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1861 & 1871 Censuses

Posted: 18 Jul 2011 12:44AM GMT
Classification: Query
I would appreciate some help in locating Maud Cameron on both the 1861 and 1871 censuses. I am the world's worst in searching the Ontario census site.

Maud Cameron was born 13 Oct. 1855 in Rockland, Russell Twp, Ontario. I have been unable to confirm who her parents were. They could be Alexander Cameron and Margaret McCaul but, at this point, I can't be certain.

I would be so grateful for any help.

Dorothy

Re: 1861 & 1871 Censuses

Posted: 18 Jul 2011 3:37AM GMT
Classification: Query
I do not see a Maud Cameron on 1861 or 1871 census.

Do you have anymore information on her?
Marriage? Death?

Re: 1861 & 1871 Censuses

Posted: 18 Jul 2011 4:28AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Satch,

Maud Cameron married Robert Addison Mather 1n 1878 in Eau Claire, Wisconsin. I have this family on the 1881, 1891, 1901 and 1911 censuses. They had 7 children:

Annie Eva Mather, b. 1879 Ironside, Gatineau QC
Maud Mather, b. 1880 Ottawa Carleton
John Douglas Mather, b. 1882 Kenora, ON
Robert Fenton Mather, b. 1884 Ottawa, Carleton
Allan Cameron Mather, b. 1886 Rat Portage, Rainy River, ON
James Frederick Mather,b.Rainy River District, Keewatin,ON
Marjorie Mather, b. 1892 Rainy River Dist. Keetwatin, ON

I was told that Maud's parents were Alexander Cameron of Lochaber, QC and Margaret McCaul. I have no information as to where Alexander was born - whether in Scotland or in Canada. Margaret McCaul was born in Rannoch, Perthshire, Scotland abt. 1812. Apparently she is buried in the McCaul family plot in Rockland circa 1861. Alexander and Margaret McCaul were married 15 Feb 1842....if this is the right couple. The entry stated that Alexander was "of" Lochaber.

Usually with Scots there is a specific naming pattern when it comes to the children. None of the children's names above bear the name of Alexander or Margaret. The one name that interests me is the son, Allan Cameron; also the first born daughter, "Annie" Eva. She was actually christened with this name.

Robert Addison Mather was the son of a lumber baron who lived in Old Chelsea, QC and then in Ottawa; Robert A. worked in his father's business. This was the reason for the different census locations.

Dorothy

Re: 1861 & 1871 Censuses

Posted: 18 Jul 2011 9:22PM GMT
Classification: Query
Her marriage registration should have name of her parents on it.

Both Maude and Robert died in BC. Here are their registrations.


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Death Date: 15 Dec 1932
Death Place: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Name: Maud Mather
Gender: Female
Age: 77y 2m 2d
Birth Date: 13 Oct 1855
Birthplace: Rockland, Quebec
Marital Status: Widow
Spouse:
Father: Allan Cameron
Mother: Mccaul
Indian Agency:
Indian Band/Tribe:
Film Number: 1952656
Digital Folder Number: 4437655
Image Number: 3226
British Columbia Archives Film Number: B13145
Registration Number: 43630

Although no mother's first name is given, the last name is McCaul.
So son Allan Cameron Mather was likely named after his maternal grandfather.




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Death Date: 18 Oct 1925
Death Place: Point Grey, British Columbia, Canada
Name: Robert Addison Mather
Gender: Male
Age: 74y 10m 29d
Birth Date: 19 Nov 1850
Birthplace: Montrose, Scotland
Marital Status: Married
Spouse: M Mather
Father: John Mather
Mother: Jean Low
Indian Agency:
Indian Band/Tribe:
Film Number: 1927304
Digital Folder Number: 4437846
Image Number: 218
British Columbia Archives Film Number: B13127
Registration Number: 2219

Death Date: 27 Jul 1953
Death Place: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Name: Allan Cameron Mather
Gender: Male
Age: 67y 3m 24d
Birth Date: 03 Apr 1886
Birthplace: , Ontario
Marital Status: Single
Spouse:
Father: Robert Mather
Mother: Maude Cameron
Indian Agency:
Indian Band/Tribe:
Film Number: 2032875
Digital Folder Number: 4438078
Image Number: 2078
British Columbia Archives Film Number: B13216
Registration Number: 53 09 007550


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Death Date: 17 Feb 1954
Death Place: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Name: Annie Eva Mather
Gender: Female
Age: 75y 0m 18d
Birth Date: 30 Jan 1879
Birthplace: Ironsides, Quebec
Marital Status: Single
Spouse:
Father: Robert Addison Mather
Mother: Maude Cameron
Indian Agency:
Indian Band/Tribe:
Film Number: 2032872
Digital Folder Number: 4438077
Image Number: 2664
British Columbia Archives Film Number: B13218
Registration Number: 54-09-00204


You have the 1901 and 1911 census so you know all their birthdates. You didn't have a birthdate for Fred but 1911 says he was born Feb 1888 Ontario.
Firt born son was named John after his grandfather but that seems to be the only traditional naming system carried out in this case.

I can't find anything on the Cameron/McCauls on Druoin Collection [Quebec vital stats] which is unusual. Where did you find Eva's baptismal and their marriage?
Many many Allan/Alexander Camerons on 1861 and 1871 census.


Margaret is in Rockland Russell County Ontario according to OCFA.
Margaret Cameron [McCaul], Edward Street Prostestant Cemetery, Clarence Tsp, Russell County, Reference: OT-89-08.
An Alex is also buried there. Same information as above.
http://ocfa.islandnet.com//search.php
I don't see where the cemetery is on line but the above site will give you a contact for the cemetery.
I did not find a death for either Margaret or Allan/Alexander. If she died in 1861 then she wouldn't be registered.
There are 3 McCauls buried in the same cemetery, Catherine, Dugall and Margaret.
I cannot find Catherine/Dugall in any census.
Could Lochaber be Lochinvar of Glengarry County?

Re: 1861 & 1871 Censuses

Posted: 19 Jul 2011 3:19AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Cameron/McCaul
Hi,

I had the death registration for Robert A. Mather but did not have the one for his wife, Maud. Thank you so much for this.

Interesting that her father's name is given as Allan Cameron! I am not a subscriber to Ancestry.ca...a friend of mine in Vancouver looked up Eva's baptism for me as well as Robert A.'s death. I was concentrating mainly on the Mather line at that time and left questions about Maud until later. I found Robert and Maud's marriage on the New Family Search:

marriage: 24 Apr 1878 —Eau Claire, Wisconsin
parents: John Mather, Jane Mather
spouse: Maud Cameron

record title: Wisconsin Marriages, 1836-1930
groom's name: Robert A. Mather
bride's name: Maud Cameron
marriage date: 24 Apr 1878
marriage place: Eau Claire, Wisconsin
groom's father's name: John Mather
groom's mother's name: Jane Mather
bride's father's name: A. Cameron
bride's mother's name: Margret Unknown
indexing project (batch) number: I00723-8
system origin: Wisconsin-EASy
source film number: 1266968

Not much help there as far as Maud's parents are concerned.

The name Alexander Cameron came from a member of the Mather family who lives in Toronto. I don't know this family personally and I have been doing genealogy long enough not to accept information without proof. My source of information on Alexander and Margaret's marriage came from
http://www.bytown.net/marriages18291856.htm It reads:

15 Feb 1842, in Bytown, Alexander CAMERON of Lough Haber, and Margaret MCCAUL of Cumberland (Rev. J. Carroll). http://www.bytown.net/marriages18291856.htm

(The location of Lough Haber is actually the town of Lochaber in the Papineau regional municipality of Quebec.) OR so I am led to believe. As for Lochaber vs. Lochinvar (Glengarry) I haven't a clue. Also, Margaret's death of 1861 also came from the same source from Toronto. Again, I am reluctant to accept it as fact.

You mentioned that if Margaret died in 1861 it would not be registered. Why is that? Having done little research in Ontario, I wasn't aware of this.

Frederick Mather b. 1888 was actually christened James Frederick Mather. James was Robert A.'s paternal grandfather (father of John Mather). It is also interesting that this James (father of John) married a woman by the name of Jane Low. (John Mather also married a woman by the name of Jane Low!) Surprisingly, John did not name any of his sons after his father. He named son Robert A. after his paternal grandfather and one daughter, Jemima Jane - Jane after his mother.

Thank you so much for the cemetery information. I will definitely check it out.

Regards,

Dorothy
I have extensive information on this Mather family - census entries, birth/death registrations, burial information from newspapers I have found.








Re: 1861 & 1871 Censuses

Posted: 19 Jul 2011 4:41AM GMT
Classification: Query
Registration didn't begin in Ontario until 1869.

Re: 1861 & 1871 Censuses

Posted: 20 Jul 2011 7:08PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Satch.....tried to reply to your last message and couldn't. Thank you for the information regarding Ontario birth registrations. I didn't know the year was 1869. Still learning about Ontario genealogy.

Thanks for your help.

Dorothy

Re: 1861 & 1871 Censuses

Posted: 2 Aug 2011 3:36PM GMT
Classification: Query
The death won't be formally registered in Ontario. However, the burial should still be recorded by the church. If you can identify the denomination and the congregation, you can then contact the relevant church archives, hoping that the burial records have survived.

Re: 1861 & 1871 Censuses

Posted: 4 Aug 2011 1:57AM GMT
Classification: Query
Thanks so much for this information! I will do that.

Dorothy

Re: 1861 & 1871 Censuses

Posted: 8 Jan 2014 2:40AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Mather
I just came across this post in looking for information on John Douglas Mather, who was Maud's son. I guess we are distantly related. He was my great grandfather on my grandmother's side. Where can I find more information on the family tree?

Thanks
Bridey
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