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Agnes wife of John Brown Thorold Twp.

Re: Agnes wife of John Brown Thorold Twp.

Posted: 22 Jan 2011 7:30PM GMT
Classification: Query
Thanks for responding to my inquiry. I read with interest your posting last March regarding the Brown homestead and cemetery. I am glad someone is still looking out for our ancestors final resting places. I was particularly interested in learning that the Brown head stones had been moved to the Farr cemetery. I found an online record of a transcription of the Farr cemetery in Wainfleet made in 2000. Unfortunately, it did not include any Brown records. Is this the same cemetery to which that you referred?

You indicated that you have pictures of the Brown head stones. Would you be interested in sharing these with me or posting them on this site? I can provide an email contact if needed. Alternatively, would you be able to post information about and from these stones?

Also, I am very interested in learning more about the old maps you have. How old are they and at what scale? Have they been published anywhere? I know there are historical atlases published from the 1870s or so that are availabe through the public libraries.

Re: Agnes wife of John Brown Thorold Twp.

Posted: 22 Jan 2011 11:12PM GMT
Classification: Query
I myself do not have Browns in my family. I am researching the Browns as our archives has come into posession of several letters by the Moore family, of whom the mother was Martha Brown Moore, daughter of Alexander and Hannah Palmer Brown. The Kers are mentioned in the letters along with Brown uncles and cousins, so I started my search to find out who they could be. Also, there are many Quaker connections to Pelham. I have received much info from 2 Browns in the Niagara area. Email me and I will see if I can get you in touch with them to verify info. Also there are many Niagara history books online that tell about the family. janet@hilliker.ca

Re: Agnes wife of John Brown Thorold Twp.

Posted: 23 Jan 2011 4:59PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: BROWN FARR
These are pics that I have of the Brown stones. They were taken quite a while ago, and not the greatest quality. I will retake them this spring with the newer camera I have. The death dates are really hard to read.

The online versions of burials at the Farr Cemetery are not accurate. They have some persons listed as buried there, that are NOT. Also, I have records of about 15 people that ARE buried there, but have no markers. It had been related to me that the cemetery was vandalized years ago, and some stones were thrown in the river. It is very probable also that some people are "stacked", and may have never had a stone in the first place.

The old maps that I referred to can be found online at http://digital.library.mcgill.ca/CountyAtlas/search.htm
If you bring up the one of Welland Co., Crowland, Browns Ditch is marked in the very bottom left of the map.
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Re: Agnes wife of John Brown Thorold Twp.

Posted: 23 Jan 2011 6:46PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Brown
I have noticed that I am missing some stone pics in my files. There is another small stone, like that of H.B. (Henry Brown) and D.P.B. (David Palmer Brown, Jr). It has "R.H." inscribed, and is between Alexander and Hannah.

Re: Agnes wife of John Brown Thorold Twp.

Posted: 25 Jan 2011 4:04AM GMT
Classification: Query
Many thanks for the photos and the link to the historical maps. The maps appear to be the same ones available in hard copy in our local libraries but it is sure nice to be able to access them on line. Too bad about the cemetery being vandalized.

Re: Agnes wife of John Brown Thorold Twp.

Posted: 25 Jan 2011 6:09PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: O'Reilly/Brown and others
I read with interest your post about Farr Cemetery. Kindly, tell me if there are burials for any of the O'Reilly family included in your records. The O'Reilly land fronting on the Welland River in Wainfleet Township had been occupied by O'Reillys or their kin from 1807. Burial sites are unknown.
Any clue would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. LH

Re: Agnes wife of John Brown Thorold Twp.

Posted: 29 May 2011 9:42PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Brown Palmer
Just came across this site while researching Brown's and more specially Palmer in Welland County. I am particularly interested in the Palmer family and Hannah Palmer. There were several Palmer's in Welland some of which were not related to others. Who do you have as the parents of Hannah Palmer (1777 - 1845) who married Alexander Brown?

Any info very much appreciated..

Cecil Deyo

Re: Agnes wife of John Brown Thorold Twp.

Posted: 29 May 2011 11:43PM GMT
Classification: Query
I am pasting in the info on Hannah's family. None of it is verified but just from various internet sources but it is better than nothing, I hope.

David Palmer. He was born May 1732 in Pasquotank County, North Carolina. He died on 25 Oct 1814 in Grimsby, Ontario, Canada.
General Notes: 1767 Pasquotank Census: David Palmer Malachi Palmer Robert Palmer Thomas Palmer Jr

Elizabeth Bell is the daughter of Benjamin Bell and Elizabeth Pettit. She was born 1735. She died on 11 Aug 1813 in Grimsby, Ontario, Canada.

David Palmer and Elizabeth Bell. They had 3 children.
i. Hannah Palmer. She was born on 15 Mar 1777 in Oxford, Warren, New Jersey, USA. She married Alexander Brown. Their marriage 1793 in Standch, Grimsby, Lincoln, Ontario (Spring). She died on 23 Aug 1845 in Brown's Bridge, Pelham, Ontario, Canada. Burial in Wainfleet Twp., Welland Co. ON (Farr Cemetery).
ii. David Palmer. He was born 1778 in New Jersey, USA. He married Anna NANCY Bell. They were married on 07 Aug 1794.
Notes for David Palmer:
# Jonathan PALMER b: 1800
# Eleanor PALMER b: 1804
# Ann PALMER b: 1806
# John PALMER b: 1807
# Jesse PALMER b: 1809
# Mary PALMER b: 1812
# David PALMER b: 1815
iii. Martha Palmer. She was born 1780 in New Jersey, USA. She married Jonathon Bell. They were married on 29 Jul 1801 in Grimsby, Ontario, Canada. She died on 17 Dec 1859 in Howard, Kent, ON.


Re: Agnes wife of John Brown Thorold Twp.

Posted: 30 May 2011 2:06AM GMT
Classification: Query
I stumbled across a Palmer family genealogy at the following link. It suggests that David Palmer also had a son Daniel born in 1776. It includes a transcription of David Palmer's Loyalist petition for land.

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~familiesfo....

Re: Agnes wife of John Brown Thorold Twp.

Posted: 30 May 2011 5:11PM GMT
Classification: Query
I've had this info in my data base for a while and can't verify most of it, but it might help someone.


Descendants of David Palmer

1 David Palmer 1734 -
.. +Elizabeth Vanhorne
......... 2 David Palmer 1778 -
............. +Anna Nancy Bell 1776 -
.................... 3 John Palmer 1807 - 1866
........................ +Hannah Keating - 1841
............................... 4 Reuben C. Palmer 1837 - 1913
................................... +Margaret G. Kerby 1839 - 1914
........................................... 5 Elizabeth Palmer 1861 -
............................................... +M.A.Sanders
...................................................... 6 Mabel Sanders
........................................... 5 Wilberton C. Palmer 1863 - 1948
............................................... +Francis Padell
...................................................... 6 Olive Palmer
...................................................... 6 Brock Palmer
...................................................... 6 George Palmer
...................................................... 6 Dorris Palmer
...................................................... 6 John Palmer
...................................................... 6 James Palmer
........................................... 5 John A. Palmer 1868 -
............................................... +Catherine Shepard
...................................................... 6 Max Palmer
........................................... 5 Reuben Clement Palmer 1873 - 1875
........................................... 5 Harry St.Clair Palmer 1877 - 1878
......... 2 Hannah Palmer 1777 -
............. +Alexander Brown 1771 -
.................... 3 Mary Hannah Brown
........................ +John Ker 1806 -
............................... 4 Walter Ker
................................... +Maria Wright
......... 2 Daniel Palmer 1776 -
............. +Elizabeth Wolverton
.................... 3 Mahlon Palmer 1804 -
........................ +Dinah Moore

Also:

Commemorative Biographical Record of Kent County, J. H. Beers, 1905, pp. 344-345:

Reuben C. Palmer, of Sarnia, is essentially a public servant. With him the desire for close fellowship is so strong, his art of making and keeping friends so ready, and his ability to crown with success whatever he turns his hand to so evident, that his appointment to offices of trust and responsibility has seemed the most natural thing in the course of local events. A man with that breadth of intellect which enables him to turn his attention easily from one duty to another, he is now acting as license inspector, crier of the court, high constable for Lambton County, and insurance agent for his section. Also, he has long served as a local preacher of the Methodist Church.
Mr. Palmer is of loyal English ancestry. His grandfather, David Palmer ... was born in England... Prior to the American Revolution he came to the United States, settling in Pennsylvania. Though the location was satisfactory, the spirit of the people was not, and when it actually came to war he decided to take his leave rather than fight against the Crown. Coming to Ontario, he settled upon a farm in the Grimsby district, about twenty miles from Hamilton... He married during his early manhood and to him and his wife were born eight children: Jonathan, John (who is mentioned below), Jesse, David, Nathaniel, Deborah, Elizabeth and Mary...
John Palmer, father of Reuben C., inherited his father's aggressive powers and taste for agricultural pursuits. Born near Hamilton in 1807, he was reared on his father's farm there. In 1834, a young man of twenty-seven, he married and at once removed west, settling in the County of Lambton, and there, in Sombra township... Here he spent the rest of his life, dying there in 1866. During his young manhood Mr. Palmer married Hannah Keating, a good Christian woman, of refinement, who died in 1841. By this union there were three children: Mary Ann died at the age of eighteen years, and Isaac at the age of two years. Reuben C. is mentioned below...
Reuben C. Palmer was reared to a life of strong activity and large achievements. Born in Sombra township, Lambton County, Nov. 26, 1837, he grew to manhood on his father's new farm. Attending the schools of his neighbourhood for many years, he acquired a liberal English education and also valuable training in industry and attention, which habits were further developed by the regular and thorough performance of farm work. Possessed of scholarly tastes, starting life at the age of eighteen, he engaged in teaching. Of a buoyant disposition, as well as commanding in person, he gave excellent satisfaction to his patrons, and followed the profession for five years.
In 1859 Mr. Palmer married Miss Margaret G. Kerby, who was born in Sombra township, Lambton County, in 1838, daughter of Alexander Kerby. Mr. and Mrs. Palmer have three children: Lizzie married M. A. Sanders, of Sarnia, and they have one daughter, Mabel. Wilberton C., a grocer of Sarnia, married Fannie Padell, and they have six children, Olive, Brock, George, Dorris, John and James. John A., a boot and shoe merchant, of Calgary, Alberta, married Catherine Shepard, and they have one son, Max.
In 1866 Mr. Palmer moved with his family to Sarnia, where he has since resided. Here he hired out in a commercial house conducted by Archibald Young. Accurate in accounts, affable in manner, he had no difficulty in winning the confidence of his employer, and he remained with this house for some time. The position, as it proved, was a good stepping-stone, initiating him into the busines world, and drawing him new and useful friends. About 1871 he received a government appointment as inspector of licenses under the Crooks act for the West Riding of County Lambton. Filling the position with his usual efficiency, he had held it ever since. In addition to this work, in 1880, he opened an insurance office in Sarnia, representing three companies, the Royal, the Sun and the Northern, and he has in this business materially increased his income.
Mr. Palmer has long been a man of many interests. Since 1883 he has acted on the board of education, serving at different times on all the various committees. In 1884 he was appointed crier of the court and high constable, positions which he still holds. In religious work he has long been zealous, has belong to the Methodist Church since 1855, acted as trustee and member of the official board of the Central Church of that denomination at Sarnia, served as superintendent of the Sunday-school for sixteen years, and since 1863 has been local preacher. Unlike his predecessors, politically he associates with the Reform party. He is a member of the K. O. T. M., being secretary or finance keeper of his tent since it started in Sarnia, in 1884; he also belongs to the C. O. C. F., in which he serves as recorder.

I would also like to recommend this on-line data base to researchers as it often connects families from the Niagara Region who moved to the St.Clair and Essex County region before moving off into Michigan when it opened up:

http://www.thorsley.com/cgi-bin/geneweb?b=ThorsleyTaylor;esc...

No password is needed to access the above site.
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