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KINGSTONS and McDONALDS of Bay du Vin and Black River Bridge

KINGSTONS and McDONALDS of Bay du Vin and Black River Bridge

brenda (View posts)
Posted: 12 Oct 2005 12:00PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 2 Feb 2015 10:32PM GMT
Surnames: KINGSTON
I am looking for the family of Hugh McDONALD (b. 9 Apr 1839) of Black River Bridge. Hugh married a Marion and they had 5 children: William, John A, Hugh A, Robert and Margaret. Hugh A married Myra TAYLOR.

I am also looking for descendents of John KINGSTON who settled in Bay du Vin. He came from Ireland with his wife Jane. I believe that they may have had 8 children: Jane, Thomas, John, Samuel J, Richard, James, Sarah, and Catherine. Samuel J married Mary McDONALD.

Please email me at search4kingstons@yahoo.ca

Brenda

Re: KINGSTONS and McDONALDS of Bay du Vin and Black River Bridge

Posted: 16 Nov 2005 3:56AM GMT
Classification: Query
I have both Kingstons and MacDonalds in my family tree from that area. Claudia (Joyce) Williston married Samuel Kingston July 4, 1947. They had Eileen (Burns), Barbara, Matthew, Jeemy, Earl Stuart, Leisa, Thomas Reginald. A good source of information for that area is in the New Brunswick Archive. Use any search engine for New Brunswick Archive. Go to public records. There is a birth, death and marriage section.

Re: KINGSTONS and McDONALDS of Bay du Vin and Black River Bridge

Posted: 21 Feb 2012 5:31AM GMT
Classification: Query
Your information seems to derive from the on-line version of the 1881 census of Glenelg Parish, Northumberland Co., New Brunswick in which Hugh McDonald (b. ca. 1836) has a wife, Marrion (ca. 1845) and children: William (10), John (9), Hugh (8), Robert (5) and Margret (1.)
Examining an image of the original at the Archives Canada we site shows 'Marrion' to be difficult to read, but more like something such as 'Meri(on'?
In Glenelg Parish, in 1871, Hugh Mcdonald is b. ca. 1839, and his wife is Mariah (ca. 1845.) Their son is J. William age 6 months. With them was Roderick Mcdonald (ca. 1796) possibly Hugh's father.
In Glenelg Parish in 1851 Hugh McDonald (b. ca. 1837) was the son of William (ca. 1802) and Margaret (ca. 1812) McDonald. Roderick (ca. 1795) and his wife, Sarah (ca. 1804) McDonald live very nearby and was likely Hugh's uncle. Both Roderick and William were born in NB, so are not likely one of the more recently arrived McDonald's. The family is transcribed as:

McDonald William M Head 49 Scotch Farmer (prop) Birth
McDonald Margaret F Wife 39 Scotch Birth
McDonald Alexander M Son 23 Scotch Birth
McDonald John M Son 21 Scotch Birth
McDonald William M Son 19 Scotch Birth
McDonald Robert M Son 17 Scotch Birth
McDonald Hugh M Son 14 Scotch Birth
McDonald Jane F Daughter 11 Scotch Birth
McDonald Anne F Daughter 8 Scotch Birth
McDonald Susanna F Daughter 6 Scotch Birth
McDonald Ronald M Son 3 Scotch Birth
McDonald Mary F Daughter 3 m Scotch

The confusion about Marion-Maria is resolved by an entry in the 15SEP1866 edition of the Chatham, "The Gleaner and Northumberland Schediasma", abstracted as:

"m. Chatham (North. Co.) 10th inst., by Rev. Frederick Home, Hugh McDONALD / Miss Marion Maria McDONALD both of Glenelg"

There was, in 1851, in Glenelg Parish, a daughter of John (ca. 1814) and Margaret (Russell) (ca. 1823) McDonald given in transcription as 'Karin' (b. ca. 1846.) Looking at an image of the original, I suspect that the name was 'Marin'. With them was my severl-times great aunt, Jane McKinnon. This suggests to me the families of Angus McDonald and Alexander McDonald, slightly nebulous persons, but bot apparently Loyalists and bot apparently associated with the Queen's Rangers. It is not something I have gone into too deeply, only being peripherally interested in establishing Jane McKinnon's connection. It seems that she and Margaret (Russell) McDonald were 1st cousins through their Forsyth mothers. In any case, I suspect that Marion Maria McDonald was the 'Karin' in 1851 and checking the 1861 census for Glenelg Parish might be of help. Other wise, I cannot find a female McDonald borne between 1844-6 who might have been Marion. Also, John McDonald and Margaret Russell were married at Point Aux Car 6JAN1840, and that is where Marion is said to have been born.

A birth record exists for Hugh A. McDonald, s/o Hugh and Marion M. (McDonald) McDonald giving him as born Black River, Northumberland Co., NB 26OCT1870. This contradicts both the 1871 and 1881 censuses and, I believe, is incorrect. It gives both his parents as b. Black River Bridge which is why I suspect the families of Alexander and Angus McDonald in particular. It also states that his mother had only 5 children. This also is incorrect as another birth record states that Hugh and Marion had a daughter, Linda Mabel McDonald b. Black River, Northumberland Co., NB 12OCT1885. In addition to the 5 children in 1881, she makes at least 6. Her birth record gives her father as b. Black River (slightly distinct from Black River Bridge, but not so as you would really notice) and her mother as born at Point aux Car. Hugh, Alice and Alex McDonald, and close by, Roderick and Alex McDonald, had grants (according to cadastral maps) downstream on Black River, but below the place, Black River. A bit further downstream, and towards to Miramichi is the place, Black River Bridge. Alice McDonald received her grant in 1882, Hugh in 1879 and Alex in 1879 also. This appears to be a subdivision of a larger, likely inherited, lot. The Roderick and Alexander lots, side by side, each 200 acres, appear to have been granted at the same time. Roderick and Alexander, Jr. were each granted one-half of 400 acres in Glenelg Parish 11DEC1812. This suggests that they were sons of Alexander MacDonald, the Loyalist, although 'Jr.' does not always mean a father-son relationship especially in a place were there were 180 McDonald's in 1851, half of them likely named Alexander. Even so, combined with the location, the idea is suggestive. On the other hand, the New Brunswick Genealogical Society web site, "First Families", especially at:

http://www.nbgs.ca/firstfamilies/FAMILY-McA-McY-2006.pdf

has:

MCDONALD: Alexander McDonald b. 1775 at Assynt, Scotland, died 1843: came from Assynt to Cape Breton in 1803: married Grace MacAskill b. 1781, d. 1874: came to NB: settled at Black River, Glenelg Parish, Northumberland County:
Children:
1) Kenneth McDonald b. 1804, d. unmarried 1837:
2) Hugh McDonald b. 1808, d. unmarried 1873:
3) Isabella McDonald born 1810, d. 1893, married 1848 Roderick McKenzie of Tabusintac, Alnwick Parish, b. 1808, d. 1893: had five children:
4) Anne McDonald born 1813, d. 1896, m. 1834 William McKnight b. 1804, died 1865: they had ten children:
5) Margaret McDonald b. 1815, d. 1900, married William Godfrey b. 1825, died
1904: they had no issue:
6) Mary McDonald born 1821, died 1885, m. Fred or Roderick Robinson:
7) Jessie McDonald b. 1823, d. unmarried 1912:
8) Annabel McDonald:
9) John McDonald m. 1842 Elspeth R. Jardine b. c1820, d. 1906.
Sources: MC1/McLean #3, 1 page: see also MC80/2689 Miramichi Branch of the NBGS, Some first families of the Miramichi, 1 page.

which suggests more than one McDonald family in a fairly small area.

Hugh and Marion are also in Glenelg Parish in 1891 with children: William James, John Alexander, Hugh Allen, Robert Clifford, Margaret Elizabeth and Linda Mable. They were all b. NB, and their parents were also b. NB, suggesting Loyalist McDonald's rather than arrivals after 1783.

They were in Glenelg Parish in 1901. Birth-dates in 1901 are often unreliable, for various reasons, and I use them only if there is not anything better. Hugh Allan's birth-date of 14JAN1874 bears no resemblance to any other birth-date given except to support that he was likely born after 1870, probably in 1873.

By 1911, Hugh, Sr. has died. Hugh A. (JAN1873, a more likely date) and Myra (OCT1879) have, next door, a family, Frederick McDonald (AUG1876) and his wife, Margaret (FEB1880) and children; and with them an aunt, Marion McDonald (OCT1847.) Frederick James McDonald m. Margaret Elizabeth McDonald, so Marion could be aunt to either. Margaret appears to be Marion's daughter, so Marion is more likely Frederick J. McDonald's aunt. This is supported by their marriage registration which makes Margaret the d/o Hugh and Marion. The maiden name of Frederick's mother is hard to read, but it looks like 'Beraphill?'.

In Glenelg Parish in 1901 Frederick's parents are William (14JUN1854) and Isabella (21JUN1856.) Children are: Alexander, Donald, William G., Archibald, Campbell and Elizabeth. When Archibald got married, his mother's maiden name was Campbell. William McDonald m. Black River 16OCT1874 Isabella Campbell. If William was b. 1854, then he can only be William Macdonald b. ca. 1855, s/o John (b. ca. 1830) and 'Susana' (Susanna McLean, m. 11OCT1853) (b. ca. 1834) McDonald. They lived two households away from Hugh and Maria McDonald in the 1871 census. I think John McDonald b. ca. 1830 was John b. ca. 1830 in 1851, s/o William and Margaret and Hugh's older brother. Thus Marion was not so much Frederick James MacDonald's aunt in 1911, as his great aunt by marriage.

HUGH McDONALD (s/o William and Margaret McDonald) b. Black River Bridge, Glenelg Parish, Northumberland Co., NB 9APR1839 (ca. 1836-9), m. Chatham, Chatham Parish, Northumberland Co., NB by the Rev. Frederick Home 10SEP1866 MARION MARIA McDONALD (b. Glenelg Parish, Northumberland Co., NB 12OCT1846 (ca. 1845, OCT1847 in 1911.)
Children:
1. WILLIAM JAMES (J. WILLIAM) McDONALD b. ca. 1870-1
2. JOHN ALEXANDER McDONALD b. 20OCT1872 (ca. 1872), m. AGNES _____ (b. 17JUL1876)
3. HUGH ALLAN McDONALD b. Black River, Glenelg Parish, Northumberland Co., NB ca. 1873 (26OCT1870 in birth registration; ca. 1873 in 1881 and 1891, 14JAN1874 in 1901), m. Black River Bridge, Glenelg Parish, Northumberland Co., NB 6SEP1899 MYRA TAYLOR (b. Lower Napan, Glenelg Parish, Northumberland Co., NB 1DEC1878 (ca. 1877)), d/o John R. and Elizabeth (McDonald) Taylor
4. ROBERT CLIFFORD McDONALD b. Glenelg Parish, Northumberland Co., NB 15AUG1875 (ca. 1855-6)
5. MARGARET (MAGGIE) ELIZABETH McDONALD b. ca. 1880, m. Northumberland Co., NB 3MAR1897 FREDERICK JAMES McDONALD (b. Black River, Glenelg Parish, Northumberland Co., NB AUG1876), s/o William and Isabella (Campbell) McDonald
6. LINDA MABEL McDONALD b. Black River, Glenelg Parish, Northumberland Co., NB 12OCT1885 (ca. 1886)

Thomas

Re: KINGSTONS and McDONALDS of Bay du Vin and Black River Bridge

Posted: 20 Apr 2013 1:08PM GMT
Classification: Query
FYI
I can't be sure Annabell is d/o Alexander McDonald and Grace McAskill but just in case:
Annabell born either Black River or Bay du Vin on Aug. 26, 1838 married Angus McLean s/o Donald and Elizabeth on Jan. 20, 1864 (Drouin collection). They received a dispensation from the bishop of Chatham (3rd degree consanguinity which I believe means they shared great grandparents.)
I am actually researching McLeans. My gg grandmother, Mary Grace Windle was d/o Thomas Windle and Mary McLean of Kent Co. They lived in Escuminac before moving to Richibucto. Mary McLean was d/o Donald McLean and Margaret McRae.
I am interested in Angus McLean because he was RC and a sponsor at the baptism of one of my family and also that is is s/o Donald. Donald is on the same page of the 1851 census as Michael Carroll who married Elizabeth Windle d/o Thomas and Mary McLean Windle.

Angus McLean and Annabella McDonald

Posted: 20 Apr 2013 8:50PM GMT
Classification: Query
In 1851, the only Annabela McDonald in Glenelg Parish b. near to 1838 was Annabela McDonald (15), d/o James (59) and Catharine (47) McDonald.

By 1871, 'Angis McLain' (37) and Annabella (30) have moved to Chatham Paris where they lived next to his parents, 'Donneld McLain' (67) and 'Elisabeth' (64). Donald and Elizabeth's other children in 1871 are John (27), Hugh (25), Grace (21) and Mary (11). Angus and Hugh are both given as 'pillot' (i.e., pilots for ship on the Miramichi). Angus and Annabella had 'Barbari' (6), Catharine (4), 'Elisabeth' (3) and Mary (SEPT1870).

In 1871 Angus (37), John (27), Hugh (25) and Grace (21) were with their parents in Glenelg Parish as Angus (19), John (13), Hugh (10) and Grace (2).

In 1851, next door to Donald (47) and Elizabeth (43) 'McLane' were Hugh (44) and Grace (37) McLane and family. I assume that Donald and Hugh were brothers. When Hugh's daughter, Barbara, married in 1867 her father was given as living in Escuminac. This suggests a 155 acre grant at McLean's Cove to Donald McLean. Others in the grant seem to have been Donald McKay, Paul Mazeroll, Lemuel Martin, Peter Mazerol, Jos. Doucett, Peter Herbert, etc.; all fronting Baie-Ste.-Anne. At the further end of this grant, in Lot 20, near Eel River, was Alex. McDonald 118? acres). This would refer to a grant that included Donald McLean (155 acres) made in what was then Glenelg Parish 24APR1818, and included:

DOUCET, Joseph Jr. 74 acres
DOUCET, Joseph Sr. 95 acres
MCDONALD, Alexander 118 acres
MAZEROLL, Paul Jr. 130 acres
MAZEROLL, Peter 230 acres
MARTIN, Lemuel 223 acres
MCDONALD, Alexander 118 acres

and others.In addition to the 155 acres in Lot 3, Donald McLean received Lot 1 of 110 acres.

I would guess that Donald McLean (ca. 1804), Hugh McLean (ca. 1807) and Hugh's brother, James (ca. 1817, living with Hugh in 1851) were sons of Donald McLean of the 1818 grant. Hugh, James and Donald, and possibly a fourth brother, Alexander McLean (ca. 1811-3) are listed in the 1861 census of what is now Hardwicke Parish at:
http://www.robocker.com/NorthumberlandNB/hardwicke1861census...

Even more of a guess would be that James McDonald (ca. 1792), Annabella's father, may have been a s/o Alexander McDonald of the same grant. At this point the available resources seem to make conjecture futile. For example, an Alexander McDonald b. Ross-shire, Scotland ca. 1775, arrived in NB in 1803, d. Little Brook, Black River, Northumberland Co., NB 31OCT1843. Alexander McDonald b. Arisaig, Inverness-shire, Scotland ca. 1762, arrived in 1790, d. Lower Bay du Vin 29NOV1848. By 1851 there were 13 Alexander's in Glenelg Parish. Trying to sort out McDonald's would be a herculean task requiring in-depth searches far beyond the present limitations of the internet. I think, however, that I can state that Annabella (McDonald) McLean b. Glenelg Parish, Northumberland Co., NB 26AUG1838, d. Chatham Parish, Northumberland Co., NB 28DEC1915, m. 20JAN1864 Angus McLean (b. 7JUL1833), was very likely the daughter of James and Catherine McDonald.

Apparently James b. ca. 1792 was James McDonald b. 11MAR1792, s/o Alexander and Grace (McLean) McDonald and he m. Catherine Taylor. If, as you say, Angus McLean and Annabella McDonald were 3rd cousins, then James McDonald and Donald McLean may have been 2nd cousins. If Donald McLean (ca. 1804) was the s/o Donald McLean of the 1818 grant, then Donald, Sr. and Grace McLean were possibly 1st cousins.

There is much that is confusing. For example Alexander McDonald, husband of Grace McLean, at:
http://nbgs.automatedgenealogy.com/firstfamilies/FAMILY-McA-...
is given as d. 11DEC1834 and to have lived at Bartibog. According to an entry in, "The Gleaner and Northumberland Schediasma", 30DEC1834, that Alexander was:

"d. Bartibog,Thursday 11th inst., Lt. Col. Alexander McDONALD age 72, native of Argylshire, Scotland. Came to Miramichi in 1784. Left family."

Yet it seems unnecessary to go to Bartibog to find a father, Alexander, for James. James McDonald was one of the administrators of the estate of Robert Taylor of Glenelg Parish in 1823. Margaret Taylor and Wm. Taylor were others. Were Robert and Margaret Taylor his wife's parents? The Alexander McDonald who d. Little Brook, Black River, Northumberland Co., NB 31OCT1843 also appears to have had a wife, Grace. It seems there is a great deal of potential for confusion.

At:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rbarry4145...
it is stated that Robert Taylor's wife was Margaret 'McLain', d/o Daniel M. McLain. This would suggest, as above, that Catherine McLean (ca. 1780?) and Donald McLean (ca. 1804) were second cousins. Therefore that Daniel M. McLean and Grace (McLean) McDonald were 1st cousins. Does this mean that Donald McLean in the 1818 grant was the same person as Daniel M. McLean? I see no Daniel McLean petitioning for land in Northumberland Co. early on. For Donald, however; there is:

1802
MCLEAN, DONALD
TAYLOR, JOHN
TAYLOR, ROBERT

1806
MCLEAN, CATHERINE
MCLEAN, DONALD
MCLEAN, JANE
MCLEAN, JOHN

This one seems to have resulted in the 1818 grant.

1814
MCLEAN, DONALD
MCDONALD, ALEXANDER
MCKINNON, GREGORY
TAYLOR, ALEXANDER
TAYLOR, PATRICK
TAYLOR, ROBERT
TAYLOR, WILLIAM

and a number of others. The index to grants shows similar results. There is no Daniel McLean.

1NOV1813 Newcastle Parish:
McLEAN, Donald 49 acres (shared with another, probably Alexander McDonald)
HEBERE, John 49 acres
MCDONALD, Alexander 98 acres
MUZEROLL, Joseph 49 acres
MUZEROLL, Maturin 49 acres
MUZEROLL, Paul 49 acres
TAYLOR, Robert 49 acres
TIBODO, Joseph 49 acres

In the 1818 grant also appear:
MAZEROLL, David 140 acres
MAZEROLL, Paul Jr. 130 acres
MAZEROLL, Peter 230 acres
MCDONALD, Alexander 118 acres

It is important to know that Glenelg Parish was created in 1814, probably from Newcastle Parish, therefore the 1813 Newcastle Parish grant was likely in what is now Hardwicke or in Glenelg Parish. Again one does not have to go to Bartibog to find an Alexander McDonald nor is it Daniel M. McLean who is associated with Robert Taylor.

So, if James McDonald, father of Annabella McDonald, was the son of an Alexander and Grace McDonald, I would choose that Alexander and Grace who lived in the same neighbourhood, who were associated with James McDonald's apparent father-in-law, Robert Taylor, and with Angus McLean's apparent grandfather, Donald McLean. Since Robert Taylor m. Margaret McLean, apparently Angus' aunt (if Margaret was Donald McLean's (ca. 1804) sister), and Annabella McDonald's grandmother, this might explain the consanguinity between Angus and Annabella. Perhaps more practical is that Margaret (McLean) Taylor and Donald McLean (1818 grant) were siblings. This suggests two lines-of-descent;

Daniel M. McLean
Margaret McLean (ca. 1780) m. Robert Taylor
Catherine Taylor (ca. 1804) m. James McDonald (ca. 1792)
Annabella McDonald (ca. 1836-8)

Daniel M. McLean
Donald McLean
Donald McLean (ca. 1794) m. Elizabeth _____ (ca. 1797)
Angus McLean (ca. 1832-4)

with Angus and Annabella being 3rd cousins. Still, Daniel M. McLean may be more myth.

The conclusions reached elsewhere so far seem so suspicious to me and I am so confused at this point that I think I will leave further speculation to those more deeply immersed in these puzzles.

Thomas.

Re: Angus McLean and Annabella McDonald

Posted: 22 Apr 2013 2:19PM GMT
Classification: Query
Thanks, Thomas. You are always a wealth of information. So confusing these people are!
For the record, I have found that Donald and Daniel seem to be interchangeable in some records. I don't know why.

Re: Angus McLean and Annabella McDonald

Posted: 22 Apr 2013 5:59PM GMT
Classification: Query
It's a Scottish thing. There are several names like that. Helen and Ellen are another example. There is also a lot of fuss about whether surnames should be Mc or Mac, but there is actually no difference; or at least there wasn't at one time. I think that technically, its should be M', as in M'Donald; but that's an old form. But, yes, Donald and Daniel were often interchangeable.

Thomas.

Re: KINGSTONS and McDONALDS of Bay du Vin and Black River Bridge

Posted: 13 Sep 2013 6:30AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hello,
John KINGSTON, born 1793 in Ireland, came to New Brunswick in 1821 was my 3rd g grand uncle. I have only found four children, Samuel G,. Thomas, Jane and John.
I have Samuel G, (not J) as having married Mary MCDONALD.

How are we related Brenda.
I live on Vancouver Island.
Regards, Sharon

Re: KINGSTONS and McDONALDS of Bay du Vin and Black River Bridge

Posted: 5 Jan 2015 1:51AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Sharon

John KINGSTON born 1793 in Ireland is my great great great grandfather, his brother Thomas is also my great great great grandfather.

Samuel John (I have J, not G) is my great great grandfather, and Mary MCDONALD, my great great grandmother. Their son, Simon Alexander KINGSTON married Margaret Jane KINGSTON, Thomas KINGSTON's granddaughter. Simon and Margaret are my great grandparents. Simon was bedridden in the later part of his life and I barely remember him. Margaret was blind. Simon and Margaret lived with my grandparents in Bay du Vin.

Re: KINGSTONS and McDONALDS of Bay du Vin and Black River Bridge

Posted: 7 Jan 2015 1:02AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Brenda....My name is Kim, and I get notifications from this web site from time to time, and yours happen to be one of them. I live on the Miramichi, and happen to be viewing the obituaries and happened to come across this obit of Simon Alexander Kingston, passed away on 12/26/2014, at the age of 94, Born in Bay du Vin, on October 2, 1920, he was the son of the late Alexander and Margaret (Kingston) Kingston. I am not sure if this was a coincidence or maybe good timing, I am not sure but I hope this is of some help to you. This is the direct link:
http://www.adamsfh.ca/obits/obituary.php?id=519154
Sincerely
Kim
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