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Gould's Help!!

Gould's Help!!

Posted: 13 Aug 2010 7:19PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: GOULD
Searching for Gould relations from the following ancestry tree. Looking for relatives/marriages/deaths/grave sites/pictures, etc. for my Grandmother, 91, who never new her Dad's family. He died in 1918 flu before her birth.

[Dates are approximate based on census' - past to present]

Peter Gould (1820-) & Mary (?) Gould (1820-).
Children: Dossetty (1842-) (female)
George (1844-)
Raphail(1847-)
Epolid (or Pollied) (1852-)
Margaret (Maggie 1853-)(female)
John (1855-)
**Taddy P.(1849-) married Fannie(?)(1853-)

Taddy & Fannie had the following children** and lived in Sackville, NB, (he worked at the shoe factory):
Peter (1885-)
Alice (1887-)
William (1890-)
Emma (1892-)
Ralph (1893-)
Minnie (1897-..she married and moved to the USA I am told)
Lena (1900-)
--A husband of one girl worked for Ross Drug in Fredericton maybe??--
**George T. (oldest..1883-1918)(worked Sackville Shoe Factory then moved to Fredericton & worked at Hartt shoes. Met/married Hattie Young orig. from Ripples/Minto, in 1915, and had two children: Bennett (1915-1997) & Emily (1919-), my grandmother.

They had only 1 picture of George. A prof. portrait of George & a brother. Was lost in house fire when 12. Unsure if done in F'ton (Harvey's had fire) or if Sackville had such a port. studio where can get reprints?? Or, if family has a copy, or any photos of George and/or the family. She speaks of him and the picture often as I research.
THANKS!!! Kim

Re: Gould's Help!!

Posted: 14 Aug 2010 12:44PM GMT
Classification: Query
Kim,
The Acadian family name of Doiron is often used as Gould. I found in the NB on line Archives that a Marie Lina Doiron dob Nov 26, 1900, born in Sackville NB. She is the daughter of Thaddé Doiron and Françoise Lirette. It is indicated that her father is a shoemaker. http://archives.gnb.ca/APPS/GovRecs/VISSE/141A5.aspx?culture...
Also, this family can be found at the following site. http://www.genealogie-acadienne.com/?action=indiDetails&...
I hope this helps in your search of your family.

Louis Bourgeois

Re: Gould's Help!!

Posted: 14 Aug 2010 9:46PM GMT
Classification: Query
Thank you Louis!!!!! This is them. It even lists George marrying my ggrandmother and her parents names. With George marrying outside his acadian roots, and then never living to pass the language on, I would not of been able to find this information without help.

All the descendents of George's brother William are listed on here. They live in Dieppe next door to Nanny's youngest daughter Carol (Keith) Reed in Moncton. I am going to put her to work today as I have been fighting "Father Time" this Summer trying to find them as Nanny steadily declines.

I do have a question for you though. Were the Gould/Doiron names really used as interchangably as it seems? According to what they felt like calling themselves? According to the legal records (eg. Archives & this geneology site) it seems they called themselves Doiron until the enumerator came around each decade from 1850-1910, then they called themselves Gould's with English first names, even if they were living in the Acadian part of the community?
With the Scottish clans, once they changed their surname, from then on the descendents used only that new surname...but not this family...George requested his marriage license as George T. Gould and listed his parents as Taddy P. & Fanny Gould when obviously he must have been named Georges Doiron at birth, and according to Lina's birth registration his father called himself Doiron also??

If you have any additional insight on this I would really appreciate it. I have found my English language ancestry a huge drawback to researching Acadian history.

I am heading now to the cottage to tell Nanny (91), after a lifetime of wondering, who her Dad and his family were. What a gift!!

Forever grateful,
Kim Dayton-Lebeau (& Emily (Gould) Greer)
Fredericton

Re: Gould's Help!!

Posted: 15 Aug 2010 5:25PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hello: The relationship between the English and the French in the early 1800's was sometimes very difficult. Most census takers then were mostly English speaking(writing)and
names such as LeBlanc became White, Poirier became Perry, Doiron became Gould etc.,. The story of the name change of Doiron to Gould began when an individual named Doiron(my relative)applied for a job.
He was turned down. Later he applied for the same job under the name of Gould - he was Hired.
How times have changed.

Salut,

Paul

Re: Gould's Help!!

Posted: 15 Aug 2010 6:40PM GMT
Classification: Query
Kim,
I sent you information and an attachement to your e-mail account. It bounced back as being undeliverable. Please contact me at lbourgeo@nbnet.nb.ca

Louis Bourgeois

Re: Gould's Help!!

Posted: 16 Aug 2010 2:41AM GMT
Classification: Query
Thank you Paul. Maybe this will help me explain it to Nanny. At 91, it was hard yesterday for her to grasp that her maiden name was actually her Dad's alternate surname, not the surname his parents registered him & his siblings under at birth with the nb gov't. That they could use a different surname interchangably is so strange in this day and age of DL, ID's and Passports.

It's true times were sure different. I can't comprehend that he wouldn't tell his wife of his real ancestral identity, and the proper reg. spelling of his first name. But, then again, Nanny doesn't even know where he's buried. She said, "I just never thought to ask". Back then families just didn't discuss. Oh the hours I've spent walking, and melting, in the graveyards this Summer thinking..."If you'd just asked!!"

Kim

Re: Gould's Help!!

Posted: 16 Aug 2010 5:11PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Gould, Doiron
Here is some information on the large and complicated Gould/Doiron family I saved:
from "A Century at Chignecto" by Will R Bird in 1928:
In 1735 an experienced government engineer came from France to Beaubassin and instructed the people in better means of dyking the marshes. Under his directions great areas were reclaimed from the sea at Menoudie and Nappan. This engineer, named Gould, settled at Nappan, and with his son, Francois, cleared a home in the virgin forest. This man was the forefather of the Goulds of the Chignecto district and it is said he was one of the few Acadians who took the oath of allegiance and that he wore a feather in his cap to denote his loyalty. With Gould came a German, named Noiles, and this fellow settled some distance up the Nappan River at what is known as "Upper Nappan," today. The cellar and well of his old homestead can still be found. Noiles was the forefather of a numerous race, but he himself was never on good terms with the Indians. They tried to ambush him as he left the Acadian settlement of Wehekage one afternoon. His horse outraced the savages, but Noiles fell from his mount as they crossed a gully and broke his neck."
Pierre Doiron and Anne Forest
Pierre Doiron was the son of Pierre and Madeleine Doucet; his birth date is unknown - he died at Menoudie in 1794 at the age of 84. He was known as Pierre (dit Pitre) (dit Gould) Doiron. He married Anne Forest 22 November 1733 at Beaubassin. She was the daughter of Jean-Baptiste and Élisabeth (Isabelle) Labarre. (Élisabeth and Isabelle were commonly interchanged among the Acadians.) Anne Forest died 1795 at Napanne.
This marriage orginally began at Nappan next to Menoudie. In 1754 Pierre and his father Pierre were at Chimougui (Shemogue) with their families. At the fall of Ft. Beauséjour in 1755, they sought refuge at Port-Lajoie on ile St-Jean (P.E.I.) After the fall of the fortress of Louisbourg in 1758, they moved to Shippagan and vicinity. In 1761, they were among those captured by Captain Roderick MacKenzie who took them to Ft. Beauséjour (now Cumberland) as prisoners. After the signing of the 1763 peace treaty, they were liberated and returned to Nappan. According to Placide Gaudet, Pierre Doiron and his family had settled where old John Roach had been.
The census of Nappan in 1770 tells us that the family of Piero Durang (Pierre Doiron) was made up of seven persons - three sons and two daughters. He had a horse, four bulls, four cows, four calves, two sheep, and two pigs. The following year, the situation had improved with two horses, six bulls, 12 cows, eight calves, 6 sheep and two pigs. There were three sons at home but only one daughter which most likely meant that one had married. Twenty years later, the situation is pitiable. At the census of 1791 he was in his eighties and was a widower. He was unable to take care of his needs and was on "A list of persons who have been relieved frm the capitation tax: Peter Doiron, a poor decreped old man very poor,one shelling." He died in 1794. Pierre and Anne Forest had 10 children.

Pierre Doiron and Madeleine Doucet
Born about Abt. 1680, Pierre Doiron was the son of Jean Doiron and Marie-Anne Canol. The name of his first wife is unknown. He married 2. Madeleine Doucet Abt. 1709. She was the widow of René Bernard and the daughter of Pierre Doucet and Henriette Pelletrat of Port-Royal. Pierre married 3. Véronique Brasseur 25 February 1740. She ws the daughter of Mathieu and Janne Célestin dit Bellemere.
Pierre was the representative of his village to the governor of Annapolis-Royal (once Port-Royal). He privately baptized the newborn infants in the absence of the missionary priest. According Placide Gaudet, Pierre went to Menoudie to settle there with his family. In 1751, the English having intensified their presence with the construction of Fort Lawrence, Pierre moved with his family to Lac next to Ft. Beauséjour where he is in the Spring of 1755. After the fall of Fort Beauséjour the following summer, it seems he crossed to ile Saint-Jean (P.E.I.) to see refuge at Port-Lajoie (now Charlottetown). At about 75 years of age, it is unknown if he died on the island (P.E.I.) or if he was deported in 1758 from l'ile St-Jean.
Source: Excerpts from La Famille Doiron (Gould) by Allen Doiron and Fidèle Thériault - ISBN - 009692151-2-6, 1994
© 1998-2002 Lucie LeBlanc Consentino: Acadian & French Canadian Ancestral Home

Re: Gould's Help!!

Posted: 17 Aug 2010 1:11AM GMT
Classification: Query
Some of this information is somewhat suspect. We would suggest that you contact the U. of Moncton - Stephen A. White for a more accurate history of this family. The census records between 1686-1714 the name is listed as Doiron(Douaron)
The church records (Birth-Baptism-Marriage-Death) lists as Doiron.
The connection to the Gould name began to appear in census
reoords of 1881-1911. My information on the Noils family
lists as of Dutch descent.

Salut,

Paul

Re: Gould's Help!!

Posted: 2 Mar 2015 10:24AM GMT
Classification: Query
hi there, I am a descendant of a George Noiles who had married a Madeline Dorion/Gould. I am trying to find out more information regarding George, Noiles/Noils/Knowles changed to Niles. thank you for any information

Re: Gould's Help!!

Posted: 2 Mar 2015 4:01PM GMT
Classification: Query
Bonjour Bertha:
Thank you for interest.

Please send me your e-mail address and I will send you an invitation to my dafabase.

Salut,

Paul

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