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Jeanne Aunois, femme de Pierre LeFebvre

Re: Jeanne Aunois, femme de Pierre LeFebvre

Posted: 17 Feb 2014 4:14AM GMT
Classification: Query
Pierre had no dit name that I could find (it is a army nickname), his four eldest sons have been awarded seignories and were de, not dit (Ange Le Febvre des Coteaux, royal notary, in this case). When I came accross a dit descoteaux, he lead back to Pierre Lefebvre married to Marie Chatigny (Chasteigny), not Maistre Pierre Lefebvre of Trois-Rivières. PRDH errs sometimes. Just found out this week that Jean Avon and Jean-Baptiste Avon were two distinct individuals, not only had they no idea about it, but weren't able to put together the clues left (clues as big as a house).

Re: Jeanne Aunois, femme de Pierre LeFebvre

Posted: 17 Feb 2014 4:22AM GMT
Classification: Query
I actually thought about the dit issue too..Jeannie has no Dit if her last name was because of a city name in France..the problem is we don't even know if Jeanne Aunos/Aunois was her real name or a name she was baptized with..Indian women were given American names so to speak when baptized..given her father was European she may have been metisse instead of full blood..the fact that her records are so up in the air and no record of her parents have been found..that raises a lot of suspicion..Pierre was so intelligent why didn't he note in his records for us that his wife was in fact of native ancestry or any records of her parents?
I think this is just beating the issue to death and we'll most likely never know who she was..

Re: Jeanne Aunois, femme de Pierre LeFebvre

Posted: 17 Feb 2014 5:04AM GMT
Classification: Query
Jeanne would only have a dit name if she was the daughter of a french soldier who had settled in New France, that is surely not the case.
Pierre, who would have been notary, had he been in society a little longer, graphied her patronym as Aunos (there were Aunos in France, found some this week).
Not everybody was baptised. If you had no patronym, they gave a descriptive patronym. I have an act for Charity Negresse, in this case, Aunos could refer to Onongakes who were settling around Trois-Rivières.
Jeanne is not metisse, she is one or the other. Records are routinely being hidden or misquoted. Pierre's mother is Jeanne Dupont, almost everywhere you see Cutiloup, not supported by a single record.
If she is from France, I'll find the record, if she is indian, there are no record...

Re: Jeanne Aunois, femme de Pierre LeFebvre

Posted: 17 Feb 2014 5:16AM GMT
Classification: Query
It is possible that Jeanne Aunos is metisse..her father was clearly by DNA European her mother could've been Indian..making her metisse aka half blood..they have tried to find relations for her in France but have come up with nothing so far..and yeah if she is metisse we'll never find an actual record..that would've been a secret

Re: Jeanne Aunois, femme de Pierre LeFebvre

Posted: 17 Feb 2014 12:56PM GMT
Classification: Query
dit names are not limited to soldiers. I would suggest that their function was to avoid confusion between cousins, or people with the same surname in a place where just about everyone was named Marie XXX or Joseph XXX at birth. Name confusion is avoided by the addition of the dit. It allows you to distinguish cousins who share a first name. The usage of dit exists before the arrival of the Carignan-Salierres Regiment. As to the status of amerindiens in New France, once baptized and particularly if married, they were considered French subjects the same as anyone else. One of the triggers for this whole exploration is the presence of Pierre Couc dit Lafleur as godfather in the baptism. He is one of the relatively few well documented marriages between French and native with documented off spring, some of whom live in Seneca territory and a few at Akwesasne.
There were very real advantages in the fur trade in having a bridge between cultures. Several people who were captives and returned did very well, for example Rene Cuilllerier. Pierre Boucher's knowledge from being an aide in Huronia and his first marriage to a native woman enhanced his ability to function in a world connecting two cultures. Which raises the question "How long was Jeanne's husband a captive and when and how did he return?"

Re: Jeanne Aunois, femme de Pierre LeFebvre

Posted: 17 Feb 2014 6:45PM GMT
Classification: Query
Dit was also common for a french family when they came to Canada to signify whatlocation their family came from in France..I would think if Jeanne Aunos was french and her family was established in France they would've had record of a dit name when her family made the trip signifying they were aunos or aunois from a certain area by that name like if they took it from Auneau or something..it's just very interesting that there seems to be no record of her parents

Re: Jeanne Aunois, femme de Pierre LeFebvre

Posted: 22 Feb 2015 4:30PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Lefebvre Auneau Aunois
Some interesting links for you:

Exchange between Suzanne Somerville and Mona Andrée Rainville on Jeanne Auneau's/Aunois' civil/legal status and what it indicates as to her origins.

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/QUEBEC-RESEARC...
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ADN RESULTS
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/taylorfamilygenes/defau...
then Ctrl F and type in Auneau
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http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/th/read/QUEBEC-RESEARCH/200...

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/QUEBEC-RESEARC...

http://genforum.genealogy.com/lefebvre/messages/1466.html
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There are many other documents showing Pierre's involvement in the community (e.g. church-builder, warden, etc.), land transactions, map of Trois-Rivières showing his land holdings, a new replacement monument identifying the first settlers of Trois-Rivières listing his name, census of the time with servants, etc.

Hope this helps.

Re: Jeanne Aunois, femme de Pierre LeFebvre

Posted: 27 Feb 2015 5:31PM GMT
Classification: Query
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