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El Sagrario Metropolitano, Victoria De Durango, Durango, Mexico

El Sagrario Metropolitano, Victoria De Durango, Durango, Mexico

Posted: 20 Dec 2001 4:05AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 21 May 2002 10:42PM GMT
I Am looking for any information on,
1. Jose De Jesus SantaMarina Married to Maria Josefa Unsueta on Sept. 8, 1846. In Santiago Papasquiaro, Durango, Mexico.
2. Franca SantaMarina, Married to Gregorio Hernandez, June 16, 1855, in Santiago, Papasquiaro.
3. Dolores SantaMarina, Married to Felipe Acosta on, Nov.29, 1879, in El Sagrario Metropolitano, Victoria De Durango, Durango Mexico.
4. Juan SantaMarina, Married Tereza Rojas, Aug. 7, 1880 in El Sagrario Metropolitano.
5. Felipe Riopedre, Married to Amada Sanches, Jan. 15, 1855. in El Sagrario Metropolitano.
6. Maria Loreto Riopedre, Married to Ireneo Orosco, May. 12, 1857, in El Sagrario Metropolitano.
7. Petra Riopedre, Married to Franco Zubiria, on Dec. 1, 1849, in El Sagrario, Metropolitano.
I am Also looking for any of the Great, Great, Great Granchildren of Francisco Riopedre who Married Mariana SantaMarina on Nov. 30, 1819, in El Sagrario Metropolitano, Victoria De Durango, Durango, Mexico. Or any of the Great,Great Granchildren of; Juan SantaMarina and Tereza Rojas, Married on Aug. 7, 1880 in El Sagrario Metropolitano, one of their offspring is Maria Guadalupe SantaMarina born in around 1898, and babtised in Santiago, Papasqiario. Juan SantaMarina was Governor of Durnago, Durango Mexico, in around 1897 to 1898. Any information is cricial. Thank You, Sylvia Garcia

Santamarina de Santiago Papasquiaro, Dgo.

Posted: 17 Feb 2002 5:36AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 2 Jun 2003 6:59AM GMT
Sylvia,

I have good news for you. Today at the Family History Center, I came across the 4 January 1822 wedding record of Juan Jose Santamarina & Maria de Jesus Gutierrez in Santiago Papasquiaro. I am confident that they are the parents of Jose de Jesus Santamarina who married Josefa Unzueta on 8 September 1846.

The bad news about Juan Jose Santamarina is that he was adopted. The wedding record says he was originally from Durango, Durango, and was the adopted son of Ygnacio Santamarina & Maria Ygnacia de Orozco. Jesus Gutierrez was originally from Santiago Papasquiaro and was the daughter of Vicente Gutierrez & Soledad Nevarez. Both Juan Jose and Maria de Jesus were racially classified as españoles when they married.

I'd like to hear from you again. What other information do you have on the Santamarina family and the people they married?

Best regards,

Javier Avitia

Re: Soledad Nevarez of Durango, Durango

Posted: 20 Feb 2002 8:19PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 13 Mar 2002 8:40PM GMT
Dear Javier,

I have a baptismal record of my great uncle Jose Maria de Jesus Mendoza of Durango, Durango, MX dated May 9th 1889 (his birthday) that states his paternal grandparents as Tomas Mendoza and Soledad Nevarez. This baptismal certificate came from Durango's Sagrario Metropolitano. Could your Soledad Nevarez be related or possibly be the same person?

This baptismal record came from the Mormon Family History Center and is titled:

Sagrario Metropolitano
Bautismos 1885 - 1890

beginning number 0654828

It would be great to here from you whether or not she is related. You seem to have a great deal of knowledge of Durango and it's 19th century inhabitants. This is a subject I am deeply interested in and have very few resources to use.

Any help you may give will be greatly appreciated.

Sincerely,

Jim

Re: Soledad Nevarez of Durango, Durango

Posted: 21 Feb 2002 4:41AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 2 Jun 2003 7:02AM GMT
Jim,

It's good to hear from you. Yes, I do have a great deal of information on Durango, particularly the northwest part of the state. This is because my parents are from this region. Among the nearly 36,000 people in my family tree, I must have at least 1,000 who are from Durango, Durango. However, I have not directed my research to the capital city just yet. But, I will.

The surname Nevarez is from my part of Durango. I have 352 people in my family tree with Nevarez as their surname. I have traced several Nevarez families from Santiago Papasquiaro back to the mid 1700's, and I still have another 100 years more to go.

As far as your Soledad Nevarez, she is not the same as the one I mentioned in my posting. My Soledad Nevarez, who was married to Vicente Gutierrez, would have been born around 1780.

I'm happy to work with you on your research. Please provide details regarding your families, who are you searching for and where.

Best regards,

Javier Avitia

Re: Soledad Nevarez of Durango, Durango

Posted: 6 Mar 2002 3:23PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 13 Mar 2002 8:40PM GMT
Javiar,

Sorry to have taken so long in answering your last post.

My grandmother, Antonia (Mendoza) Bates was born in Durango, Durango on July 25th in either 1891, 1895 or 1898. I lean more towards 1891. Her brother was Jose Maria de Jesus Mendoza who was born May 9, 1889.

Antonia was enrolled at a private Catholic school in Texas in 1906. Her brother Jose graduated from Notre Dame in 1910. In both of their transcripts, the guardian/parent is given as Bishop Obispo N. P. Gavilan. Their parents names were never known until I found Jose's baptismal certificate. I have yet to find Antonia's baptismal cert. I am 95% confident that the baptismal certificate I found of Jose's is the Jose Mendoza I was looking for, as it was dated on his birthday and came from the particular church I believe his family attended.

I researched Bishop Gavilan and found that from Feb. 20, 1902 to Dec. 3, 1919 the Bishop of Chihuahua was Bishop Nicolas Perez Gavilan Echeverria. This begs the question; Why use the Bishops name as guardian instead of the parents?

It has always been the belief of my fathers family that my Mexican grandparents were probably assasinated by the revolutionary forces, particularly Pancho Villa's army.

At this point, this is all the info I have. I don't really know where to go from here. Do you have any suggestions?

Sincerely, Jim

Re: Soledad Nevarez of Durango, Durango

Posted: 6 Mar 2002 3:24PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 13 Mar 2002 8:40PM GMT
Javiar,

Sorry to have taken so long in answering your last post.

My grandmother, Antonia (Mendoza) Bates was born in Durango, Durango on July 25th in either 1891, 1895 or 1898. I lean more towards 1891. Her brother was Jose Maria de Jesus Mendoza who was born May 9, 1889.

Antonia was enrolled at a private Catholic school in Texas in 1906. Her brother Jose graduated from Notre Dame in 1910. In both of their transcripts, the guardian/parent is given as Bishop Obispo N. P. Gavilan. Their parents names were never known until I found Jose's baptismal certificate. I have yet to find Antonia's baptismal cert. I am 95% confident that the baptismal certificate I found of Jose's is the Jose Mendoza I was looking for, as it was dated on his birthday and came from the particular church I believe his family attended.

I researched Bishop Gavilan and found that from Feb. 20, 1902 to Dec. 3, 1919 the Bishop of Chihuahua was Bishop Nicolas Perez Gavilan Echeverria. This begs the question; Why use the Bishops name as guardian instead of the parents?

It has always been the belief of my fathers family that my Mexican grandparents were probably assasinated by the revolutionary forces, particularly Pancho Villa's army.

At this point, this is all the info I have. I don't really know where to go from here. Do you have any suggestions?

Sincerely, Jim

Re: Soledad Nevarez of Durango, Durango

Posted: 8 Mar 2002 4:12PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 8 Mar 2003 3:57PM GMT
Jim,

Interesting bits of information. Here's my interpretation:

That fact that your grandmother (and her brother) would have been sent to the US for school indicates that they came from a well-to-do family in Chihuahua. Poor families wouldn't have had the economic means to send their children away to any school - Mexican or American. With the support of a sponsor, highly intelligent poor kids might have obtained an education, but they would have gone to Mexican schools.

At the time that your grandmother went to Texas, Chihuahua was under the control of the despotic Terrazas family. Terrazas and the other oligarchs brutalized the population. In this environment of oppression, your grandmother and her brother are privileged enough to study abroad. Again, this points to the fact that your grandmother's family was well-to-do and alligned with the ruling class. This being the case, your great grandparents might very well have been victims of the revolutionaries under Pancho Villa.

Typically, I discount people's stories about how Pancho Villa did this and did that. Stories abound in Northern Mexico about how "my family used to be rich, but then Pancho Villa came and took it all . . ." In your case, there may be some element of truth.

As far as the Bishop of Chihuahua, it does not seem unusual that he would have been identified as the guardian of your grandmother. Obviously, the Bishop had to pull some strings to secure enrollment for your grandmother not only in another diocese, but in another country. Also, the fact that the Bishop himself is the sponsor of your grandmother again is evidence that your family had economic means. Poor people would not have had access to the Bishop.

It should not be hard to find the Church records for your family. I'm surprised that your are having so much trouble.

Best regards,

Javier Avitia


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Re: Soledad Nevarez of Durango, Durango

Posted: 9 Mar 2002 4:13PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 13 Mar 2002 8:40PM GMT
That's about the way I would interpret the info that I have. I think the reason that I'm having problems with church records is that many records were destroyed during the revolution; That and the fact that nothing comes up in searches for Durango Mendoza's.

I guess I'll probably have to go back to the LDS "Family History Center" and search some more microfiched baptismal records.

I didn't know about Terrazas family. As far as I know, my "Mendoza's" could have been despots too. It would seem that is very likely.

Thank you for the info Javier.

Re: Soledad Nevarez of Durango, Durango

Posted: 6 Apr 2002 5:38AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 21 May 2003 8:06PM GMT
Javier, I am very interested in sharing info on the Nevarez family. My father is Joe Nevarez, born in Tepehuanes in 1912. He is the son of Reinalda Nevarez, who was not married. Reinalda is the daughter of Jose Mateo de Jesus Nevares, born 1860, and Lucia de la Trinidad Mesa, born 1866. Jose Mateo de Jesus Nevares is the son of Domingo Nevares and Ma Teodosa Romana Delgado, Domingo Nevares is the son of Juan Jose Nebares and Ma Guadalupe Coral, married in 1817 in Santiago Papasquiaro. Ma Guadalupe is born 1799. Juan Jose is the son of Jose Nicolas Nebares, born 1742 inSantiago, married to Mathilde Luiza Corall, no marriage info found. Je Nicolas Nebares is the son of Bartholome de Nebares and Josepha de ma Corral, no marriage info found.I could site you the LDS film # if you are interested. Because I have not found the marriage information or marriage records of these Nebares' I am stuck. There are two Bartolome Nebares' born 13 Aug 1718 in Santiago de Papasquiaro, one to Ricardo Nebares and Juana Ruiz, the other to Ygnacio Nebares and Juana Herrera. I really need to find the marriage information. I have gone through the LDS marriage, marriage information, baptism, and some of the death records in Santa Catarina Tepehuanes, some of the same records in Santiago de Papasquiaro, and Durango, to no avail. The parents of Lucia de la Trinidad Mesa are Ygnacio Mesa and Ma Concepcion Sanchez. The parents of Ma Concepcion are Pedro Sanchez and Ma Gerarda Corral, both from Guanaveci, per their marriage record. Pedro Sanchez's parent are Miguel Sanchez, son of Je Francisco Sanches Alvares and Ma Michaela Aguirre. The parents of Ygnacio Mesa are Felipe Rafael Mesa and Estefana Burrola, whose parents are Felipe Burrola and Crisanta Leyba. Other names I have researched are: Chaide, Garcia, Dias, Martines, Salasar, Maturino, Basques, Ramos, Saenz, Hernandes, de la Cruz, Espinosa, Cordero, Fragoso, Barraza, except for Maturino and a few other names all others are from Santa Catarina de Tepehuanes and Santiago de Papasquiaro. It sounds like you have done a lot of research in this area and if you have any info to share I would greatly appreciate it. What books would you recommend on this area? I am very interested in reading more about the early history. Any help or information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks so much, Margaret

Nevarez of Santiago Papasquiaro, Durango

Posted: 4 Jun 2002 4:08AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 13 Jan 2005 7:47AM GMT
Margaret,

I apologize for not having responded sooner. I've been very busy the last couple of months and have not had much time to research.

None of the people you mention appear in my family tree at this time. Still, I have no doubt that very soon your ancestors will be part of my family tree. At this point, my family tree contains nearly 37,000 people from 1700 to the present.

I began researching Santiago Papasquiaro a year ago and, since then, have added more than 5,000 people who I extracted almost exclusively from the Church wedding records. I photocopied all the wedding records from 1763 to 1801 and have succeeded in adding between 70% to 75% of all the wedding entries. I have not yet begun to research the records older than 1763, but that is my next task.

So far, I have three Nevarez ancestors:

My 7-times-great grandparents Jose de la Rosa Nevarez & Maria Sanchez (born approx. 1720). I am a descendant of their daughter Encarnacion Nevarez who married Blas Salvador Barraza (approx. 1750). Encarnacion's brother Jose Maria Nevarez married Paula Lopez on 20 Dec. 1773.

My 4-times-great grandparents Jose Guadalupe Nevarez & Maria Corral (born approx. 1800). I am a descendant of their daughter Romana Nevarez who married Meliton Unzueta on 27 July 1844.

My 4-times-great granparents Antonia Nevarez & Juan Jose Diaz (born approx. 1800). I am a descendant of their daughter Candida Diaz who married Pantaleon Mena on 29 Sep. 1839.

I'd like very much to learn more about your research. I'm sure that some of your ancestors (or relatives of your ancestors) are already in my family tree. If this is the case, then I'd like to add you to my family tree.

If you wish to contact me outside of this public forum, please email me at javier_avitia@yahoo.com

Best regards,

Javier
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