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Re: Abbott and Fifield from Bonavista

Posted: 8 Oct 2013 2:13AM GMT
Classification: Query
Thanks for the information.

Re: Abbott and Fifield from Bonavista

Posted: 9 Feb 2014 3:34AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi,
I am descended from Robert Kelland Oakley, brother to John Thorne Oakley.
I would be interested in any info you have on Robert's Oakley ancestors or descendants.
Thank you.

Re: Abbott and Fifield from Bonavista

Posted: 9 Feb 2014 3:05PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Cheryl, I am a 3rd cousin to Margaret Grieve (Oakley). Her father was Wilfred James Oakley (1925-1975). They are from Toronto, Ontario. Raymond Horace Oakley and Alice Jane Garrett were his parents. I am related to Alice Jane Garrett (1895-1974) - Margaret's grandmother.

Re: Abbott and Fifield from Bonavista

Posted: 10 Feb 2014 6:53AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 10 Feb 2014 6:59AM GMT
Paul, I thought I had posted earlier that I checked out what you said about there being two James Ivanys that married a Joan each and I found that you were right. James Ivany of English Harbour married the Pottle whereas James Ivany of Bonaventure is the one that married the Gillett.

Thanks for correcting me on this because I want to have the right people in my tree. I have to fix it in my tree.

By the way, James' parents George and Margaret Ivany, did you find that Margaret's maiden name was Hall?

Plus, if you are of the same line of Abbotts as I am, then you would go back to a Hugh Abbott born circa 1685. I have since found out that Hugh's wife was Elizabeth Newell born circa 1700 and she is the daughter of James Newell born circa 1670 and James is the son of Thomas Newell born circa 1645 who in turn is the son of Thomas Newell born circa 1620. I got all this information on who Hugh Abbott's wife was from a court document when Elizabeth took relatives to court over lands because she believed her father was the rightful heir to the plantation and thus her sons should get title, or something like that. .... please note that if I don't know the birth year for parents I usually go 25 years earlier until I find something different to make me add 5 year increments..

Re: Abbott and Fifield from Bonavista

Posted: 11 Feb 2014 4:10AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Abbott, Pardy, Goodland, Parsons
Stoney,

It appears I may be from your Abbott line, although I have a discrepancy with Hugh's birth (I have it as 1695 in Dorset, England). Also, I have his wife as Elizabeth, but I have a last name as Slate (could she have used Slate either from a previous marriage as a widow, or ....)

I have just recently made these connections and so I am interested in making sure they are correct.

I have not run across another Hugh Abbott married to an other Elizabeth, so I think we have some connection here. I note that there is a succession of Hugh's in this family (at least 3 generations running)

Looking forward to your response!

Re: Abbott and Fifield from Bonavista

Posted: 11 Feb 2014 1:27PM GMT
Classification: Query
Paul,

I haven't done a big lot on the earliest Abbotts in Newfoundland but I haven't found another Hugh Abbott born circa 1695 married to an Elizabeth either. But as you know, sometimes when you are looking for something you run across something for another branch. I haven't really pieced it all together yet, However, I only have Hugh Abbott's birth as Bonavista because basically I assumed that the John Abbott born circa 1665 that died in Newfoundland was his father, and the wife of this John Abbott was buried in 1709. However, that doesn't mean that he wasn't born in Dorset and brought to Newfoundland as a child by this couple....or I just might be assuming something that is wrong...I really haven't checked it out yet.

I may have a partial answer as to why you might think that Hugh's wife Elizabeth was a Slate. William Newell, Elizabeth Newell's brother, had a wife named Elizabeth and it is this Elizabeth Newell that had an illegitimate son for Thomas Slate named Thomas Slate Jr.. Hugh and Elizabeth (Newell) Abbott had a son named Richard, and I don't understand it yet, but I seen people claim that Thomas Slate Jr. is referred to as this Richard Abbott's nephew because he was raised as Elizabeth Newell's brother....but to me that would make him Richard's uncle if anything...so, there is something that I'm missing or just not seeing yet.

Re: Abbott and Fifield from Bonavista

Posted: 11 Feb 2014 2:34PM GMT
Classification: Query
Paul,

This is Hubert by the way...lol. I just did a quick online search because I knew Elizabeth Abbott took Jonah Newell to court over land disputes and I came across this site which may be of interest to you.

http://ngb.chebucto.org/Articles/abbott-family-history.pdf

This is just a little exerpt from that piece that deals with this whole mess...lol.

"pg 394 13 Oct 1757 Bailey's Cove Bonavista- Elizabeth Abbott, daughter of the late James Newell and grand daughter of Thomas Newell. Elizabeth Abbott vers Jonas Newell of Jonas.
pg 396 03 Oct 1757- Thomas Slate of Bonavista leaves property to his nephew Richard Abbott at Bailey's Cove. Joseph Randall vers Richard Abbott- Abbott won!
pg 454 Randell ordered to remove from Abbott's property.
Vole 3, pg 29, 27 Sep 1759. Randall's counter claim. He claims that since Thomas Slate was illegitimate then the property was not Slate's to bequeath to anybody. This Thomas Slate (Jr.) was illegitimate son of Thomas Slate (Sr.) begat by Elizabeth, wife of William Newell."

Re: Abbott and Fifield from Bonavista

Posted: 12 Feb 2014 2:47AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Abbott, Norman
Stoney,

Just to keep everyone straight, I am not Paul, although I see how you made the connection. My name is Mark Williams, and I have been researching Abbotts on the ROCK for many years without any success. just recently I came back to this board (my earlier posts were pre 2000).

I want to thank everyone here for the quick responses and the great information. y'all (I now live in the South) have given me a new reason to continue my family research.

If I can every be of any assistance to anyone on this board, please just ask!

Mark Williams

Re: Abbott and Fifield from Bonavista

Posted: 12 Feb 2014 7:32AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 12 Feb 2014 8:20AM GMT
mdwilliams,

I'm sorry, I thought it was Paul Goodyear that asked me the question and I thought I had posted it under his name...lol. I know Paul and thus I was letting him know who I was...lol. The reason apparently that I posted it here was because you were the one that asked me the question and not him...lol. However, I am only too happy to assist anyone with any information that I have also. The more people searching for the answers, the better chances that someone will turn up something. Actually, I found out Elizabeth Newell married Hugh Abbott by accidental because up to this point I didn't have any Newell's in my tree.

I was right afterall, it did make Thomas Slate Jr. the uncle of Richard Abbott...lol. So, this Thomas Slate Jr. was raised as a brother to Elizabeth Newell and that is how he becomes Hugh and Elizabeth (Newell) Abbott's son's, Richard's, uncle....now is that as clear as mud? I find it weird and will have to take a closer look at all that for myself when I get a chance...lol

Hubert Stone

Re: Abbott and Fifield from Bonavista

Posted: 17 Feb 2014 7:29PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hubert:

Sorry to be so long replying. I do not have a maiden name for Margaret, wife of George Ivany. What is your source for "Hall"?

Glad I was able to help you get the right Joan in this family line.

I have been led astray previously myself by facts I've noted from others, and I've learned the hard way to record every source so that when I run across a contradictory assertion, I can look at it carefully to determine which is likely to be more correct.

On the Abbott line, I am stuck at Stephen and Sarah, the parents of Stephen (1779-81) who married Martha Ivany.

Do you have information that would take this line back to Hugh?

Paul
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