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R Carnes (View posts)
Posted: 9 May 2006 2:47PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: carns/Carnes
Looking for information on Jacob Christian Carns and his wife Elizabeth Walliser, and Jacob Carns Zr and his wife Elizabeth Warner, lived in Mountian and Matilda twps lived there 1770's to early 1800's. Any information would be helpful.

Re: Carns

Posted: 13 May 2006 7:07PM GMT
Classification: Query
R.Carnes...I have nothing definite for you but do have some possabilities from www.ancestry.com's index and www.censusfinder.com records.

It looks like they may be displaced loyalists from New York.

From www.ancestry.com's index:

Jacob, Sr. Carns
Event: Living
Year: 1700-1799
Province: Ontario
Comments: Military.
Source: J.H. Pringle, Judge, County Court, Lunenburgh or the Old Eastern District, Its Settlement and Early Progress, with Personal Recollections of the Town of Cornwall from 1824; to which are added A History of The King's Royal Regiment of New York and other Co
Volume_Page: 376

Jacob, Sr. Carns
Event: Living
Year: 1786
Province: Ontario
Comments: United Empire Loyalist.
Source: The Centennial of the Settlement of Upper Canada by the United Empire Loyalists 1784-1884. (The Celebrations at Adolphustown, Toronto and Niagara, with an Appendix containing a copy of the United Empire List, preserved in the Crown Lands Department at Tor
Volume_Page: 151

Different spelling but right township:

Jacob Cairns
Event: Living
Year: 1785
Province: Ontario
County: Dundas
Place: Matilda Township
Source: Norman K. Crowder, Early Ontario Settlers, A Source Book, Genealogical Publishing Co. Inc., Baltimore, Maryland, 1993.
Volume_Page: 102

Christian Carns
Event: Living
Year: 1700-1799
Province: Ontario
Comments: United Empire Loyalist.
Source: The Centennial of the Settlement of Upper Canada by the United Empire Loyalists 1784-1884. (The Celebrations at Adolphustown, Toronto and Niagara, with an Appendix containing a copy of the United Empire List, preserved in the Crown Lands Department at Tor
Volume_Page: 151




Nothing comes up on an Elizabeth Walliser but all these men come up in the same sources as Jacob Carns is listed.

Anthony Walliser
Event: Living
Year: 1700-1799
Province: Ontario
Comments: Military.
Source: J.H. Pringle, Judge, County Court, Lunenburgh or the Old Eastern District, Its Settlement and Early Progress, with Personal Recollections of the Town of Cornwall from 1824; to which are added A History of The King's Royal Regiment of New York and other Co
Volume_Page: 393

Anthony Walliser
Event: Living
Year: 1786
Province: Ontario
Comments: United Empire Loyalist.
Source: The Centennial of the Settlement of Upper Canada by the United Empire Loyalists 1784-1884. (The Celebrations at Adolphustown, Toronto and Niagara, with an Appendix containing a copy of the United Empire List, preserved in the Crown Lands Department at Tor
Volume_Page: 270

Anthony, Jr. Walliser
Event: Living
Year: 1700-1799
Province: Ontario
Comments: United Empire Loyalist.
Source: The Centennial of the Settlement of Upper Canada by the United Empire Loyalists 1784-1884. (The Celebrations at Adolphustown, Toronto and Niagara, with an Appendix containing a copy of the United Empire List, preserved in the Crown Lands Department at Tor
Volume_Page: 270

John Walliser
Event: Living
Year: 1700-1799
Province: Ontario
Comments: Military.
Source: J.H. Pringle, Judge, County Court, Lunenburgh or the Old Eastern District, Its Settlement and Early Progress, with Personal Recollections of the Town of Cornwall from 1824; to which are added A History of The King's Royal Regiment of New York and other Co
Volume_Page: 393

Martin Walliser
Event: Living
Year: 1700-1799
Province: Ontario
Comments: Military.
Source: J.H. Pringle, Judge, County Court, Lunenburgh or the Old Eastern District, Its Settlement and Early Progress, with Personal Recollections of the Town of Cornwall from 1824; to which are added A History of The King's Royal Regiment of New York and other Co
Volume_Page: 393

Martin Walliser
Event: Living
Year: 1786
Province: Ontario
Comments: United Empire Loyalist.
Source: The Centennial of the Settlement of Upper Canada by the United Empire Loyalists 1784-1884. (The Celebrations at Adolphustown, Toronto and Niagara, with an Appendix containing a copy of the United Empire List, preserved in the Crown Lands Department at Tor
Volume_Page: 270

This may be worth a check;
Eliza Warner
Event: Married
Year: 1831
Province: Ontario
Source: William D. Reid, Marriage Notices of Ontario, Hunterdon House, Lambertville, NJ, 1980.
Volume_Page: 44


Now that you have digested ancestry.com index you should go to www.censusfinder.com

Go to Canda and then to the Dundas County sub section. Look for the last entry in the Dundas County section. It is titled 1790-1886 Church Register Transcription of United Anglican Mission of Williamsburgh, Matilda, Osnabruck and Edwardsburgh.

Opening paragraphs:

"Thanks are due to Johannes Helmut Merz who first made me aware that these records are available. The original Parish Registers of the United Anglican Mission of Williamsburgh, Matilda, and Edwardsburgh 1790-1886 were microfilmed in 1968 by the National Archives of Canada (NAC, MG 9, D7-23, Film M-1496), from originals lent by the Anglican Diocese of Ontario Archives. The Richmond Hill Public Library and NAC made this microfilm available through inter-library loan.

About this Transcription
All entries for the families of Staley, WALLISER and Vetter/Fader were transcribed. Additional entries were transcribed for possible relevancy to my research on the Staley family in Dundas Co., Ontario, Canada. More information on all other families in the following list can be found in the original registers. The spelling of names is exactly as found in the registers. This transcription includes 296 entries which represents about 5.6% of all entries in the registers on this microfilm. I welcome any feedback to correct any errors or omissions, and encourage other researchers to validate and supplement any information from the original registers.
Surnames Found in this Transcription
Adams, Aitcins[?], Albrand, Albrant, Allbrand, Bauch, Bell, Bice, Boice, Boswell, Bouch, Bradley, Brandish, Braus, Brouss, Buchan, Bush, Carman, {CARN*}, Coons, Crauss, Crauss, [Cri]derman, Crysler, Dachstatter, Davis, Dillebach, Dillebagh, Doran, Doren, Dorn, Doty, Dourn, Durtle, Ellis[?], Empey, Empy, Everay, Every, Fader, Feder, Fell, Fisher, Forrester, Forsight, Fralig, Fraser, Fy, Garlaith, Grasberger, Green, Hanes, Hertel, Hiks, Hillyard, Hitchcock, Hunt, Jackson, Johnson, Kack, Kaik, Kampf, Keck, Kek, Kermann, Kern, Kertle, Knaaf, Knaaff, Knauf, Knauff, Koch, Kormann, Kreutermann, Kunze, Loucks, Loucks, Manhart, McBride, McDonald, McDonnel, Meckley, Merckle, Merklie, Merselius, Mitteg[?], Moseley, Mosely, Myers, Peterson, Rass, Redmon, Robshaw, Rose, Ross, Ruth, Sarvis, Sarviss, Schaver, Scott, Sealey, Seber, Seib[?], Serves, Service, Services, Servis, Sever, Sh[werd]tfeger, Shaefer, Shatler[?], Shaver, Shenk, Shnezinger, Shroeter, Shule [Shell?], Skilton, Smith, Soper, Southworth, Staelin, Stählin, Staley, Staly, Stanford, Steinberg, Sterns, Strabeck[?], Strayter, Straytor, Sutham, Tessendon, Thomson, Travers, Tusan, Tuson, Ullrich, Vader, Veter, Vetter, Wallace, Wallis, {Walliser, WALLISER*,} Walter, Weagant, Weart, Weegar, Wymar, Ziron (many more surnames in the registers).

This man has a lot of information up and he only transcribed 5.6% of these anglican church records. A quick review shows the Walliser family listed numerous times. But if it is Elizabeth's family you have a goldmine of information regarding marriages, deaths, baptisms, confirmations. I only scanned the records they run for pages and did not see the Carns name mentioned in the church records of the 7 family trees the man has made. But as he said he only transcribed what he needed which is less than 6% of the total microfilms.

Good luck-hope something clicks for you. if I find anything else I will send it.















Re: Carns

R Carnes (View posts)
Posted: 13 May 2006 11:36PM GMT
Classification: Query
Thanks. its mostly information l have been looking for.

Re: Carns

Michelle (View posts)
Posted: 21 May 2006 1:52PM GMT
Classification: Query
I just bought a new book "The History and Master Roll of the King's Royal Regiment of New York", Reveised Edition by Cruikshank and Watt. Really great updated resource.

Page 242 "Karn, Jacob, born 1747 in America, enlisted 01Feb 1780, 1st Battalion, Private,...lived in Ulster and Pepacton (NY) , in 1784 was in RT5 (Royal Township 5 - Matilda) soldier, woman, two boys, 1>10, 1<10, girl>10. Wife - Elisabeth, b. 1738 d 1813"

Michelle

Re: Carns

R. Carnes (View posts)
Posted: 21 May 2006 4:54PM GMT
Classification: Query
Thanks for the information. its the right family.

Re: Carns

Michelle (View posts)
Posted: 4 Jun 2006 2:51AM GMT
Classification: Query
From the Registers of the Parishes of Williamsburgh, Matilda, Osnabruck, and Edwardsburgh, Microfilm MG 9, D7-23, Film M-1496 (National Archives of Canada)

Book A Page 185 Burials by Rev. Johannes Gunter Weagant
Carns, Elisabeth, consort of Jacob Carns of Matilda, died and was buried 18 March 1813, aged 73 (75?) years, 11 months.

Michelle

Re: Carns/KARN

Posted: 30 Jun 2006 6:58PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 28 Nov 2006 9:16PM GMT
Surnames: CARNS, KARN, KERN, LAWRENCE, LONGSTREET, MOORE, CUDNEY, BECROFT, CLEMENS, LAMPMAN, MOOTE, BOWMAN, MARTIN, RYAN, HARRINGTON, DUNCAN, ADAMS, NANCEKIVELL
The name, "KERN" was changed by one branch of the family to "KARN". So, the name, "Carne", would demonstrate another spelling of it.

Jacob Karn, b. 30 MAY 1786, Woodstock, , , Ontario, m. 15 MAR 1810,or 15Feb - 1810, Woodstock, , , Ontario, Catherine Lampman, 02 JUN 1862, Woodstock, , , Ontario, or near Beachville, Ontario, Canada. Child: Willard Kern, b. 12 MAR 1823, West, , Oxford, Ontario, m. 25 SEP 1849, Of West, , Oxford, Ontario, Isabella Moote, d. 07 DEC 1916, Woodstock, , , Ontario.

60. Jacob Karn, born 20 May 1786 in Probably Morris Co, NJ; died 20 Jul 1874 in nr Beachville, ON, Canada. He was the son of 120. Christopher Kern and 121. Sarah Clemens. He married 61. Catharine Lampman 15 Feb 1810 in West Oxford, Ontario, Canada.

61. Catharine Lampman, born 13 Oct 1790 in West Oxford, ON, Can; died 02 Jun 1862 in nr Beachville, ON, Canada. She was the daughter of 122. Matthys Lampman and 123. Eva Bowman.

Children of Jacob Karn and Catharine Lampman are:
i. Son Karn, died in infancy.
ii. David Karn, born 10 Dec 1810; died 02 Jan 1832 in killed in bush accident; married Sarah Harrington; born 1812; died 1856.
iii. Sarah Elizabeth Karn, born 02 Mar 1812 in West Oxford Twp, Oxford Co, ON, Can; died abt. 12 Jan 1872 in Woodstock, ON, Can; married John Harrington 21 Apr 1940; born 06 Feb 1789 in Shaftsbury, VT; died 06 Dec 1880 in East Zorra Twp. Oxford Co, ON, Can.
iv. Eva Karn, born 26 Apr 1813; died 17 May 1893; married Earl Martin 30 May 1833 in Oxford county, ON; born 02 Oct 1810; died 1895.
v. Sophia Karn, born 29 Aug 1814; died 01 May 1890; married Joseph Ryan 04 Aug 1833 in Beachville; born Apr 1807; died 17 Jan 1865.
vi. Jacob Karn, born 20 Mar 1816; died 12 Sep 1898; married Catherine Brown 11 Oct 1842; born 21 Sep 1821; died 21 Apr 1907.
vii. Anne Karn, born 07 Dec 1817; died 13 Nov 1891; married Freeman Duncan 19 Nov 1840; born 17 Nov 1810; died 09 Jul 1892.
viii. Catherine Jane Karn, born 17 Sep 1819; died 27 Oct 1909 in Anglican Cem., Woodstock, ON; married Richard Adams 12 Aug 1847; born 09 Apr 1813 in Chulmleigh, Eng.; died 18 Nov 1878 in Anglican Cem., Woodstock, ON.
ix. Adam Kearn, born 21 May 1821; died 28 Feb 1856.
30 x. Willard Karn, born 12 Mar 1823 in West Oxford, Oxford, ON, Canada; died 07 Dec 1916 in West Oxford, Oxford, ON, Canada; married Isabella Moote 25 Sep 1849 in Brock Dist, Oxford, ON, Canada.
xi. Lucinda Karn, born 24 Jan 1824; died 28 Feb 1856 in Or 24 Mar 1849.
xii. Christopher Karn, born 24 Jun 1826; died 06 Mar 1909; married Sarah Scott 05 Mar 1850; born 11 Jan 1831; died 29 Aug 1898.
xiii. Marilla Karn, born 22 Sep 1830; died 30 Dec 1902; married John Cummings 01 Mar 1849.
xiv. Mary Karn, born 1831.
xv. Louisa Karn, born 1833.
xvi. John Karn, born 10 Jan 1833 in Upper Canada; died 24 May 1912; married Frances "Fannie" Nancekivell 02 Jan 1855; born 1836 in England; died 31 Dec 1924.

Name Marital Status Gender Ethnic Origin Age Birthplace Occupation Religion
Willard KARN M Male American 58 Ontario Farmer M. C. C.
Isabella KARN M Female American 51 Ontario M. C. C.
Mary KARN Female American 28 Ontario M. C. C.
Elizabeth KARN Female American 25 Ontario M. C. C.
David KARN Male American 24 Ontario M. C. C.
Jacob KARN Male American 22 Ontario M. C. C.
John KARN Male American 20 Ontario M. C. C.
Agnes KARN Female American 9 Ontario M. C. C.

Jacob Karn, A. Soldier R.R.N.Y. Muster Roll. . .

p. 306, Appendix B.
Title: The centennial of the settlement of Upper Canada by the United Empire Loyalists, 1784-1884 : the celebrations at Adolphustown, Toronto, and Niagara ; with an appendix containing a copy of the U.E. list, preserved in the Crown Lands Department at Toronto
Author: United Empire Loyalist Centennial Committee (Toronto, Ont.),
Publisher: Toronto, Ontario: Rose Publishing Company, 1885

Elmer Karn, b. 1897, West Oxford Township, m. Bertha Irene Lawrence, 10 Mar 1921 (Woodstock Newspaper), d. 14Jan1978, unknown place. She is buried in Hillview United, Oxford, Woodstock. She is my 1C, 1R, d/o Joshua Lawrence m. Mary Agnes Moore. Joshua Lawrence is a sibling of Sylvester Lawrence, my grandfather. The Lawrence family is Methodist and Irish Palatine. Loyalist Captain George Lawrence, Butler's Rangers, Fort Niagara, and The War of 1812, is my 3 x ggf, who married Sarah (Sary) Becroft. I am related to his son, William Lawrence m. Mary Cudney, and their descendants through William Francis Lawrence m. Elizabeth Ann Longstreet.

Re: Carns

Posted: 24 Apr 2014 9:02PM GMT
Classification: Query
Jacob Carns is my fifth greatgrandfather
KRRNY
UEL with son Jacob Carns UEL and son Christian Carns
I have material on the family if you have a query re this family

Arthur Pegg UE
Posted: 27 Apr 2014 3:44PM GMT
Classification: Query
am interested in any information, about this family, my e-mail is roncarnes@hotmail.ca.
Posted: 29 May 2014 12:07AM GMT
Classification: Query
do you known if jacob carns jr, married to whom. also do you known if Christian Carns, are Jacob Jr, had any children ?
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