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Last name: Born - from Herschel Island

Last name: Born - from Herschel Island

Posted: 25 Jun 2013 7:02PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Born
Hello. My grandfather, Edwin Born, was born on Herschel Island in October 1910. Now through family I heard that his dad came from Germany and worked on the whaling ship, the Karluk, prior to it being sold to the Canadian government. His first name may be "Edwin" as well (seems to be passed down) but I'm not sure. I know he married a native woman (some in my family say she was Cherokee but that doesn't make sense to me)who may have been named Suzanne or Susan. My grandfather's death certificate says that her last name was "Dahl" but I find nothing on her. My grandfather immigrated to San Francisco in his teens. I'm not sure if his parents stayed in Canada or came with him. My own father is incommunicado so I can't ask him about this stuff. I guess my question is regarding where to find any records about my great grandfather/great grandmother. Thanks for any help!

Edin Born - from Herschel Island

Posted: 26 Jun 2013 5:40AM GMT
Classification: Biography
Surnames: born, fischer
1940
Name: Edwin Born
Respondent: Yes
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1911
Gender: Male
Race: Indian (Native American)
Birthplace: Herschel Is Canada
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Head
Home in 1940: South San Francisco, San Mateo, California
View Map
Street: Fourth Lane
House Number: 524
Farm: No
Inferred Residence in 1935: South San Francisco, San Mateo, California
Residence in 1935: Same House
Sheet Number: 7B
Number of Household in Order of Visitation: 163
Occupation: Teamster
House Owned or Rented: Rented
Value of Home or Monthly Rental if Rented: 25
Attended School or College: No
Highest Grade Completed: High School, 4th year
Hours Worked Week Prior to Census: 40
Class of Worker: Wage or salary worker in private work
Weeks Worked in 1939: 43
Income: 1900
+
Name: Adeline H Born
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1909
Gender: Female
Race: White
Birthplace: California
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Home in 1940: South San Francisco, San Mateo, California
View Map
Street: Fourth Lane
House Number: 524
Inferred Residence in 1935: South San Francisco, San Mateo, California
Residence in 1935: Same House
Sheet Number: 7B
Attended School or College: No
Highest Grade Completed: High School, 4th year
Weeks Worked in 1939: 0
Income: 0
+
Name: Dirk E Born
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1933
Gender: Male
Race: Indian (Native American)
Birthplace: California
Marital Status: Single
Relation to Head of House: Son
+
Name: Gail H Born
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1939
Gender: Female
Race: Indian (Native American)
Birthplace: California
Marital Status: Single
Relation to Head of House: Daughter



Name: Edwin Dirk Born
Birth Date: 4 Mar 1933
Gender: Male
Mother's Maiden Name: Fisher
Birth County: San Mateo


Name: Edwin Dirk Born
Gender: Male
Residence State: California
Spouse: Marleen Carattini
Spouse Residence State: California
Marriage Date: 5 Jul 1974
Marriage County: Douglas
Officiant Type: Religious celebrant
Recorded Date: 10 Jul 1974
Recorded County: Douglas


Name: Helen Gail Born
Birth Date: 14 Dec 1938
Gender: Female
Mother's Maiden Name: Fischer
Birth County: San Mateo


divorce
Name: Gail H Born
Spouse Name: William E Werder
Location: San Mateo
Date: Dec 1975



Adeline H also went by Helen


Name: Helen Born
SSN: 553-01-1115
Last Residence: 94080 South San Francisco, San Mateo, California, United States of America
Born: 19 May 1908
Died: 17 Oct 2000
State (Year) SSN issued: California (1952)


1920
Name: Helen Fischer
Age: 11
Birth Year: abt 1909
Birthplace: California
Home in 1920: South San Francisco, San Mateo, California
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Daughter
Marital Status: Single
Father's Name: John Fischer
Father's Birthplace: Germany
Mother's Name: Adele Fischer
Mother's Birthplace: Austria
Able to Read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
+
John Fischer 46 b germany
Adele Fischer 46 b austria
Joseph Fischer 21
Steven Fischer 18
Teddy Fischer 15
Marian Fischer 13
Lawernce Fischer 10
Robert Fischer 9
Catherine Fischer 7


obit
Name: Helen Born
Publication Date: 19 Oct 2000
Publication Place: San Mateo T, ca
Death Date: abt 2000
Death Place:
Age at Death: 92
Birth Date: Abt 1908

Re: Edwin Born - from Herschel Island

Posted: 26 Jun 2013 7:04AM GMT
Classification: Query
Thanks Ell - I appreciate your work however I may not have made myself clear in that I am looking for the next generation (older). My grandfather is the Edwin that you covered however I would love to find information on his parents. I have contacted the Yukon Vital Statistics in Whitehore and they had nothing - not even a record of my grandfather.
Thanks again

Re: Edwin Born - from Herschel Island

Posted: 26 Jun 2013 9:43PM GMT
Classification: Biography
Surnames: born
if you obtain a copy of his SS5 - it should show his parents names 0 whether or not deceased


Name: Edwin Born
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 17 Oct 1910
Birth Place: Canada
Death Date: 25 Feb 1956
Death Place: San Mateo
Mother's Maiden Name: Dahl
Father's Surname: Born


THINK (TOOOOOOOOOOOOO much of a coincidence)

Name: Caroline M Born
[Caroline M Dahl]
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 5 Jan 1877
Birth Place: Michigan
Death Date: 1 Aug 1956
Death Place: Los Angeles
Father's Surname: Dahl


1920
Name: Charles Born
[Charles Boris]
Age: 49
Birth Year: abt 1871
Birthplace: New York
Home in 1920: Los Angeles Assembly District 61, Los Angeles, California
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Caroline M Born
Father's Birthplace: Alsace-Lorraine
Mother's Birthplace: Germany
Home Owned: Own
Able to Read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
+
Name: Caroline M Born
[Caroline M Boris]
Age: 43
Birth Year: abt 1877
Birthplace: Michigan
Home in 1920: Los Angeles Assembly District 61, Los Angeles, California
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Charles Born
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Able to Read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
+
Name: Edwin Born
[Edwin Boris]
Age: 9
Birth Year: abt 1911
Birthplace: California
Home in 1920: Los Angeles Assembly District 61, Los Angeles, California
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Son
Marital Status: Single
Father's Name: Charles Born
Father's Birthplace: New York
Mother's Name: Caroline M Born
Mother's Birthplace: Michigan
+
Name: Wilbur R Born
[Wilbur R Boris]
Age: 7
Birth Year: abt 1913
Birthplace: California
Home in 1920: Los Angeles Assembly District 61, Los Angeles, California
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Son
Marital Status: Single
Father's Name: Charles Born
Father's Birthplace: New York
Mother's Name: Caroline M Born
Mother's Birthplace: Michigan
+
Name: Howard R Born
Age: 5
Birth Year: abt 1915
Birthplace: Michigan
Home in 1920: Los Angeles Assembly District 61, Los Angeles, California
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Son
Marital Status: Single
Father's Name: Charles Born
Father's Birthplace: New York
Mother's Name: Caroline M Born
Mother's Birthplace: Michigan
+
Name: Doris M Born
[Doris M Boris]
Age: 3
[3 6/12]
Birth Year: abt 1917
[abt 1916]
Birthplace: California
Home in 1920: Los Angeles Assembly District 61, Los Angeles, California
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Daughter
Marital Status: Single
Father's Name: Charles Born
Father's Birthplace: New York
Mother's Name: Caroline M Born
Mother's Birthplace: Michigan


Name: Wilbur R Born
Birth Date: 29 Dec 1912
Gender: Male
Mother's Maiden Name: Dahl
Birth County: Los Angeles


Name: Doris M Born
Birth Date: 15 May 1916
Gender: Female
Mother's Maiden Name: Dahl
Birth County: Los Angeles


Name: Wilbur Robert Born
Birth Date: 29 Dec 1912
Age at Death: 53
Death Date: 17 Jun 1966
Burial Place: Los Angeles National Cemetery, Los Angeles, Los Angeles County, California


Name: Wilbur R Born
Social Security #: 551100157
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 29 Dec 1912
Birth Place: California
Death Date: 17 Jun 1966
Death Place: Los Angeles
Mother's Maiden Name: Dahl


1930
Name: Charles Born
Gender: Male
Birth Year: abt 1871
Birthplace: New York
Race: White
Home in 1930: Los Angeles, Los Angeles, California
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Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Caroline F Born
Father's Name: Val G Born
Father's Birthplace: Germany
Mother's Birthplace: Germany
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Name: Caroline F Born
Gender: Female
Birth Year: abt 1877
Birthplace: Michigan
Race: White
Home in 1930: Los Angeles, Los Angeles, California
View Map
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouse's Name: Charles Born
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
+
Name: Wilbur R Born
Gender: Male
Birth Year: abt 1913
Birthplace: California
Race: White
Home in 1930: Los Angeles, Los Angeles, California
View Map
Marital Status: Single
Relation to Head of House: Son
Father's Name: Charles Born
Father's Birthplace: New York
Mother's Name: Caroline F Born
Mother's Birthplace: Michigan
+
Name: Howard R Born
Gender: Male
Birth Year: abt 1915
Birthplace: Michigan
Race: White
Home in 1930: Los Angeles, Los Angeles, California
View Map
Marital Status: Single
Relation to Head of House: Son
Father's Name: Charles Born
Father's Birthplace: New York
Mother's Name: Caroline F Born
Mother's Birthplace: Michigan
+
Name: Doris M Born
Gender: Female
Birth Year: abt 1917
Birthplace: California
Race: White
Home in 1930: Los Angeles, Los Angeles, California
View Map
Marital Status: Single
Relation to Head of House: Daughter
Father's Name: Charles Born
Father's Birthplace: New York
Mother's Name: Caroline F Born
Mother's Birthplace: Michigan
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Name: Val G Born
Gender: Male
Birth Year: abt 1841
Birthplace: Germany
Race: White
Home in 1930: Los Angeles, Los Angeles, California
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Marital Status: Widowed
Immigration Year: 1863
Relation to Head of House: Father
Father's Birthplace: Germany
Mother's Birthplace: Germany


1940
Charles Born 69
Caroline M Born 63
Wilbur R Born 27
Street: Friar Street
House Number: 14342
Inferred Residence in 1935: Los Angeles, Los Angeles, California
Residence in 1935: Same House


Name: Charles Born
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 23 Oct 1870
Birth Place: New York
Death Date: 6 Aug 1951
Death Place: Los Angeles
Father's Surname: Born


Name: Charles Born
Birth Date: 23 Oct 1870
Age at Death: 80
Death Date: 6 Aug 1951
Burial Place:
Forest Lawn Memorial Park (Glendale)
Glendale
Los Angeles County
California, USA
Plot: Vale of Memory, Map 1, Lot 586, Space 1



Name: Valentin Born
Birth Date: 1841 Germany
Age at Death: 89
Death Date: 1930
Burial Place:
Odd Fellows Cemetery
Los Angeles
Los Angeles County
California


I could be way off on this but, my gut feeling is this is one of the same - it all ties in exept Native American - I cannot find in other census - anywhere in US or Canada - nothing in border xing - nothing in Alaska

Re: Edwin Born - from Herschel Island

Posted: 7 Jul 2013 7:27PM GMT
Classification: Query
Thanks - and I did see this through the site however the Native American thing does not add up. My great grandmother was Native (maybe Inuit although my family says Cherokee) and my grandfather was darker skinned and definitely Native American in looks. So is my father, for that matter. It's confusing me to say the least! lol...

Again thanks for your help. Is a SS5 like a SS number here in the States?

Re: Edwin Born - from Herschel Island

Posted: 26 Oct 2013 7:30PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Born
Here is a link to the Yukons Pamphlet for Herschel Island, a nice little read:
http://www.tc.gov.yk.ca/publications/Herschel_Island_Qikiqta...


Herschel Island had an Anglican Mission on the Island, I would check with the Anglican Mission Archives of Canada:
http://www.anglican.ca/resources/gsarchives/incanada/

This is an index for the Dawson Daily News, it has details about the articles that have been indexed and how to get copies:
http://www.tc.gov.yk.ca/publications/Dawson_Daily_News_1899-...

I think that these are good start...I would also suggest reading published books by some of the whalers, missionaries or NorthWest Mounted Police members that were posted to Herschel Island during the time of his birth, they may lead to other information regarding the exact place to search for a record of his birth. I will keep trying though, have a nice weekend.
Janelle Cockney,
Inuvik, NT Canada

Re: Edwin Born - from Herschel Island

Posted: 26 Oct 2013 7:40PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Born
Here is a list of information regarding the Karluk, that is available on the internet:
http://www.shipindex.org/ships/karluk

This may lead to some reference to Edwin's father as crew and which aboriginal women he may have married by local custom (may not have been a ceremony as we know today)

This is an obit for the last surviving member of the ill fated "Karluk" also born in 1911, may have know your " BORN" ancestors:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/alt.obituaries/anJBA7G...

Re: Edwin Born - from Herschel Island

Posted: 26 Oct 2013 8:04PM GMT
Classification: Query
edmondsdenise64 at ancestry.com is also researching this family

Re: Edwin Born - from Herschel Island

Posted: 26 Oct 2013 8:25PM GMT
Classification: Query
Thank you so much for your help!! I really appreciate all of your efforts. I did actually find out from familysearch.org that the Indian woman was named Susan Schuhaya. I am pretty certain that is correct because I recall my grandmother writing this name in the front of a book about the Karluk. I remembered it as "Susan S -somethingorother" and when I saw this name on Family Search, I knew that was it. Hopefully this will give me some more leads.
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