court proceedings 1841-1843 vol 20.
Orphan's court proceedings 1843-1845 vol 21.
Orphan's court proceedings 1845-1846 vol 22.
Orphan's court proceedings 1846-1848 vol 23.
Orphan's court proceedings 1848-1849 vol 24.
Orphan's court proceedings 1849-1850 vol 25.

Re: Timing for immigrant before signing letter of intention

embtree — 2013-05-17 14:21:16Z

I think they could sign a declaration of intent anytime after arrival. I have seen some signed within the first year.

Miss. Eleanor Lewis abt 1921 Balto City - Shock, Knight, Lewis, Hopkins - WV, MD

oneadamone — 2013-05-17 05:17:01Z

I am searching for an Eleanor Lewis, most likely born abt 1900-1905. I have a letter addressed from her to Louis Charlton Shock in Magnolia, WV. The letter was sent from Balto City, Maryland in 1921, and she signed the letter 'your daughter Evelyn'. I have no other evidence of her existance, other than this letter and her name in an address book.

She spoke about her two younger sisters, one of which is my grandmother Sadie DeCaster Shock.

Louis Charlton Shock also had a sister living in Balto City, by the name Sadie or Blanch Knight.

If anyone has any info on this line, please let me know.

Thank you,

Adam Hitt
wkuadam@gmail.com
Louisville, KY

Re: Baltimore Sun Archives, Online? Cruse

protamine — 2013-05-17 01:08:16Z

Hello Lisel,

I have three death certificates. Should I scan them to your personal email or try to attach the file to a posting through Ancestry?

Carp;

Re: BALTIMORE CITY ORPHAN'S COURT AND GUARDIANSHIP RECORDS

jsiemon — 2013-05-16 22:37:00Z

s
Not easy to find even the record description and it does not appear that the records are online. They appear to be under the Register of Wills and Probate Records. From the Home (Main) page, click on "Reference and Research," which takes you to the Guide to Government Records. In the "Jump to Series" box in the upper right, the series I believe you want are T604 and CM208. (I don't initially see what the difference is in them.) They list the various microfilm reels covering different years. Some have been digitized (scanned), but none appear to be online. You may need to pay someone to research them. Guardianship appointments were often reported in the Sun, so you might try that avenue to identify dates for specific names.
John

BALTIMORE CITY ORPHAN'S COURT AND GUARDIANSHIP RECORDS

mandsdietz — 2013-05-16 21:09:24Z

Could someone please tell me how to find orphan court records at the state archives online or provide a link to them. I haven't had any success with what I have tried. I am looking for records from the mid to late 1800s. I would really appreciate your assistance. s

Re: Deceased Infants/Children.

gwwilliams44 — 2013-05-16 13:18:43Z

The Marland Archives ha an online index of Death Certificates at http://www.mdvitalrec.net/cfm/dsp_seriesunit.cfm?qu=CE&s....

The certificates themselves are not online, only an index, which can be used to order a hard copy. My G Grandmother's 1907 certificate lists the undertaker and the cemetery.

GWW

Deceased Infants/Children.

jesso70 — 2013-05-15 22:04:46Z

Apologies for this being kind of a morbid topic..

I've been working alot on my father's side of the family. Particularly the Braun/Brown 's of Locust Point. According to the 1900 Census my GG Grandmother Marie/Mary (Nawrot) Brown was the mother of 6 children/ 6 living. (Alexander, Charles, Catherine, Anna, Augusta, and Emma)

On the 1910 census Marie was a widow, with 6 living/ 9 total Children.
Catherine, Charles, Augusta, and my G Grandfather Julius Jr (the youngest living) are all on that census.

Alexander is married at that point, as is Anna.

So Emma must have died sometime between 1900-1910. And then there were 2 other children.

I know Julius Sr also died in 1907 (and is buried on the edge of Cedar Hill, without any sort of headstone)
I can't imagine that she could have afforded to bury 3 kids in addition to the husband as they were working class people.

As far as I know, there is no one buried with Julius Sr. And I have yet to find out where Marie is buried.

My question is what did they do with these children that died young? (I read that stillborns weren't supposed to be counted on the 1910 census.. so these were living breathing infants/children.)
Was there a potters field nearby? Did the city somehow collect them? Backyard burials? I just want to find these children..especially Emma since I can put a name to her.

Re: My Baltimore Families

sherryv2 — 2013-05-13 00:21:56Z

Thanks for the info, hope he's doing better. BTW, tell him Chuck died on 4/10, very sudden.

Re: apprenticeship records

chercheuse99 — 2013-05-10 01:07:55Z

Did you ever find this register or an index for it? I have some sailmakers in my family tree who likely apprenticed in Baltimore in the early 1800s, so I was curious about your request.

Re: Baltimore Sun Archives, Online? Cruse

LiselMoynihan — 2013-05-08 11:21:16Z

I can't believe how much info you and the others on the thread have found for me. Considering I have been wondering for 2-3 years, this is terrific.

Re: Baltimore Sun Archives, Online? Cruse

protamine — 2013-05-08 02:08:25Z

February 12, 1885

Re: Baltimore Sun Archives, Online? Cruse

Gregory_R_Burton — 2013-05-08 02:05:03Z

Carol,

What was the date of publication for Isabell's death notice.

Thanks.

Re: Baltimore Sun Archives, Online? Cruse

protamine — 2013-05-08 01:11:31Z

Entered into rest, Tuesday afternoon, 10th instant, at 4 o'clock, Isabella Jane, in the 76th year of her age, relict of the late Henry S. Cruse. Her funeral will take place from the residence of her son, George W. Cruse, No. 86 (or 88) North Gay Street at half past one o'clock this Thursday afternoon, 12th instant. Friends and relatives of the family are respectfully invited to attend.

Re: Baltimore Sun Archives, Online? Cruse

LiselMoynihan — 2013-05-08 00:21:13Z

Thanks for letting me know.

Re: Baltimore Sun Archives, Online? Cruse

Gregory_R_Burton — 2013-05-08 00:19:18Z

Death certificates began in Baltimore City in 1875. In the rest of the state in 1898.

Henry S. Cruse - Dec. 30, 1857, will not have a death certificate.

Re: Baltimore Sun Archives, Online? Cruse

LiselMoynihan — 2013-05-08 00:02:49Z

Carol-

Thank you so much! This is amazing. If you would be able to find death certificates, that would be great. Especially for Henry Cruse. I have been stuck for about 3 years trying to figure out who his parents were.

Can I ask you for one other obit? For Henry's wife, Isabella Jane Ford Cruse. I know it appears in the February 12, 1885 edition. Again, I am having
trouble finding her parents as well.

Thanks and if I can do anything for you, please let me know.

Lisel

Re: Baltimore Sun Archives, Online? Cruse

Gregory_R_Burton — 2013-05-07 20:47:51Z

Yes genealogybank.com is a subscription service.

Check out the titles they have. You may find it useful.

Re: Baltimore Sun Archives, Online? Cruse

Gregory_R_Burton — 2013-05-07 20:46:29Z

Obituary, Baltimore Sun, December 13, 1909, page 7
Elias T. Cruse.
The funeral of Mr. Elias T. Cruse, a retired tobacco merchant, who died Wednesday at his home, 1607 East North avenue, took place yesterday afternoon. Rev. Peregrine Wroth, rector of the Protestant Episcopal Church of the Messiah, conducted the services. Burial was in Greenmount Cemetery. The pallbearers were Messrs. Henry McElroy, John Schafer, Henry Fiamm, Dr. H. S. Abendschein, Capt. George Green, John Hess, Henry Brunt and John Rocker.

Re: Baltimore Sun Archives, Online? Cruse

protamine — 2013-05-07 13:30:53Z

Hello Edward,

I wasn't sure if you received my reply through Ancestry. If not, I would be glad to help. If you want to send the information to my email, it is:

sncschatz@verizon.net

Carol

Re: Baltimore Sun Archives, Online? Cruse

edwardklug1 — 2013-05-07 05:08:39Z

Carol,
My wife and I have been trying to construct my wife's family history and were also wondering about the Baltimore Sun Times archives. Would you be up to looking for some of her relatives as well? She has limited family background as she grew up in the Augsburg Lutheran orphanage and didn't get to hear all the stories.

Edward

Re: Baltimore Sun Archives, Online? Cruse

protamine — 2013-05-07 03:21:46Z

Hello-
I found all 4 of them,

On the 29th instant, of consumption, Henry Stansbury Cruse, in the 52d year of his age. His relatives and friends are invited to attend his funeral, on this (Wednesday) afternoon, at three o'clock, from his late residence, Mullikin Street, near Bond.

CRUSE--Suddenly, on May 2, at Catonsville, MD, John H. Cruse, in the 65th year of his age. Funeral will take place from his late residence, No. 809 Ensor Street, on this (Tuesday) afternoon, at three o'clock. Interment private.

CRUSE--Entered into rest, on Friday, July 15, 1904, George W. Cruse, beloved husband of Mary L. Cruse. Funeral from his late residence, No. 1719 North Broadway, on Sunday afternoon, at 4 o'clock.

CRUSE--On December 8, 1909, at his residence, No. 1607 East North Avenue, Elias T., aged 73 years, beloved husband of Elizabeth Cruse. (New York papers please copy) The relatives and friends of the family are respectfully invited to attend the funeral from the above residence on Sunday afternoon at 3 o'cloc. Interment in Greenmount Cemetery.

Thank you for the specific information. Also, do you need the death certificates? I should be able to get them and scan them to you.

Carol

Re: Baltimore Sun Archives, Online? Cruse

LiselMoynihan — 2013-05-07 00:54:47Z

Carol -

That would be fabulous! Can I give you 4 names? Henry is my 3rd great-grandfather. The other 3 are my 2nd great grand uncles. I have the exact dates and pages of the obits. They are:

Henry S. Cruse - Dec. 30, 1857, p.2
John H. Cruse - May 3, 1897, p.10
George W. Cruse - July 16, 1904, p.8
Elias T. Cruse - Dec. 11, 1909, p. 11

Thank you, Thank you so much!
Lisel

Re: Baltimore Sun Archives, Online? Cruse

LiselMoynihan — 2013-05-07 00:54:35Z

Re: Baltimore Sun Archives, Online? Cruse

protamine — 2013-05-06 21:23:21Z

You do if you are out of the state of Maryland. I would be glad to look in The SUN online if you want to share the name and death date.
Carol

Re: Baltimore Sun Archives, Online? Cruse

LiselMoynihan — 2013-05-06 20:59:50Z

Thanks for the info, I checked it out and I need to subscribe to that one as well right?

Re: Baltimore Sun Archives, Online? Cruse

Gregory_R_Burton — 2013-05-05 20:39:14Z

ProQuest Historical Newspapers: Baltimore Sun, The (1837-1987)

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Give some names and dates.

Re: Baltimore Sun Archives, Online? Cruse

Gregory_R_Burton — 2013-05-05 17:40:55Z

List the names and death dates that you seek. There are several active contributors who may be able to help.

Another source is (a subscription service)

www.genealogybank.com

Baltimore Sun Archives, Online? Cruse

LiselMoynihan — 2013-05-05 17:11:04Z

Hi-

What is the best way to access the Baltimore Sun online, from out of state? I noticed you can pay $50 to the Enoch Free library, $50 to the Baltimore County library, or go directly to the Baltimore sun and download articles (that is too expensive). Any help would be great, I know the Obits will help add pieces to my Cruse family puzzle.

Thanks

Re: Anna Taylor of Baltimore MD

tomthompson53 — 2013-05-05 07:00:17Z

John W Thompson

Post Name:

McHenry, Fort

Post Location:

Maryland

Post Commander:

M M Payne

Military Place:

Fort McHenry, Baltimore, Maryland

Return Period:

Jan 1832

Re: John W. Thompson V. George M. Thompson 1834 Baltimore

tomthompson53 — 2013-05-05 06:46:25Z

John W Thompson

Post Name:

McHenry, Fort

Post Location:

Maryland

Post Commander:

M M Payne

Military Place:

Fort McHenry, Baltimore, Maryland

Return Period:

Jan 1832

John W. Thompson, Ft. McHenry, 1832

tomthompson53 — 2013-05-05 06:38:51Z

Any one related to him?

John W Thompson

Post Name:

McHenry, Fort

Post Location:

Maryland

Post Commander:

M M Payne

Military Place:

Fort McHenry, Baltimore, Maryland

Return Period:

Jan 1832

Re: My Baltimore Families

bizgia — 2013-05-03 12:16:04Z

Hi Sherry
Thanks for the reply. The reason I was wondering if you hadn't communicated with Bill was before his surgery for Parkinson's, he turned over a lot of his research to the PG Genealogical Society some time ago. He also used to be President of that company.

Re: Baltimore's Polish Immigrants

jesso70 — 2013-05-03 02:07:18Z

I'm just getting on my paternal grandparents side, and specifically my G Grandmother. I was always told she was Polish. She lived in the Fells point area as a child, then in Locust Point with her Hubby. I know her female siblings all seemed to marry Polish named men, but her maiden name is Smith, and I'm having a heck of a time tracing it.
(Her parents were John and Mary Smith!)

That side of the family all attended St Patrick's though, along with my grandfather and his siblings. I didn't realize the archives had records..Thank you for the link :)

Re: My Baltimore Families

sherryv2 — 2013-05-02 22:39:49Z

Hi Rusty,
No I have only known you as Rusty, never knew your full name. It's not that I don't communicate with Bill, the issues were not between me and him but he defriended me on facebook so I assumed he was not talking to me. I would have thought he shared that with you. I was not aware he was ill. Sorry to hear that. I

Re: My Baltimore Families

bizgia — 2013-05-02 03:41:52Z

Yes Sherry, my given christian name is Kenneth F Hall, but am 'Rusty' to all who know me. I thought Bill's family knew that. Are you no longer communicating with Bill too? He's been quite ill.

Re: My Baltimore Families

sherryv2 — 2013-05-02 01:01:26Z

Thanks Rusty, I thought the post I replied to was someone named Ken. I started doing the geneaology again but started from scratch because I had given everything I had to Bill thinking I'd never do it again. I'm doing it thru ancestry this time, before I used to go downtown to Archives to get all my info. Amazing how much you can get online these days. HOpe you all are well.

Re: Locust Point: looking for info on my ancestors

jesso70 — 2013-05-02 01:00:13Z

Thank you SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much. These are the two I was looking for.

To answer some of the questions. The family was from Locust Point originally, and they did live there until at least 1940 census... But I was told last night that my Great Grandmother Evelyn moved to Fells Point, as did my grandfather and his family for a time The March 1st date I had was from the SSDI. for Julius.

As for Marie/Mary Nowalk..(Forgot to add the L last night) she would be Julius' mother, who was married to Julius Sr (Every body has the same name in this family!)

I have information about her starting in the 1900 Census, with reference that she came to America approx 1880-1882.

I also found their marriage certificate from the state which lists her name as Marie A.E Nowalk. (in clear handwriting)

I found a old Baltimore sun article from 1903 I think it was (I dropped my laptop last night, and broke it.. so I have to redig the link..argh!) but the article was about Julius Sr going to court because he was apparently in a fight with Marie/Mary/Marry (listed with different spellings in ever census) when her brother was in town to pay her a visit. He gets in the middle of the fight, and my GG Grandfather Julius Sr goes to court. In the article, which is fuzzy it looks like the man's name is Simon Nawrop and it says he was living in Woodstock Howard County. In the 1900 census I did find a Simon Nawrot (with a notion of
Newport in Howard Co District 3.. same approx age)
( I did copy the link to facebook, if you can read it..third story down)https://attachment.fbsbx.com/file_download.php?id=1237371011...

Although I wasn't really able to find anything more on that family

But then after Julius Sr died in 1907, in the 1920 census there is a Simon Nowak (Much more similar to Nowalk) living on the next street over, but his wife/children have totally different names!

It's just so frustrating!! :)

Re: My Baltimore Families

bizgia — 2013-05-01 14:56:26Z

Hi Sherry, This is Rusty, and I share this site with your cousin Bill, whom is doing the Bizgia research (and has uncovered much on your family, since they stopped communicating with him). My posting of 17 Jun 2011 was in reference to the 'Hall/Hallameyer/Sullivan family of Baltimore. To my knowledge, I have no connections to your family, except through Bill.

Re: Locust Point: looking for info on my ancestors

jesso70 — 2013-04-30 22:02:35Z

Before work I got the idea to drive up to the area (I have been wanting to explore Cedar Hill and see if I can find any more relatives near my grandparents...in which as soon as I saw Holy Cross remember going with my parents as a child to visit Evelyn. Unfortunately at that point I was soaking wet, and late for work.. but I'll have to make a point to get back up there soon.

Thank you so much again!

Re: Locust Point: looking for info on my ancestors

jsiemon — 2013-04-30 16:42:47Z

I looked at your Cedar Hill posts again. You were looking for Julius Brown, whom you said died 1 Mar 1950. I found the attached death notice for Julius. He's buried with Evelyn at Holy Cross Cemetery in Brooklyn Park. The notice was in the Baltimore Sun on 29 Mar 1950. It says he died on 26 March.

Holy Cross Cemetery is owned/maintained by Holy Cross RC church on West Street in South Baltimore (not far from Locust Point). It is very predominantly German. Since Evelyn and Julius were both buried in that cemetery, you should check the church records closely for them and other relatives. The Maryland State Archives has most of them available online. They are very large pdf files that you can download. I looked for Evelyn's baptism in the index covering 1905. There were a number of variations of Schmidt children. No Evelyn in the index, but she might have been Anna Evelyn or something similar. You can find the Holy Cross records at
http://speccol.mdarchives.state.md.us/msa/speccol/catalog/cf...
John

Re: Locust Point: looking for info on my ancestors

jsiemon — 2013-04-30 05:14:09Z

Please read the attached death notice for Evelyn Brown (nee Smith), wife of the late Julius Brown. This was in the Baltimore Sun on 29 Dec 1980. Is she the one you are looking for? If so, this should answer a lot of your questions and give you clues to further research. You should get her death certificate from the State Archives. Note that several of her siblings are listed, which should help trace her in earlier censuses, and maybe their parents.

I have a copy of the 1956 Baltimore City Directory. It lists:
Brown, Evelyn S. (widow Julius) h 703 Van Lill st
That address and St. Patrick's Church are in Fells Point, not Locust Point. You can see a picture of the house today on Google maps.

A couple suggestions to get more help: If you provide more details, someone might help you find info on the Nowak woman. (We don't know your Grandfather, when he was born, where they lived, who Marie was married to, or whether you have found them in any census.) I suspect you know some of those answers, and they might make it easier to find her. I also recommend you put her name in the subject. (not Locust Point: looking for my ancestors) I only suspected Evelyn was Julius' wife from searching for your other posts. Don't make your helpers work so hard and you'll get more help. Good luck. Post again if you have questions, but try to be more specific.

John

Locust Point: looking for info on my ancestors

jesso70 — 2013-04-30 02:50:03Z

Braun/Brown family.

I'm having the hardest time trying to find info on my GGGrandmother (Mary?) Evelyn Smith (born approx 1905)
She died in the mid to late 70's, but I still can't find any info on her, including where she's buried/obits, etc (rest of the family is in Cedar Hill) and also looking for my Grandfather's mother Marie/Mary/Marry A. E Nowak(?)

I have spent so much time reading and researching everything I can about the area that I swear I'm inspired to write a book about Locust Point, hoping to find some clues to my ancestors.

Anyone who may know anything , or may be interested in the book I think I was destined to write.. please respond to the thread, or email jesso@atlanticbb,net