Thanks. Somehow I had overlooked this from you. This is very weird. Father was Raymond. Mother was Gertrude UNA, not Van Howie. I feel that this family has been the victim of the dreaded transcribers. I have seen both Ray Sr and Ray Jr listed as females in various city directories in Ca and Hi. I also feel that Gertrude was born in May 10 1900. Doesn't matter. No records for that date except for a Woods in Oregon but her death data is very scarce.