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Maude (Modie) Belle Carpenter O Rae Utting

Maude (Modie) Belle Carpenter O Rae Utting

Posted: 17 Jul 2011 9:54PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Carpenter, O Rae, Utting, Kittle
I'm looking for any information regarding Maude Belle Carpenter. Some times spelled Moddie. She was born in 1885 in Michigan, USA but spent a significant amount of time in Essex. Her parents were Frank and Allie (?) Carpenter and her sisters were Ida, Nellie, and Goldie. Her husband's (possibly second husband) last name was Utting. She had twin daughters when she was 17 (1902), Vera O Rae and Maxine (Who was given up for adoption.) as well as 2 step sons with Mr. Utting.

Maudie Belle's daughter Vera married George Kittle and was my maternal great grandmother. She discovered her twin Maxine at a chance meeting at a dance class. I'm looking for any information regarding Maudie Belle, her parents, siblings and where/how O'Rae fits in. Any information would be greatly appreciated!

Re: Maude (Modie) Belle Carpenter O Rae Utting

Posted: 20 Jul 2011 4:26AM GMT
Classification: Query
Here is her marriage registration to Utting.

William Gerald Utting, 28, b New Port [cannot read state or province], sawmill manager, s/o Eugene Utting & Minnie Ryder, living Detriot, married Moddie Belle Carpenter,spinster, 27, b Bay City Michigan, living Detroit, d/o Frank Carpenter & Allie Guthrie, 28 April 1912, Windsor Essex, Registration #001842.
Note on bottom of license:
The reason for procuring the marriage to be solemnized in Windsor is not in order to evade due publicity or for any other improper reason.

Marriage of sisters

Richard Otto Dicks, 21, molder, living Detroit, s/o Gustav Dicks & Johanna Augustine married Ida L Carpenter,20, living Detroit,d/o Frank Carpenter & May Guthrie, 24 Dec 1909, Windsor Essex # 24 Dec 1907.

Charles David Dell, 26, b Strathroy Ont, living Detroit, s/o George Dell & Jennie Brown, married Nellie Carpenter, 24, b Hector? Ohio, d/o Frank Carpenter & Allie Guthrie, 1 June 1912, Windsor, Essex. # 001988.

I don't see a border crossings for any of them.

Re: Maude (Modie) Belle Carpenter O Rae Utting

Posted: 20 Jul 2011 11:21AM GMT
Classification: Query
Here is a bit more for you. I notice on the marriage of Vera O'Rae the father is listed a William.

Name: Melly Carpenter
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 27 Mar 1887
Birthplace: Perry, Putnam, Ohio
Father's Name: Frank Carpenter
Father's Birthplace:
Mother's Name: Allice Guthrie
Mother's Birthplace:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C01401-1
System Origin: Ohio-ODM
Source Film Number: 915767
Collection: Ohio Births and Christenings, 1821-1962

Name: Ida Lenora Carpenter
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 13 Jun 1889
Birthplace: Monitor, Bay, Michigan
Father's Name: Frank Carpenter
Mother's Name: Allie Mae Guthria
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C03421-3
System Origin: Michigan-ODM
Source Film Number: 2321098
Collection: Michigan Births and Christenings, 1775-1995

Name: Goldie Carpenter
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 14 Jun 1894
Birthplace: Saginaw, Saginaw, Michigan
Father's Name: Franklin Carpenter
Mother's Name: Allie
Mother's Birthplace:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C02554-7
System Origin: Michigan-ODM
Source Film Number: 2322561
Collection: Michigan Births and Christenings, 1775-1995

Groom's Name: Augus G. Kettle
Groom's Age: 22 years
Groom's Birth Date: 1900
Groom's Birthplace: Ontario
Bride's Name: Vera M. O'Rae
Bride's Age: 20 years
Bride's Birth Date: 1902
Bride's Birthplace: Michigan
Marriage Date: 02 Nov 1922
Marriage Place: Detroit, Wayne, Michigan
Groom's Father: Geo. J.
Groom's Mother: Alice Mccaffery
Bride's Father: Wm.
Bride's Mother: Maude Carpenter
Film Number: 2342753
Frame Number:
Digital Folder Number: 4210099
Image Number: 311
Reference Number: v 10 rn 238489
Collection: Michigan Marriages, 1868-1925

Re: Maude (Modie) Belle Carpenter O Rae Utting

Posted: 20 Jul 2011 7:10PM GMT
Classification: Query
Thanks! The info is appreciated.

Vera's stepfather was William G. Utting.

Re: Maude (Modie) Belle Carpenter O Rae Utting

Posted: 30 Sep 2011 1:25PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Utting
I am trying to find my maternal Grandfather. His name was Harold C. Utting. His father was William G. Utting. Is it your understanding that William had Harold and Norman before he married Maude Belle?
My Grandmother Thelma L. Swaney married Harold, had 2 daughters, Nellie and Beverly Utting. Beverly is my mother. She told the story that Harold left when she was very young and remarried. She only remembers talking to her father 3 or 4 times in her life. Once at the funeral of her sister. Harold did not tell his second family about his first.
If you have any other information about these people I would greatly appreciate the help in locating my ancesters.

Re: Maude (Modie) Belle Carpenter O Rae Utting

Posted: 30 Sep 2011 2:54PM GMT
Classification: Query

1920 census
Norman L Utting born 1904
Harold C Utting born 1913

marriage 1912 stated above

Re: Maude (Modie) Belle Carpenter O Rae Utting

Posted: 30 Sep 2011 3:07PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Utting
Thanks for that, what I found was Norman dob 1904 and Harold dob 1912, which was just 7 mo. after William and Maude were married. I have their dom as Apr of 1912. Since Harold was born after William and Maude married I am supposing that Maude is Harolds biologial mother. Census records state Maude as mother of both brothers however.

Re: Maude (Modie) Belle Carpenter O Rae Utting

Posted: 30 Sep 2011 4:27PM GMT
Classification: Query
I don't have much info past Maude and William G. Utting, but here's what I do have.

William's parents were Eugene Utting and Minnie D. Ryder. His maternal grandparents were Charles E. Ryder and Darling?

Maude's parents were Frank Carpenter and Allie Guthrie. I haven't found much on either of their parents, but Allie's grandmother was Mary Hall. (Found in family bible.)

Both William and Maude had previous relationships/marriages that produced children before their marriage. Maude had twin daughters with someone with the last name O'Rae. She kept one (Vera) and adopted out one (Maxine.)

Re: Maude (Modie) Belle Carpenter O Rae Utting

Posted: 30 Sep 2011 7:59PM GMT
Classification: Query
What the record states is that William HOH is the father of both children.

My father's census record reads the same for his step-mother - listing her as the mother. A more logical assumption given the marriage data is that she is the step mother of one and the mother of the other.

Re: Maude (Modie) Belle Carpenter O Rae Utting

Posted: 30 Sep 2011 8:55PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Utting
I believe that is what I am going to go with. That Maude was Harold's biological mother and Norman step mother.
Thanks for your help. It is greatly appreciated.
Teresa
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