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Re: Hoskin family

Posted: 19 Nov 2012 6:32PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Hoskin
Hi ... no, absolutely no luck making any connection to parents of Phillippa (Hoskin) Costley. I did locate new information on Phillippa, but once the info arrived, no record of parents, and in this case, I would certainly have thought so, based on the fact the records were from her stay at Rockwood Asylum in Kingston. Finally found where she is buried, one brick wall gone, but unable still to find anything to support who her parents were.
Thank you for asking. :)
Heather

Re: Hoskin family

Posted: 19 Nov 2012 6:55PM GMT
Classification: Query

in Darlington 1851 census there was a William and Mary Hoskin both born England ...he about 1800 died about 1885 . Mary was Mary Mullis born about 1796 . Both buried Bethesda Cemetery north of Bowmanville. We know of 4 children for them.

Re: Hoskin family

Posted: 22 Nov 2012 1:06AM GMT
Classification: Query
1 - Philippa

I just searched the Cornwall Family History Society's Research Database (which I highly recommend) and found this baptism at Tintagel.

Date: 12 Aug 1827
Surname: Hosken
Child: Philippa
Father: Pasco
Mother: Mary

I had hoped to also post here a link to FamilySearch with the image of this baptism, but it turns out that they have no images from Tintagel among their Cornwall Parish Registers on the web.

Searching the CFHS DB marriages, this is the only Pasco & Mary that is close in date and wives. It was at Tintagel. I searched on Pas* Hosk?n*, and seven marriages came back from 1567 to 1818, with five of those being in Tintagel and one each in Ludgvan (1567) and Tresmere (1810).

Date: 13 Oct 1818
Husband: Pasko Hosking
Wife: Mary Brown

Going back to the baptisms, Pasco and Mary had these children, all at Tintagel:

1820 Mar 19 - Thomas Sloggatt Hoskin
1822 Sep 15 - William Hoskin
1824 Dec 5 - James Hosken
1827 Aug 12 - Philippa Hosken
1829 Feb 8 - Betsey Hosken
1830 May 2 - Richard Hosken
1832 Jan 22 - Mellacent Hosken

I suspect a new vicar arrived between 15 Sep 1822 and 5 Dec 1824, who chose to write the name as Hosken. So it probably was the case that the parents were illiterate.

2 - Darlington William and Mary (Mullis) Hoskin

The William who married Mary Mullis who one post has in the 1851/2 Darlington census and who may be the same ones another post has in 1861 ... this William and Mary married 6 Oct 1825 at Altamun, according to the CFHS DB.

3 - East Whitby Butson-Hoskin connections

I have several East Whitby area (and thus including Darlington and Bowmanville) Hoskins who married into my Butsons and related families on both sides of the pond:

Blanch Hoskin (bap 21 Nov 1702 St Stephen in Brannel to John Hoskin) married 26 Nov 1726 St Stephen in Brannel to William Rickard

Ann Hawkin - Hocking - Hoskins (b c1725) married 10 Dec 1748 Luxulyan to Humphrey Keam

John Hoskin (b 20 Sep 1883 Laxton Tp, Victoria Cty to James and Victoria (Ferguson) Hoskin) married Jan 1951 Port Perry area to Viola May Butson








Re: Hoskin family

Posted: 24 Nov 2012 4:20AM GMT
Classification: Query
I am at a loss for words. You found Phillippa!!!! A brick wall looks to be coming down. You have no idea how grateful I am to you for this information!!!!
I have never heard of this website but will definitely be taking a look at it. I have used the Cornwall OPC Database numerous times.
You would think I would be more then grateful with what you have already provided me, but is there anything that indicates who the parents were of either Pascoe or Mary Browne? I look forward to learning what I can about Tintagel and the family.
I did a search, http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kayhin/401...
1841 Census,
Enumeration District 7, Parish of Tentagel, Book 15, Folio 26, Page 2
Phillippa Hoskin 15 Female Servant In Country
Wondering if this would be my Phillippa(?) I now have much research to do, thank you for bringing this brick wall down for me. Phillippa didn't marry my gg grandfather, William Costley possibly changed from Costello, until 1858 in Campbellford, Seymour Twp., Northumberland Co., Ontario. I have no idea what year she immigrated but with this new information you provided me, maybe now I can get closer to finding out when she immigrated.
A piece of info that has always confused me was the witness at her marriage which I found in her marriage record. A "William Pascoe" is listed as the witness. I've always wondered if this was a transcription error or error on the part of the person recording the marriage or the witness' name really was William Pascoe or maybe William Hoskin. I have search many records in Ontario to locate Pascoe and Mary but they have never turned up. I was only looking in the Darlington area for her family because my mother believed that was where she had family and William Costley was first in the Cobourg/Darlington area prior to moving on to Campbellford.
Again, thank you!!!!!!
Heather

Re: Pasco Hoskin / Mary Brown

Posted: 24 Nov 2012 6:47AM GMT
Classification: Query
As I said in my first note, I highly recommend the Cornwall Family History Society research database. You have to pay the CFHS membership plus the DB fee (I just pay for the whole year, since I use it so much). It has been well worth the cost for me.

Not sure how well this tabular form will work. Here are all the Pas* H?sk*n* baptisms for all dates in all of Cornwall:

HOSKEN Pascoe Ellis Son HOSKEN William - Mary St Buryan 6 Sep 1835

HOSKIN Pascha Son HOSKIN James - - Tintagel ?? Jan 1682

HOSKIN Pasko Son HOSKIN James - Charity Tintagel 22 Jan 1785

HOSKIN Pasko Son HOSKIN Pasko - Catherine Tintagel 25 Jun 1758

HOSKIN Pasko Son HOSKIN Pasko - Mary Tintagel 11 Feb 1741

HOSKIN Pasko Son HOSKIN Thomas Slogget - Elizabeth Tintagel 12 Oct 1783

HOSKIN Paskow Son HOSKIN James - Mary Tintagel 28 Jan 1717

HOSKING Pasko Son HOSKING Thomas Sloggett - Elizabeth Tintagel 14 Mar 1790

Clearly Tintagel was where this name thrived. The most likely one for the 1818 marriage was the 1790 birth, apparently the second Pasco of these parents with the first one born 1783 apparently having died. But you cannot overlook the possibility that the 1785 baptism was him. But since the first child (1820) of Pasco and Mary was Thomas Sloggat Hoskin, clearly named for Pasco's father, it seems pretty likely that the 1790 baptism was the 1818 groom.

Here are the children of Pasco's parents, all at Tintagel:

HOSKIN Joan Dau HOSKIN Thomas Slogget - Elizabeth Tintagel 7 May 1786

HOSKIN John Son HOSKIN Thomas Sloggett - Elizabeth Tintagel 30 Sep 1793

HOSKIN Mary Dau HOSKIN Thomas Sloggett - Elizabeth Tintagel 13 Mar 1796

HOSKIN Pasko Son HOSKIN Thomas Slogget - Elizabeth Tintagel 12 Oct 1783

HOSKIN William Son HOSKIN Thomas Sloggett - Elizabeth Tintagel 15 Jan 1788

HOSKING Ann Dau HOSKING Thomas Sloggett - Elizabeth Tintagel 10 Sep 1789

HOSKING Pasko Son HOSKING Thomas Sloggett - Elizabeth Tintagel 14 Mar 1790

HOSKING Thomas Son HOSKING Thomas Sloggatt - Elizabeth Tintagel 19 Feb 1800

There is no clear candidate for the marriage of Thomas & Elizabeth ... a 1778 Thomas & Elizabeth at St Austell had children at the same time and can be ruled out but the only other candidate is at 1788 in Mylor where I find no baptisms ... Mylor is a long way from Tintagel, and the births at Tintagel start in 1783. So perhaps they married in Devon?

Pasco's father appears to be the 18 May 1762 Thomas Slogget Hoskin baptism at Tintagel to Pasko and Joan.

Mary Brown is a tough one to nail down, since it is such a common name. Perhaps if you can find the marriage witnesses there may be some clue. Here are all the Mary Brown baptisms, just at Tintagel, with there being no guarantee that she was from Tintagel:


BROWN Mary Dau BROWN John - Elizabeth Tintagel 19 Dec 1776 Privately

BROWN Mary Dau BROWN John - Elizabeth Tintagel 6 Apr 1780 Privately - Received into Church 29 Apr

BROWN Mary Dau BROWN John - Elizabeth Tintagel 7 Jan 1816

BROWN Mary Dau BROWN John - Elizabeth Tintagel 9 Mar 1777

BROWN Mary Dau BROWN John - Mary Tintagel 11 Jan 1783

BROWN Mary Dau BROWN John - Mary Tintagel 9 Jan 1791

BROWN Mary Dau BROWN Ralph - Jane Tintagel 25 Aug 1722

BROWN Mary Dau BROWN Richard - Jenifer Tintagel 2 Feb 1797

BROWN Mary Dau BROWN Thomas - Susanna Tintagel 27 Jul 1771

BROWN Mary Dau BROWN William - Catherine Tintagel 23 Oct 1806

BROWN Mary Dau BROWN William - Elizabeth Tintagel 3 Sep 1802

BROWN Mary Dau BROWN William - Mary Tintagel 2 Aug 1835

BROWN Mary Dau BROWN William - Mary Tintagel 29 May 1757

BROWN Mary Dau BROWN William - Susan Tintagel 22 Jan 1832

BROWN Mary Dau BROWN William - Ulalia Tintagel 20 Nov 1774

Many Hoskin families

Posted: 24 Nov 2012 4:19PM GMT
Classification: Query
You have helped Heather . Maybe you can offer insight to me about the many Hoskin families in Durham County early times.
Wm Hoskin & Mary Mullis in Darlington in 1851 with 4 children...have sorted them okay

Annie Hoskin 1834 - 1897 in Darlington on her own md James Mountjoy..no idea of her parents

John Hoskin 1828 - 1906 ...a sawyer at Leskard ...no idea of parents ....2 wivesBetsy Wilson & Mary Ann Finlay ...2 families

Thomas Hoskin 1813 - 1885 sp Eliza Rundle Thomas s/o Thomas & Eliza ....Eliza buried 1851 Pioneer Cemetery Oshawa

Richard & Eliza in Darlington in 1851 ...he died about 1889 ...no idea of parents

Re: Thomas & Elizabeth Hoskin

Posted: 24 Nov 2012 5:58PM GMT
Classification: Query
I am going to have to deal with these separately as time allows.

I am attaching three photos from the Bond Street Methodist Cemetery, now known as the Oshawa Pioneer Memorial Garden.

- Elizabeth's stone that you mentioned (1851)
- their son William Henry's stone (1837)
- the 1853 stone of Robert Rundle, son of Robert & Elizabeth Rundle

I do not find a match for William son of Thomas and Elizabeth in the CFHS DB. He was 3-11-7 when he died 7 Mar 1837, which computes to a birth 28 Mar 1833. The only baptism in the CFHS DB after this date is the William Woodcock Hosking 8 Jan 1836 Breage. The image is at https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11785-107292-35 and does not include a birth date. He could have been born in Canada.

Elizabeth was born about 1781 (age 70 at 1851 death). So she probably first married about 1800-1810. If her marriage to Thomas Hoskin was her first. Here are all the Thomas-Elizabeth marriages in all Cornwall for all dates, in the order returned by the search (not sure what that order is):

Husband Name Wife Name Parish Date Remarks
Thomas HOSKEN Elizabeth WARREN St Buryan 20 Jan 1827

Thomas HOSKEN Elizabeth DYER St Pinnock 3 Jul 1677

Thomas HOSKIN Elizabeth PHILLIPS Endellion 21 Dec 1805

Thomas HOSKIN Elizabeth WOOLCOCK Helston 17 Jan 1832

Thomas HOSKIN Elizabeth NECARRES Lamorran 17 Nov 1695

Thomas HOSKIN Elizabeth GILL Lesnewth 13 May 1830

Thomas HOSKIN Elizabeth WILTON Liskeard 31 Aug 1612

Thomas HOSKIN Elizabeth HOCKING Luxulyan 14 Sep 1801

Thomas HOSKIN Elizabeth JENKIN St Allen 5 Nov 1836

Thomas HOSKIN Elizabeth PETERS St Austell 25 Oct 1778

Thomas HOSKIN Elizabeth TREVEEAN St Erth 17 Nov 1722

Thomas HOSKING Elizabeth WEBBER Lelant 16 Oct 1824

Thomas HOSKING Elizabeth BENNETT Liskeard 9 Dec 1754

Thomas HOSKING Elizabeth HALL Mylor 7 Mar 1788

Thomas HOSKING Eliza TRATHEN Phillack 27 Sep 1829

Thomas HOSKING Elizabeth PELLOW St Erth 3 May 1826

Thomas HOSKING Eliza HUNKIN St Hilary 25 Mar 1830

Thomas HOSKING Elizabeth OSBORN St Hilary 21 May 1836

Thomas HOSKINS Elizabeth KELLY Helston 29 Dec 1651

Thomas HOSKYN Elizabeth HOSKYN Blisland 10 Sep 1753

Thomas HOSKYN Elizabeth STROUT Blisland 17 Sep 1543

Thomas HOSKYN Elizabeth POLGLACE Breage 20 Sep 1590

Thomas HOSKYN Elizabeth MORRISH Lelant 14 Jan 1670/71 ? BT only

Thomas HOSKYN Elizabeth THOMAS Phillack 4 May 1728

Thomas HOSKYN Elizabeth GILBERT Roche 21 Sep 1700 BT only

Thomas HOSKYN Elizabeth CHAPMAN St Allen 1 Jan 1805 BT only

So this one is not going to be simple to research. The Oshawa families were mainly from Luxulyan and St Blazey. There are only three marriages in the 1800-1810 period, and one of those is at Luxulyan: wife Elizabeth Hocking married 14 Sep 1801.

Searching baptisms on Eli* Ho*k*n* returns more than the 150 limit of the CFHS DB. Restricting it to just Luxulyan does find one: Elizabeth Hosken to Richard and Jinifer baptized 14 Oct 1781. This could be her, but with so many other possibilities to consider, it would take a lot more research to narrow it down.

Similarly there are just too many Tho* Ho*k*n* hits in all of Cornwall over all years (there is NO selection nor sorting by year, which is one of the very few problems with the CFHS DB). There are surprisingly few in Luxulyan:

Surname Forename Relation Father Surname Father Forename Mother Surname Mother Forename Parish Baptism Date Remarks
HOSKIN Thomas Son HOSKIN Thomas - Elizabeth Luxulyan 3 Mar 1814

HOSKING Thomas Son HOSKING Richard - Jinifer Luxulyan 26 Dec 1772

HOSKING Thomas Son HOSKING William - Jone Luxulyan 15 Jun 1739

HOSKINS Thomas James Tremelling Son - - HOSKINS Catherine Luxulyan 25 Jan 1864

The 1772 is the only candidate, but it may just as well have been that the Thomas married 1801 at Luxulyan was not born at Luxulyan. There are just too many to research easily.

Going back to the baptisms and searching for Luxulyan children of an 1801 marriage, there were many:

Surname Forename Relation Father Surname Father Forename Mother Surname Mother Forename Parish Baptism Date Remarks
HOSKEN Elizabeth Dau HOSKEN Thomas - Elizabeth Luxulyan 1 May 1805

HOSKEN Richard Son HOSKEN Thomas - Elizabeth Luxulyan 13 Apr 1804

HOSKEN Richard Son HOSKEN Thomas - Elizabeth Luxulyan 4 Mar 1810

HOSKIN Ann Dau HOSKIN Thomas - Elizabeth Luxulyan 27 Mar 1812

HOSKIN Jane Dau HOSKIN Thomas - Elizabeth Luxulyan 7 Apr 1816

HOSKIN Thomas Son HOSKIN Thomas - Elizabeth Luxulyan 3 Mar 1814

HOSKIN William Son HOSKIN Thomas - Elizabeth Luxulyan 2 Aug 1802

HOSKYN Mary Dau HOSKYN Thomas - Elizabeth Luxulyan 16 Aug 1807

The baptisms end at 1814 -- long before the 1833 son buried in Oshawa in 1837. In 1833, Elizabeth would have been 52 -- not impossible but really unusual.

I do think the Luxulyan couple are the most likely ones for the Elizabeth who died 1851, but that leads to a mother giving birth at age 52, making me wonder if there were two Thomas & Elizabeth Hoskin couples in Oshawa.

The 1814 son could have married young and been the 1833 father. There are only 3 pre-1833 Thomas-Elizabeth marriages in the list above, and none are at parishes near Luxulyan (Helston, Lesnewth [unless it was the one by Par, which seems unlikely for the DB], St Hilary). So a Canada marriage may have been what happened, if there were two couples.

The bottom line here is that this one is not going to be easy to figure out.

Not sure how the Rundles fit in. There are no Robert Rundle-Elizabeth Ho*k*n* marriages in the CFHS database ... in fact no marriages of a Rundle to a Ho*k*n* wife named Eliza or Elizabeth. So this too may have been a Canada marriage ... or perhaps Devon.
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Re: Pasco Hoskin / Mary Brown

Posted: 24 Nov 2012 7:57PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Pasco Hoskin / Mary Brown
Thank you so so much for all your help!!!! You have given me so much to think about and to work with, to see what else I can possibly learn about all these people. Tintagel is a new parish for me to work with. Sheviock and Kilkhampton are two I have done extensive research with but never heard of Tintagel until all this info. Look forward to learning more about the parish. Again, thank you so much!!!!

Re: Pasco Hoskin / Mary Brown

Posted: 24 Nov 2012 8:29PM GMT
Classification: Query
Tintagel is most famous as the place that claims to be where Arthur's Camelot was. There are plenty of Roman artifacts in the area. But the Camelot claim is not at all certain. Be prepared for a physical workout if you take the hike down and up to the site.

Re: Pasco Hoskin / Mary Brown

Posted: 24 Nov 2012 10:04PM GMT
Classification: Query
I've been googling Tintagel. Think I have a lot to read and learn.

I hope you don't mind, but I'd like to run a couple things past you to see if you agree with the thought I'm on the right tract here.

per Cornwall OPC Database
Marriages

Record # 228720
Day Monh 11-Sep
Year: 1761
Parish or Reg District: Tintagel
Groom Forename: Pasco
Groom Surname: Hoskin
Bride Forename: Joan
Bride Surname: Cock
Transcriber Notes; Phillimores
Transcriber: Eleanor Twist

per Cornwall OPC Database
Marriages

Record 228834
Day Month: 09-Jun
Year: 1783
Parish or Reg District: Tintagel
Groom First Name: Thomas Slogett
Groom Surname: Hoskin
Bride First Name: Elizabeth
Bride Surname: Parsons
Transcriber Notes: Phillimores
Transcriber: Eleanor Twist

Would you agree these are the two generation prior to Pascoe Hoskin, married to Mary Brown? Seems to fit, in my opinion.

I hope you don't mind me asking for your opinion. As you seem to have much knowledge of Cornwall, this area specifically, I do value your opinion. Would you be able to answer something for me ... Transcriber Notes read Phillimores, what would that mean? Any idea?

Heather
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