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French-Canadian/English Anglican Wedding in St. Jean de Matha, Quebec

Re: French-Canadian/English Anglican Wedding in St. Jean de Matha, Quebec

Posted: 5 Feb 2015 9:52PM GMT
Classification: Query
I was not able to find much more but here is the bits I did find.

ANGLICAN CHRIST CHURCH CATHEDRAL, ACTES, MONTREAL

Ann Matilda, daughter of David Stansfeld and Margaret Hall, his wife
Died on the 27th day of Feb. 1830 aged nine years and was buried on the 2nd day of March following.

** there is a notation at the side that say in Dr. Beanes vault or something close to that, a bit hard to read

this next entry was indexed as STANSFIELD

Mary Harriot and Francis Ann, twin daughters of David Stansfeld and Margaret Hall his wife, were born on the 2nd day of Sept. 1828 and were baptized the 25th day of Feb. following.

By the way there is another Stansfeld family in the records, father is John Stansfeld, merchant and wife Henrietta Rodd.

This John died in 1832, age 42 years, with his brother in law Antoine Rudd present – I wonder if this John could be a brother of your David.

John’s widow Henrietta remarried in 1836 to John McDonald. In this marriage she is shown as John’s widow, with her maiden name shown as Rod.

Also for one for one of the sons of John and Henrietta, sponsors are shown as David and Margaret Stansfeld. I looked at David’s signature and it very closely resembles his signature at his marriage so I think it is same David and Margaret.

I checked some trees to see if I could find any info as I wasn’t having much luck and found one that said a Charlotte Elizabeth Stansfeld (no parents named) married an Abraham Moe so I looked for a marriage

ST-AMBROIS-DE-KILDARE, EPISCOPAL CONGREGATION

Abraham Moe of Russeltown, Beauharnois and Charlotte Elizabeth Stansfeld of Industry, St. Paul married Nov. 23, 1843 (index says 1853 but record says 1843)

Among the witnesses was David Stansfeld

** for some odd reason she is indexed as C.E. Hampt

METHODIST, PRESBYTERIAN, CHURCH OF ENGLAND, FRANKLIN
Charlotte Elizabeth More, wife of Abraham, died Nov. 18. 1868 and was buried the 21st of same month.


Living with your Georgiana in 1851 census is a Mary Stansfeld who I am assuming is her sister Mary Harriet as age is right – she is 23 in 1851 so born about 1828 which fits

I am not having any luck in finding marriages or deaths for the rest of them.

Carolyn

Re: French-Canadian/English Anglican Wedding in St. Jean de Matha, Quebec

Posted: 6 Feb 2015 3:37PM GMT
Classification: Query
Carolyn,

I have a wealth of information thanks to you. Using Acestry.com I’ve been able to find the Stansfelds for which you have given the vitals. My wife’s ancestor, Georgeina Maria Stansfeld, should show up as an interesting figure.

My wife’s maternal grandparents were French Canadian. And, my wife’s grandmother had spoken of her English great-grandmother. I found that not only was she Anglican-English, she was born and baptized in England. Further I found that a brother and a sister born to Georgeina (Stansfeld) and Paul Durand were ancestors on both my wife’s paternal and maternal lines.

I plan to use many of the people you have pointed out as part of Georgeina’s entry in the family history. An interesting point about Georgeina’s father—David Stanfeld’s fortune/occupation changed from merchant (through 1826), gentleman (1829), to farmer (1830 and 1831). That Georgeina’s younger sister—Ann, the surviving twin—lived with the Durands (1851 Census) is most interesting. I’ll try not to make too much of these things, but these bits of history should make for attention-grabbing reading.

I do appreciate your effort and must let you get back to your own research.

Regards,
Bob Fleck

Re: French-Canadian/English Anglican Wedding in St. Jean de Matha, Quebec

Posted: 12 Feb 2015 3:27AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 12 Feb 2015 3:28AM GMT
Hello Bob,
Here is the litteral translation of the marriage act.

In the margin:
M 11
Paul Durand and Georgiana Stansfeld
This 17th August 1847 after the publication of 3 banns of marriage done at the pulpit of the masses of St Elisabeth and of St Charles de l'Industrie parishes according to the certificate from the parish priest of that place, between Paul Durand, son of age of Joseph Durand and of Ursule Brisset dite Dupas of this parish from the first part;
and Miss Georgiana Stansfeld daughter of age of David Stansfeld and of the late Marguerite Hotte her father and mother from the parish of Montreal and ….. residing in St Charles de L'Industrie from the second part;
since both parts had received the consent of their respective parents and since there is no impediment to the marriage, us appointed priest, undersigned, have received their mutual consent of marriage and have given them the nuptial blessing in presence of (strike out word? perhaps Jean-Baptiste?) Plastenay, being in lieu of father for the bride, of Vital Tellier and of Pierre Robert who, with the groom, declared not knowing how to sign.
P. Levêque ptre

Note: « ptre » is an abbreviation for priest in French
« Dlle » (just before Georgiana Stansfeld) was the abbreviation for « Mademoiselle » and meant Miss. We don't use it nowadays. This is old French.

Re: French-Canadian/English Anglican Wedding in St. Jean de Matha, Quebec

Posted: 12 Feb 2015 2:08PM GMT
Classification: Query
ancolie,

Thank you for your translation of the marriage record. You provided numerous details that I could not glean.

With my limited abilities in French and without a proficiency in Quebec history and culture, I find it difficult to decipher the script except to pick out dates and some proper names. Now, going back to the original document—and with the aid of your translation—I ask: “Why couldn’t I make out those words and phrases myself?” Thank you.

Regards,
Bob Feck

Re: French-Canadian/English Anglican Wedding in St. Jean de Matha, Quebec

Posted: 12 Feb 2015 2:22PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hello Bob,
Don't worry, even for French speakers, it is not always easy to read handwriting on old documents. I took genealogy and paleography courses. I fluently speak French and English, another advantage..

You may contact me next time that you need translation from French. That is part of my profile.
Jackie. :-)

Re: French-Canadian/English Anglican Wedding in St. Jean de Matha, Quebec

Posted: 9 May 2015 2:33PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Stanfeld, Stainfeld, Stanfield, Hall, Antill, Graham, Morris
Hi! I've been digging around in the records for Georgiana Stansfield, and what I've discovered indicates that her father, David was one of 4 Stansfield brothers that left Sowerby, Yorkshire and moved to Quebec to work as merchants in Quebec and Montreal. Their family seems to have been fairly large, and there are a lot of family names that appear in every generation on both sides of the ocean. Georgiana Maria is probably a cousin of the Canadian Georgiana Stansfield. Canadian Georgiana was born in Quebec and raised her family Roman Catholic when she married Paul Durand. Georgiana's mother was Margaret Hall - and I think Margaret Hall's brother is William Hall. William Hall was an official in Port of Montreal Customs. Margaret and William's father was the Customs Controller. Their father was William Hall, and he married Isabella Graham Antill. Isabella Graham Antill was descended from the Morris, Antill and Graham families of early New York. There are even pirates from Barbados on that side!!

Re: French-Canadian/English Anglican Wedding in St. Jean de Matha, Quebec

Posted: 15 May 2015 5:16PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Stansfeld
mfservatius2,

I appreciate your input and you have much information about the family I’d not seen before. I too, was dumbfounded, to think Canadian Georgeina Stansfeld was born in Yorkshire, England. However, there is the attachment for my post of 2 Feb 2015 (this thread). It seems that in it the information about her parents is correct and the same as for Canadian Georgeina’s siblings born in Montreal. Plus, in my searches, I had not come up with a Canadian birth/baptism record for Canadian Georgeina. If you have come across such a document, can you share it with me? I certainly want to correct any erroneous conclusions I’ve made.

Regards,

Bob Fleck

Re: French-Canadian/English Anglican Wedding in St. Jean de Matha, Quebec

Posted: 15 May 2015 11:35PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Stansfeld, Stainsfeld, Stanfield, Hall, Halle
Thanks for directing my attention to your attachment. I have seen records for other Georgiana Stansfelds - same family, different branches - but I think yours must be the correct one for Canadian Georgiana. I think most members of the Canadian Stansfelds remained Anglican, but it does seem like a few married into French Catholic families and converted. If you want more info on the Margaret Hall connection, here is a link to a web page listing descendants of Edward Antill. Georgiana is listed as descendants along with her siblings, by way of her mother. http://www.iment.com/maida/familytree/antill/edwardantill2nd...
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