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Seeking Murray kin & information

Re: Seeking Murray kin & information

Posted: 27 Oct 2012 12:28AM GMT
Classification: Query
Pedigree Resource File
name: John MURRAY
gender:Male
birth: 1 February 1677
Unthank, Ewes, Dumfries, Scotland

death:27 February 1728
AFN: 5F67-6TT

Marriages (1)
spouse: Ann BENNETT (AFN: 5F67-8GW )
marriage: 20 April 1712
Chesters, Ancrum, Roxburgh, Scotland

Re: Seeking Murray kin & information

Posted: 27 Oct 2012 4:11PM GMT
Classification: Query
Thank you all for the replies. Hello Dave, I remember we had some correspondence about two years ago. I hope you and yours are doing well. I am a decedent of William Murray, Jr. (Mary’s older brother).

There are still some inconsistencies I have not been able to reconcile however…

First, according to Dale H. Cook, (Member, NEHGS and MA Society of Mayflower Descendants;
Plymouth Co. MA Coordinator for the USGenWeb Project & Administrator of http://plymouthcolony.net), who was kind enough to do some research for me…
“He could not have been born in North Bridgewater in 1722 or 1723 because that town did not exist until 1823. See: Robert T. Swan and Henry Ernest Woods, Editors, "Historical Data Relating to Counties, Cities and Towns in Massachusetts," First Edition (Boston: Wright & Potter, 1920) or any of the four subsequent editions.
No record of his birth is found in the published vital records of Milton or Sandwich. No record of his birth is found in the published vital records of Bridgewater, and no record of his baptism is found in the published vital records of any of the four Bridgewater’s.”

So William’s birthplace is still a mystery to me…

Second, I have seen it said that he is the son of John & Ann (Bennett) Murray, who did indeed have a son named William who was in the army. But in reading the “Letters of James Murray the Loyalist”, who would have been his older brother, William was born on Wednesday, Apr. 10th 1724 in Unthank, Ewes, Dumfries, Scotland and was in Ireland in 1771 where he sold out of the army.
And the Elizabeth Murray Project (http://www.csulb.edu/projects/elizabethmurray/EM/archive.htm...)
Family letters indicate that he remained in London for some time after this. Nothing in all of this family’s correspondence (that I have been able to find) indicate any mention of him ever being in Nova Scotia or marrying at all.

So I fear William’s parents will remain a mystery to me as well…

I would be pleased to hear from any other relations as well.
Again, thank you all…

Fred Murray
mabaas2010@gmail.com

Re: Seeking Murray kin & information

Posted: 22 Dec 2012 11:17PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hello all,

Maybe someone would be so kind as to clear up some issues I keep running into...
I keep seeing this information regarding my 5th great grandparents (William Murray & Joanna Tupper), listing Williams parents as John Murray & Anne Bennett. This would have made him a younger brother to James Murray 'Loyalist', John Murray, MD (Doctor of Norwich), and older brother to Elizabeth Murray-Campbell-Smith-Innman.

But in reading through all the correspondence of these individuals (and there seems to be no shortage of it), I have found the following discrepancies...

1. This William Murray was born in Unthank, Scotland on Wednesday April 10, 1724. (sources below).
2. He sold out of the British army in 1771 in Ireland.
3. In no correspondence do I find any mention of William having been married at all.

I am hopeful that someone can shed some light on this for me. Thank you.

Fred Murray

http://archive.org/details/lettersofjamesm00murr
http://www.csulb.edu/projects/elizabethmurray/EM/collection....

Re: Seeking Murray kin & information

Posted: 7 Sep 2014 10:33PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: MURRAY, DOTY, NICKERSON, TUPPER, FORD
Agree completely with your assessment that Willam Murray and Joanna Tupper from Sandwich, MA are not the same as William and Joanna Tupper from Milton/Liverpool Queens, NS.

The diary of Simeon Perkins, 1766-1780 which is searchable online here:
http://link.library.utoronto.ca/champlain/item_record.cfm?Id...

Provides some clues.

There is frequent mention of a William Murray starting in the beginning of the diary in 1766 of a William Murray who has a sawmill and is a logger. Another prominent resident is Nathan Tupper and there are some Fords mentioned also.

Almost all the residents, 594 out of 623 are from the US so your Wm and Joanna may well have been born in the US, but they were living in Queens in the 1760's on through the 1780's based on the Perkins diary.

This seems like a much more promising line than the links to Wm and Joanna in Massachusetts, although William and Joanna could well be related to them.

To the extent that helps, here's my problem. :>)

I have a James Nickerson Murray Sr in St Mary's Bay, Digby married to a Hephzibah Doty a direct descendant of Edward Doty of Mayflower fame.

There is a second Murray, William, born one year later than James who also married a Doty along with an Albert who married a Doty. Albert is from Liverpool and his parents are David and Priscilla Murray which links the Digby and Liverpool/Milton Murrays.

Everyone has assumed David's wife Priscilla is a Nickerson, though there is no support for this other than other trees which also have no documentation for this.

But, it seems reasonable that James NICKERSON's mother was likely a Nickerson and there are Nickersons in Liverpool/Milton Queens County so that while there is no documentation, it seems a reasonable working assumption.

David and Priscilla were married in 1819, but the first children shown in the various trees are not born until 1832. I'm guessing that they in fact had at least two, James Nickerson 1824 and William 1825 who then moved to Digby County and maybe others between 1819 and 1824.

The early census data for St Mary's Bay is a mess. There are 16 pages in one with no surnames.

The other clue in all this is that the St Mary's Bay Murrays and Dotys were Baptists and among the 18 founding families of the only Baptist Church in the area. There are also some Nickersons on Long Island, just across the Bay from the Murrays and Dotys who were also Baptists so I would guess that if there are records of the Baptists in Milton/Liverpool linking the Murrays, Tuppers, Fords and Nickersons, that may help further clarify this.

Re: Seeking Murray kin & information

Posted: 8 Sep 2014 2:41AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Tupper Murray Gibbs
The Liverpool [NS] Township books show on page 36, the family of Deacon Nathan Tupper and Mrs. Experience Tupper who removed to Nova Scotia in 1760 from New England. A daughter is Johanah Tupper, born 1 Nov 1735.

On page 14 of the same document is shown the marriage in Liverpool of William Murry and Johannah Tupper 17 Apr 1761. I have to presume that these two Johan(n)ah Tuppers are the same person.

In the April 1945 edition of the NEHG Register as part of a series on the descendants of Thomas Tupper is an entry for Nathan Tupper born in Sandwich MA, died in Liverpool NS, married to Experience Gibbs. They had a daughter Joanna, born in Sandwich 1 (18) Nov 1735, so presumably the same family.

I have not looked at the original Sandwich records, so there may be errors in interpreting/transcribing from the original source.

I have, however, looked at the original Liverpool Township books and know that the information is correct as entered back in the 1760s.

It would seem then that the Joanna Tupper who married William Murray in Liverpool is the Joanna Tupper born in Sandwich MA.

Still no definitive information about the antecedents of William Murray or about rumours of an earlier family
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