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obit help please - Carlinville

pjskelton919 — 2009-11-01 19:06:22Z

Would some kind person please get me the obits for:
Imogene (Imo) Wise - d. 26 Sep 1989, Carlinville
Donald Wise - d. 15 Apr 1995, Carlinville
Thank you for your help.

Re: Nathan Walker death records

tddoor — 2009-11-01 16:19:55Z

Thank you so much! r

Re: Nathan Walker death records

RDeatherage9395 — 2009-11-01 13:07:42Z

You may find part of your answers by obtaining Nathan's probate record from Macoupin County--while not place of burial initial filings for probate usually include date of death. I notice there is a listing for Nathan which would indicate there is at least a partial file. The listing reads:

Nathan Walker
R.R. Tompkins, adm.
index page # 289
year which index page starts--1851

Death records were not the norm during this year range, a viewing of the petition to file probate is likely your best shot at actual death date.

You may try the Macoupin County Archives or the Historical Society, they might be able to check if there is any recording on the old WPA records/notes fron the Woodburn Cemetery for Nathan Walker. He may not have been buried there at all but this would be the 'local' cemetery for the area he is living on the 1844 tax list. Woodburn is in Bunker Hill twp. Woodburn was laid out in 1834 and a burial area started, when the WPA did their work they found graves going back to 1844. Might be worth a try.

Re: 1880 'Defective' Schedule

RDeatherage9395 — 2009-11-01 00:23:04Z

The Illinois State Archives has the schedules. The schedules for defective under idiot list the persons name and had several areas for the taker to fill in. Place of residence while at home, whether the person is self supporting or partially so, age when person became idiotic (example at birth, 2 months old the like), supposed cause of idiocy (for example scarlet fever), size of persons head, has the person ever been an inmate or intraining school, and finally is person also blind, deaf, insane, epileptic, paralized.

Re: Tony Lucas Mann, b.KY1850, d. IL 1934

bmann4429 — 2009-10-28 00:21:02Z

Hi, my grandfather was George Riley Mann, My father was John Carl Mann I have been trying to research his side of the family. Came up empty handed now I know why, I actually traced the line back to Daniel boone but had him under Georges Fathers ancester not his mother. Have you recieved any info as to who the Father might have been of George and Tony, Also who the other brothers were. my email is bmann4429@msn.com I would appreciate any info thank you Beverly

Nathan Walker death records

tddoor — 2009-10-18 03:39:53Z

I am looking for the death date and cemetery information on Nathan Walker who was born in Maine in about 1808 and died in Macoupin County sometime after 1850 but before 1860 when his wife Emeline(Evaline) and 2 boys John and Charles Edward were living in MA. Thanks

Bertie WEISS

IlliniMom2 — 2009-10-16 06:11:56Z

I am looking for information on Bertie B WEISS, b ca 1872.

She is listed on the 1880 Census in Brighton Townships as the 8 year old daughter of Henry and Catherine WEISS. Emma Jane WEISS appears on the same census as a 15 year old daughter.

However, Emma Jane's obit states she was the youngest child of Henry and Catherine.

Any info on Bertie would be appreciated!

1880 'Defective' Schedule

IlliniMom2 — 2009-10-16 06:07:19Z

I have a copy of the 1880 census record for my Gr-gr-grandfather. One of his son's is marked as 'Idiotic'. I just found this info...

" If you have discovered such an entry in a family you locate in the 1880 census, you will then want to find the corresponding entry in the Defective Schedules."

Does anyone know where I can locate a copy of the 1880 Defective Schedule...aka the 1880 3D schedule or 1880 Defective, Dependent and Delinquint Classes?
Any help will be apprecitated.

Reverend Samuel H. Clark

BBrowning58 — 2009-10-03 14:06:06Z

I'm researching Hannah(?)Clark who married Samuel and lived in Virden, IL. b. 1817 Cherry Valley, NY d. 10 Feb 1892 Virden, IL.
Samuel was also a doctor and moved to Macoupin County IL in the 1850's from Pike County, IL. Hannah's death certificate does not list her maiden name. Looking for any documents from Macoupin County that might shed some light on the Clarks life in Virden. Samuel preached at the ME church in Virden in the mid 1850's. He was the attending physician of William Pinney Howland who died October 1884 in Martingsburg, Pike, Illinois. Looking for Hannah's connection to my Howland line.

Thanks

Re: ADCOCK, HAYS

HARLEYD07 — 2009-09-22 18:51:27Z

My great-grandmother was Amanda Hayes/Hays born in KY on 29 Nov 1861 to Beauford "Bluford" Hayes/Hays and Catherine "Mann?". They moved with her siblings to Macoupin County IL between 1860 and 1880 and then after 1880 to Kansas.
Beauford was born 13 Apr 1836 KY to William Hayes/Hays born abt 1804. William's wife was Nancy born abt 1807.

Beauford's children were Jasper/KY, Newton/KY, Amanda/KY, Williard/KY, John W/IL, Nancy/IL, and Charles/IL.

If you can verify any of this information and identify other family members, I sure would appreciate your assistance.

John ROBERSON/ROBERTSON/ROBINSON

ConstanceSchofield — 2009-08-31 02:03:41Z

Looking for John Robinson/Roberson/Robertson born 1802 SC married before 1833 IL to a Susan ???? born IL.
Find them on the 1830 Macoupin county, IL census as John ROBERSON. Then 1840 Pulaski county, MO as John ROBINSON and 1850 Pulaski county, MO as John ROBERTSON. Census-takers in 1840 had all families with any of the three possible spellings as ROBINSON and 1850 had all as ROBERTSON.
1850 census has children as Lucetta 1833 IL, James N 1835 MO, William R. 1837 MO, Eliza Ann 1839 MO, John M. 1842 MO,
and Nancy Ann 1844 MO
Where did this family go after 1850? Can find nothing on them after 1850. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Looking for Matilda

Mogale — 2009-08-31 01:12:31Z

I am still searching for Matilda Kienast or Matilda Arnold who lived in Mount Olive in about 1879-1881 with her step-parents. I don't know if she married there, as her family moved on to Wisconsin. She would have been about 18 or 19. Her family lived with the Saathoff family in the 1880 census.

Re: Mayfield Memorial Park Cemetery Photo Needed Please

Ken_Doty — 2009-08-30 10:58:24Z

Things are finally getting back to normal around here and I should be able to get these pics in the next week or so.

Mayfield Memorial Park Cemetery Photo Needed Please

RayConsidine — 2009-08-29 14:01:12Z

Tried findagrave with no luck and am still in need of a volunteer to photograph of the graves of Russell Herron, Sr. and Beulah Herron and Russell Herron, Jr. at Mayfield Memorial Park in Carlinville. Any help would be greatly appreciated

colin_murphy@sbcglobal.net

Re: Descendants of Charles Bartlett, Maria Bartlett, Emma Bartlett

lindhouse42 — 2009-08-29 00:12:48Z

No----I don't believe we have exchanged information before. Like I said, I am descended from Jonathan G. Davis' oldest brother, but I probably have more information on the family than anyone else. You can get in touch with me privatly at lindhouse42@yahoo.com

would some check for me in carlinville,macoupin county,illinois birth records

elmerenaoliver — 2009-08-27 21:41:40Z

walter miller was born 1919, and no i don't know the month or date,, his mother should have been elizabeth or lizzie oliver,, would ,could someone check for me,i need just enough info to get the birth certif, walter mother was my grandfather sister,, my email address is
susanneoliver34@hotmail.com

Re: Descendants of Charles Bartlett, Maria Bartlett, Emma Bartlett

M_Mongan — 2009-08-17 18:48:42Z

Doug, Have I corresponded with you in past? I don't remember seeing your reply to my post before. Thanks.
MLM

Re: SHAWS POINT BAPTIST CHURCH

BJLocke — 2009-08-13 20:08:31Z

Sorry about the misunderstanding-I was referring to James Breden.My Isaac was a brother to your Mary Polly Breden who married Edney Colyar.I have done a lot of research that is centered around James Breden and his father John Breden who died in Patrick co.Va.1802.But am happy to know we stil are family. Betty

Re: SHAWS POINT BAPTIST CHURCH

BJLocke — 2009-08-13 00:31:51Z

Just checked this out again,so we are cousins.I am fromJames's son Isaac,who married Louisa McPeakDo you have a lot on James?? Betty

Looking for obit for a Emma Wenner.

dkwesley — 2009-02-05 22:29:18Z

Looking an obituary for a Emma F Wenner that died in August 1984, Staunton.

Re: Thomas Herbert family living in Bunker Hill area of MacOupin County in 1850 - need any information!!

RDeatherage9395 — 2008-10-25 14:44:44Z

You need to search in Utah for more records. Esther and her children are in Utah Co, Provo City on the 1856 census. Thomas is not. If you are not a member of Ancestry, seek one of your local libraries that is and use Ancestry in helping you access the census. There is also family submitted files on Ancestry which indicate Thomas dies in Iowa in 1852--that would be up to you to track down and verify. Though again, you would have to seek verification, family files also suggest Esther and Emily both married in Utah. It appears you need to connect with Utah sources.

Re: date of death for Almeda Freeman?

J_Seni — 2009-07-12 01:36:02Z

From Illinois Statewide Archives

Re: date of death for Almeda Freeman?

J_Seni — 2009-07-11 23:57:05Z

Your Welcome

Re: date of death for Almeda Freeman?

J_Seni — 2009-07-11 23:53:57Z

I don't know if there would be one in Chicago Newspaper or not. I am not able to obtain one. Maybe you can post a message in Cook Cty or with the death date maybe try Carlinville paper.

Hewitt Mystery

mvwpaw11 — 2009-05-14 11:31:41Z

I have an ancester John Hewitt who lived in Ohio and served in the civil war. He died in The vet Home in Danville Ill. and was buried in Virden Ill. His brother was Samuel Hewitt a doctor living in Chatham Ill. Are these areas close in proximity? Dose anyone have access to cemetery info there? His wife and family remained in Ohio and are all buried there.

Carlinville obit - help please

pjskelton919 — 2009-03-24 22:08:41Z

Would some kind person please get me the obits for these 2 people who died in Carlinville:
Imogene Wise d. 26 Sep 1989
Donald Wise d. 15 Apr 1995
Thank you for your help.

Schroll Family in Girard, Macoupin County

jm5277 — 2008-12-21 21:40:16Z

Looking for information on the Schroll family. They lived in Girard from 1870-1890. Andrew and Matilda lived there with their children.

David M. Andrews and Hattie M. Price of Virden and Almshouse

pamgoess58 — 2009-04-21 15:31:28Z

I'm looking for information on Hattie M. Price married to David Andrews on August 21, 1883 in Virden, Illinois. Hattie was the Daughter of Amos and Nancy Price. She was born around 1867 in Macoupin County, Illinois. I can not find any info on here after the birth of her 2nd son Charles in 1889. David is listed in census record in 1900 as a widow and his oldest son is listed as living with Hattie's brother John A. Price and his wife Eliza nee Roberts. I'm guessing that Hattie died soon after the birth of Charles but can not find any records any where of her death. So many rumors have been passed about this family including that Charles was adopted and possible part native american. I'm hoping someone from either the Andrews or Price side has something. Also if anyone has any information on the Macoupin County Almshouse I would be happy to hear that. David is listed as an inmate there on the 1920 & 1930 Census.

Thanks.

Mary Rudolph

sblesi01 — 2009-02-27 01:39:04Z

Hello,
I'm looking for information on the family of Mary Rudolph, who attended St. Michael's Church in Staunton and became a nun. I am descended from some Rudolphs in that area and would be interested in finding a connection. Thanks.
Glen Blesi

Re: date of death for Almeda Freeman?

jseni1952 — 2009-07-11 23:03:28Z

Almeda A. Freeman Died: 11-13-1907 Chicago,ILL Cook County
82 years old Certificate# 00004762

This is the only one I could find...Do you think this is her?

Re: Milton Cummings

kencummings39 — 2009-08-13 01:18:46Z

Milton was related to my Cummings line from Samuel& Mary "mcCulley'Cummings. I think Milton was a brother to Calvin,my Grandfather. Ken Cummings bluegrass39@embarqmail.com

Davis 5 Stockton of Stockton's Valley, Kentucky

JerryStockton8 — 2009-05-05 22:44:12Z

Davis 5 Stockton of Stockton's Valley, Kentucky

Davis 5 Stockton, who married Elizabeth Bertram, was born in Stockton’s Valley on 10 June 1799. Davis and Elizabeth (nee Bertram) Stockton and their family are shown in the 1850 census living in Macoupin County, Illinois. Davis 5 Stockton is sometimes shown as David Stockton, and in one Macoupin County article he is shown as both David and Davis Stockton. He is clearly shown as Davis in the 1850 census, and Elizabeth (nee Bertram) Stockton’s headstone shows her to be the wife of Davis Stockton.

The book by Leona Irene Smith Johnson and Winfred Broadus Smith, DAVIS STOCKTON OF VIRGINIA, shows David 5 Stockton was the husband of Elizabeth (nee Bertram) Stockton of Macoupin County, Illinois. Johnson and Smith used the information from the Macoupin County article that showed him as both David and Davis Stockton. This is the same person, David 5 Stockton and Davis 5 Stockton are not two different men.

Davis 5 Stockton is commonly shown to be a son of Peter Harget 4 Stockton. Johnson and Smith wrote that Peter Harget 4 Stockton was the father of the David 5 Stockton who was married to Elizabeth (nee Bertram) Stockton. In 1982 the Illinois State Genealogical Society Quarterly also showed that his father was Peter Harget Stockton. Jack Ferguson’s book, EARLY TIMES IN CLINTON COUNTY, Volume I, 2004, shows the Davis Stockton who married Elizabeth Bertram to be the son of Peter Hargard [sic] Stockton. It appears, however, that the father of Davis 5 Stockton was not Peter Harget 4 Stockton, but that his father was “Smith Creek” John 4 Stockton.

Estate papers of Peter H. Stockton
Wayne County, Kentucky
Deed Book N, p. 587
Peter H. Stockton, Dec’d., died in Nov 1854
John S. [Sevier] Stockton, administrator
Isaac Stockton
Lemuel Stockton
Paul Stockton
John and Tabitha [nee Stockton] Beck
Hiram and Mary [nee Stockton] Summers
Rebecca Stockton [unmarried daughter of Peter H. Stockton]
J.W.S. and Susan [nee Stockton] Brooks

David or Davis Stockton is not mentioned in the estate papers of Peter H. (Harget) 4 Stockton. If Davis 5 Stockton was a son of Peter Harget 4 Stockton, he should have been mentioned in the estate papers along with all of the other heirs. Davis 5 Stockton of Macoupin County, Illinois died in 1855, but either Davis, or his widow Elizabeth, or his children should have been mentioned as heirs of Peter Harget 4 Stockton if Davis 5 Stockton was his son. It appears that Johnson and Smith did not know about the estate papers of Peter Harget 4 Stockton as this information was not included in their book.

Cumberland County, Kentucky
Deed Book F, page 34
30 May 1825
Heirs of John Stockton, 200 acres on Smiths Creek
John Christian, John Stockton, Rachel Jones of Overton County, Tennessee,
Michael Stockton, Thomas Stockton, Daniel Stockton, John Irwin, Samuel C. Stockton,
Davis Stockton, and Jesse Stockton of the County of Cumberland

The 1825 deed that listed the heirs of “Smith Creek” John 4 Stockton did include a Davis Stockton. His name is clearly shown as Davis Stockton twice. This 200 acre property on Smith Creek was in Stockton’s Valley, which is located in present Clinton County, Kentucky. The Davis Stockton who is shown as an heir of “Smith Creek” John 4 Stockton appears to be the Davis 5 Stockton who was born in Stockton’s Valley in 1799, married Elizabeth Bertram, and later lived in Macoupin County, Illinois. The 1825 deed also shows that “Smith Creek” John 4 Stockton’s son, Davis 5 Stockton, was living in Cumberland County in 1825. Just 5 years later David Stockton is shown on the 1830 census in Cumberland County, living very close to other “Smith Creek” John 4 Stockton heirs. In 1836 this area became part of the newly formed Clinton County, Kentucky.

HISTORY OF MACOUPIN COUNTY, ILLINOIS, 1879, p. 199, “. . . Eliza J. Stockton . . . was born in Stockton's Valley, in what was then Cumberland (now Clinton) county, Kentucky, July 12, 1828. Stockton's Valley received its name from her grandfather . . . Her father, David [sic] Stockton, was born in Kentucky, and married Elizabeth Bertram . . . Davis Stockton came to Illinois in 1831 . . .” In this Macoupin County, Illinois, article Eliza J. Stockton’s father is shown as both David Stockton and Davis Stockton.

Fortunately, Johnson and Smith did say why they thought Davis 5 Stockton was the son of Peter Harget 4 Stockton. This information did not come from a will, or a Bible record, or a deed, or a court record, or even from a family tradition. It appears they made this connection based on their incorrect conclusion that Peter Harget 4 Stockton was the “founder” of Stockton’s Valley, and because the Macoupin County article stated “Stockton’s Valley received its name from her grandfather” they thought that Peter Harget 4 Stockton was the father of Davis 5 Stockton.

The following information will show the correct location of Stockton’s Valley, and that it was named after Thomas Stockton, Sr. It will also show that Peter Harget 4 Stockton did not even live in Stockton’s Valley. It appears that Johnson and Smith are the source of the information that Gap Creek, Otter Creek and Beaver Creek were all in Stockton’s Valley, and that Peter Harget 4 Stockton was the “founder” of Stockton’s Valley.

Johnson and Smith, DAVIS STOCKTON OF VIRGINIA, Second Edition, 1975, pp. 38, 40, "PETER HARGET 4 STOCKTON owned lands on both Gap and Otter Creeks . . . in Wayne County. Five of his sons received land grants on Gap . . . and Otter Creeks. It was this valley which was named “STOCKTON'S VALLEY” . . . DAVID [sic] was the son of the founder of STOCKTON VALLEY, Cumberland County, Kentucky, he would have been a son of PETER HARGET 4 STOCKTON . . .”

Johnson and Smith are wrong about the location of Stockton's Valley. Luke Munsell’s 1818 map of Kentucky clearly shows the name “Stockton's Valley” and its location southwest of Poplar Mountain. This map also shows Stockton’s Valley to be the watershed of Spring Creek, Smith Creek, Clear Fork of Spring Creek, and Ill Will Creek. All of these creeks flow south or southwest from Poplar Mountain to the Wolf River, which then flows to the Obey River in Tennessee. The Obey River is shown on Luke Munsell’s 1818 map as Obie's River. There are grants to properties on Spring Creek and the Clear Fork of Spring Creek that include the information that they are in Stockton’s Valley. This is all on the southwest side of Poplar Mountain, which is a 12 mile long curved series of mountain ridges and peaks. Stockton’s Valley is on the inside of the curve formed by Poplar Mountain.

J. W. Wells, HISTORY OF CUMBERLAND COUNTY, 1947, p. 15, “LAND GRANTS . . . As Copied from the Old Records of Cumberland County . . . William Cross, 200 A. on Spring Creek in Stockton V., Oct. 1799 . . .” and “John Silvertooth, 200 A. in Stockton Valley, Aug. 23, 1799.” The 200 acre property of John Silvertooth was on the Clear Fork of Spring Creek. This was only one property away from “Smith Creek” John 4 Stockton on Smith Creek, and one property away from Thomas 4 Stockton, Jr., on Spring Creek. Thomas 3 Stockton, Sr., who is credited with being the first settler in what is now Clinton County, lived just five properties away on Spring Creek. Deed records show that in 1799 Nathaniel Stockton owned property on Spring Creek adjacent to Thomas Stockton, Sr.

Plat maps showing the location of the above properties can be found in Jack Ferguson’s EARLY TIMES IN CLINTON COUNTY, Volume I, Revised Edition, 2004. Also in Jack Ferguson’s book on page 180, “By the early part of 1799 Ephraim and Henry Guffey, brothers, were settled in the eastern part of the county, near Otter Creek, in that portion of the county that was first included in Wayne County. They were neighbors of Peter H. Stockton, the first settler in that neighborhood.”

Gap Creek and Otter Creek, where Peter Harget 4 Stockton lived, are not inside the curve formed by Poplar Mountain. They are both on the other side of Poplar Mountain, the northeast side. This mountain is sometimes called the Poplar Mountains as there are several mountain peaks along its 12 mile length. Gap Creek flows northeast from the Poplar Mountains to Otter Creek, which then flows northwest to the Cumberland River. It is the book DAVIS STOCKTON OF VIRGINIA that claims that Stockton’s Valley was named after Peter Harget 4 Stockton. No historical record has been found that shows the area around Gap Creek and Otter Creek was ever known as Stockton’s Valley.

Jack Ferguson, EARLY TIMES IN CLINTON COUNTY, Volume II, First Edition, 1993, p. 22, “The first roads were simply game or Indian trails through the forest . . . Eventually, as the need arose some of these were widened by clearing out small trees and brush to make what were called “traces” . . . A survey for the Woodford Academy in June, 1799, calls for 200 acres in Stocktons Valley on the trace from Stocktons Valley to Peter H. Stockton’s . . . Stocktons Valley referred to the whole area south and southwest of Poplar mountain . . . the trace from Stocktons Valley to Peter H. Stockton's was the one referred to as Stocktons trace . . . Stocktons trace traversed . . . across the mountains . . . to Peter H. Stockton's place on Gap Creek . . ." As Stockton’s trace was “from Stocktons Valley to Peter H. Stockton's . . . place on Gap Creek”, logic would dictate that Peter H. Stockton’s place on Gap Creek was not in Stockton’s Valley.

Johnson and Smith mistakenly thought that the area around Gap Creek and Otter Creek in Wayne County was Stockton’s Valley. They knew that Peter Harget 4 Stockton was the only Stockton who lived on Gap Creek and Otter Creek at an early date. This is reason that they believed that Stockton’s Valley was named after Peter Harget 4 Stockton. From the Macoupin County, Illinois, article “. . . Eliza J. Stockton . . . was born in Stockton’s Valley . . . Stockton’s Valley received its name from her grandfather . . .” This appears to be the reason Johnson and Smith thought that Peter Harget 4 Stockton was the father of Davis 5 Stockton.

Peter Harget 4 Stockton did not live in Stockton’s Valley, and Stockton’s Valley was not named after him. The 1830 census shows Peter Harget 4 Stockton living in Wayne County. By 1830 Davis 5 Stockton was married with two children, however, a Davis or David Stockton is not shown living in Wayne County in the 1830 census. There is a David Stockton and family shown in living in Cumberland County in the 1830 census. This David Stockton is shown living in Stockton’s Valley very near the other heirs of “Smith Creek” John 4 Stockton. David Stockton and his family are a perfect match for the Davis 5 Stockton family who later lived in Macoupin County, Illinois. (See census records below.)

In 1822 David / Davis Stockton purchased the 100 acre property of Benjamin McDowell on Smith Creek. This was just across Smith Creek and one property away from where “Smith Creek” John 4 Stockton had lived. “Smith Creek” John 4 Stockton’s widow, Margaret “Peggy” Stockton, appears to have lived on her Smith Creek property until her death in the early 1820’s. It is this property of “Smith Creek” John 4 and Margaret “Peggy” Stockton that was sold on 30 May 1825 that showed Davis Stockton as one of the heirs of John Stockton.

Jack Ferguson, EARLY TIMES IN CLINTON COUNTY, Volume I, Revised Edition, 2004, p. 1, “Poplar Mountain, a spur of the great Cumberland Range, which penetrates the county and terminates about two miles west of its center. It attains a maximum height of 1745 feet, Stocktons Valley, made by the curve of Poplar Mountain . . . was the scene of the first white settlement in the County.”

THE WPA GUIDE TO KENTUCKY, 1939, p. 445, “POPLAR MOUNTAIN (1,745 alt.), the most prominent elevation in this area, is . . . a spur of the Cumberlands, and forms a curve within which Stockton’s Valley . . . a fertile area named for Thomas Stockton, a pioneer.” Also on page 445, “ALBANY . . . seat and principal town of Clinton County, was named for the capital of New York. Settlements near by at Paoli and in Stockton’s Valley were made as early as 1790 by families chiefly from East Tennessee.” Both Albany and Paoli are on the inside the curve formed by Poplar Mountain.

William B. Allen, A HISTORY OF KENTUCKY, Bradley and Gilbert, Publishers, 1872, p. 118, “Poplar Mountain, in Clinton County, a spur of the Cumberland Mountains, penetrates the county to its center, making a beautiful curve, and the valley in the curve is called Stockton’s Valley, of the most fertile limestone land.” All maps of this area show the inside of the curve formed by Poplar Mountain to be the southwest side and to include Spring Creek, Smith Creek, Clear Fork of Spring Creek and Ill Will Creek.

Jack Ferguson, EARLY TIMES IN CLINTON COUNTY, Volume I, Revised Edition, 2004, p. 12, “As far as can be ascertained through the dim mist that surrounds this early period, Clinton County’s first permanent settler was Thomas Stockton, Sr., after whom Stocktons Valley took its name . . . At that time Clinton County was a virgin wilderness. As far as can be determined, settlers had not yet penetrated into the adjoining county of Cumberland; only a very few had ventured into Wayne County . . . [Thomas] Stockton . . . located his grant on Spring Creek.”

From the Macoupin County article “Stockton’s Valley received its name from her grandfather.” Eliza J. Stockton’s grandfather appears to be “Smith Creek” John 4 Stockton. However, Stockton’s Valley was named after Thomas 3 (Richard 2, Davis 1) Stockton, Sr. It is understandable that Eliza would credit her grandfather as being the man Stockton’s Valley was named after. Eliza’s grandfather, “Smith Creek” John 4 Stockton, was living in Stockton’s Valley at a very early date, probably first arriving in Stockton’s Valley in the mid 1790’s. “Smith Creek” John 4 Stockton also raised a very large family in Stockton’s Valley. It appears that when Eliza J. 6 Stockton was born in the late 1820’s the only Stocktons living in Stockton’s Valley were descendents of “Smith Creek” John 4 Stockton. Peter Harget 4 Stockton is not known to have ever lived in Stockton’s Valley.

Estate papers of Peter H. Stockton, Wayne County, Kentucky, Deed Book N, p. 587, “. . . the estate of said Peter H. Stockton, dec'd, . . . to Rebecca Stockton . . . recorded in Wayne County, April 1858 . . . to Paul Stockton . . . together with saw and grist mill on Beaver Creek . . .” The estate papers of Peter H. 4 Stockton show his lands to be on the northeast side of Poplar Mountain and mostly in Wayne County, Kentucky.

Peter Harget 4 Stockton lived on Gap Creek, which flows northeast from Poplar Mountain to Otter Creek. Then Otter Creek flows northwest to the Cumberland River. Beaver Creek flows into Otter Creek just before Otter Creek enters the Cumberland River. Peter H. Stockton’s certificate #512, dated 20 Aug 1798, was for 200 acres, the location was given as Otter Creek. The 1799 Tax List also shows Peter H. Stockton with 200 acres and lists Otter Creek as the location. Most of Gap Creek is in Wayne County, and all of Otter Creek and Beaver Creek are in Wayne County. Stockton’s Valley is in Clinton County on the other side of the Poplar Mountains.

Peter Harget 4 Stockton was shown living in Wayne County in the 1820 and 1830 census, and living in Clinton County in the 1850 census. Peter Harget Stockton probably did not move. When Clinton County was created in 1836 the headwaters of Gap Creek, where Peter Harget 4 Stockton lived, became part of the new county of Clinton. If Peter Harget Stockton had lived in Stockton’s Valley he would have been shown living in Cumberland County, Kentucky in the 1820 and 1830 census.

HISTORY OF MACOUPIN COUNTY, ILLINOIS, “. . . Eliza J. Stockton . . . was born in Stockton's Valley, in what was then Cumberland (now Clinton) county, Kentucky, July 12, 1828 . . .” According to the Macoupin County article Eliza J. Stockton was born in Cumberland County, Kentucky in 1828. Peter Harget 4 Stockton and his family are shown living in Wayne County, Kentucky in the 1830 census. The 1830 census shows several of “Smith Creek” John 4 Stockton’s heirs living in Cumberland County, including David Stockton.

In the 1820 census it appears that “Smith Creek” John 4 Stockton’s widow, Peggy Stockton, was still living on Smith Creek in Stockton’s Valley, Cumberland County. Living nearby were three of her sons who already had their own households, Jesse 5, Michael 5 and Thomas 5 Stockton. Living in Peggy Stockton’s 1820 household are three males 16-26 years old. Davis 5 Stockton, born in 1799, would have been 21 years old in 1820. The other two sons living with Peggy Stockton appear to be Samuel 5 and Daniel 5 Stockton. “Smith Creek” John 4 Stockton’s widow and sons are the only Stockton families shown living in Stockton’s Valley in the 1820 census. Peter Harget 4 Stockton is shown living in Wayne County in 1820.

In the 1830 census, Cumberland County, very near where Smith Creek meets Spring Creek, several of the heirs of “Smith Creek” John 4 Stockton can be found. On page 116 are “Smith Creek” John 4 Stockton’s sons Michael 5, Jesse 5, Thomas 5, and Daniel 5 Stockton. Just thirty names later is David 5 Stockton with his wife and family. The next name on the census is John Irwin. He was married to Jemima 5 Stockton, a daughter of “Smith Creek” John 4 Stockton and a sister of Davis 5 Stockton. In the 1830 census David Stockton is shown with a wife, one daughter and one son. HISTORY OF MACOUPIN COUNTY, ILLINOIS, 1879, p. 199, “. . . Eliza J. Stockton . . . was born in Stockton's Valley, in what was then Cumberland (now Clinton) county, Kentucky, July 12, 1828.

1830 census, Cumberland County, Kentucky
David Stockton, age 30-40 [Davis 5 Stockton, born 10 June 1799 would be 31 in 1830.]
1 female, age 20-30 [Elizabeth (nee Bertram) Stockton, born May of 1806 would be 24 in 1830.]
1 male, age 0-5 [Samuel C. 6 Stockton, born 13 Sep 1827, would be 3 in 1830.]
1 female, age 0-5 [Eliza J. 6 Stockton, born on 12 July 1828 would be 2 in 1830.]

There is no David or Davis Stockton shown living in Wayne County in the 1830 census. Peter Harget 4 Stockton is shown living in Wayne County in the 1830 census. He was the head of a large family with several adults. However, there is no 0-5 year old female. Eliza J. 6 Stockton was born on 12 July 1828 and would have been two years old in 1830. Both Samuel 6 and his sister Eliza J. 6 (nee Stockton) Cavender are shown in the 1850 census as born in Kentucky.

Luke Munsell’s 1818 map of Kentucky clearly shows the location of Stockton's Valley and Poplar Mountain. It also shows Spring Creek, Smith Creek, Clear Fork of Spring Creek, and Ill Will Creek as all being in Stockton’s Valley. Luke Munsell’s map also shows that Gap Creek, Otter Creek and Beaver Creek to be on the northeast side of Poplar Mountain and not in Stockton’s Valley.

1850 Macoupin County, Illinois, pp. 296B, 297A, 21 Nov 1850
John T Wood, 49, m, Ky [From Stockton’s Valley, Clinton County, Kentucky.]
Susan Wood, 46, f, Ills
Parminda C Wood, 23, f, Ky
Abigail Wood, 16, f, Ills
Thomas J Wood, 12, m, Ills
Samuel Stockton, 23, m, Ky [Son of Davis 5 and Elizabeth (nee Bertram) Stockton.]
Mary E Stockton, 20, f, Ky [Daughter of John T. and Susan Wood.]
Cordelia Stockton, 7/12, f, Ky [Cordelia 7 Stockton]

1850 Macoupin County, Illinois, p. 299A, 23 Nov 1850
David N Cavender, 29, m, NH, Farmer
Eliza J Cavender, 22, f, Ky [Daughter of Davis 5 and Elizabeth (nee Bertram) Stockton.]
John R Cavender, 6/12, m, Ills
Philip Tindale, 10, m, B, Mo [Last name is hard to read and is questionable.]

Next family

Davis Stockton, 51, m, Ky, Farmer [Davis 5 Stockton, son of “Smith Creek” John 4 Stockton.]
Elizabeth Stockton, 44, f, NC [Elizabeth (nee Bertram) Stockton]
Julia A Stockton, 16, f, Mo
Nancy E Stockton, 14, f, Ills
Margaret F Stockton, 12, f, Ills
Ellen M Stockton, 9, f, Ills
Emily E Stockton, 5, f, Ills
Frances M Stockton, 3, m, Ills
J__y Owens, 23, m, Md [First name is hard to read, shown in a later census as Jesse Owings.]
Lucy A Owens, 19, f, Ills [Daughter of Davis 5 and Elizabeth (nee Bertram) Stockton.]

Researchers who show Davis 5 Stockton, who married Elizabeth Bertram, as a son of Peter Harget 4 Stockton, never show a wife or children for Davis 5 Stockton, son of “Smith Creek” John 4 Stockton. It appears that the Davis 5 Stockton, who married Elizabeth Bertram, was a son of “Smith Creek” John 4 Stockton, and was not a son of Peter Harget 4 Stockton.

If anyone would like a copy of Luke Munsell’s 1818 map or a copy of the deed to “Smith Creek” John 4 Stockton’s property please contact me by e-mail. I also have a great deal of additional information for anyone who is interested.

Jerry Stockton

Re: date of death for Almeda Freeman?

jdenny309 — 2009-07-11 23:56:06Z

Thank you for date! I'll order the Macoupin paper thru interlibrary loan for that date.

Again, many thanks!

JD

Re: date of death for Almeda Freeman?

jdenny309 — 2009-07-12 01:20:25Z

Hello,

May I ask where or how you obtained this date of death for Almeda Freeman? I am curious for I had looked everywhere!
Thanks for any info.

JD

Re: date of death for Almeda Freeman?

jdenny309 — 2009-07-11 23:50:01Z

Yes, this must be Almeda Freeman! If so, I am puzzled by her death in Cook County. Can you obtain her obituary? Or, I would think there is an obit in the Carlinville paper. Any additioanl info would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!!

JD

date of death for Almeda Freeman?

jdenny309 — 2009-06-30 23:20:40Z

Almeda A. Freeman died circa 1907, Carlinville, Macoupin County, IL, and was buried in Carlinville City Cemetery. Might anyone have access to her date of death? Any information will be greatly appreciated!

Thank you.

JD

Re: date of death for Almeda Freeman?

jdenny309 — 2009-07-12 02:01:10Z

Duh to me! Of course! JD

Zabel (Julius/Ernestine)

dianemlawrence — 2009-03-13 23:28:34Z

I'm looking for information on my great grandparents who lived and died in Mt. Olive. I'm specifically looking for my great grandmother's maiden name and also the names of both of their parents. Is there a way to access the Mt. Olive Herald obituaries from the 1910s through 1920s?
Thanks

Re: my grandfather

grigsbysharon — 2009-03-06 04:53:47Z

Florann, I am not related to your family, but I do like in VIRDEN, Illinois. I will check to see if the weekly newspaper or our small library has old copies of the weekly published newspapers going back that far. If so, I will do some checking to see if there is any information about your father and his parents. I'll let you know what I find out.
Sharon

Caswell Sullivan Family (Burial Information)

w_maxey_indiana — 2009-04-02 00:39:24Z

Does anyone have any information they can share for William Caswell.

William Caswell
Birth: 1788
Scotland/Kentucky
Death: abt 1870
Illinois

Anyone no of a burial record.

Nathan Walker

tddoor — 2009-04-06 12:30:33Z

Looking for information on Nathan Walker born about 1808. Living in Illinois in 1848 through the 1850 census. Looking specifically for his death date and records. He died sometime in the 1850's probably in the Woodburn area of Illinois. His wife Emeline is listed as a widow in the 1860 census living in MA. He had two sons John and Charles E. Walker. Thanks. Rebecca Dexter

my dad I never got to know

marymachuga — 2009-07-11 02:54:21Z

would love to talk to anyone that knew my dad or anything about the machuga family history

any info on elmer machuga

marymachuga — 2009-07-12 19:33:13Z

I would appreciate any info or records or photos of elmer machuga from mt.olive IL macoupin county. I am his daughter that only knew him for about 5 yrs as he shot himself when I was about 5. I love and miss him so much. thank you

Re: SHAWS POINT BAPTIST CHURCH

Timothy_Holly — 2009-08-13 14:46:20Z

Betty,

James T. Colyar, had only 4 children who live to adulthood, Rosaley, Ellen, Jimmy and Albert. My mother knew them all. No Issac in this family. I'm very interested though in your spelling of Colyar. You have Colyars living in Macoupin Co. Ill. in the late 19th century?

Cordially, Tim Holly stiggyant@aol.com

McOupin Courthouse

TLHoper — 2009-06-01 22:50:08Z

Good evening listmembers,

I am currently looking to obtain a copy of the marriage certificate of

EBEL, EMIL & SHEPPERDSON, MARY LOUISA
1877-12-13 01 /251 9250 MACOUPIN

I am hoping it has information on both sets of parents and where the individuals were born.

Thank you in advance for any help.

Lori
Kingsland, Georgia, USA

Re: McKechan

dweiler181 — 2009-01-27 20:35:59Z

Do any of the Mckechans in Gilespie have ties to the McNairs in Gilespie. I have a marriage between a Donald and a Gieles McKechan with at least 3 boys born early 1800 Scotland. McNairs began arivving in Gilespie in early 1900 and I am search this family.

Dennis

Re: Williamson family in 1850

ShariPhillipsHorton13 — 2008-11-14 22:08:12Z

Thanks for the info on John Williamson. I did look at Patsy in 1850, etc. The William Williamson in the 1850 census does not match my William (b. 1832). This William also appears in later census with John and Patsy. If I remember correctly, William was born in 1825. Surely, there would not be that much difference in age in censuses.
I know ages vary in years due to errors and people guessing.
Also, I am looking at the 1790-1800 birth year for John Williamson---and the ages of chidlren and wife in 1840 census. To me, John was likely married before with children. Will look at again. I may be seeing something that is not there!!!!

There were only two Williamsons (that I know of) in 1860 Madison Co. IL where my William m. Sarah Thornton in 1858. The other was Edward---and I think he was in jail. I noticed the bio for John Williamson to Sinai Murphy. In 1860 Madison Co. IL, there is a Joseph Murphy living near my William. Also, I find it strange that John and Sinai do not show in the Macoupin Co. IL census if they came to that area in 1851. Maybe Sinai had another name that she used of and on.

The name of Elizabeth Ellen and Sarah Ellen is BIG in the Gelder and Thornton lines. I thought there might be a connection to Williamson line with the name of Elizabeth Ellen. John Thornton came to America with his father, Richard. Richard bought land in 1831. I believe Richard was m. to Hannah--and she remarried Thomas Ronksley after Richard died after 1840 and before 1850. The Thorntons came from Yorkshire, ENG. John Thornton was b. in 1803--and m. Mary Elizabeth Gelder (d/o John and Elizabeth Shearburn Gelder). Several girls were named Elizabeth Ellen, Sarah Ellen, Sarah Elizabeth, Lucinda Ellen, Luellen/Luella, Eleanors took the name of Ellen. Also, English used Hannah as a variation for Eleanor/Elinor.
I "suspect" Richard Thornton to have been married to Ellen/Elinor Lambert. Just getting into that research.

In Madison Co. IL, 1860, Charles Way, is living next door to William and Sarah Thornton Williamson. I noticed many Way surnames in Macoupin Co. IL. I do know the Gelders and Thorntons were first in Greene Co. IL, but did not stay long.

Thanks for you assistance. I will not pester you anymore. I do believe there is another Thornton line that is connected to Bourbon Co. KY in Macoupin and Pike Co. IL. Trying to figure out Ellen Thornton, b. 1821. She m. Thomas Ronksley---as did Hannah Thornton. They may have been the same woman, but doubt it. Hannah has a tombstone at Gelder Cemetery. Her birth year would be about 1789. I am thinking the Thomas that m. Ellen Thornton was the s/o Thomas and Hannah Thornton Ronksley. HOWEVER, I can find no marriage for Thomas to Hannah in Macoupin Co. IL. Will try another county.

Thanks again.
Shari

Re: Shires/Thornton/Gelder/Shearburn/Story/Williamson

ShariPhillipsHorton13 — 2009-01-19 19:36:24Z

Correction:

I accidently inserted the name of Jacob in John Gelder's name. I was looking at another man at the time I typed it. John was John Gelder. And he died in 1853, not 1851.

Also, from my mom's writings, it appears that she did not know that the Thorntons had come to America pre-1848. I recently discovered from my brother that Mary Elizabeth Gelder Thornton took daughters, Sarah and Eleanor (Ellen) back to ENG in 1846. They came back to America in 1848.
It appears the Thorntons came to America shortly after Sarah Thornton was born in ENG on 15 April 1837.

Re: McOupin Courthouse

IlliniMom2 — 2009-06-07 15:10:33Z

Did you get this info from the online database of the Il Archives? Here is the link for how to obtain the orignal marriage records.

http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/archives/marrc...

Searching the database for marriages, it looks like both the marriage record and marriage application are available from IRAD in Springfield.

" If IRAD does have marriage records for the county you are searching and for the pertinent time period, write the appropriate IRAD depository and include in your letter all of the information on the marriage given in the Illinois Statewide Marriage Index.. Marriage record searches are free, but a small copy fee will be billed for records found."

Illinois Regional Archives Depository
LIB 144
University of Illinois at Springfield
One University Plaza, MS BRK 140
Springfield IL 62703-5407
Telephone: (217) 206-6520

Re: Peter Hoecker married Catherine Darsam

cjm35 — 2009-01-21 21:29:00Z

Please contact me via e/m cjmich35@ameritech.net