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Charley Walthers- Germany to ???

Charley Walthers- Germany to ???

Posted: 9 Jun 2015 1:26PM GMT
Classification: Query
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Re: Charley Walthers- Germany to ???

Posted: 10 Jun 2015 12:34AM GMT
Classification: Query
to help others to help you
death cert are filled out by survivors who may get info wrong. marriage license apps and soc sec app would be filled out by joseph -hopefully he would have the correct answers.
"your" joseph?

Walthers
California Birth Index
Name: Walthers
Event Type: Birth
Event Date: 07 Jan 1922
Event Place: San Bernardino, California, United States
Gender: Female
Mother's Name: Lovelo

Name: Walthers
Event Type: Birth
Event Date: 19 Mar 1924
Event Place: San Bernardino, California, United States
Gender: Female
Mother's Name: Lovato

death of juaquin
Name: Jauguine Walthers
Event Date: 1927
Event Place: Flagstaff, Coconino, Arizona
Gender: Male
Father's Name: Joe S. Walthers
Mother's Name: Barbara Labato

1930 Alkire, Maricopa, Arizona, United States gilbert st
Joe S Walters Head M 45 New Mexico nm nm first wed 9 yrs ago, farm laborer
Mary Walters Wife F 30 New Mexico first wed 4 yrs ago-see if u can get marriage license app
Richard Walters Son M 12 New Mexico
Freddie Walters Son M 8 New Mexico
Julia Walters Daughter F 7 California
Josephine Walters Daughter F 7 California
Henry Walters Son M 2 Arizona


death of dora
Name: Dora Walthers
Event Date: 1935
Event Place: Phoenix, Maricopa, Arizona
Gender: Female
Father's Name: Joseph S. Walthers
Mother's Name: Margarite Lovato


1940 Supervisorial District 1, Maricopa, Arizona, United States south 7th st
Joe S Walthers Head M 65 New Mexico
Marguerite B Walthers Wife F 48 New Mexico
Julio Walthers Daughter F 18 California
Josephine Walthers Daughter F 16 California
Henery Walthers Son M 12 Arizona
Joe Ruben Walthers Son M 7 Arizona

Re: Charley Walthers- Germany to ???

Posted: 10 Jun 2015 12:43AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Walthers
Try http://www.loc.gov/chroniclingamerica

So far I've found:

Albuquerque Morning Journal, February 24, 1884, image 4

The new Marshall yesterday appointed Charley Walthers as his chief assistant.

Los Cerrillos Rustler, May 22, 1891, image 1

Mrs. Walthers, wife of Charles Walthers, of San Pedro, died on Wednesday of this week, from illness following child birth.

Hopefully one or both of these is the Charley WALTHERS you're seeking.

Good luck,
Karen

Re: Charley Walthers- Germany to ???

Posted: 10 Jun 2015 5:43AM GMT
Classification: Query
Thank you aurina,
I appreciate your response. I hope others see this and might be able to contribute. I'm still very new to genealogy so your tips and suggestions are very valuble.

Where might I be able to locate a marriage license app for Margherite and Joseph?

Re: Charley Walthers- Germany to ???

Posted: 10 Jun 2015 5:49AM GMT
Classification: Query
Karenkrich,

Thank you for your response! Those are definitely the closest possibilities I've come across; both seem to fit the time periods and area.

Charley Walthers has been a brick wall in my family tree for years. He's quite an elusive fellow.

Re: Charley Walthers- Germany to ???

Posted: 11 Jun 2015 12:03AM GMT
Classification: Query
first-there are still more records out there NOT online, not even on LDS film or fiche. those of us who have been doing this since before it became "big busines" find todays searches so much faster and easier- used to take lots of letters, phone calls and road trips and hours walking cemeterys and searching court houses and libraries-not even sure u were looking in the correct state-u may have to do some of this , as it looks like this family traveled a lot, probably following work, and when that happens, sometimes they are overlooked come census time, etc.

okay, i cant find his soc sec death online. do you have the original death cert and does it have a soc sec # and state it was issued ? http://www.deathindexes.com/ssdi.html
for help in obtaining his number and app using his death cert.
this explains the difficulty in obtaining his marriage license when u dont know what county he was wed in - increased demand and budget cuts not allowing state wide searches-only county searches - of course, if u live in california - - maybe u can do some library research -
do you have his obit, and does it say anything helpful? if u dont have it, contact the genealogy library for phoenix ariz
http://www.azlibrary.gov/research
see if they will look it up for you, and hope it says something helpful, tho it sounds like, richard, at least, didnt know who his grandmother was.
where did you get the andrea ayers name? and are u confident that it is correct?
good luck, and we will keep looking also. have you been able to track joseph sylvesters siblings on any census ? what weretheir names/

Re: Charley Walthers- Germany to ???

Posted: 17 Jun 2015 1:07AM GMT
Classification: Query
Aurina,
I don't have his obituary or death certificate, but I will work on finding both.

Joseph had a sister, named Teresa Walthers and another named Sofia. In the 1900 census, she is living with Andrea: (Arias is a misspelling of Ayers.)


1900 Census - Old Albuquerque, Bernalillo County, New Mexico
Andrea Arias - Nov 1852 - 49 - widow - 15 kids, 4 living - Territory of NM - Philadelphia - Terr. of N.M.
Julian Martinez - son - Dec 1870 - 29 - divorced - NM-NM-NM - House painter
Anita Martinez - dau - Oct 1883 - 16 - NM-NM-NM
Procopio Martinez - son - May 1888 - 12 - NM-NM-NM
Sofia Walthers - dau - Oct 1893 - 6 - NM-Germany-NM


1900 Census - Old Albuquerque, Bernalillo County, New Mexico
Andrea Arias - Nov 1852 - 49 - widow - 15 kids, 4 living - Territory of NM - Philadelphia - Terr. of N.M.
Julian Martinez - son - Dec 1870 - 29 - divorced - NM-NM-NM - House painter
Anita Martinez - dau - Oct 1883 - 16 - NM-NM-NM
Procopio Martinez - son - May 1888 - 12 - NM-NM-NM
Sofia Walthers - dau - Oct 1893 - 6 - NM-Germany-NM

Marriage record for Sofia:
Name: Estevan Romero
Spouse's Name: Sofia Walters
Event Date: 10 Jan 1915
Event Place: San Felipe, Albuquerque, Bernalillo, New Mexico
Father's Name: Dionisii Romero
Spouse's Father's Name: Charles Walter

Andrea Arias (Ayers)

Name: Andrellita Martinez
Death Date: 29 Nov 1931
Death Place: Old Albuquerque, Bernalillo, New Mexico
Gender: Female
Age: 80
Birth Year (Estimated): 1851
Spouse's Name: Ramon Martinez
Father's Name: Julian Ares
Mother's Name: Altagracia Ares

1860 Census - 7th Precinct Albuquergue, Bernalillo, New Mexico Territory
William Ayers - 31 - Pennsylvania - Clerk
Altigracia Ayers - 22 - NM
Andrea Ayers - 9 - NM
Francisca Perea - 46 - NM - Laborer
Francisca Perea - 95 - NM
Pablo Escabel - 28 - NM - Servant
Charles Fugit - 37 - Missouri - Farmer

New Mexico Marriages
Name: Ramon Martin
Spouse's Name: Andrea Ayres
Event Date: 14 Feb 1870
Event Place: Albuquerque, Bernalillo, New Mexico
Father's Name: Salvador
Mother's Name: Dolores Torres
Spouse's Father's Name: Julian
Spouse's Mother's Name: Altagracia

Children of Ramon Martinez & Andrea Arias:

Name: Juliano Martinez
Christening Date: 18 Dec 1870
Christening Place: Albuquerque, Bernalillo, New Mexico
Birth Date: 16 Dec 1870
Birthplace: Albuquerque
Father's Name: Ramon Martinez
Mother's Name: Andrea Ayres de Martinez

Name: Anita Martinez
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 12 Jul 1881
Christening Place: Alameda, Bernalillo, New Mexico
Birth Date: 06 Jul 1881
Birthplace: Albuquerque
Name Note: She md. Romualdo Sarracino 11 Apr 1923, in this church.
Father's Name: Ramon Martinez
Mother's Name: Andrea Ares

Name: Ana Martinez
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 28 Oct 1883
Christening Place: Alameda, Bernalillo, New Mexico
Birth Date: 28 Oct 1883
Birthplace: Albuquerque
Father's Name: Ramon Martinez
Mother's Name: Andrea Ares

Name: Francisca Martin
Christening Date: 29 Oct 1885
Christening Place: San Felipe, Albuquerque, Bernalillo, New Mexico
Birth Date: 27 Oct 1885
Birthplace: Old Albuquerque
Father's Name: Ramon Martin
Mother's Name: Andrea Arias

Name: Felix Procopio Martin
Christening Date: 22 May 1888
Christening Place: Alameda, Bernalillo, New Mexico
Birth Date: 18 May 1888
Birthplace: Albuquerque
Name Note: His marr. is recorded Bk H pg 105
Father's Name: Ramon Martin
Mother's Name: Andreaita Harris

Ramon died and Andrea gave birth to Sofia Walthers born in 1893.

Given their birth years, Teresa and Joseph may be Charley's by a different mother, but I'm keeping Andrea Ayers open as a possibility.
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