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Re: Albert Anderson

RBestrom7380 — 2009-10-24 18:58:55Z

Kathy,
Please email me. Click on my name for my Email address.
Ron Bestrom

Re: Oakley - abreviation of PA

Tree_Digger — 2009-10-20 18:22:14Z

That's true you did, but it is my opinion that much of your information falls under copyright infringement especially copying information from family trees and emails, therefore, I did not want to take the chance and have my response deleted because this is something that is useful for all to know when doing research.

Rene'

Re: Oakley - abreviation of PA

RBestrom7380 — 2009-10-20 17:19:17Z

In my other two postings I had said the same thing and used the same link.

Re: Oakley - abreviation of PA

Tree_Digger — 2009-10-20 09:48:36Z

This also means "declaration of intent". You can find out more about this by going here:

http://www.archives.gov/genealogy/naturalization/naturalizat...

Rene'

Re: Oakley

RBestrom7380 — 2009-10-19 21:30:11Z

Today, I received an off-list email from Kathy. I don't respond off-list for research or questions (except for very rare occasions, or to thank someone for comments, or agree with them about other information received was wrong). I like to keep all research ON list, for the benefit of future researchers using the archives. Here is the email and answers:

----- Original Message -----
From: "AzGibsonClan"
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 9:03

> You talked about my great grandmother Lula Allen and not being able to
> find her in the 1900 census, she actuually is named Thisbe Louise Allen
> and is in the 1900 Utah census living with her family. Her father is Daniel
> Allen and they lived in Teasdale,Ut where she was born.

I could not find her living in Teasdale in 1900. I did find the below:
The 1900 Census for Orangeville, Emery Co, Utah
Daniel Allen, born Jan 1838, 42, born in Utah to father born in Oio, mother in Tennessee
Georgina, born August 1866, 33, born in Utah to father born in Ohio, mother in England.
Louisa, born Nov 1886, 13, born in Utah
Knoltan(as written, probably Knowlton), born January 1889 in Utah
John R, born Jan 1889 in Utah
Willard C, born July 1893 in Utah
Amy A, born Dec 1895 in Utah.
Nettie G. Allen, born Feb 1899 in Utah.

The US Census and the Social Security Death Index shows her age a bit later than 1886. The SSDI shows Nov 1888, which is more consistent with her age as listed in the Census. This might just be an enumerator error.

While there is not enough information for me to accept this is the correct family, I found three other family trees on Ancestry.com that shows this is the family of Louisa. Although three other's have this family, I would have to be provided additional information for proof. BUT, it is not necessary in this search, as her family is not in contention.
---From one of the trees:
Thisbe Louise (Lula) Allen, born 30 Nov 1886 in Teasdale, Wayne Co, UT, died 29 Mar 1981 in Burley, Cassia, ID, buried Marion Cemetery, Oakley, Cassia Co, ID.
Father: Daniel James Allen, born 2 Jan 1860 in Provo, UT, died 8 Dec 1928 in Cascade, Valley Co, ID.
Mother: Martha Georgenia Hanks, 20 August 1867 in Parley Park, Summit Co, UT. Died 12 Jan 1902 in Orangeville, Emery, UT.

> Our problem is finding where where my ggrandfather came from and his
> family. I do have a copy of their marriage certificate and it states he was
> from Sweden, I tend to lean that way only because he was the one giving
> the info. On the census there are different birth places because there
> probably were different people giving the info.

While there isn't PROOF that he came from Sweden, that information is consistent with information found. Although the history of events in Scandinavia at the time might have a roll in where he actually lived (Norway was part of Sweden. I had found several persons identified as being Swedish, while in fact they were Norwegians). I don't question the fact he came from Sweden.

> I would love to find out his place of naturalization but I am confused as
> where to begin to look. He claimed to live in Moline,Ill and he married my
> ggrandmother in Quincy,Plumas,Ca then they moved to Id where he lived
> until he died. He claimed to work his way out west from Ill working on the
> railroad so I don't which state to look. If you might any advice as to how to
> determine this it would be greatly appreciated. ...Any advice you may have
> is greatly appreciated.

A family tree by "Charles" CIDEka@aol.com shows her marriage was 19 June 1907 in Quincy, Plumas County, CA. Charles also wrote:
Note: SOURCE: Ancestral File, ver 4.16 / IGI,1994, ver 3.05; Ba: H002084; C ONFLICT: gives dob 30 Nov 1887 / Fam Rec in Poss Charles Irwin Davis , 279 Hillsdale St, Eureka, CA 95501-1720 [ca 1995] [Copied from unda ted Family Group Records, original origin and sources unknown]; Alter nate Spelling: Lulu ALLENSOURCE: Ancestral File, ver 4.16 / IGI,1994 , ver 3.05; Ba: H002084; CONFLICT: gives dob 30 Nov 1887 / Fam Rec i n Poss Charles Irwin Davis, 279 Hillsdale St, Eureka, CA 95501-1720 [ ca 1995] [Copied from undated Family Group Records, original origin a nd sources unknown]; Alternate Spelling: Lulu ALLEN

Her mother died in Orangeville, 1902, she married in Quincy, CA, in 1907. Both Orangeville and Quincy are SMALL communities. By 1910, they were in Twin Falls, ID. Twin Falls "should" have a city directory (listing of persons living in a populated area) by 1910. Although that far back, most had listings of the head of household and didn't show the spouse, but you might get lucky. IF there is such a listing, it might show them in an earlier edition than 1910 (1908 if you're REALLY lucky, 1909 possibly). After 1910, it should show them, then they disappear, showing about the time they moved to Cassia County. You would need to post in Twin Falls.

As to his naturalization. I did give you a link where you could ask for the research, it does cost $20.00 just for the information, then another $20.00 to $35.00 for the documents. But, first, I would try the less costly approach. To become naturalized (again, read the link first link for the process of naturalization I had given you), the person must file in court his Declaration of Intent (to immigrate). It is done in the Superior Court of the County where he lived, or at a US District Court. The US District Courts in Idaho were in Boise, Pocatello, Coeur d'Alene, and Moscow. I wouldn't think he would have gone to one of those. My GUESS, again it is MY GUESS, "IF" he filed at all, it would have been in Twin Falls. The 1910 census "indicated" he had filed, (the "Pa" on the Census). With his moving around, single, until 1906, I (My Guess) would think he just didn't do it. After 1906, his wife "might" have pushed the issue (My Guess). But, in ANY Event, you're first logical place to look is in Twin Falls. Idaho uses the system of seven judicial districts, each with its own administrative judge who is chosen for the post by the district’s other judges. Each county has a District Court, which includes a Magistrate Division. Each District Court also has its own set of rules. There are 41 district judges and 87 magistrate judges in the state. Twin Falls AND Cassia County are in the 5th District.
http://www.co.twin-falls.id.us/5thDistrict2/index.htm
each having a separate court. A call (or visit) to the court clerk could be made to ask about their immigration records. I would suggest a LOCAL volunteer to try that. As the immigration process link I gave you yesterday shows, some court clerks do not know the process or genealogy for that matter, so they just might say the records were given to NARA. A LOCAl researcher would know how to ask them.

For a local researcher, again...Try the Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness volunteers:
Twin Falls: http://www.raogk.org/idaho2.htm
Cassia County: http://www.co.twin-falls.id.us/5thDistrict2/index.htm
Ask the Twin Falls person first (READ THE GUIDELINES). Ask them to look look for immigration records at the District Court in Twin Falls. The Court Clerk would HAVE to know they have them. Also ask if there are City Directories (Polks) back to 1910 (back to about 1900) and forward to about 1920. If so, look for Albert Anderson (there may be more than one, HOPEFULLY one would show his spouse).
Then, after the Twin Falls person provides an answer, then go to the Cassia County and ask the same thing.

If you want to pay the search fee of $20.00, go ahead and try the link given yesterday. One other reason I don't believe he was naturalized: To obtain land under the Homestead Act, you have to prove naturalization. He didn't obtain farm land in this manner. BUT, he may not have wanted to, he may have obtained land in another way, he may not have known about the system.

Twin Falls Rootsweb Board:
http://boards.ancestry.com/localities.northam.usa.states.ida...

Ron Bestrom

Re: Oakley

RBestrom7380 — 2009-10-18 19:57:14Z

See my comments in both postings on the use of "Pa" in the 1910 Census. You had indicated again it was "pending application". It means "Papers" have been filed.

Re: Oakley

RBestrom7380 — 2009-10-18 19:55:11Z

In my reply of last night, I wrote:
> --The "Pa" is to the question whether naturalized or alien. The abbreviation means "Papers", _NOT_ Pending Application as indicated by the other. (I had brought this to their attention before). This means he has filed his papers for citizenship. The process was a FIVE year process.

I'll add more to this explanation. In the instructions to the enumerators is found for the 1900 Census:
151. Column 18. Naturalization.—If the persons is a native of the United States, leave the column blank. If he was born abroad, and has taken no steps toward becoming an American citizen, write "Al" (for alien). If he has declared his intention to become an American citizen and taken out his "first" papers, write "Pa" (for papers). If he has become a full citizen by taking out second or final papers of naturalization, write "Na" (for naturalized).

THAT was the instruction, and also where "Pa" is used. In my comment of last night, I also said:
>"It is not known if these papers was his Declaration of Intention; or the Petition for Citizenship."

While that is not true based on the instructions, I have found persons having filed their petition for naturalization still being shown incorrectly as "Pa" by the enumerator.
So, the correct comment should be:
"IF" the enumerator was accurate in the use of "Pa", then the person had filed his Declaration of Intent to become a citizen; BUT, if they were not accurate, the person "might" have filed his Petition for Citizenship and not yet naturalized.
In the case of Albert Anderson, finding his naturalization documents would prove the answer. But, if he arrived in 1885/1890 as identified on census forms, and had not been naturalized by 1910, it is "my" thought, he hadn't. Naturalization was easier before 1906; but perhaps under the 1906 law, he decided he had better apply.

Ron Bestrom

Re: Oakley

RBestrom7380 — 2009-10-18 07:10:53Z

Kathy,

I did a quick search on Ore-Ida, but couldn't find any reference to Anderson's. But, since it is not really what you need, I only post the following:
"Ore-Ida Potato Products, Inc. was founded by Idaho farmers F. Nephi Grigg and his brother Golden Grigg in 1952 with the development of a potato-processing facility located in Oregon, near the border of the state of Idaho.

Your other posting on this family:
http://boards.rootsweb.com/thread.aspx?o=0&m=236.3&p...

You already have the 1930 Census information from the above, you may also have the other census data, But, I will add pertinent information and correct errors made by the other "poster".

You had indicated Lula was born "Allen". I did a search for her in the 1900 census, without "confirmed" success. I also searched for Albert Anderson, there was one in Mullen, Idaho, but nothing to even begin to confirm. If you have full dates of birth, it is important to post them in your inquiries. Always post sufficient information that you have to help the researcher. I can go back to look if you have that.
Also, this "Albert Anderson" was born in Sweden, around 1877. The naming system "patronymics" was still in effect at the time. So, Anderson was probably not a "surname" as we know it. It meant simply, son of Anders. So, he could have been Andersson, Andersson, Anderson. His missing brothers might not have taken that name, but instead took the farm name, or the name of the area where they had lived. This is common. If he had "jumped ship", he might not have even been an Anderson. Scandinavian parish records are very good; but you need to do the research here first.

The 1910 Census for Milner, Twin Falls County, Idaho, enumerated 23 May, 1910.
Albert Anderson, age 34, born in Sweden to both parents born in Sweden, immigrated 1890, "Pa", speaks English, employed as a Teamster/own team. He was married 4 years. They were renting their property.
Lula T, age 22, born in Utah to both parents born in Utah, mother of two/both living.
Albert L, 2, born in California
Daniel V(appears to be "V"), age 9/12, born in California.
--The "Pa" is to the question whether naturalized or alien. The abbreviation means "Papers", _NOT_ Pending Application as indicated by the other. (I had brought this to their attention before). This means he has filed his papers for citizenship. The process was a FIVE year process. It is not known if these papers was his Declaration of Intention; or the Petition for Citizenship. For the process, see:
http://www.archives.gov/genealogy/naturalization/naturalizat...
You can try to get a copy of his immigration documents...costly, but worth it.
http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.eb1d4c2a3e5b...
If found, these documents should show where in Sweden he lived.
--Daniel was shown as 9/12ths. The census was enumerated on 23 May. So, Daniel was born about July/August 1909...IF the enumerator was correct in math. (He was born 7 July, so the math was a bit off).

The 1920 Census for the Boulder Farm District, Cassia County, ID, enumerated on 2 January 1920, by Emma McIntosh. Enumeration District 131, Supervisors District No 2.
Albert A. Anderson, age 45, born in "Utah?"(as written on the form) to both parents born in Sweden, farmer/general farm. Owned his property.
Lulu, age 31, born in Utah to both parents born in the United States
Albert Jr, 12, California
Vaness, 11, California
Raymond 9, California
-------Also in 1920:
The 1920 Census for Locust, Cassia County, Idaho, enumerated 1 Feb. by W.A. Martin (as appears). Enumeration District 136, Supervisors District 2
Anderson (no first name provided), age 47, born in Illinois to both parents born in Sweden, farmer/general farm
Lula, 32, born in Utah to both parents born in Utah
Albert 12 11/12, born in CA (based on enumeration date, born about March 1907).
Vaness 11 6/12, CA (still appears to be born about July/August, but now about 1908)
Raymond 9 4/12, Idaho. (born about Oct/Nov 1910)
--If both of these 1920 Census are correct, Lulu born sometime in January, as she aged 1 year between these two enumerations.
---The names of "Locust" and "Boulder Farm District" are Precinct names, not necessarily the names of towns.
---The OTHER poster identified "They must have moved to Locust, Cassia Co. later in 1920". There is no proof that they moved. The only "Fact" we have is they were counted twice by two different persons. Also notice, BOTH enumerations were in Enumeration District 131, Supervisor's District 2. So, it "appears possible" that BOTH enumerations were done at the SAME PLACE. The ONLY way to determine the facts are property records at the Cassia County Assessor. The map for the enumeration district could also help in determination. Guessing has no place in genealgoy research.
--another problem in both enumerations is the wrong birth place of Albert, and also the unknown birth places of both of Lula's parents. This "sometimes" is caused by someone other than the persons giving the information. I have also seen families having "similar" backgrounds appearing to be the same; but there probably is not another family in this location having ALL of the similarities.

The 1930 Census for Locust, Cassia County, ID, enumerated April 5th
Albert Anderson, 53, born in Sweden to both parents born in Sweden, immigrated in 1885, "Na"(means naturalized), farmer, owned his property.
Lula C, 40, born in Utah to both parents born in Utah.
Vaness, 20, born in California, laborer/farm
Raymond C, 19, born in Idaho, laborer/general farm
--last name on previous page
Albert Anderson, age 22, first marriage age 22, born in California, to father born in Sweden, mother in Utah, farmer, is renting.
Ora, age 17, married at 17, born in Idaho to both parents born in Utah.

The Social Security Death Index, Lula Anderson, born 30 Nov 1888, died March 1981, "last residence" Burley, Cassia Co, ID. The "last residence" is not always where a person actually lived, but in this case, probably so.

Albert L. Anderson, married Oct 19, 1929, in Burley, Cassia Co, to Ora Martin. Record can be found in the marriage book at the County Courthouse in Cassia Co, ID, Volume 4, page 304. (County Auditor's office).

The Social Security Death Index:
Albert Anderson, born 5 Jan 1908, died Nov 1983, "last residence" in Burley, Cassia Co, ID.

This page shows a funeral notice for Albert "Shorty" Anderson in Burley, 1949. http://www.idahohistory.net/Index/I%20B%20I_A_2006_sorted.pd...

Vanness Anderson married Verda Cole on 7 March 1931 at American Falls, Power Co, Idaho.

Vanness D. Anderson born 7 July 1909, died 26 Dec 1991 in Burley.

The Bureau of Land Management (BLM) http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/ has a database of land obtained through the Homestead Act:
http://www.legendsofamerica.com/AH-Homestead.html has land obtained by this family. Click on "Search Land Patents". Enter your Zip Code, click on the tab for "Standard". Enter last name of "Anderson", County of "Cassia".
On the two pages, you will find land obtained by Albert (Jr), Raymond C. and Vanness. Click on the name of Vanness, you will see he obtained 280 acres of land on March 9, 1955. Click on the tab for Legal Land Description.
This shows his land was in Township 13-S(South), Range 22-East
a. Section 1, the West half of the South West Corner
b. Section 1, the South West part of the NW corner
c. Section 2, The East half of the SE corner
d. Section 2, the SE partof the NE corner
e. Section 11, the Northeast part of the Northeast corner.
If you do not know where this land was located, repost and I can show you how to find it via your computer.
There is no record of the land owned by Albert Sr, so he probably bought it privately.

I found a family tree posted on Ancestry.com, owned by a "Lyssrobles". It shows Vanness Anderson was born 7 July 1909, died 26 Dec 1991, in Burley, Cassia Co. son of Shorty Anderson, married Verda Cole and three children. It showed no additional information on Shorty.

I don't know where you live, but for Cassia County, you need a LOCAL researcher. There are two volunteers listed on the Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness. Read the guidelines first. You can't ask more than one person at a time. http://www.raogk.org/idaho.htm

I did try to find newspaper records, information from books, without success.

Enough on this tonight. If you do "write a book", post the source of the information, such as the census records, marriage records. You don't need to identify the name of persons that find it for you, ESPECIALLY if the information is wrong.

Ron Bestrom

Re: Oakley

judyartley53 — 2009-10-17 05:34:01Z

Hi Kathy,
Albert Anderson and family in 1910 were living in Milner, Twin Falls Co., ID.
Albert Anderson, b. Sweden, 34 years old, immigrated 1890, pending application for citizenship, marr 4 yrs, teamster own team.
Lula T., wife, b. UT, 22.
Albert L., b. CA, 2.
Daniel V., b. CA, 9/12ths.

In 1920 the family was living in Boulder Farm, Cassia Co., ID.
Albert A. Anderson, b. UT? [question mark appears on Census], 45, general farmer.
Lula, wife, b. UT, 31.
Albert, b. CA, 12.
Vaness, b. CA, 11.
Raymond, b. ID, 9.

They must have moved to Locust, Cassia Co. later in 1920.
____ Anderson, b. IL, both parents b. Sweden, 47, general farmer.
Lula, b. UT, 32.
Albert, b. CA, 12 11/12ths.
Vaness, b. CA, 11 6/12ths.
Raymond, b. ID, 9 4/12ths.

In 1930 Albert and family were living in Locust, Cassia Co., ID.
Albert Anderson, b. Sweden, 53, immigrated 1895, naturalized before the 1930 Census, married @ 32, farmer.
Lula C., wife, b. UT, 40, marr @ 18.
Vaness, b. CA, 20, single, laborer farm.
Raymond C., b. ID, 19, single, laborer farm.

If you use this info in a book, please give me lookup credit. Successful Searching!

Re: Claude Raymond Lattimer

shehudson — 2009-10-15 00:19:21Z

I just wanted to say that I am the grandchild of Claude Raymond Lattimer. My dad was Dick Lattimer and was the child of Claude and his first wife Vita Viola Nation. I don't know what information you have but I would love to know if there is a connection with my family of Lattimers and a Rollie Lattimer and Vina Lattimer from Nebraska.

Oakley

hmjgibson_1 — 2009-07-07 15:16:00Z

Looking for my great grandfather still. His name was Albert (Shorty) Andeerson. His wife was Lula Allen, they lived in the Oakley area for several years and farmed and also had teams of cattle. He had sons Albert,Vanness & Ray. They farmed and then joined up with the Grigg Bros and helped form Ore-Ida. If anyone has any ifo please pass it on we have hit a brick wall.
Thanks
Kathy Gibson
azgibsonclan@yahoo.com

Re: Burley

DScott500 — 2009-06-08 15:13:35Z

From what I could find out it was four men who helped found Burley. They were Josiah E. Miller, William T. Jack, W. L. Burton and S. H. Hayes. It was originally named Commerce but later changed to Burley in honor of a passenger agent for the Oregon Short Line Railroad named David E. Burley.
I couldn't find anything on Bernard Farr.

Re: Albert Anderson

hmjgibson_1 — 2009-05-31 12:57:36Z

Thanks for the response yes I know Carolyn Anderson she is my aunt. Yes they were big in potatoes and with Ore-Ida. We just don't know much about my great-grandfather Albert (Shorty) Anderson. If you know of someone who may have know the family earlier it would be great. I would love to know.
Thanks
Kathy Gibson
azgibsonclan@yahoo.com

Re: Burley

betmark2 — 2009-05-31 12:55:31Z

My husband's ancestors were from the Burley, Oakley & Cottonwood areas. Their names were Rivers, Rose & Poulton circa 1882. His mother was born in Burley 1907.

Re: Burley

betmark2 — 2009-05-30 08:24:09Z

Oops! Forgot McLaws and Gardner...

Re: Burley

robertcarmody60 — 2009-05-29 21:20:15Z

MY MEMORY SAYS A "MILLER"

Re: Burley

robertcarmody60 — 2009-05-29 21:20:15Z

MY MEMORY SAYS A "MILLER"

Re: Albert Anderson

robertcarmody60 — 2009-05-29 21:14:18Z

ANDERSON IS A BIG NAME IN BURLEY/OAKELY. I GREW UP HEARING THE NAME OFTEN AS MY FATHER WAS IN THE PRODUCE(POTATO) BUSINESS. I MIGHT EVEN BE RELATED TO ONE OF THEM. ONE OF THEIR DAUGHTERS IS CAROLYN TAYLOR (NO LONGER MARRIED) BUT STILL IN BURLEY I BELIEVE. IF I CAN BE OF FURTHER ASSISTANCE PLEASE LET ME KNOW.

Re: Bates in Oakley, ID

2008-09-09 04:31:53Z

I am not sure when the Bates came to Idaho but I have found that
Erin Lafayette Bates, Sr. died in Oakley in 1897. Were your people
also from Tooele, Utah? Why did they go to Oakley?

Bertha May Fairchild

2003-03-02 02:50:35Z

My Aunt, Bertha Skaggs, was born in Kentucky May 19, 1894. She married Thomas H. Rose and later divorced then married Ezra Fairchild. She died in Burley on May 29, 1949. My family does not know what cemetery she is buried in or very little else about her life there. If anyone can tell us anything, we would be grateful. Marilyn Ferguson

Re: Looking for William Orchard II

RBestrom7380 — 2008-05-13 06:56:50Z

Many genealogy researchers respond with research on families being sought on the message boards. But, without SOME information on the person such as date of birth, place of birth, parents, siblings, etc., these postings are pretty much ignored.

If you desire some help, post as much information as you might have on these persons. Another question, if they lived in Southern California, why are you posting in the Cassia County Message Board for the State of Idaho?

Reunion for Descendants of Early Almo Settlers

durffam — 2007-05-02 02:52:15Z

A "Reunion in the Park" will be held Saturday, June 30, 2007, in Almo, Cassia, Idaho. We will start at 10 AM, with a potluck dinner at about 12:30 PM. We will tour the valley, pointing out some of the old homesteads, visit the cemetery, and share pictures, histories, etc.
Reply to this thread for more information!

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