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French-Canadian/English Anglican Wedding in St. Jean de Matha, Quebec

French-Canadian/English Anglican Wedding in St. Jean de Matha, Quebec

Posted: 31 Jan 2015 4:07PM GMT
Classification: Bible
Surnames: Stansfeld, Durand
I am trying to establish parents and associated information for Georgeina Maria Stansfeld wife of Paul Durand in attachment 1. In my view, this was quite a unique marriage for the time: the groom was French, Catholic from St. Jean de Matha, Quebec, while the bride was an English-born, Anglican from Montreal. I have reasonable evidence from church records and census records for Paul Durand. However this marriage record is all I have that lets me trace Georgeina’s ancestors back. I can only translate French with Google translator and am especially interested in what this marriage record says about the people and event. That said, I would very much appreciate an English translation for what is red-circled in attachment 2

Regards,
Bob Fleck
Attachments:

Re: French-Canadian/English Anglican Wedding in St. Jean de Matha, Quebec

Posted: 1 Feb 2015 4:26AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 1 Feb 2015 4:27AM GMT
The document to start to verify the lineage is the marriage record of Joseph Guillaume Durand to Angele Levasseur. Does this doc cite her parents as Paul Durand and Georgina Stansfeld?

If so, then the document you have posted is for Paul Durand and Georgina Stansfeld and is a standard Catholic marriage record.

17 Aug 1847,
Ste-Élisabeth (Seigneurie Dautray), Joliette, PQ, CN

His parents: Joseph Durand & Ursule Brissette dite Dupas
Her parents: David Stansfeld & (deceased) Marguerite Hall(e)

David Stansfeld & Marguerite Hall(e) were married in in 1812, Montréal (Anglican, Christ Church Cathedral). Please note there are several records citing baptisms of some of their children being baptized as adults in the Catholic Church. I suspect your ancestor, Georgina, probably converted to Catholicism as did some of her siblings.

Re: French-Canadian/English Anglican Wedding in St. Jean de Matha, Quebec

Posted: 2 Feb 2015 6:36PM GMT
Classification: Query
daciodan,

I just got back after the weekend.

Thanks for your help with the marriage record. The reason I was so curious about rest of the verbiage in the marriage record: I have an attachment (Baptism 1) that shows a Georgeina Maria Stansfeld born and baptized in West Yorkshire, England. I hoped that perhaps the last part of the marriage record would show a stronger link to the bride being the same person baptized in England.

Regards
Bob Fleck
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Re: French-Canadian/English Anglican Wedding in St. Jean de Matha, Quebec

Posted: 3 Feb 2015 11:23PM GMT
Classification: Query
I think I understand where you're trying to get to, and I have a suggestion. I would throw a bigger net and gather more evidence to make a more compelling assertion.

Georgeina had at least two siblings who converted to Catholicism in Quebec, Canada. I would track their original baps in England.

Marguerite (Margaret) Stansfeld was baptized into the Catholic Church, 9 Jul 1839, Berthier-en-Haut (Bertherville), PQ, CN. The record cites she's 21 years old (implies born abt 1818). She married Daniel Partenais, 2 Oct 1843, St-Charles-Borromée-de-l'Industrie (Cathédrale de Joliette), PQ, CN.

George Stansfeld was baptized into the Catholic Church, 24 Mar 1849, Ste-Élisabeth (Seigneurie Dautray), Joliette, PQ, CN. The record cites he's 24 years old (implies born abt 1825). Both parents are cited as deceased in the record, his godmother is cited as Georgina Stansfeld.

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I don't think there is any question that Georgina, Margaret and George Stansfeld were siblings and children of David Stansfeld and Margaret Hall, and that they all converted to Catholicism.

Re: French-Canadian/English Anglican Wedding in St. Jean de Matha, Quebec

Posted: 4 Feb 2015 1:59AM GMT
Classification: Query
To follow up on what the other poster gave you.

Since parents David and Margaret were married in 1812 in Quebec it seemed a bit
odd that their children would then be born in England.

So from the info the poster also gave you as to approx. birth years for Margaret and George I looked for their births/bapt.

Montreal - Anglican Christ Church Cathedral, Actes
Margaret Caroline daughter of David Stansfeld and Margaret Hall was born the 11th day of April and was baptized May 10, 1818

May 7, 1814, Charlotte Elizabeth daughter of David Stansfeld and Margaret Hall was born and baptized on 5th of June following.

May 6, 1816 Jane Harriett, daughter of Daivd Stansfeld and Margaret Hall was born and was baptized on the 9th of June following.

Robert, son of David Stansfeld and Margaret Hall was born the 21st April 1823 and baptized 8th of June following.

Robert, son of David Stansfeld and Margaret Hall died on the 28th of January 1826 aged 2 years 9 months and was buried on the 31st following.

George, son of David Stanfeld and ............Hall was born 15th day of September 1824 and was baptized the 21st day of October following.

Frances Ann, daughter of David Stansfeld and Margaret Hall die on the 11th of Aug. 1829 aged 11 months and was buried on the 19th following.

Isabella Ann, daughter of David Stansfeld and Margaret Hall was born the 2nd day f April 1831 and was baptized the 15th day of October following

Margaret Hall wife of David Stansfeld died on the f1st day of July 1842 aged 52 years and was buried on the 5th following.

I looked for Georgina in census records to see about what year she was born
1851,1861 and 1881 all have her born about 1826 so I'm going to take another look at the baptisms

Re: French-Canadian/English Anglican Wedding in St. Jean de Matha, Quebec

Posted: 4 Feb 2015 2:11PM GMT
Classification: Query
daciodan,

Thank you for your ideas and the additional information. I will follow those threads and see where they go. I often follow interesting (to me) people and history rather than sticking to the genealogical track.

Regards,
Bob Fleck

Re: French-Canadian/English Anglican Wedding in St. Jean de Matha, Quebec

Posted: 4 Feb 2015 4:47PM GMT
Classification: Query
I cannot find a baptism for Georgina in Quebec - I think it very likely that the birth/bapt. you found in England is correct - parent's names match and it does say they are from Montreal.
and that David is a merchant which is how he is described in the bapt. of the other children.

Re: French-Canadian/English Anglican Wedding in St. Jean de Matha, Quebec

Posted: 4 Feb 2015 8:53PM GMT
Classification: Query
CLaPorte7468,

Thank you for the additional information about my wife’s ancestors. With all the leads provided, I now plan to investigate and document events for Georgeina's siblings. It seems there would be great story to tell of why her merchant father, David Stansfeld, traveled with his wife (and four children, probably) to his place of birth in England and lived for some time. Even without knowing those reasons, I think there’s enough evidence to write an interesting family narrative.

On another note I came across the name/designation: Anglican Christ Church Cathedral, Actes. Perhaps you can tell me, what does “Actes” mean?

Regards,
Bob Fleck

Re: French-Canadian/English Anglican Wedding in St. Jean de Matha, Quebec

Posted: 4 Feb 2015 11:37PM GMT
Classification: Query
"Perhaps you can tell me, what does “Actes” mean"

It literally translates to "acts", as in acts of birth, marriage, death, etc. In this context it means it's the register of the "acts" of that church.

Unfortunately, the (Quebec) non-Catholic records don't have the kind of detail as the Catholic.

Re: French-Canadian/English Anglican Wedding in St. Jean de Matha, Quebec

Posted: 5 Feb 2015 7:41PM GMT
Classification: Query
Well, David was a merchant so perhaps he dealt with goods brought from England?

There are several passenger lists for a man of that name but not much to say if it is the same fellow or not but he may have gone back and forth to England.

I did not find one for him with his family though.

I will see if I can find anything for you on Georgeina's siblings.
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