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ELLS "orphans"

Re: ELLS "orphans"

Posted: 28 Apr 2014 10:07AM GMT
Classification: Query
W. A. LAWSON was a physician, so likely no relation to Mrs. Perry ELLS.

Re: ELLS "orphans"

Posted: 28 Apr 2014 10:56PM GMT
Classification: Query
Thank you Steve for this amazing message which answers so many questions : ) Okay, whether a typo or no, I was attracted to the birthdate given for Asenath... I had that she was b abt 1849 from census returns... in 1871 Asenath is listed as 21, so born abt 1849 and in 1881 Asenath's age is given as 29, so b abt 1851 and in 1891 Annette's[Asenath's] age is given as 43 so b abt 1847... I didn't get to the 1901 or 1911 or 1921 census'... but then thought to check Asenath's death record, which states Asenath was born Sep 3, 1849, info supplied by daughter, Mrs Burgess Smith.

Well that lead to looking at death returns for Sophia C Cole and bingo : ) ...there was the connection to Mary Ann Willigar, who Mrs Glen Cole, Sophia's daughter, gave as Sophia's mom and also adjusts Sophia's age to 15 Aug 1850... so age at time of marriage was rounded upwards.

But then third answer... to the question of the discrepancy of Perry's 1854 death date and Catherine's 1855 birthdate was the answer in Catherine Pettis' death return... Catherine lived to be a 100 years old and her daughter, Mrs Lanley? (sorry need younger eyes to read this name) Hatfield gives Catherine's birthdate as Oct 27 1853... so age given at time of marriage was slightly exaggerated... and thus explains how all three children were born before Perry's passing in 1854, which I expect will be the age on Perry and Mary Ann's gravestone in the Advocate Cemetery.
Eric

Re: ELLS "orphans"

Posted: 28 Apr 2014 11:22PM GMT
Classification: Query
...never pays to be in a hurry... it was Sophia who lived to be a 100 not Catherine... oh boy, sorry... it was just Catherine's birthdate that solved the apparent discrepancy of her birthdate and Perry's deathdate.

Re: ELLS "orphans"

Posted: 29 Apr 2014 12:31AM GMT
Classification: Query
Eric,

Leslie Clayton HATFIELD m. 29 Jun 1910 Etta Loomer PETTIS, daughter of John Will PETTIS and Catherine ELLS. Children of John and Catherine that I've found:
Herbert Ells b. abt 1874
Wilbert Johnson b. 9 May 1876
Lillian b. abt 25 Aug 1878
Etta Loomer b. 17 Aug 1881
Annie b. abt 26 May 1885

Back to Perry ELLS and wife Mary Ann WILLIGAR. Your work on their children's birthdates compresses births to 1849, 1850, and 1853. I wonder if the 1843 marriage date might be in error? Mary Ann's year of birth of about 1829 makes her a very young bride. A marriage date of 1848 would make much more sense, so I'm a bit skeptical of the veracity of the 1843 marriage date. On the other hand, maybe he married a child bride and they waited a while before having children or there's a missing child or two we haven't yet identified.

Steve

Re: ELLS "orphans"

Posted: 29 Jul 2015 2:33PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 2 Aug 2015 1:39AM GMT
Surnames: Ells, Loomer, Newcomb, Simpson
All,

In the 1881 Census of Canada (District: Kings, Sub-district: Canning), the widowed Olive Caroline Loomer Ells, 80, is seen as head of household with her widowed son, Judah Ells (b. 1836, d. 1905) age 43, and his children [by the late Hanna M. Simpson], Charles, Bessie, Annie and John [eldest son (or daughter) Simpson not present]. She is *not* with her son-in-law, Judah W. Ells, husband of Olive's daughter Mary, who was the son of Jedediah Ells and Hannah [Newcomb] as stated in their marriage record.

See the census index here: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MV6B-GJS
See the marriage record of Judah W. Ells and Mary Ells (second cousins) here: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F224-RX3

Judah W. Ells emigrated to Massachusetts, perhaps in 1871, He and Mary had at least three children there, Everett Edward Ells, Owen Lawson Ells and Martha Washington Ells. He is fairly well documented here: https://familysearch.org/tree/#view=ancestor&person=27SD...

Judah Ells, husband of Hanna Newcomb, is very well sourced and documented here: https://familysearch.org/tree/#view=ancestor&person=KHK5...

Tom

Children of Judah ELLS and Hannah SIMPSON

Posted: 29 Jul 2015 2:47PM GMT
Classification: Query
Thomas,

I don't have a Simpson ELLS in this family. You say he was the eldest son? I have a Frederick b. abt 1864, then your Charles, Bessie, Annie, and John S. that are given in the census records. Is it possible that Frederick was your Simpson, or perhaps John's middle name was Simpson?

Steve

Re: Children of Judah ELLS and Hannah SIMPSON

Posted: 2 Aug 2015 1:29AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 2 Aug 2015 1:30AM GMT
Surnames: Ells, Lingley
Steve,

I ought to have said oldest son or daughter, because the situation is a bit doubtful. The source of the information on Simpson Ells is an extract of a birth record for which no image is available online. The extract may be seen at this link: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F2WB-Z62. The original record may be seen on microfilm (FHL Film Number 1,298,808, Item 2, Births, Hants, 1864-1870).

Here is the comment I have placed on Simpson Ells' details page on FamilySearch Family Tree:

See: https://familysearch.org/tree/#view=ancestor&person=L87R...

"Contradictory and doubtful records

"This child of Judah Ells and Hanna M. Simpson, born in 1864, may have had the given name Frederick, not Simpson, and may have been male, not female. There is something suspicious about the index of the birth record. See: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/CAN-NS-KINGS/2.... A Fred Ells was also born in 1864 according to the 1871 Census of Canada."

I do see that the use of Simpson as a given name persisted in this family into the next generation, with the birth of George Simpson Ells, son of Charles Alfred Ells and Charlotte Hannah Lingley, in Brooklyn, New York, in 1902. See: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WHX-GPH.

I have ordered the microfilm and will report back.

Tom





Re: Children of Judah ELLS and Hannah SIMPSON

Posted: 2 Aug 2015 11:22PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: ELLS
If you look at that abstract for the birth of Simpson ELLS, b. 23 Jan 1864, you'll note that it says the record was #2 on page 35. Here is Page 35 from the Nova Scotia Historical Vital Stats:
https://www.novascotiagenealogy.com/ItemView.aspx?ImageFile=...

The record was for a female b. 23 Jan 1867, which I have as Bessie.

If Fred and Charles were both enumerated in the 1871 census, then perhaps Fred died between 1871 and 1881 (or had moved away) since Fred is not enumerated with the rest of the family in the 1881 census.

Was that your only source for a "Simpson ELLS"? I wouldn't doubt that John S. ELLS was John Simpson ELLS, but would like to see that spelled out somewhere or another mention of a Simpson ELLS whose birthdate is close to John's.
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