Paul,I have just read this post,it is eight years later,sorry about the time differce! grandpa woulda have been retired or left be hind because of !age,He coulda passed on which I think is the case! Thank you for the italian info,I am not much of a typer but I appreciate any thing you can give me on the marcantels! I am grateful,i wasnt a eye witness to horribel thing,It was bad enough that I cut the tv on just in to see the second hit!It was a week later before i discovered that it wasnt a replay! when the last two space shuttles went down ,I could see the trail or plume from my house.On feb 1 my birthday I set for thirty menutes watching the shuttle come down on tv when I realized could see it better from my front yard here in western la,oakdale to be exact. bye for now paul I hope we are still sharing history together Cousin!