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Re: Copper Smelter Douglas AZ 1920's - 1930's

mustang69sal — 2013-06-05 04:24:12Z

My mother was born in Douglas AZ in 1918. He dad work in the Copper Mines there. Her dad was Albert H. Pruitt.
Debbie

Re: Cattarina and James Caretto

jmaykel — 2013-05-13 07:27:39Z

I just stumbled across your post written several years ago and hope that you will run across mine!

I am also related to the Berutto-Caretto family of Bisbee, Arizona. My grandfather was James Berutto who was born in Bisbee. His parents and most, if not all, of his siblings were born in Alicia Superiore in the Piemonte region of Italy. One of his sisters may have been born at sea while the family was immigrating.

My sister-in-law recently found an article in a 1921 edition of the "Tombstone Epitaph" which highlighted a singing recital of Baptiste Berutto and a Miss Caretto.

Re: Nino Cochise, Looking for any information on him

rjstahl — 2013-05-06 01:32:26Z

Nick
Don't know if I responded to your email of 2003 as my luck with message boards has not been the best.
Anyway, please let me know what you know about your parents and other ancestors as we could trace it back to Cochise if that was possible. Cochise had only two sons, only one had children and that was Niache. Several Niache descendants still live on the Mescelaro Reservation near the Ruidoso, and they could help confirm whether you are or not related to Cochise. On the other hand, Nino told a lot about Cochise and others that was inaccurate and of no historical value other than to further his own stories and people's interests in him.
Nino was not related to Cochise. The Chiricahua Apaches at Mescelaro agree 100 percent he was not related to Cochise in any way.
If you want to contact me further on this, please use info below rather than message board.
Bob
1644 West Laredo Street
Chandler, AZ 85224-8243
HOME 480-732-0211 CELL 480-593-0368
rjstahl@asu.edu

Re: Nino Cochise, Looking for any information on him

rjstahl — 2013-05-06 01:22:18Z

Greetings
Please forgive my lateness in responding.

Just got a message yesterday that someone had responded to my Ancestry Message Board item on Nino Cochise, and when I opened it up, found five messages that had not previously ‘come up’ on that message board, your message was one of them.

My computer could not open http://www.confirmation4u.com/carladams.html

Please let me know how else I can get those stories of Nino.
Thanks
Bob
1644 West Laredo Street
Chandler, AZ 85224-8243
HOME 480-732-0211 CELL 480-593-0368
rjstahl@asu.edu

Re: Obituary request

DorothySwanson369 — 2013-05-04 20:31:29Z

Thank you so much. Dorothy

Re: Obituary request

NLAustin — 2013-05-03 12:12:34Z

Dorothy,

Feb 2, 1962
Bisbee Daily Review

John West Prentice

John West Prentice, 58, died unexpectantly Thursday afternoon at his residence in Sunset Acres.

Mr. Prentice came to the Bisbee area in 1956 from Globe, Ariz., and had been employed as a carpenter at Fort Huachuca until recently.

Further detail and arrangements will be announced by Dugan Funeral Chapel.

February 4, 1962
Bisbee Daily Review

John W. Prentice

Funeral services for John W. Prentice 58, Bisbee resident who died Thursday, will be held Monday at 4 p.m. in the Dugan Chapel. Officiating will be Rev. Richard Obden.

Pallbearers will be C C Jackson, Ted Gilland, John Cowling, Everett Waters, Boyd Decker, Harold Sleener.

Burial will be in Evergreen Cemetery.

Nancy

Re: Obituary

DorothySwanson369 — 2013-05-03 03:58:30Z

Thank you so very much. Yes, I would like to have his also. Thank you, Dorothy

Re: Obituary

NLAustin — 2013-05-03 01:59:46Z

June 23, 1961
Bisbee Daily Review

Mrs. John Prentice

Mrs. Eula M. Prentice, 51, died suddenly Thursday afternoon at the Douglas Hospital after a short illness. She resided on Bower Street in Sunset Acres.

Mrs. Prentice was born in Lindsay, Oklahoma, and moved to the Bisbee area about 4 years ago by way of Globe, Arizona, from Elko, Nevada.

She is survived by her husband, John W. of Bisbee; one son, John Nelson, of Wells, Nevada; one sister, Mrs. Donna Bean, of Chuella, Washington; and her Mother, Mrs. Della Butler, of Santa Cruz, California also 3 grandchildren.

Funeral arrangements will be announced by the Dugan Funeral Chapel.

June 24, 1961
Bisbee Daily Review

Mrs. Eula Prentice

Funeral Services for Mrs. Eula Prentice, 51, who died Thursday afternoon at the Douglas Hospital, will be held at 4 p.m. Monday in Dugan Chapel.

Rev. Bobby J. Young of the Emmanuel Baptist Church will officiate. Burial will be in Evergreen Cemetery.

I know at one point you were looking for John's obituary. I have it if you are interested.

Nancy

Re: Obituary Sierra Vista

7vette4 — 2013-05-02 21:49:06Z

Thank you so much.

Re: Nino Cochise, Looking for any information on him

rjstahl — 2013-05-02 16:57:08Z

Greetings
Don't have a website set up as yet, but plan to.
Am hoping to finish my Nino research this year, and looks like he was a white man with no Native American blood.
But have some new leads, and we'll see where these take me and what credible documents I can locate along the way.
Best wishes.
Bob in Chandler, AZ

Re: Nino Cochise, Looking for any information on him

rjstahl — 2013-05-02 16:54:23Z

Greetings
Sorry for the late response to your reply of 2005.
For whatever reason, just got a new message and several other old ones popped up for the first time.
Nino was one of the last buried in the 'old pioneers' section of that cemetery because if he was who he said he was, he would certainly have been an old pioneer of the Tombstone area.
Nino's wife, not being either that old or a pioneer to the area was buried in the newer section of the cemetery.
I have photos of his grave site, but thank you for offering.
Hope all goes well.
Bob in Chandler, AZ

Re: Nino Cochise, Looking for any information on him

rjstahl — 2013-05-02 16:50:19Z

Dennis
Have not seen any of these in person, although I have a photo of one of them. I got involved in my research on Nino Cochise after Brownsey's and Nino's death.
I live in Chandler, AZ, and would be interested in looking at them, photographing them, and perhaps purchasing them. Any idea what you'd sell them for?
Bob
Cell 480-593-0368

Re: Nino Cochise, Looking for any information on him

DennisKjolso — 2013-05-02 03:46:32Z

I have no information on Nino Cochise "BUT" i do have the 4
silver medals produced by Marshal Everett l. Brownsey of Tombstone. He took the press and blank medals into the Dragoon Mountains and stamped them at the historical spot honoring each event. The four are "the sign of Cochise","the death of Cochise", "broken treaty", & "the living Cochise" the 5th medal, Cochise Honored was not minted due to the poor health of Mr. Brownsey. These medals were minted in the early and middle 70's. i am willing to sell this special set to anyone interested in this HONOR to Nino Cochise. email ceniza2849///2yahoo.com

Re: Obituary Sierra Vista

NLAustin — 2013-05-02 02:24:25Z

Sierra Vista Herald

Richard D. Kipp

Richard D. Kipp, 53, of Sierra Vista, died Monday, August 11, 1986, at the Life Care Center of Sierra Vista.

Mr. Kipp lived in Sierra Vista from 1968 until 1976, when he moved to Yellville, Ark. He returned to Sierra Vista in 1983.

Mr. Kipp served in the Army during the Korean War, and was employed as a Civil Service accountant for 25 years. He was a member and elder of the First Presbyterian Church in Yellville, Ark.

Mr. Kipp is survived by his wife, Catherine, of Sierra Vista; one son, Daniel of Benson; three step-sons, James McFarland of Palm Bay, Fla., Richard McFarland of Tucson, and Ronald McFarland of Phoenix; two step-daughters, Heidi Patch; and Gail Danford, both of Phoenix; his mother, Irene Knipple of Johnstown, Pa.; two brothers, Don Kipp of Johnstown, Pa. and James Knipple of St. Petersburg, Fla.; one sister, Shirley Davis of Osterberg, Pa.; and seven grandchildren.

Memorial services will be held tomorrow at 7 p.m. at the Hatfield Funeral Home Memorial Chapel with Dr Stanley Farmer officiating.

Flowers will be accepted or donations may be made to the Muscular Dystrophy Association, 2020 N. Forbes Blvd., Tucson, AZ 85701.

Arrangements are by the Hatfield funeral Home Inc., Sierra Vista.

Obituary

DorothySwanson369 — 2013-04-28 00:51:49Z

Would appreciate the obituary of Eula Prentice who d. June 22, 1961, Thank you so very much. Dorothy

Obituary Sierra Vista

7vette4 — 2013-04-24 00:11:17Z

I am searching for an obituary for Richard Kipp who died 8-11-1986. Lived in Sierra Vista, AZ.

Re: Copper Smelter Douglas AZ 1920's - 1930's

radrian01 — 2013-04-20 21:47:57Z

Any one know how we can find information about the family of Santos Martinez and his wife Maria Jesus Gutierrez (born betwen 1890 and 1900) from douglas Az. They was married and have 8 childrens: Santos, Josefina G (My grand ma - born 1918), Guillermo, Hector, Roberto, Armida, Carmen, Ismael and Modesto.--

We want to know our ancestry.--

Thanks
Adrian Espinoza
radrian01@hotmail.com

Re: Irene V. Knott Sproul - Whitewater grammar school teacher

martiroe — 2013-03-18 23:59:32Z

Hi Dorothy - please e-mail me
martiroe at pacbell dot net

I'm hoping he can identify other kids.

thanks

Re: Irene V. Knott Sproul - Whitewater grammar school teacher

dorothyjw56 — 2013-03-18 15:30:54Z

Hope you are still out there, my husband is Irene's grandson, and my father may be one in the pictures, George Nelson. Would love to get the pictures.

Re: Tool Inventor Scam in Cochise Co. in 1912

brianwatson55117 — 2013-02-27 07:35:55Z

Yes and there was a jason wells and Elizabeth oleary in Douglass from 1915/1920 but thats all

Re: Tool Inventor Scam in Cochise Co. in 1912

jenbeslow — 2013-02-27 06:38:28Z

Have you possibly looked at his death certificate to see if it has his birth location or his parents names? Maybe that information can give you clues as to where to start looking. If you can find information on his parents as well, you may be able to look search census records.

miller family

tunnelrat22 — 2013-02-23 17:38:31Z

according to passport info dated march 1918 william carroll miller resided in douglas az twice.first between 1896 thru 1911.returned in 1922 and stayed until his death in june 1932.about 1864 he married Frances brewington on8/18/1864 in iron county Missouri.from records i have obtained Frances filed for divorce somewhere between 1900 and 1920,have no idea when divorce was granted.understand shortly after divorce was granted she remarried.would like to know when divorce was granted and where and to whom she remarried.from papers i have there was a property dispute in divorce about the division of said property.property was worth a large sum of money and was not settled until after she had remarried.my info says new husband got property division settlement as after she remarried she died.property was said to be in douglas az and was said to be a hotel.upon his return to douglas az around 1922 he had remarried and had 4 children,william carl,francisco,john ramon and helen ellen.any info would be helpful

Johnson Family Search

cmcswain4 — 2013-02-20 17:39:43Z

Researching George William Johnson born in FL 1928-1929. Found a George buried at Southern Arizona Veterans Memorial Cemetery born in 1928 died 2006. The George I am researching has family in NC. His father was Joseph Carr Johnson born in Bladen County, NC. A relative of George's sent me the information about Arizona and I would love to find out if this is the same person both of us are looking for. If you know anything about the George buried in AZ and his ancestry, please contact me.
Carol

Re: Tool Inventor Scam in Cochise Co. in 1912

brianwatson55117 — 2013-02-18 17:40:23Z

I know he came from tennessee or kuntucky but that all any of us grand kids have And my Mom was named after his Twin sister And last i know There was a fire that burnt alot of records

Re: Tool Inventor Scam in Cochise Co. in 1912

jenbeslow — 2013-02-18 17:32:15Z

I'm not from Douglas. I currently live in Phoenix, but my family is mostly from Seattle. My knowledge of Douglas is limited. I know it is a mining town in SE AZ right on the Mexican border. Douglas has a historical society.. http://www.douglasazhistoricalsociety.org/
They may be able to provide some ideas to help with your search. It is likely your ancestors were involved in mining. The Calumet and Arizona Company was probably the company that ran the mining operation in Douglas at the time. You should try to see if the mining records could provide any information about your family. You would be amazed at what they kept track of. The Az dept of health services, office of vital records should have birth information for that time period. I know in my marriage record search for 1914 I had to scan through microfilm. I would check with them on how to possibly obtain birth records. Good luck.

Re: Copper Smelter Douglas AZ 1920's - 1930's

brianwatson55117 — 2013-02-18 13:21:07Z

Anyoe know The family of Jason wells And elizabeth oleary And there Twins jacque And jacqueline let me know were To find info On my grandpa And his parents as hey never talked of them

Re: Tool Inventor Scam in Cochise Co. in 1912

brianwatson55117 — 2013-02-18 05:18:51Z

Hi there do you have family in Douglas Arizona and were can I find info on famliy I have from there he is a mystery to his grand kids he would hsve a twin sister that were born Feb 2 1917-1920 And would like To know more On douglas arizona .

Thanks bw

Re: FIsher Family of Douglas, AZ

rctsiel — 2013-02-01 23:52:19Z

Danny is Dianne's only child. Danny is still living and lives in Willcox, Arizona about 40 miles from us. We live about 24 miles north of Douglas. We visited Danny (our cousin) and his wife 5 or so years ago and still occasionally email. If you do an ancestry.com search on Jesse Howell Fisher, there are several trees with information back one or two generations from Jesse. There is local Cochise County "Pioneer times" history associated with Jesse - good history :). I will send you a private email with my personal contact info and we can go from there to help you with additional info.

Re: FIsher Family of Douglas, AZ

BDErnst71 — 2013-02-01 21:57:09Z

Thanks for your response. My research shows so far: Jesse Howell Fisher and Mary (Graham) Fisher had two sons and a daughter (Gladys). The two sons were Edward Donald Fisher (b:9/7/13) and Gerald James Fisher (b:9/15/11). Gerald( your Uncle Jerry)and Martha Fiest were married in 1936 according to the records I found. Richard Gerald Fisher (my wifes father) was born in 1938 and died in 1994. Richard is buried next to Jerry in Douglas when I visited the cemetary a couple of years ago. Richard had a sister Diane (Dillman) who has since passed. Richard married my wifes mom in about 1960 when he was in the airforce. I could not find Danny could he be Edward Fishers son? Is Danny still alive? Do you live in Douglas or nearby? I am in Arkansas so I have to research everythine online. It is good to hear from someone in the family, I have been searching a long time.

Re: FIsher Family of Douglas, AZ

rctsiel — 2013-01-31 05:38:39Z

Is Richard Fisher and Mary your wife's parent's names?
Gerald (Jerry) Fisher was married to my Aunt Martha (Leist). Gerald is Jesse Fisher's child. I know Aunt Martha and Uncle Jerry only had one son, Danny so I think that means your wife must be Richard and Mary's child???

Re: FIsher Family of Douglas, AZ

BDErnst71 — 2013-01-30 03:46:58Z

Yes, I still am. I am particularly looking for Jess Fisher relatives or information about him such as his birth place in Missouri. My wife is his great grandaughter though his son Gerald. What do you know?

Re: FIsher Family of Douglas, AZ

rctsiel — 2013-01-27 23:25:07Z

are you still looking for info on the Fisher family of Douglas?

Re: Daniel Charles Christen- d 1925

Leiber2136 — 2013-01-08 01:13:54Z

Contact me reference Daniel Christen.

malaha@cox.net

Re: Williams, John Theodore and Marie (Maria?)

leeallen3 — 2013-01-07 01:49:41Z

Don't know if your email address is the same. Here's a suggestion for obtaining records concerning the death of an individual: Check with the local funeral home.They may also have a copy of the death certificate. Here's the address of the Willcox Funeral Home:

Westlawn Chapel & Mortuary Inc.

105 S Arizona Avenue
Willcox, AZ 85643

Telephone: (520) 384-2413
Fax: (520) 384-4060
Toll Free Phone: 1-800-999-5997
Email: westwx@vtc.net

I hope you find the information you need.

Re: HALL-HAMILTON-RIEUTORD

lleister111 — 2013-01-05 23:54:27Z

Sent you an email with information on it. Let me know if you got it. lleister@gt.rr.com

Re: HALL-HAMILTON-RIEUTORD

lleister111 — 2013-01-05 21:37:02Z

I resent the email. Did you get it? If that doesn't work, I will send you my phone number!

Re: HALL-HAMILTON-RIEUTORD

lleister111 — 2013-01-05 15:03:33Z

Yes, I will resend. Try my email - lleister@gt.rr.com. Maybe check your junk mail box?

Re: HALL-HAMILTON-RIEUTORD

betmark2 — 2013-01-05 11:33:38Z

didn't get your email.... sure you sent it to: retiredgringos@hotmail.com?????

Re: HALL-HAMILTON-RIEUTORD

lleister111 — 2013-01-04 19:11:37Z

I sent you an email this morning. Look forward to talking to you.

Re: HALL-HAMILTON-RIEUTORD

betmark2 — 2013-01-04 11:14:30Z

Good to meet you Cousin - I've "tons" of research regarding your/my ancestor James Preston Hall. It's too lengthy to post & includes photos. Please contact me at: retiredgringos@hotmail.com

Thanks,
Betty

Daniel Charles Christen- d 1925

KenNeumann134 — 2013-01-03 21:04:35Z

My brother found on "Find a Grave" website Daniel Charles Christen (b 1875, Minnesota- d 12 Dec 1925, Bisbee(?)). He is buried at Lowell Evergreen Cemetery, Bisbee, Cochise Co. This is a person whose family back in Minnesota lost track of him.
Would anyone be kind enough to find an obituary for him? Or does anyone have knowledge of a way to obtain such an obituary or death certificate? Thanks in advance for any response.
Ken Neumann Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada

Re: HALL-HAMILTON-RIEUTORD

lleister111 — 2013-01-03 03:41:30Z

Hello, I am related to James Preston Hall. He was my great uncle. My grandfather was Phil Van Hall. Please contact me.

Re: HALL-HAMILTON-RIEUTORD

lleister111 — 2013-01-03 03:41:09Z

Hello, I am related to James Preston Hall. He was my great uncle. My grandfather was Phil Van Hall. Please contact me.

james s. head

lkm30_2 — 2012-12-13 03:56:31Z

i am looking for an obituary on James S. Head...he was born in TX on Nov. 11, 1861 and died in AZ on April 16, 1934. According to Find-a-grave he is buried in the Williams Cemetry. If an obit is found it may list Della as his wife. Maybe even list possible brothers and a sister: Roy, Walter, Jim, and Ressie. I hope someone out there can help me!!!

Re: Ted Mason Sierra Vista

lillibet_cr — 2012-12-04 13:57:26Z

Your post is dated a long time ago. Since then, Ted died in July 2004.

Re: Tool Inventor Scam in Cochise Co. in 1912

jenbeslow — 2012-11-29 19:31:13Z

Thanks, I actually have the original magazine. This was his M.O. He would go from place to place scamming people. He was in prison for this in Washington, Arizona, and Idaho. There were several other arrests in various states over the years also. He left my family in Seattle after being pardoned. He continued with his scams and his collection of wives until his death in 1929.

Re: Tool Inventor Scam in Cochise Co. in 1912

betmark2 — 2012-11-29 09:41:52Z

Nineteen hundred and eleven was a bleak year for the working people of Spring Valley, Illinois. Industry was drying up, and jobs were scarce. So, naturally, residents were delighted to see the billboard below—with its carefully painted bricks and its canny perspective—rise like a promise on a hill above the Rock Island tracks. Nor were they disappointed by the man who put it there—a smooth drummer named William L. Bessolo. From a platform at the depot, he told his hungry listeners that once the factory was producing his patented wrenches, prosperity would return to Spring Valley. All he needed was a little working capital.

Speaking in Italian to the largely immigrant population, Bessolo offered shares of stock. His wife sat beside him in silence, but helped his pitch by being, as residents recall, “a good-looking woman. ” The picture of her and Bessolo bears this out; the child was probably theirs.

When an official of a local land company began to accuse Bessolo of fraud, the inventor responded at a mass meeting: couldn’t people see that work had already begun on the factory? The townspeople backed Bessolo, and eventually gave him ten thousand dollars of their money. Then, one morning, he was gone.

Frank Martinelli, a retired plumber, remembers entering the Bessolos’ apartment after they had skipped. “All we found was a case of champagne. They were living high off the hog. I helped drink it. I wanted to get something for my two hundred dollars.”

That was all the satisfaction Spring Valley citizens ever got. They did press for extradition when word came through that Bessolo had been arrested for fraud in California, but the county supervisors couldn’t afford to spend any money on the proceedings, and the inventor went to jail on the Coast.

Our thanks to Herb Hames, editor of the La Salle, Illinois, Daily News-Tribune for sending us this cautionary tale, and to Mrs. Cyril Sweeney of Spring Valley, the owner of the photograph.

We continue to ask our readers to send unusual and previously unpublished old photographs to Carla Davidson at American Heritage Publishing Co., 10 Rockefeller Plaza, New York, NY 10020. Please send a copy of any irreplaceable material, and do not mail glass negatives. AMERICAN HERITAGE will pay $50.00 for each one that is run.

Tool Inventor Scam in Cochise Co. in 1912

jenbeslow — 2012-11-29 03:10:55Z

I am curious if anyone out there has any ancestors that were involved or impacted by a scam by a tool inventor. His name was William L Bessolo. He came to Arizona and was able to convince miners, mostly Italian, to invest in his tool company with the promise of land near San Diego as a perk. I have found multiple articles in the Bisbee Bee and other papers of the time, just curious if there are any family stories handed down. I know he was able to take money from people in Bisbee, Tombstone, Morenci, Clifton, and Douglas. He was charged with mail fraud and plead guilty. He spent 11 months in the Yavapai County jail in Prescott. He was with a woman whom he called his wife. Her name was Felicia McCoy Bessolo.

Re: William Earl Simpson

BillSimpson — 2012-11-18 20:00:54Z

The information I have, Alton, is as follows: William Earl Jr. Simpson was born on 11 Jan 1934. He died in 1939 in AZ. So he only lived a short time. That is the only child I am aware of.

Bill Simpson
Burlington, NC

drbillsimpson@gmail.com

p.s. Hope Ocean Springs has recovered from Katrina!

Re: Nino Cochise, Looking for any information on him

kidstock — 2012-11-10 03:18:14Z

This might be hard to follow but I’ll try to keep it simple. My wife’s great aunt’s husband’s sister was married to Nino Cochise. Great aunt’s husband placed into my hands a large knife and sheath along with a pistol explaining these items once belonged to Nino. I always thought the items belonged in a Natural History museum rather than the bottom of a dresser drawer. Great Aunt died years ago, her husband died years later-they had no children. Great aunt did have a daughter from her first marriage.

Dave- gladesman@hotmail.com