Anyone have any information on a Martin or Van Turner born about 1845 in Kentucky, married to a Jane Bryant. Would have come out of the Herald/ Turner lines. Parents possibly from Tennesse. Daughter Polly married Will Deaton or Shack Deaton as he was known. Will's mother was a Turner. His grandmother a Herald

KEITH,
I BELIEVE YOU AND I ARE LOOKING FOR THE SAME PEOPLE. MY COUSIN TOLD ME THAT I SHOULD BE LOOKING FOR A JACOB TURNER, NICKNAME, JAKE AND JANE HERALD.MY GRANDMOTHER WAS MILLY TURNER MARRIED TO FELIX TURNER, SON OF SAMUEL TURNER ,NICKNAME HIDGE. MILLY HAD A SISTER NAMED POLLY, AND BELLE, AND RACHEL, WHO WAS MARRIED TO A COUCH. I WAS TOLD THAT JACOB AND JANE WERE FULL-BLOODED INDIAN. IF THIS HELPS, LET ME KNOW. BERNICE

Bernice:

I am so glad you contacted me. Are you familiar with the Martin Van Turner and Jane Bryant I am talking about. I hope so. I have searched for years trying to find them. They appear out of the blue in the Breathitt Census in 1880 which is odd, because their daughter Polly was born in Breathitt. I know the couple had eleven children living, and one deceased. I know they had a Sam. My mothers grandmother used to mention him. I don't know a whole lot about Sam, I do know he had a son named Martin.
I am familiar with the Jacob you are referring to. Do you think he is Martin Van Turner's father? The ancestry service didn't notify me about you post. I would have gotten back to you sooner. I have 9 out of the eleven of Martin and Jane's children. Not sure who the other two were. I find bits and pieces of information here and there. I also have a Jane Herald in my family. She was married to Thomas Turner. They came from Tennesse. But no Martin Turner ever appeared in those lines. I thought with the amounts of Herald and Turners in my tree finding them would be a snap. Not the case. William Deaton and Polly Turners daughter Maggie Deaton married Curly Sam Turner. I think he crosses into your line. Please get back to me. I look forward to hearing from you.

T.D.Keith

I made a typo. I am not familiar with the Jacob you are referring to. Tried to correct it but it was already posted. Sorry

Thanks for the information. I searched out the Jane Heralds and the only one that would meet the criteria to be Martin Van Turner's mother is the Jane Herald married to Thomas Turner. I have always suspected that he was their son and a brother to Samuel Hige Turner. I know he doesn't appear in a census with them but that doesn't mean anything. By the time the 1860 census came out he was already 16 years old and may not have been at home. He could have been omitted in a transcription. My mother said the Breathitt Court House burnt and so did many of the records. Families tended to name their children after their parents and siblings. Martin's children were named after many of Thomas and Jane Turners children. Not to mention Martin had a Thomas as well. The children of Martin and Jane I have are Polly 1870 (my grandmother),James 1875, Bud Harrison, married to Lizzie Vires, 1877-1952, Manerva 1880, Lindon B. 1885, Sarah 1887, Mahala 1889, Samuel, married to Mary Alice Mcintosh, 1883; plus they had a son named Thomas, I don't know when he was born, but his son was Martin Turner as well and he lived with Van and Jane until 1920. He was born in 1905 and married Sally Turner d/o James Turner and Polly Mays.
Sam Turner and Mary Alice Mcintosh had a Martin Turner as well. As for Jane, Martin's wife. I have to believe she was Jane Bryant. We have to many Jane Heralds popping up. I can't find any outside of Jane Herald married to Thomas Turner that would fit the criteria to be Van's wife. Thanks for you time.

I don't know if this will help at all, but Samuel Hige/Hidge Turner also married a Mahalia Angel, who was the mother of my great grandfather Robert Turner. Robert married Ella Watts, my great grandmother, and then, of course, my grandmother, Mahalia Marie Turner, came from those two. I have Sam H's Mom and Dad as Alezelen J Herald and Thomas Turner, respectively. It could be that Mahalia was a second wife, because she was around 20 years younger than Sam H.

I'm just getting started on Alezelen Herald's line, though, so if you have info on her parents or anything, I'd love for you to share!

Peace,
Alan

I have tons of info on Alezelen Jane Herald and Tom Turner both. Samuel did have a second wife Mahala, also known as Hallie. If you are interested in the info on the Herald-Turner lines let me know. Have you ever heard of a Martin Van Turner,also known simply as Van Turner or Jane Bryant? I have spent years looking for them. These lines tended to marry back and forth. I have always believed Martin was a brother to Samuel Hige Turner. Samuel Hige Turner's son Felix had a son named Curly Sam Turner. He married Van and Jane's daughter Pollie Ann Turner-Deaton's daughter Maggie. Confused? Pollie Ann Turner-Deaton's husband was William Deaton. William's mother was Mary Polly Turner, daughter of Thomas Turner and Jane Herald, she married John Peyton Deaton. As it was suggested by Bernice to look for a Jakob Turner and Jane Herald. There was no Jakob Turner married to a Jane Herald in that time frame. Nor a Jakob Turner who had a son Martin. The only one I can find was born and died in Washington County Kentucky. The only Jane Herald that could have been Van's mother would have been Thomas Turner's wife. That would make Thomas Turner his father. Van and Jane's children were born in Guerrant, which I understand to be around Highland in Breathitt County, although they do not show up in a census until 1900.

Yes, Samuel Turner and Mahalia/Hallie Angel was the line from which Sam H Turner and his son Robert sprang. Robert was my great grandfather, married to Ella Watts. My grandmother, Mahalia Marie, was named after Mahala/Mahalia/Hallie. Although I did NOT know that Mahala/Mahalia/Hallie was a second wife. I'd love any info you can give me on Alezelen J and Thomas Turner.

I have Felix as having Samuel Curly, but I have Samuel Curly marrying an Alice Richardson, their daughter being Ada Turner. It could be wrong, though, as I've not done a lot of research on their branch of the tree.

I honestly, though, have never heard of a Martin Van Turner from any of my family.

If you want, you can email me off the board at alanfuller@insightbb.com

I tried e-mailing the info, but the e-mail bounced. I'll start with Tom Turners family. He was born about 1810 Tennesse. He married Jane Herald who was b. about 1812 and died before 1880. Thomas Turner's parents were Jesse Turner b. 1783 North Carolina and d. 1850 Breathitt County Kentucky and Sarah Sally "Lie" Herald b. 1784 North Carolina. They had the following children;
1. James "Shifty" Turner b. 1804 Tennesse; he married Sarah
Jane "Jennie" Mays b. 1812 North Carolina-d.1880
AA. Mary "Polly" Turner 1833 Breathitt Kentucky
BB. Sally "Sary" Turner 1835 Breathitt Kentucky
CC. Elizabeth "Betsy" Turner 1836 Breahtitt Kentucky-
D. 1914
DD. David Turner 1838 Breathitt Kentucky
EE. Jesse Turner 1842 Breathitt Kentucky
FF. Catherine Turner 1843 Breathitt Kentucky
GG. Nancy Turner 1846 Breathitt Kentucky-d.1894 Breathitt
Kentucky
2. Susannah Turner 1806 Tennesse; married Edward Turner
b.1804 North Carolina-d. 1850 Breathitt, s/o Edward
Turner 1761 North Carolina and Louvicey Kelly 1764; d.
1894 Breathitt Kentucky
AA. Mary Polly Turner 1828 Perry Kentucky
BB. Edward P Turner 1832 Clay Kentucky
CC. Jesse P Turner 1833 Breahtitt Kentucky
DD. Lewis Turner 1838 Breathitt Kentucky
EE. Louisa Turner 1839 Breathitt Kentucky
FF. Preston Turner 1842 Breathitt Kentucky
GG. Sarah Turner 1844 Breathitt Kentucky
HH. Elizabeth Turner 1847 Breathitt Kentucky
II. John Peyton Turner 1841 Breathitt Kentucky
3. Thomas Turner 1810 Tennesse; married Jane Herald 1812
North Carolina, d/o Alexander Herald and Elizabeth
Turner.
4. Elizabeth Turner 1815 Tennesse; married Thomas Herald,
married Samuel Turner.
AA. Felix Herald 1831 Perry Kentucky
BB.Roger Herald 1833 Perry Kentucky
CC. Jesse Herald 1835 Perry Kentucky
DD. Alexander Herald 1837 Breathitt Kentucky-1904
EE. Sarah Herald 1850 Kentucky
FF. Thomas Herald 1843 Kentucky
GG. Elizabeth Herald 1846 Kentucky
HH. Nancy Herald 1848 Kentucky
II. America Herald 1850 Kentucky
JJ. Gemima Turner 1853 Breathitt Kentucky
5. Samuel turner 1815 Tennnesse; married Sarah Herald b.1822
North Carolina, d/o Alexander Herald and Elizabeth
Turner; d. 1866 Breathitt Kentucky
AA. Elizabeth Turner 1835 Perry Kentucky -1920
BB. Mary Turner 1840 Breathitt Kentucky-1927
CC. Agnes Turner 1841 Breathitt Kentucky-1880
DD. Roger Turner 1845 Breahtitt Kentucky-1910
EE. Samuel Turner 1850 Breathitt Kentucky
FF. Lucinda Turner 1850 Breathitt Kentucky
GG. America Turner 1851 Breathitt Kentucky- 1929
HH. Louis Turner 1857 Breahitt Kentucky-1932
II. Talbert Turner 1862 Breathitt Kentucky-1921
JJ. James Turner 1857 Breahtitt Kentucky-1946
KK. Jane "Jennie" Turner 1836 Perry Kentucky-1877
LL. John Turner 1852 Breahtitt-1936
6. Roger Turner 1831 Clay County Kentucky; married Nancy
Turner; d. 1880
AA. Elizabeth Turner 1857
BB. William Turner 1860
CC. Hampton Turner 1855
DD. Emily Turner 1853
EE. Jesse Brownlow Turner 1864-1946
FF. Aggie Turner 1866-1932
GG. Samuel Turner 1850
&. Terrence "Larkin" Turner 1830 Tennesse; married Mary
"Polly" Turner b.1825 North Carolina, d/o Alexander
Herald and Elizabeth Turner.
AA. Samuel "Hige" Turner 1842 Breathitt Kentucky
BB. Charlotte Turner 1843 Breathitt Kentucky
CC. Elizabeth Turner 1843 Breathitt Kentucky
DD. Sally Turner 1845 Breathitt Kentucky
EE. Sylvanie Turner 1845 Breathitt Kentucky
FF. William Buchanan Turner 1846 Breathitt Kentucky
GG.Jane Turner 1848 Breathitt Kentucky
HH. Sabrina Turner 1850 Breathitt Kentucky
II. Sarah Turner 1854 Breathitt Kentucky
JJ. Alexander Turner 1856 Breahtitt Kentucky-1856
KK. Emily Turner 1857 Breathitt Kentucky

Terrence Larkin Line Continued:
LL. Polly Turner 1858 Breathitt Kentucky
MM. Mahala Turner 1859 Breathitt Kentucky
NN. John Turner 1865 Breathitt Kentucky-1927
OO. Irvine Turner 1865 Breathitt Kentucky-1942
PP. Willliam Turner 1860 Breathitt Kentucky

Jesse Turner's parents were Roger Turner and Sarah Speed.
Roger Turner was born 1757 North Carolina and died 1845 Breathitt Kentucky. Sarah Speen was born about 1762 and died before 1833. They had the following children:
1. Edward turner b. 1781 North Carolina
m. Sarah Buttery
d. 1850 Breathitt County Kentucky
2.Jesse Turner b.1783 North Carolina
m. Sarah Herald
d.1850 Breathitt County Kentucky
3. Jane Turner b. 1784 North Carolina
m. Samuel Spicer 1784 North Carolina
4.Thomas "Turkey" Turner b.1790 North Carolina
m. Nancy Buttery
m. Delitha Simpkins
5.Elizabeth Turner b.1794 North Carolina
m. Alexander Herald
6.Roger Turner Jr. b.1795 North Carolina
m. Ellen Sebastian
m. Easter Barrett
d. 1860 Breathitt Kentucky
7. Sarah Sally Turner b.1796 North Carolina
m. John Sebastian
8.David Turner b.1797 North Carolina
m. Sarah Jackson
The parents of Roger Turner were Thomas Turner and Mary Lindsey. Thomas Turner was born 1725 Pennsylvania and died 1806. Mary Lindsey was born 1742 Pennsylvania and died 1768 North Carolina. Thomas then married Charity Swaim.
Thomas and Mary had the following children:
1. Roger Turner b. 1757 North Carolina
2. Edward Turner b. 1761 North Carolina, married Louvisa
Kelley
3. Abraham Turner b. 1763 North Carolin
. Sarah Black
4. Jane Turner b. 1764 North Carolina
m. Reubin Robbins
5. John Turner b. 1759 North Carolina
m. Sarah Kimbrough
Children of Thomas Turner and Charity Swaim
6. Thomas Turner b. 1769 North Carolina
M. Polly Bateman
7. Robert Andrew Turner b. North Carolina
d. 1795