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Re: "Shy" Benjamin Allen

Posted: 21 Nov 2013 11:42AM GMT
Classification: Query
More interesting information to consider:

Robert Allan/Allen, the emigrant to Virginia was a son of a James Allan/Allen and a grandson of a Henry Allan and Christian Knox of Glasgow, Scotland. Interesting as I remember a reference to a brother of our Benjamin Allen named Henry Allen in the History of Botsford. There also appears to be a connection between the Robert Allen/Allan family of Virginia and the James Allen the Quaker family of Chester County, Pennsylvania. In fact, Robert Allan/Allen of Virginia came first to Chester County, Pennsylvania before making his way to Frederick County, Virginia.

Maybe Benjamin Allen was originally Presbyterian or Quaker and switched to Baptist after marrying Sarah Somers?

Have you taken the Autosomal test through Ancestry? If so, did you have many hits to people with Allen surname in their tree that went back to Robert Allen of Virginia or James Allen of Pennsylvania?

Also, I have hits to Sommers/Somers from Germany to Pennsylvania, and also to Nolls and Oberlins from Alsace. All my Somers hits go back to a Johann Georg Sommer and an Anne Marie Dieterich of Bodefeld, Northern Westphalia, Germany.

Re: "Shy" Benjamin Allen

Posted: 31 Jan 2015 2:15PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Allen
Through FamilyTreeDna and a recent yDna test it has become apparent that Benjiman "Shy Ben" Allen was one of my ancestors. Not sure when it how it happened but does anyone know of any of "Shy Bens" offspring that may have migrated to or near Abbeville SC. I do not have an Allen surname so I assume my last name was assumed.

My yDna is part of the Allen Dna study on the FamilyTreeDna site and I have many Dna relatives in my sub group. I just need some direction on how to unravel my Dna history.

Re: "Shy" Benjamin Allen

Posted: 1 Feb 2015 8:08PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: ALLEN
Sorry I can help you on which of Ben Allen descendants may have migrated to Abbeville, SC, but I am most interested in your YDNA results. Can you tell me what your kit number is on the Allen DNA Project?

I recently posted a message to the Allen surname board (http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.allen/17391/mb.ashx) concerning 3 kits in the Allen DNA Project that given Benjamin Allen 1735-1823 as their earliest ancestor. I am trying to confirm that they are referring to "Shy Ben" Allen, but none of the kit owners have replied to my query above or via a message passed on to them by the Allen DNA Project administrators.

Why do you think that you match "Shy Ben" Allen? Have you been able to confirm that one or more of the kits in the Allen DNA Project are for him?

Knowing what "Shy Ben" YDNA profile is will allow more definitive identification of his ancestry.

Look forward to your answers and positive identification on "Shy Ben"s YDNA profile.

Arthur

Re: "Shy" Benjamin Allen

Posted: 7 Feb 2015 3:06AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 7 Feb 2015 3:07AM GMT
The three Y DNA results at Ftdna taken by direct patrilineal descendants of Benjamin Allen appear to suggest an ancestral link to the Allen families of Dartmouth, Ma. Those families descend from George Allen of Sandwich, Ma. Seems to be worth serious consideration. Samuel Allen of Braintree is also thought to have been George's son, so Benjamin could have been his descendant, possibly through a son of Samuel and Mary (Pratt) Allen. At least we have things narrowed down a bit further re Benjamin Allen.

Re: "Shy" Benjamin Allen

Posted: 7 Feb 2015 1:19PM GMT
Classification: Query
See this online post on descendants of George Allen of Sandwich. One descendant, Zephaniah went to Ohio. Does your paternal line ( Y-DNA line) go to Ohio? Maybe that's the connection. Zephaniah was from the Dartmouth, Ma branch of Allens.

http://www.johnbrobb.com/JBR-ALLENtrees-R.htm

Re: "Shy" Benjamin Allen

Posted: 10 Feb 2015 6:54AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: ALLEN
Unfortunately I am still trying to confirm that the three YDNA kits that give Benjamin Allen 1735-1823 as their ancestor are, in fact, referring to "Shy Ben" Allen and not some other Benjamin Allen. All I have are the two names associated with the kits, but they have not replied to my queries forwarded to them by the Allen DNA Project administrators. They are probably descended from "Shy Ben", but I would like some confirmation. Do you have confirmation from these kits owners that they descend from "Shy Ben"?

On the Allen DNA Patrilineage 2 Project ste (http://www.johnbrobb.com/JBR-ALLEN-R.htm), under Samuel1 Allen of Braintree, MA (say 1604-1669) it states that this Samuel Allen is NOT a descendant of George Allen of Sandwich, MA (say 1585-1648). Since the YDNA results of descendants of George and Samuel are very close (GD=0 or 1) it is believed that they are likely closely related, but that relationship is not father-son. It could be uncle-nephew, cousin or even more distant.

Oh why do people take DNA tests for genealogy and yet are not willing to share the result!!!???

Re: "Shy" Benjamin Allen

Posted: 11 Feb 2015 11:12AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 11 Feb 2015 11:15AM GMT
I totally agree. It defeats the whole purpose when people are not willing to share with others who descend from the same ancestor. The late Bernice Richard who had examined the possibilities of Benjamin Allen's origins believed that American and English, not Scottish origins seemed the most likely. Benjamin and Mehitable (Cary) Allen are good candidates for parents, but a couple of other possibilities remain. Benjamin was known to have been at Attleboro, Ma, where the Read family came from. In fact there were Allen, Read and Bucklin connections there. Those Allens had connections to the Allens of Dartmouth and before that to the Sandwich Allens. There was a Benjamin and Deborah (Russell) Allen of Dartmouth. This Deborah (Russell) Allen was a descendant of Henry Howland of the Mayflower. Then there is Joseph and Rebecca (Fuller) Allen of Norwich, Ct. Think Joseph comes from the Samuel Allen of Braintree line. Rebecca Fuller was also a Mayflower descendant.

Re: "Shy" Benjamin Allen

Posted: 12 Feb 2015 11:11AM GMT
Classification: Query
Bernice Richard suspected that Benjamin Allen may have had dual allegiance, and did his best to cover up his past. As the Eddy Rebellion did not succeed, he fled into the Tantramar of New Brunswick. I have also heard that the Benjamin Allen who married Mehitable Cary also served with the British for a time in Nova Scotia, and that his son, Benjamin followed him. Don't know the original source of this story. He was associated with Eliphalet Read of Attleboro, ancestor of many of the Westmorland County Reads, whose mother was a Bucklin. A Bucklin uncle of Eliphalet Read married a Deborah Allen. Her father John Allen was a direct descendant of George Allen of Sandwich. Don't know if John Allen had a grandson named Benjamin, b. ca late1734-early 1735 (based on the 88 yrs. old in April 1823). Some branches of this Allen family went to Killingly, CT (next to Scotland, CT). More possibilities to explore?
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