I suspect that Finlay Grant (1763-1852) may be the father of my GGF Donald F. Grant (1813--1896) but have been unable to establish this link. Finlay was born in Glen Urquhart, Scotland as was Donald F. Finlay's wife was Margaret Cameron born in Lochebar, Scotland. Donald wife was Barbara Ross born in Williamstown, Ontario. Anyone out there that might be able to help me on this. Thanks
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I am wondering if you have answer your question regarding Finlay Grant being the father of Donald? Also, do you know how the name McKenzie ties in or do you have any theories?
I am interested in the Grants as they also resided on con 1 lot 19 in Charlottenburgh Township and another lot further back from the lake in Glengarry County. My Rose descendants also resided on this lot - the original family members were Alexander Rose and Jane MacKenzie.
Have you done any research wrt Grants and this land? I would be interested in comparing notes?
Any help you can give is appreciated.
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Death: Ancestry.ca Donald F Grant, d 17 Sept 1896,82, farmer, b Scotland, died of old age & debility, Informant: Alex D Grant. # 024368
If you get the full death registration it should have his parent's names on it.
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I am going to try again to tease apart the Grant-Rose connection....Here is what I know...Grants have you come across any of this in your research?
con 1 lot 19 was 'granted' to Kenneth Mackenzie a captain in KRRNY. His brother John Mackenzie also received land in Glengarry County.
Kenneth is the father of Sir Alexander Mackenzie. John Mackenzie was unmarried. Kenneth Mackenzie a widower immigrated to NY with his son Alexander and originally stayed with his brother in law McIvor. War broke out, he and his brother joined the KRRNY and headed north with Alexander and a sister to other family members. (I believe this family was in the Mohawk Valley) The war heated up and Alexander and his aunt went to Montreal where Alexander went on to fame in the fur trade business.
Kenneth and John died and Alexander petition for land as heir on their behalf and received land. Alexander died in Scotland where he had married and father 3 children. His estate in Canada was administered by Henri Mackenzie. The financial dealings get hazy here as there were problems with Alexander's estate - Henri might have been the equivalent of a bankrupt and he passed away in the 1830's..
con1 lot 19 had a Grant family and a Rose family. Alexander Rose was married to Jane Mackenzie who was born in Upper/Lower Canada. Descendants eventually purchased/received this lot in the 1850's from the Grants.
Here are some of my questions/thoughts.... Did Kenneth Mackenzie marry again? a Grant girl? and then fathered Jane Mackenzie (born @1775). He possibly met this Grant girl in the Mohawk Valley...
Alexander Rose met with a Mr. Ellice in Montreal to lodge a claim to the estate of Sir Alexander Mackenzie after Henri died....I don't believe he was successful but the land became official in the 1850's..
Do any Grants have any family stories about being related to Sir Alexander Mackenzie? Have you come across and connections to the Mackenzies or Roses? What do you think?
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Two of my biggest genealogical "brick walls" involve two Grant Women. My 3x's Great Grandfather was Duncan McDonald or ell He married Catherine Grant. They resided at the west 1/2 of lot 23, 2nd Con, So. of the River aux Raisin, otherwise the fourth from the lake, Charlottenburgh Tsp. Catherine died on 14 July, 1843. I have never been able to find any details re her ancestors, birth or marriage date. My 2x's Great Grandfather Alexander McDonald married Flora Grant. They resided on the same lot. Flora died on 09 Nov. 1868. By the information on her gravestone I have calculated her birth to be abt.1807. I have yet to connect her to any ancestors and have not located a birthdate. I know there were an awful lot of Grants in Glengarry. However, I noticed you all have Grants in your family trees, I thought I should take a chance to see if there is any connection with my "brickwall" Grants. If you have any thoughts about this query or any other options I may try I would appreciate some feedback! Cheers, Dennis
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Dennis,
There is a birth of a Flora Grant in St. Raphael's records:
Grant, Flora Baptised 17-Dec-1810, dau of Lewis Grant and of Catherine MacDonald born 14th. sponsors: John MacDonell and Catherine MacDonell
There is also a recorded birth of their daughter Ann but the lot shows as West 1/2 Lot 22. There is also a birth of their son Donald. There is the marriage of their son James and if you don't have the details on these let me know.
I assume you have the following:
Grant, Catherine died 14-July-1843 widow of Duncan MacDonell, mac Dhoil ic William.
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On McNiff's Map 1786 Lot 17 [which is now known as South Branch Road] was shared by John Grant [whom I take to be the son of Finlay Grant formerly of Kingsborough Patent and KRRNY] and the Heirs of Kenneth McKenzie [Kenneth having died previous to the Map being made 1786] .Finlay Grant KRRNY had drawn W 1/2 of Lot 19 Front Charlottenburg which he apparently traded with Kenneth McKenzie's Heirs for their half of the Lot 17 South Branch Road . Finlay Grant name does not appear on McNiff's Map 1786 [though he is thought to have lived until 1806] . It is thought that the elderly Finlay made this trade so he could be near his son John Grant Lot 17 South Branch Road . A Capt. John McKenzie does appear on McNiff's Map 1786 holding part of said Lot 19 Front Charlottenburg , so he may be one of Kenneth McKenzie Heirs . In a different Posting on this Board , Tal MacDonald makes mention of a Land Petition by a John Grant in which his possession of said Lot 17 South Branch Road is being disputed by some McKenzie .
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I found a record in the First and Second Devisee Commission Records in the Archives of Ontario RG MS 657 Reel 24: I found collection of documents from Alexander and William Grant regarding Lot 19 in the 1st Concession. 1) Finlay Grant’s will. Sons John and Lewis are named as Executors. He gives 100 acres of land ½ of Lot 17 in the 2nd Concession SSRR plus a bull and mare to son John. To son Lewis, he gives 200 acres of (not named) plus 2 heifers, and 3 (goats?). This was written in 1798 and witnessed by Alexander Grant, Archibald Grant, and Peter Christie 2) An affidavit by Alexander Grant. He swears that he knew the late John Grant and he was the eldest son of Finlay Grant of the front of Charlottenburgh. 3) John Grant’s well. The will was dated 13 March 1811 and John appoints Alexander Grant, Lewis Grant and Margarett (John’s wife) Grant as Executors. His son Alexander received the W ½ of lot 17, 2nd Conc. SSRR. His son William is to receive E ½ of lot 17, 2n Conc. SSRR. These lands are to remain in possession of John’s wife during her widowhood and also the house and furniture. All of his other land are to be divided by the Executors as they see fit. 4) An affidavit by Alexander Grant swearing that he is now on the E ½ of lot 17, 2nd Conc. SSRR and is the eldest son of the late John Grant and grandson of the late Finlay Grant the original nominee of the West ½ of Lot number 19, in the first Conc. of Charlottenburgh. Both Alexander and William make this affidavit before Archibald McLean, Commissioner on 18 Nov 1826. Alexander claims as heir at law of John Grant deceased, Devisee of the heir to the original nominee of the Crown. The land claimed was the W ½ 19 in the 1st Conc. Charlottenburgh. 5) The original petition of John Grant and the and the Order in Council office land bundle G10 #27, dated 7 Aug 1811. A page was included listing all of these items. [AHenkin?] the Surveyor Generals Office York 11 July 1827
I Certify that the Name of Capt. John McKenzie has been erased from the West half of Lot No. 19 in the first Concession of the plan of the the Township of Charlottenburgh, and the name of Finlay Grant, deceased, written in the said half Lot for the purpose of enabling his heir to claim the land under the Commission for ascertaining titles and lands, under the authority of an Order in Council of 7th August 1811 – and that the description has issued for the half lot. Thos Rideout S. gere.
Notice is hereby given to all whom it may concern that I Alexander Grant of the Township of Charlottenburgh in the Eastern District Yeoman will claim the West Half of Lot Number Nineteen in the first Concession of Charlottenburgh before the Commissioners appointed under and by virtue of an Act of the Parliament of this Provence for ascertaining title to lands of persons entitled to claim the same as Heirs, Devisees, one Assignees of the original Nominee of the Crown at the next meeting of the said Commissions of York in the month of July next for the purpose of establishing by Title thereto as Heir at Law of John Grant of Charlottenburgh deceased of the Heir to the original Nominee of the Crown for the said parcel of Land. Alexander Grant Cornwall, 21 October 1825. I do hereby certify that the above claim has been duly exhibited in my office for the space of thirty days and upwards immediately preceding this date. Cornwall, July 2 1827, Archibald McLean, Clk of the Peace
This may solve your mystery. Barb Gressel
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Cousin Barbara brings more info to the table , but I do not think it solves the mystery , until it is decoded . Serious students, will note , of how our ancestors first came to Canada after the REV WAR , were victualled , and later drew Lot Numbers , as laid out on McNiff's Map 1786 by Patrick McNiff . My own ancestor John Duldreggan Grant Lots 25 & 26 Street Road had remained in Scotland with his 9 children into the year 1785 , and arrived here with 8 of those children in 1786 , and yet he appears on said McNiff's Map 1786 holding not 100 , but 400 acres in one grouping of Lots 25 & 26 Street Road Charlottenburg . There was a great deal of trading and swapping of lands , prior to the names being inserted on that said McNiff's Map 1786 . That is why so many of our ancestors , ended up settling side by side in little groupings . I am happy to entertain opinions on said John Duldreggan Grant Lots 25 & 26 in other postings . Today I shall resolve that Finlay Grant KRRNY mystery . Finlay Grant had drawn part Lot 19 Front [the Front Lots were perceived as prefered -- though all Lots were unimproved at that time ] . Finlay Grant KRRNY was about 50 in 1786 [as per Gavin Watt book KRR NY] and sought to settle next his son John Grant who held ticket for part Lot 17 South Branch Road [ 2nd Con SSRR for you purists ] . Finlay / Finley Grant traded his part Lot 19 Front with the heirs of Kenneth McKenzie who held ticket for other half Lot 17 SBR shared with John Grant on the other half . That would have been that ; but a McKenzie tried to pull off a 2 for NONE and John Grant son of said Finlay Grant took him to court over it . Convoluted as the court case may sound was the result that , if you want part Lot 17 SBR , then we lay claim , in the name of Finlay Grant , for part Lot 19 Front . McKenzie backed off , and I am happy to say that Finlay Grant descendants hold that Lot 17 SBR till today . As a side bar : Finlay Grant and son John [possibly others] deserve UE status . John Duldreggan Grant Lots 25 & 26 Street Road , does not deserve UE status as he sat out the REV WAR and remained in Scotland into 1785 .
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