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Which John Grant?

Which John Grant?

Posted: 22 Jan 2007 5:57PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Grant, Dow, McIntyre
Since the researching the life and family of John Grant UEL, I was wondering if anyone knows for sure whether John "Duldreaggan" or "Duldreggan" Grant is the same man as John "Big John the Robber" Grant or are they two separate men?

What are the differences?

Thanks!
rothycat@hotmail.com

Maggie Barron

Re: Which John Grant?

Posted: 19 Feb 2007 7:07PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Grant
Hi Maggie

I have gleaned the following information from another researcher that might help you answer this question.

Cheers
Kim

VERY TENTATIVELY - NOT VERIFIED - NOT MY WORK
*Ian Grant, sheriff and knight of Inverness in 1434, m Matilda heiress of Glencarnie/Glencharnie, daughter of Gilbert, Lord of Glencharnie, and they had:

*Sir Duncan Grant, First of Freuchie, Chief, inherited Matilda's lands, d 1485, wife not known, and their children included: Catherine who m1 a McIntosh and .... of Sheuglie, Muriel who m a Leslie/Loshi/Leshi and died 1472, and John Grant, The Gentle;

*John Grant, The Gentle, 4th Laird, was old and failing and died in 1584, was in the palace of Holyrood House (Edinburgh) when Rizzio was murdered and helped to rescue Queen Mary, and his children included: William, Patrick and John "The Bard" Grant/aka The Red Bard/aka John of Freuchie.

*John Grant, The Bard, married Margaret Ogilvie and lived in Castle Grant in the Spey;
Covenanters, and their children included: James-of-the-Raids & Freuchie (Hamish na Creagach = of the raids) who owned 2 castles, had 1/2 Glen Urquhart and the Spey (Castle Grant in the Spey); John 'Young John' Grant of Corriemony; Margaret who m Cummings; Ann who m Hugh Fraser of Lovat; Agnes who m Cameron; Elizabeth who m McKenzie of Kintail; Christie/Christine; daughter who m Gordon of Aboyne; John (Big John/Ian Mor), a natural son, 1509-1548) First of Glenmoriston. (The three sons, James, John and John Mor, were said to be of giant size, athletes, wrestlers, statesmen, Presbyterian/Covenanter churchmen, and of poor morals!).

*John "Big John"/Ian Mor Grant, Laird of Culcabock, Barony of Glenmoriston, m1st Isabella Innes and m2 Agnes Fraser. Their children included: Alexander (natural son), James (natural son) of Wester Elchies?, John Roy of Carron (natural son), Isabella who m a Grant of Ballandollock, maybe John who inherited Castle Freuchie/Castle Grant, and Patrick "Mac Ian Mohr" Second of Glenmoriston, d 1580, m Beatrice Campbell of Cawder.

*Patrick Grant, Second of Glenmoriston and Beatrice Campbell Grant had children: Lillas who m Alexander Grant, First of Shewglie, Archibald Grant and John Grant "Ian of the Battle" who m Ellizabeth Grant.

*John Grant of-the Battle and wife Elizabeth owned hundreds of square miles of land and lived in London for a few years. Their children included: Duncan Grant First of Duldraggan/Duldreggan who m Catherine McDonald (Duldreggan branch); John Grant "The Tailor/The Tutor) who had a son Duncan Roy; and Patrick Grant of Culbockie who m Margaret Fraser of Culbockie and he d ca 1643.

*Patrick and Margaret Fraser Grant of Culbockie had children: Janet, Mary and John who died 1703.

*John Grant m a Fraser of Struie and he d 1703. His children included: Duncan of Innerwick, daughter, daughter who m Duncan Cameron, Alex of Blairy of Balmacaan, a daughter m Donald McRae, and John Grant who m Janet Bailie and Janet Cameron.

*John Grant who died 1736 m1 Janet Bailie of Dunean and m2 Janet Cameron, daughter of Sir Ewan Cameron, and had 10 sons and 5 daughters (ref here to Scots Magazine which I have not seen). The children of John Grant who died 1736 include: Isobel who m a Shewglie (Duldreggan Branch), daughter who m a Chisholm of ?Kindsfor, James, Ewen of 42nd Black Watch Regiment, Duncan who m .... daughter of Corriemony and he died in India, Alan (said to be a refugee, lived at Strathspey and also at Aird? where he died), Alex of Port Clair & a major in Glengarry Regiment, Patrick who d 1786 and m a dau of John Grant of Craskie, and John "Big John the Warrior" Grant b Glenmoriston.

*John "Big John the Warrior" Grant, Duldreggan Branch, married Mary McIntyre in NY, to NY ca 1773 to Sir William Johnson's Mohawk Valley colony, tried for treason, shipped to Barbados, pardoned along with son Angus and returned to Scotland. John and Mary Grant's children included: Allan who was accidentally killed War of 1812 by an overhanging branch while riding at night; maybe Mary; Alexander - a ship's captain who drowned 1794; and Angus "Laird" Grant, Laird of Martintown, b Glenmoriston, m Nelly McDonell of Leek, dau of Captain Archibald McDonell of Leek.

*Angus Grant, Laird of Martintown, "Ballaquaidaidh" sp? is Larry Kaseberg's great-great-great-great grandfather, m Nelly McDonell of Leek, farmer, 1st Battalion Royal Regiment of New York Rifles under Sir John Johnson, American Revolution, UEL, Glengarry Militia 1812, went from NY to New Johnstown (Cornwall, Ontario), Crown Grant Lot 24 So Side River aux Raisin, 1st Concession. Angus and Nelly's children included: John b between 1773-1790 NY; Angus Jr. UE, prob b Charlottenburgh, Glengarry ca 1781 and d young; Christie/Christian who m Peter "Farmer" Grant (Mildred Grant's family); Capt/Sgt Alexander b between 1772-1786 Inverness who bought a farm from Duncan Grant, lived on the King's Road, was captain of Charlottenburgh Highlanders War of 1837-38, Ensign of Glengarry Fencibles 1812-14, m Flora McPherson --and Rhodes Grant of Martintown once had his sword; Belle/Isabelle b ca 1786 d 1885 m James Fraser 1820; Duncan of Apple Hill b 1777 Kingsborough Patent NY d Kenyon, Glenga!
rry County, Ont. who m Mary McMartin dau of John 17 Dec 1799; Margaret b ca 1778-1785 who m Donald McMartin 1807; Ann/Nancy who m McKinnon; Janet b ca 1783; Allan; and Peter "The Laird" Grant b 1769 Glenmoriston, Scotland d 1843 at Martintown who m Isobella Cameron (1775-1855) dau of John and Nancy Grant Cameron.

* Peter "The Laird" Grant and Isobella Cameron Grant's children included: Christie who m John Grant of the Duldreggan branch, Mildred Grant's grandparents; Margaret; Janet/Jenny Grant who m John Rhodes Smith, grandparents of Rhodes Grant; Angus "The Laird" Grant who m Christie Munroe and became the other grandparents of Rhodes Grant; Peter; Alex; Mary who m Sinclair; Nancy; Belle; and John 1800-1875 who m Mary McIntyre.

Re: Which John Grant?

Posted: 10 Jun 2007 4:12PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: GRANT, McPHAIL, McINTOSH
Read your lengthy reply and was wondering if there is any connection between the James Grant you refer to (John Grant who died 1736 and his son James) and the James Grant I have been looking for? The only information I have is that he married Marjory McPhail on 8 Nov 1782. They are the parents of Isabella Grant(16Aug1810-31Jun1885), my husband's g-g-grandmother, who married Donald McIntosh (1802-8Sept1861). Thank you for any information you might be able to provide.

Re: Which John Grant?

Posted: 6 Jul 2015 5:53PM GMT
Classification: Query
In looking over this old Posting , I don't think Kim totally answered this question , though much of the answer may be found in her note . Big John the Robber Grant b. abt. 1725 d. abt. 1783 while enroute from NY to Canada , married to a Mary McIntyre . He is father of Angus Balagooey Grant aka The Laird of Martintown [owner of Lot 24 SSRR at Martintown] married to Nellie McDonell who were parents of Peter "The Laird" Grant [who took over his father's farm] married to Isobella Cameron who were parents of Christie Grant [who took over her father's farm] and who married John Duldreggan Grant of Lot 26 Street Road Charlottenburg {he being the grandson of John Duldreggan Grant who appears on McNiff's Map 1786 as Mr John Grant holding Lots 25 & 26 Street Road Charlottenburg ]. This elder John Duldreggan Grant b. 1737 d. 1802 [the year the last of his 17 children --- Alpin Grant was born]. This Alpin Grant's mother's name was also Mary McIntyre but she is at least 40 years younger then the Mary McIntyre who mothered Angus Balagooey Grant "Laird of Martintown" .The mixing up of Big John the Robber Grant with the totally different John Duldreggan Grant Lots 25 & 26 was probably compounded by John Duldreggan Grant Lots 25 & 26 oldest son Alexander Alex Grant b. 1756 d. 1851 acquiring part Lot 26 from his father , then he and his wife Ann Nancy McDonell had a son named John Duldreggan Grant who married the afore mentioned Christie Grant and they farmed her Grandfather Angus Balagooey Grant's Lot 24 SSRR at Martintown . Later descendants of this later pair then morphed the two different John Grant into one man .
Clear as mud , isn't it .

Re: Which John Grant?

Posted: 9 Jul 2015 12:20AM GMT
Classification: Query
Yes, very clear Jay.
Anne Neuman
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