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Robert Orchard b.1802/1821 Somerset

Robert Orchard b.1802/1821 Somerset

Posted: 12 Mar 2006 8:54AM GMT
Classification: Query
Looking for descendents of Robert Orchard born 1802 who married Lucretia Briggs and had 17 children and Robert Orchard born 1821 who married Charlotte Briggs and Emily Wiggins(11 Children). They married in grand Lake Jemseg.Are u related to Henry (Harry) Orchard (b1868)who married Florence H (b1880) and their children Mary Edith,Susan Louise and Frank Gerard?

Re: Robert Orchard b.1802/1821 Somerset

Donald (View posts)
Posted: 12 Mar 2006 2:29PM GMT
Classification: Query

Hi Janet
lot of information on the Orchard Families
on Roots Web World Connect

Re: Robert Orchard b.1802/1821 Somerset

Cori Leigh Landry (View posts)
Posted: 24 Jul 2006 5:13AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Janet,
Here is what I have on Robert and Lucretia. From the book- "The History of Queens County, by E. Stone Wiggins, 1876"-Orchard, three brothers, Robert, Thomas and John, sons of William Orchard, born near Taunton, Somersetshire, England. Robert was born in England in 1802 and came to St. John in 1829. Here he worked a year with Richard Duff of Reed's Point. He then moved to the Grand Lake and settled on the farm now owned and occupied by his son, John Orchard. He visited the home of his childhood in 1849, taking with him a large quantity of bird's-eye maple, which he commanded a ready and remunerative sale in that country(England). Mr. Orchard was one of the most prosperous farmers in Queen's. He died in the year 1868. His wife's maiden name was Lucretia Briggs. Their children were: Hiram, who married Mary Ann Morrow; William, married in Fitzroy, Queen's Land, Australia, where he has since lived; Thomas, who married Clara Scribner; George, Sarah Smith; John, Mary Bennison; Samuel, Alice Springer; Annie, Bernard Kelley; Jane, Charles Denton; Mary, never married; Oswald, never married.

Hiram is an engineer at Indiantown. Thomas, John and Samuel are comfortable farmers in Cambridge. Thomas, senior,(Robert's brother) was born in 1806. He came to New Brunswick in 1833 and settled at Mill Cove on the farm formerly owned by Robert Moss. His wife's name was Phoebe Tyrrell. His children are: George, who married Miss Fowler; Theresa, who married William Clark; Jane who married ??Barton; Mary, unmarried.
John also settled at Mill Cove. His wife's name was Pheobe Briggs. He had seven children.

Hope this helped.

Cori Leigh

Re: Robert Orchard b.1802/1821 Somerset

Posted: 28 Nov 2013 1:41AM GMT
Classification: Query
Robert Orchard is my GGGF via his son John C Orchard who married Mary Caroline Bennison, my GGM Iva Myrtle Orchard who married Orland S Dykeman, my GM Evelyn Dykeman Anthony, my Father, James H Anthony and me, Sharon M. (Anthony) Connors.

I've been working on the Dykeman side of my family. Just started w/the Orchards so I need any/all info I can get on Dykeman, Orchard, Bennison, Camp, Briggs .

Re: Robert Orchard b.1802/1821 Somerset

Posted: 1 Nov 2014 4:40AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi,

As this thread is quite old, I am hoping that there is still someone, that can help me. Robert Orchard and Lucretia Briggs Orchard are my 3 GGP's via William their son. He married Alice Curtis Tarrant in Fitzroy (now Rockhampton) Queensland, Australia. I am having difficulty locating a primary source for William's birth and also for Lucretia. If anyone could point me in the correct direction, I would be most appreciative.

Thanks
Kathryn

Re: Robert Orchard b.1802/1821 Somerset

Posted: 1 Nov 2014 3:51PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Orchard, Briggs
Given all my intermarriages in Queens County, I also wonder if any of you with Orchard connections can explain the marriages of Lucretia Briggs? I see, for Robert Orchard, a marriage listed for 20-Jul-1833 in New Brunswick. However, I've also found an entry that might be significant, in the Queens County Marriages book by R. Wallace Hale. The only marriage listed in that book for Lucretia Briggs, is to a Robert RICHARD, on 24-Jul-1832, probably at Waterborough. Witnesses were John Thomas and Hiram Briggs.

My question is, does anyone think this Robert RICHARD may have been Robert ORCHARD?

Lucretia was, in fact, daughter of Hiram Briggs, and she was born around 1816 (or a bit earlier), in Chipman. Given that Hiram Orchard is said to have been born in 1833, this also fits much better with the information known on Lucretia.

Re: Robert Orchard b.1802/1821 Somerset

Posted: 1 Nov 2014 11:06PM GMT
Classification: Query
In Cambridge Parish, Queens Co., NB, in 1861, Robert Orchard (39) had a wife, Charlotte (35). Another Robert Orchard (59), in the same parish, had a wife, Lucretia (47). Children were John (19), Samuel (17), Ann (13), Jane (11), May/Mary (9) and Alfred (4). This may suggest a marriage ca. 1842 rather than 1832. On the other hand, Lucretia (b. ca. 1814) would likely have been married ca. 1832, so I assume some older children are elsewhere. For example Lucretia Orchard (possibly a daughter?) m. 1870 James William Cody, and Hiram Orchard cosigned the marriage bond. Hiram lived in Saint John Co. at the time. Also, a marriage bond had been issued for Robert Orchard and ‘Loretta’ Briggs, cosigner Samuel White, in Queens Co. in 1832.

John Orchard (b. Cambridge Parish ca. 1842), in his 2nd marriage, gave his parents as Robert Orchard and Lucretia Briggs. Robert ‘Richard’ does seem to have been an erroneous reading or transcription of Robert Orchard.

A similar error is in John Orchard’s death record (b. White’s Cove, Queens Co., NB 13APR1842, d. Fairvale, Kings Co., NB 30AUG1935) which states his parents were ‘Thomas’ and Lucretia (Briggs) Orchard. In light of the above, I would think that ‘Robert’ would be more likely.

It would appear that the two Robert’s married sisters, as in Dan Johnson’s:

Date May 13 1846
County Saint John
Place Saint John
Newspaper Morning News

“m. Grand Lake (Queens Co.) 5th inst., by Rev. A. Wood, Robert ORCHARD / Charlotte BRIGGS fourth d/o Hiram BRIGGS all of Grand Lake.”

At:
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/b/e/n/Victor-L-Be...
John Orchard’s first wife is given as Mary Caroline Bennison. At:
http://archive.org/stream/genealogicalhisto00whit/genealogic...
Lucretia is given as the d/o Hiram and Susan (White) Briggs. The Briggs’ first lived at White’s Cove, but moved to Salmon River, in Chipman Parish.

“Lucretia Briggs, eldest daughter of Susan White and Hiram Briggs, was born 1816; married Robert Orchard, July 20, 1833; died March 25, 1903.”

Children.
140. I. — Hiram, born May 4, 1833; issue, six.
141. II. — William, born May 27, 1836; died February 4, 1904; issue, six.
142. III. — Thomas, born May 9, 1838 ; issue, three.
IV. — George, born May 16, 1840; married (1) Sarah Smith; married (2) Sarah Boil in 1887; no issue.
143. V. — John, born April 14, 1842; issue, fifteen.
144. VI. — Samuel, born March 4, 1844; issue, five.
145. VII. — Rebecca A., born May 20, 1848; issue, seven.
146. VIII. — Emma Jane, born August 15, 1850; issue, seven.
147. IX. — Mary A., born March 12, 1852; issue, eight.
X. — Louise, died in infancy.
XL — Robert, died in infancy.
XII. — James, died in infancy.
XIII. — Oswald, died in infancy.

“Charlotte Briggs, fourth daughter of Susan White and Hiram Briggs, was born October 11, 1826; married Robert Orchard in 1846; died October 5, 1862.”

Children.
I. — Elizabeth, born October 8, 1848.
II. — Clarissa, born November 18, 1850.
III. — James, born January 15, 1853.
IV. — Susanna A., born May 9, 1855.
V.— Frederick W., born May 7, 1858.
VI. — Harry S., medical doctor.
148. VII. — Samuel B., born January 19, 1861; issue, five.

It seems very likely, then, that Robert ‘Richard’ could only be Robert Orchard, and this is generally accepted.

Thomas.

Re: Robert Orchard b.1802/1821 Somerset

Posted: 3 Nov 2014 10:44AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Briggs, Orchard
Thomas,

I agree with the Robert Richard being Robert Orchard, for one, which would put Lucretia Briggs b. 1816 as marrying Robert ORCHARD in 1832, not 1833. Since I've NO idea of the source for the 1833 marriage, but a later-written history, and the 1832 marriage is well-documented, I'd suggest it the most likely date. It also makes more sense, given the times, that the couple married prior to the birth of their first son....


“Lucretia Briggs, eldest daughter of Susan White and Hiram Briggs, was born 1816; married Robert Orchard, July 20, 1833; died March 25, 1903.”

Children.
140. I. — Hiram, born May 4, 1833; issue, six.

24-Jul-1832 makes much more sense. I suspect the 20-Jul-1833 date MIGHT be 20-Jul-1832, and perhaps a marriage bond or intention date. However, not knowing the original source, it's difficult to make that call.

Jared

Re: Robert Orchard b.1802/1821 Somerset

Posted: 4 Nov 2014 9:00AM GMT
Classification: Query
Thank you for the info Jared & Thomas

I really appreciate your help.

Records here in Australia do indicate that Robert Orchard and Lucretia Briggs are the parents of my William Briggs Orchard (although his death certificate lists his mother as Lienacretia Briggs, which I believe has been an error in transcription and should read Lucretia, and I have applied for an image of the original historical document).

William arrived in Melbourne Australia aboard the Ceylon Barque from New Brunswick via Liverpool in 1856. He married Alice Curtis Tarrant in Fitzroy (now Rockhampton) 12 Sept 1859. I have descended through his eldest son William Robert Hiram Richard Fitzroy Briggs Orchard (yes, that is his real name, as recorded on his birth certificate) as you can see, all family names. (Richard was his wife's father's name)

Family information here in Australia is that Robert and Lucretia Briggs were indeed William Briggs Orchard's parents, and Lucretia's parents were Hiram Briggs and Susan White, but so far I am unable to locate a birth record for William Briggs Orchard.

Thanks
Kathryn

Re: Robert Orchard b.1802/1821 Somerset

Posted: 5 Nov 2014 5:20AM GMT
Classification: Query
Perhaps the closest you will come to a birth record is something like William's death record are his obituary at:
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=37&dat=19040429&am...
in column 5.
This states that he was born near Grand Lake, NB, Canada in 1836, which more likely should be 1835-6. I briefly saw something that said he was b. in St Johns, but I would discount that as to non-New Brunswickers, everyone in New Brunswick is born in Saint John (St. John's is in Newfoundland). Sometimes they actually are. ("William was born on May 26 1834, in St. Johns, New Brunswick, Canada".)

Birth certificates were not required at the time, and there was no authority with which to register a birth. Far more likely, he was baptized and if you could locate the correct baptismal register that would be pretty much the same as a birth record. Other than that is the possibility of a family Bible.

Since the 1851 census for most of Queens Co., NB was lost and since he left before the 1861 census, finding him in any civil records would seem impossible. Whoever wrote the obituary seems fairly knowledgeable about the geography of his origins and about his family.

Two clues are in the obituary. His father died ca. 1867 and his mother was b. ca. 1814, and d. 1903 age 89-years. This does roughly fit Lucretia as well, and gives a bit of confirmation as to his parentage.

Robert and Lucretia, in 1861, in Cambridge Parish, were Episcopalian, which should mean Church of England. According to the Provincial Archives of New Brunswick County Guide for Queens Co., the Anglican Church Records for Cambridge Parish (1823-1916) are on microfilm F-1091. The possibility of a baptismal record seems very real.

Thomas.
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