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james j paolvick died april 24,2000 in waterloo,ill

mildredmerle — 2013-05-19 00:36:15Z

did james palovick have a obit,,i have tried to find his marriage to a Sylvia,her maiden name was Houston,first marriage was to a O'Connell,don't know when she married james or what last name ,she used to marry james,searching for info and a picture if there is one,i have so little to go on

Zimmerman in Monroe County c. 1855

s_holsan — 2013-04-25 01:18:30Z

Trying to locate any info about my great-great grandmother Anna Zimmerman b. Ger. 1819. Married Conrad Baer in Monroe County in 1856. They had Sophia (mar. Friedrich Ahrens), Jacob, and Andre (mar. Sophia Rall). Andrew and Sophia (my connection) moved to neighboring Randolph County.

If anyone has info on the Zimmerman family, I would be most interested in hearing from you. My email is zuzu93@nebnet.net

Re: Lewis Barker, late 1830s/Dec 1840

immisty038 — 2013-04-18 20:02:53Z

I wouldn't know about earlier, as it seems must people FIRST went to MONROE or ST.CLAIR CO. before they went anywhere else, but depending on the areas situation it's completely possible. I know BARKER came with some other folks from LINCOLN CO. MAINE around 1820 and settled and married in both of above named named counties. One of my CARR family women married a NELSON BARKER in around 1830 or 1840 and moved to JACKSON CO, in a town with a womens name. Some of them moved further south and east, and where in counties surrounding and containing CAVE-IN- ROCK where they owned ferries and where like in-land pirates. They would take people down the OHIO RIVER and down the FALLS. They would kill them and take there personal items they brought with them THIS WAS A HUGE PROBLEM AT THE TIME.
They would even drown they kids.
My best friends maiden name was BARKER and her father was
born in ALEXANDER CO. IL, 1920, at the southwest of the state. Later his father moved up to RICHLAND CO. IL, where he died around 1960's.
GOOD HUNTING!

Re: Lewis Barker, late 1830s/Dec 1840

PatButler943 — 2013-04-14 00:16:13Z

I'm working on genealogy research my father started some years ago and am looking for documents that show:
James C. Perkins is son of Issac Perkins and Jane Barker;
Marriage record or some other document that shows Isaac and Jane were married;
Document that shows Jane Barker is daughter of Lewis Barker.

James C. Perkins, my gg grandfather, would have been 2-3 months old when Isaac Perkins was killed in 1832.

In the 1850 Tazewell County census, James C. Perkins (age 18) is listed in the Thomas & Sybil (Perkins) McKasson household, along with Jane Perkins (age 53.)

James married Mary J. McKaine (or McCain) in Tazewell. Their daughter, Harriet Jane "Hattie" was my gg grandmother.

I've found the Isaac Perkins probate records in 1832 & 1834, but they do not list family members (other than his bbrother Elisha filed them and was administrator).

Thanks for any help.

Re: African Americans in Monroe county

poemblaze1 — 2013-04-12 18:43:44Z

The photo was in a book by Fr. Willam B. Faherty: a coffee table book history of St. Louis. I am not 100% of the exact title. He wrote several books about the area but this one was published around 1980.

Re: African Americans in Monroe county

dolinar178 — 2013-04-12 18:17:54Z

Than you for the anecdote. That is very helpful. Would you now where I might be able to find this picture?

Re: African Americans in Monroe county

poemblaze1 — 2013-04-12 17:52:16Z

About 25 years ago I showed my great uncle born in 1895 who lived his entire life in Monroe County a pictorial history of the St. Louis area. There was a photo of a lynching. He paused and said something to the effect that "there used to be a lot of that." He also mentioned meeting a black man in Red Bud who claimed to have not eaten in three days. My great uncle said he would have given the man food if he'd arrived at the farm, but in town he didn't dare provide him food. The most he felt he could do was tell the man there were Black people who lived in Sparta, IL. I don't know when the incident occurred My best guess is during the Great Depression. The town of Red Bud is just over the Monroe County line in Randolph County, but has much Monroe County business. Perhaps these anecdotes might help shed some light on the situation.

Re: African Americans in Monroe county

dolinar178 — 2013-04-12 01:14:27Z

Thank you for the information. I have read through that page, and it was interesting.

The reason I am interested in the history after 1890 is because that is the year, in the census, when the Black population throughout the county began declining dramatically, to only 3 in 1930. I don't quite know why that is. I have heard some theories, but was wondering if anyone else knew anything.

Re: African Americans in Monroe county

sciman — 2013-04-11 20:37:18Z

Please see http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ilmcghs/black_history/blac...
for some possible starters. Wish you could extend your timeline back a bit. This was a French area with diverse population before other settlers, many of them Germans (Swiss, really) arrived. Slavery at one point was controversial, and there were slave holders in the area, though also liberationists and those who fought hard against slavery. I don't know much about it, though I believe that this was among areas where there was strong support for 'underground railroads' before the 1890 marker of your time consideration.

African Americans in Monroe county

dolinar178 — 2013-04-11 20:17:57Z

I am a student at the University of Illinois doing some research on African Americans in Monroe County. My project is particularly looking at how many towns and counties in Illinois have remained all white. I was wondering if anyone out there doing research in Monroe County has come across any interesting stories about African Americans in the county (or particular towns in the county) post-1890.

Re: Mary M. Clark 1813 - after 1880; married William C. Moore

jhuetsch — 2013-03-25 18:24:49Z

I have Mary's obituary listing her parents. I will mail it to you if you give me your contact information please.
Mary Huetsch
102 Polo Run
Waterloo, IL 62298
jhuetsch@aol.com

Re: Mary M. Clark 1813 - after 1880; married William C. Moore

thomasker2 — 2013-03-24 14:54:53Z

I’m not related to any member of this family.

This is your problem -

Facts you should know about the early census records –

All census records [1790 – 1840] prior to the 1850 census ONLY listed the head of household; whether male or female.

NO specific age was stated for any family member
NO place of birth was stated – city, state, or country
NO city, town, or village is stated – only the county; however some census takers listed the township
NO street address was stated
NO marital status was stated – single, married, widowed, or divorced
NO family relationship was stated – brother, sister, cousin, son, daughter, wife, inlaw, etc…
NO occupation was stated
NO parental birthplaces are stated
NO race was stated [but assume “white”]

1850, 1860 & 1870 census records do not show family relationships, marital status or parental birthplaces.

Step children are not enumerated as “step” children
Adopted children are not enumerated as “adopted”
Grand children are not enumerated as “grand children”
Orphaned children were not enumerated as "orphan"

1850 is the 1st census that shows all family members

1880 is the 1st census that shows parental birthplaces and family relationships +++

ILL Vital records -
Birth and death registration started in 1916.

Thank you,

Dan Pippin
Illinois Department of Public Health
Division of Vital Records

Peter Gerhardt, b. 1832

A_432 — 2013-03-23 19:06:30Z

I found Peter Gerhardt b. 1832, wife Catherine, children Catherine, John, Charles, and Margaret on the 1860 Waterloo Census. I'd like to know if this Peter is related to George N. Gerhardt, first husband of Justina Kaemper. Peter b. 1832 was living next door to my great grandfather, Frederick Meyer (who later married the daughter of George N Gerhardt) on the same 1860 census on page 105, so I'm thinking chances are good. I'd appreciate any help. And thanks again to my 3rd cousin's wife who found my Gerhardt first cousin's photo at a garage sale!

Apperson, Helen Alice 1927 and Alice - 1933

colleyville — 2013-02-28 03:40:12Z

Helen Alice TUCK Apperson born 29 Sep 1855 Ava Il died 2 Jan 1927 Waterloo, Il - buried Waterloo, Il

and her daughter

Ms Alice Apperson died 4 June 1933 in St Louis, MO - buried Waterloo, Illinois.

Would like to know name of Cemetery where these two are buried.

Thanks.

Re: Robert Kidd, Rev. War veteran and early settler of Monroe Co., IL

radcrk — 2013-02-26 04:16:28Z

Thank you very much for posting those citations regarding this Robert Kidd from the Combined History of Randolph, Monroe and Perry Counties.
That was very generous of you.

Now if we could just find a male descendant of his to participate in the KIDD Y-DNA study!

Re: Robert Kidd, Rev. War veteran and early settler of Monroe Co., IL

lestero — 2013-02-11 22:29:09Z

From Combine History of Randolph, Monroe & Perry Cos
Year 1883

Page 79
The first American colony to settle within the territory
now comprised in the county, arrived in the year 1782, and
was composed of James Moore, Shadrach Bond, Robert
Kidd, Larken Rutherford and James Garretson. Their
wives and children accompanied them, and they came to
make a permanent settlement. Crossing the Allegheny
mountains, they floated down the Ohio to its mouth, and
then propelled their craft against the strong current of the
Mississippi till they reached Kaskaskia some time in the
autumn of the year 1781. From this place the country was
explored in different directions, and all of the party fixed
on locations now in Monroe county, as the most eligible
place for settlement. The French inhabitants had clung
close to two or three villages, and had made little progress
toward clearing the wilderness, or extending their settlements over any considerable territory. These Marylanders and
Virginians adopted a different policy. With the true Saxon
instinct of ownership of his own homestead and lordship
over his own acres, each immigrant selected a location where he would be likely to experience little trouble from neighbors and remain master of his own domain. The hill trace between the French villages of Kaskaskia and Cahokia and St. Louis passed near a beautiful spring, a high, healthy ground, to which the French had applied the name of Bellefonlaine. Here Moore, Garretson and Rutherford determined to make their settlement. The rich soil of the Mississippi bottom attracted the attention of other members of the colony, and there Kidd and Bond made their homes.
Kidd clung closest to the French villages, and settled at a
distance of but a few miles from Prairie du Rocher. Bond
chose a location farther north. These settlements were made in the spring of the year 1782.

Page 80
Robert Kidd had been one of the soldiers in George Roger Clark's expedition to Illinois in 1778, and had taken part in the capture of Fort Gage. He made a quiet and unpretentious citizen of the great commonwealth of which he was one of the founders, and died at his home in the American Bottom in the southern part of the county in 1849. Kidd lake, near the head of which he settled, hears his name.
Pg 417
AMERICAS SETTLEMENTS.
In this part of the country was made one of the first
American settlements in Illinois by Robert Kidd. He had
been a soldier under Colonel George Rogers Clark, and had
taken part in the capture of Kaskaskia. He returned to
Illinois in 1781, in company with four others, with the intention
of permanently settling in the country. His companions
chose locations near the present town of Waterloo,
and in the bottom in what is now Moredock precinct, while
Kidd settled in the bottom above Fort Chartres. His home
was under the bluff", at the head of Kidd lake. He died in 1849 at an age upwards of eighty years. The old house in
which he is said to have lived, is still standing on survey
939, His farm is a part of the estate of Jacob Fults. He
was a good citizen, quiet and domestic in his ways, and raised a family of children among whom were two sons, John and Samuel Kidd. Some of his descendants still reside in the country.

Mary M. Clark 1813 - after 1880; married William C. Moore

dbarngrover11 — 2012-12-28 19:29:10Z

I am interested in finding the parents of Mary M. Clark, probably born in Illinois. She married William C. Moore on 28 Aug 1837 in Monroe Co., IL.

Enoch C Moore 1787 to 185?, William C Moore 1814-1890

dbarngrover11 — 2012-12-28 19:27:28Z

I am seeking information on these two gentlemen, mainly to determine if Enoch is the father of William and any other relatives. Enoch probably died in Waterloo, but William moved to Brighton in Macoupin County by 1860.

Re: Levi and Mary (Slone) Sloan

jatthepark — 2012-10-21 22:42:30Z

Jim sent an email to you did u receive it?

Re: Levi and Mary (Slone) Sloan

Jimanix3 — 2012-10-19 17:38:30Z

Jeanne,yes on James and Ellen (Sloan) Allen ,sent a reply on 10-18 and didn't know if you received it.They were my greatgrandfather and greatgrandmother.Please contact me and have further info

Jim Allen
Jimanix3@aol.com

Re: Levi and Mary (Slone) Sloan

jatthepark — 2012-10-18 17:57:41Z

Jim (?) My first time answering a post.Are you related to the neighbors James and Ellen? I am. I am looking for any information you may have on James father, John and wife Winyford. Census states he was born in Tennessee. She was born in Georgia. Thanks for your time, I have hit my "brick wall" here.Jeanne

Re: Dierks, Niemann, Edler

thomasker2 — 2012-09-22 21:15:40Z

I’m not related to any member of this family.

1940 is the last available census at this time.

TRY - Find a grave – FREE SITE - volunteer site all states; frequently has headstone pic
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http://www.worldvitalrecords.com/

Try Vital Records – Birth, Marriage, & Death, Social Security Info. – FREE ALL STATES
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http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/archives/datab...

ILL Vital Records -
. Birth and death registration started in 1916.

Dan Pippin
Illinois Department of Public Health
Division of Vital Records

Re: Is there trouble with the links in the search results

memdmp — 2012-09-21 00:11:53Z

Thanks for replying. I was talking about the Monroe County Genweb site. Sorry for the confusion.

Re: Is there trouble with the links in the search results

seddens1 — 2012-09-20 23:59:09Z

When I hit reply to this question, this came up o.k? However, if you try to get to this message board any other way, there does seem to be a problem.

Is there trouble with the links in the search results

memdmp — 2012-09-20 23:22:06Z

Is the website having trouble? Everytime I click on a link in the result page a message, "Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage. Thanks

Re: Sylvester Haynes

Katrina935 — 2012-09-19 21:21:29Z

Thanks!

Re: Sylvester Haynes

seddens1 — 2012-09-19 16:42:37Z

Because some of them were Sylvester Haynes children, and some of them were the children of his second wife, Davis, and two of them were probably the children of this second marriage, so there are younger children also names Haynes. If you are asking a general question, many women died young and the husbands remarried. Sometimes the second wife also had children. Families also took in nieces and nephews into their households because those childrens parents died. Life was very difficult in the 1850s and beyond.

Re: Sylvester Haynes

Katrina935 — 2012-09-19 16:20:10Z

Why do the childrens last names vary in the 1850 U.S. Federal Census?

Katrina

Re: Sylvester Haynes

KerryPatrick13 — 2012-09-19 02:08:25Z

IL Marriages, 1790-1860: Sylvester Haynes m. Nancy Davis 30 June 1840, Monroe Co IL. Children's names are variously Haynes or Davis.

Dierks, Niemann, Edler

bryonns — 2012-09-19 00:39:39Z

Maria Dierks b. c 1842 Kirchboitzen, Hannover marr. 1st c 1874 Frederic Heinrich Niemann d. 30Jan1883 Harrisonville,Monroe, IL. Maria marr. 2d 9Jun1885 Deer Hill to Gottfried Edler (1835-1902). Trying to locate death/burial date & place for Maria.

Sylvester Haynes

Katrina935 — 2012-09-18 22:46:20Z

Hi there,
Could somebody please help me make sense of why the children of Sylvester Haynes, 63 years old and born in Massachusetts, have different last names in the 1850 U.S. Federal Census for this county?

Katrina

Re: MARY CAROLINE BISWELL/JOHN JOSEPH HIRSCH

amtcarol — 2012-09-17 21:26:09Z

I am also trying to find info about Mary Caroline Biswell and John Joseph Hirsch.
My grandmother was their daughter Susanna Hirsch Abernathy. I would appreciate any info you could share with me.
Thanks
Carol Ace

Re: Dietzel

valerie1950kohlmeyer — 2012-08-28 12:06:57Z

Wilhelmine "Minnie" married Louis Vaudt.

I am in contact with her great great grand-daughter and they do not have any information on Christine either.

I think that Mina belongs to Charles and Ida Gastche who are also past generation relatives.

Re: Dietzel

bethrau1 — 2012-08-25 06:49:49Z

Good luck with further research. You are lucky because Monroe County, IL, has a large number of volunteers and resources available to you!

I am confident that you will fill in some holes in your family tree once you contact Monroe County volunteers, cemetery and perhaps courthouse records.

Beth

Re: Dietzel

valerie1950kohlmeyer — 2012-08-25 06:06:08Z

Thank you for all the time and energy you put into this!! I will definitely contact the people you gave me.

I was in contact with an Nth degree relative, and she said that the story they always heard was that Christine lost her mind and ended up being institutionalized. So that may be why she is gone from any records.

And she also told me that Christine is the one who married Christoph Dietzel, not Charlotte, but I need to do some more checking on that, as we were always told it was Charlotte who got married again!!

Anyway, Thank you so much!
Val

Re: Dietzel

bethrau1 — 2012-08-24 17:58:38Z

Christine definitely lived at least until the time of the 1870 census enumeration, remaining at the same location and being recorded on the farm census in 1870.

I have given you the link to Monroe County volunteers and I hope you contact them. Looking at the amount of vital statistics records they have, I believe they will be able to determine when Christine died and perhaps where she is buried.

I also gave you information on who to contact for a copy of the will / estate of a Carl KAHRE who died in 1857. This is most likely Christine's husband, listed as Charles in the 1850 Monroe County census. Request a copy of his estate, and you will most likely receive names of his next-of-kin and be able to determine whether this is indeed "your" Carl KAHRE.

These volunteers and / or historical / genealogy societies will be able to help you solve some of the loose ends in your family.

If all else fails, ask them how you can access microfilmed old newspapers from the time and location where Christine lived in the 1870 census. You can probably send for these microfilms through interlibrary loan, ordered by your local librarian, and read through them at your library. Most state libraries or state historical societies have these newspapers available to loan for a very small shipping fee.

I know you live in a small town in SD, so you may need to travel to perhaps Yankton or Pierre to go to a Mormon / LDS family history center. I have used our local one, and they were very helpful in sending for vital record microfilms for me to search through in their History Center. They charge a small amount, I think about $2.50 per reel.

I didn't find any mention of Carl or Christine in the many online newspaper archives.

Beth
not related

Re: Dietzel

bethrau1 — 2012-08-23 19:38:35Z

This is what I have found so far. I think you will need to find lookup volunteers to rule in or rule out some of the information.

1850 IL Monroe Co. New Design

KAHRA [sic] Charles 34, male, farmer, Germany
--- Christina – 38 female, Germany
--- Christina – 14 Germany
--- Charles – 11 Germany
--- Louisa – 9 Germany
--- Wilhemenia – 7 Germany
--- Henry – 6 IL
--- Caroline – 1 IL

1860 IL Monroe Co. Township 3S Range 10 W

KAHRE Christine – 48 Prussia
--- Chas – 21 Prussia
--- Louise – 19 Prussia
--- Mina – 17 Prussia
--- Henry – 14 Prussia
--- Carl – 11 (female) IL
--- Mary [might say Marg] – 6 IL

Using names, birth dates and places, I feel confident this is "your" Christina / Christine:

1870 IL Monroe Co. Township 3 Range 10

KAHRE Christina – 58 Prussia
--- Margaret 16 – IL
--- Henry 24 – IL
--- Margaret – 18 IL
--- Maria -- 3/12 months – IL

Next door:

KAHRE Charles 30 – IL
--- Ida 24 – Saxony
--- Mina 6 – IL

1880 : I don’t find Christina / Christine living on her own or with family members. Have you checked all married daughters in 1880 for their mother living with them?

The following appears to be death information for Christine Wilhelmine Erftmeier’s husband. You have two names and birth dates for him.

Holy Cross Lutheran Church of Wartburg, Monroe Co., IL
1840 – 1970 Database from microfilm
Records from 1855-1866 are missing.
This church is still active, located near Waterloo, Monroe Co., IL

KAHRE, Carl Heinrich Wilhelm, Sr. 7 Sep 1805 Lehrbeck near Minden <1866 Monroe County, IL Unk Germany? Unk Unknown ERFTMEIER, Christine Wilhelmine Unk B(kids) -

If you contact this cemetery, they might be able to check the old sexton records to see who paid for the initial burial and for the upkeep on the tombstone. I discovered a ‘new’ family member in this way for one of my own ancestors.

Here is an interesting obituary for a Mrs. Charlotte KAHRE. It states her maiden name was Noelting and married a William Arftmeier! I found this on the volunteer-run Cass County, Nebraska genweb site:

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~necass/index.html#selectio...

Dr. Gilmore's Files.
OBITUARY OF MRS. CHARLOTTE KAHRE

Born October 5, 1847, in Germany. Died at 11:23 p.m. Sunday, Oct. 28, 1906, at her home in Union, Neb. Deceased was the wife of Charles Kahre, and they had resided in this vicinity since last February. Her health began failing eight months ago, and soon afterward it became evident that her ailment was cancer of the stomach. Although she was aware that the disease had gotten beyond control of medical skill, she was a patient sufferer and calmly awaited the summons, and when it came it found her prepared to meet her Maker. The remains were taken to Omaha on the Monday evening train, funeral services being held in that city Tuesday.
Deceased had limited acquaintance in this neighborhood, owing to the fact that since they moved here she has been confined to the house most of the time, but those who knew her speak in praise of her kind and benevolent disposition and model life while among them. Her maiden name was Charlotte Noelting, and after the death of her mother in Germany her father brought her to this country in 1861 and settled in Monroe county, Ill., where she was married to William Arftmeir, whose death occurred in that county. Of this union there are two surviving children, Charles Arftmeir and Mrs. Tena Grant, both residing in Omaha. Her second marriage was to Charles Kahre, on Dec. 17, 1875, in Illinois. In 1886 they located in Omaha, coming to this neighborhood last February. They were parents of three children, Mrs. Lizzie Shill of Springfield, Mo, Edward Kahre of Omaha, and William Kahre who was at home with his parents near here

This family with all their names is SO confusing!!

Monroe County Genealogical Society
P.O. Box 381
Columbia, IL 62236
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ilmcghs/index.html

Here are their volunteers!! Includes, deaths, cemetery, births, marriages, etc.

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ilmcghs/lookups.htm

Their site includes the following:

Death of a Carl KAHRE.

Estate Files / Wills

Name, date of file, drawer:

Kahre Carl 1857 K 1856-1871

Re: Dietzel

valerie1950kohlmeyer — 2012-08-23 12:14:13Z

Charlotte Christine Wilhelmine Erftmeier 5, Oct 1817 Lohfeld, Houseberge, Minden, Prussia
died 12, June 1916 Wolsey, SD

married: Heinrich Ludwig Kahre 1816 Lerbeck, Minden Prussia on: 28, June 1869

1-Heinrich Carl Kahre 4 Oct 1841 (died 12, June 1916 in Wolsey, SD my great grandpa)
2-Friedrich Heinrich Daniel Kahre 25, Feb 1847
3-Carl Heinrich Friedrich Kahre 5, Nov 1849
4-Heinrich Friedrich August Kahre 5, Aug 1852
(all born in Prussia)
5-Louise Marie Kahre 21, March 1856 Cumberland, Marion County Indiana

Christine (this is where some discrepencies come)

Christine Wilhelmine Erftmeier
20, August 1812 or 12, September 1812 Lohfeld, Hausberge, Minden, Prussia

married: Carl Friedrich Gottlieb Kahre
28, Dec 1805
also listed as the following:
Carl Heinrich Wilhelm Kahre 7, Sept. 1805

He was born in Lerbeck, Westfalen, Prussia
married on 12, June 1836

1-Christine Luise Marie Kahre 26, Feb 1837
2-Carl Heinrich Wilhelm Kahre 26, July 1839
3-Christine Luise Henriette Kahre 3, May 1841
4-Charlotte Wilhelmine Kahre 25, Feb 1843
5-Wilhelmina Minnie Kahre 5, Sept 1844
6-Baby Girl 12, Feb 1845 (died same day)
(the above were all born in Prussia)
7-Heinrich Christian Kahre 26, March 1846 Monroe Co. ill.
8-Caroline Charlotte Kahre 16, May 1849 Monroe Co. ill
(she died in 23, May 1924 in Wolsey, SD) (my great grandma)
9-Marie Caroline Christine Kahre 17, June 1854 Waterloo, ill.
(from another distant family member I got unconfirmed info that Carl died in 1857, either in Illinois or Germany and that Christine is supposed to have died in 1880 in Waterloo. Again that is ALL unconfirmed!!)

Re: Dietzel

bethrau1 — 2012-08-22 17:58:42Z

Did Christine KAHRE's daughter "Mina" marry Chris MANDELKOW? or a VAUDT?

The Monroe County, IL, volunteer-run genweb site includes much information for you to sift through. For example:

http://monroe.ilgenweb.net/churches/holycross_kl.htm

Here is the home page for Monroe Co. genweb:

http://monroe.ilgenweb.net/

Re: Dietzel

bethrau1 — 2012-08-22 17:18:34Z

No wonder why I'm confused!

I don't find more information on your family tree which would help me keep the two women separate while I am searching.

Can you please list the two women, separately, with birth year, names of husbands, names and birth dates and places of children? For example: 1850 Monroe Co. IL KAHRE Christine, 38, Prussia. Husband Carl, 34, Prussia, (then list each child, birth year or age. If you list them that way, esp. so I can compare two records like the 1850 census, I will then see whether I can trace Christine Wilhelmine Louisa.

Re: Dietzel

valerie1950kohlmeyer — 2012-08-22 12:25:13Z

We are trying to locate Christine the "elder" It is very confusing, as both sisters were named Christine.
The Christine that is listed on the marriage certificate to Christoph Dietzel was CHRISTINE WILHLEMINE CHARLOTTE she always went by the name Charlotte. She is my great great paternal grandmother and died here in Wolsey, S.D.
Her son Karl Henry Johann is my great grandfather, also buried here in Wolsey.

The other one is CHRISTINE WILHELMINE LOUISA and she went by Christine. She is the one we are looking for. She is my great great maternal grandmother. Her daughter Caroline is my great grandmother (married Karl Henry) and is buried here in Wolsey.

They were Ertmeier sisters, who married Kahre brothers.
That last census that you gave is the very last time Christine shows up anywhere that we can find!!!

Christine Wilhelmine Louisa had many children, and I have located 2 decendents of two other daughters and they are also looking...no luck!!

Thanks

Re: Dietzel

bethrau1 — 2012-08-21 18:20:57Z

You asked me via Ancestry messenger to do a little more researching on Christine and reply on this post.

Do I understand correctly:

Christine born 1812 in Germany. Married Carl Kahre in 1836, emigrated to IL. Carl died and you don't find Christine in later records. (OR is it the daughter Christine you are trying to trace?)

Christine married Christoph DIETZEL, I discovered he died in 1869, and she then took back her married name, moving to Iowa.

Is it the daughter Christine who married Christoph DIETZEL? And you want to trace her?

You also stated "she is listed in 1850 with her children", and a man named "Charles Kahre". You ask whether she might have married this man; do you have a death date for "Carl" earlier than 1850?

Unless you have a widely different birth date for "Carl" KAHRE, I assumed immediately that the "Charles" is the same man, Christine's husband, just with an Americanized name. MANY people did that.

Later records for the elder Christine are found:

In 1850 Monroe County, IL, her name is given as Christina KAHRA, b 1812. Children Christina 14, Charles 11, Louisa 9, Wilhelminia 7, Henry 6 and Caroline 1.

1860 Monroe County, IL:
KAHRE, Chstine [sic] age 48, born Prussia
--- Chas, 21, Prussia
--- Louise, 19, Prussia
--- Mina, 17, Prussia
--- Carl, (female), 11, IL
--- Mary, 6, IL

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Can you clarify which Christine married Christoph DIETZEL?

Is it the daughter Christine you are trying to trace? What do you know about her? What records have you found?

Dietzel

valerie1950kohlmeyer — 2012-08-21 15:44:07Z

I am looking for any information on the following people:
Christoph Dietzel he was married to Christine Wilhelmina Charlotte Kahre on the 31st of January 1869

In the 1870 census, just Charlotte is listed in Monroe, Illinois with his two children: Charles Dietzel who would have a birth year of 1849 and Louisa whose birth year would have been 1856.

After that the children disappear...any info on Christoph, Charles and Louisa would be greatly appreciated

Kahre

valerie1950kohlmeyer — 2012-08-21 15:43:39Z

I am looking for information on the following people:
Christine Wilhelmine Erfmeier "Erftmeier" (August 20-1812) was married to Carl Friedrich Gottlieb Kahre (December 28-1805 on June 12, 1836 in Germany.
They had several children -- Christine Louise Margrethe (1837) Christine Luise Henriette (1841) Charlotte Wilhelmine Kahre (1843) Carl Heinrich Fredrich (1849) and Caroline (1849) we know there are some other children too including Minne (who married a Vaudt)
in the 1870 Monroe Illinois census she is listed with just the children. Any information on what happened to her after that would be appreciated. We cannot find any more information on her. Caroline is my great-grandmother and Christine would be my great-great-grandmother. We think she left Illinois and moved to Iowa but we are not sure, and cannot seem to find any more information. Thank you!

Re: Dietzel

valerie1950kohlmeyer — 2012-08-17 12:05:30Z

Thank you so much!!!! We have been wondering what on earth happened to him!! We knew they had gotten married and then later after Charlotte moved to Iowa with her son, she took back the Kahre name....You have finally closed a chapter in this long search!! Thanks again!!

Re: Dietzel

valerie1950kohlmeyer — 2012-08-17 11:59:59Z

I have already contacted the Monroe County Clerk and he sent me a copy of their marriage certificate. On that certificate it says: "I Charles L Kleppisch and minister of the Gospel herby certify that one the 31st day of January, 1869 did join in marriage, Cristoph Dietzel and Mrs. Christine Wilhelmine Charlotte Kahre. It was filed on the 24th of February 1869.

My great great grandmother is this lady. She went by Charlotte as her sister was also name Christine.

Re: Kahre

bethrau1 — 2012-08-16 17:19:27Z

Please see my reply to your DIETZEL query.

Re: Dietzel

bethrau1 — 2012-08-16 17:00:10Z

Christoph died in 1869:

www.findagrave.com

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Di...;

An Eva Maria DIETZEL is also buried in that cemetery.

Re: Dietzel

bethrau1 — 2012-08-16 16:57:14Z

The Illinois State Archives Marriage Index has a different date for the marriage, and a different first name for Christine:

http://www.ilsos.gov/isavital/marriageSearch.do

That is the only entry for Christoph found in the online Illinois State Archives using the exact spelling of Christoph DIETZEL.

You will find other family information in their database:

http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/archives/datab...

There are two marriages for a Charles DIETZEL.

Nothing found for a Louisa or Louise.

No death entries found.

Beth
not related

Horneffer, Last known residence Mitchie Precinct, Monroe co, IL.

Bandy_Daniel — 2012-08-08 01:42:41Z

I am researching my Aunt,
Emma Christine Horneffer.
born: dec 22 1897 in Mitchie Precinct, Monroe, IL
daughter of
August Horneffer, born abt 1859 in Prussia
Emma Elisabeth Geist, born abt 1871 in Missouri, USA
Emma Horneffer's last known residence was in 1900 in Mitchie, Monroe, IL.
Any information or help would be great.
Her marriage name, kids ect..
many thank yous, Daniel