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thomas Hollihan

Posted: 4 Sep 2014 10:56PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 6 Feb 2015 5:53AM GMT
Surnames: Hollihan, Sullivan
I am looking for information on Thomas Hollihan who i believe lived in Blackville Northumberland Canada in about 1860's. Thomas had a daughter Honora who married William J Sullivan in Blackville in September of 1877. If anyone know anything about either of these family please let me know.

Thanks

Re: thomas Hollihan

Posted: 5 Sep 2014 6:39PM GMT
Classification: Query
My experience suggest that 'Hollihan' is most likely a spelling error for Halloran or O'Halloran. There were several variations of the name in Blackville Parish. For example, in 1861, in Blackville Parish, Northumberland Co., NB, there was a widow, Hannah 'Holohan' b. Ireland ca. 1825. Her children, born in New Brunswick, were John (18) 'Jaramiah' (16), Timothy (14), Thomas (12) and 'Hanorah' (10). In Blackville Parish, in 1851, there were three families listed in sequence:

Hallahan Jeremiah M Husband 60 Irish 1831
Hallahan Johanna F Wife 57 Irish 1831
Hallahan Jeremiah M Son 21 Irish 1831
Hallahan Johanna F Daughter 20 Irish 1831

Hallahan Thomas M Husband 53 Irish 1838
Hallahan Hanorah F Wife 32 Irish 1841
Hallahan John M Son 9 Irish Birth
Hallahan Jeremiah M Son 7 Irish Birth
Hallahan Timothy M Son 5 Irish Birth
Hallahan Thomas M Son 3 Irish Birth
Hallahan Hanora F Daughter 4 mo Irish Birth

Hallahan John M Husband 30 Irish 1837
Hallahan Catherine F Wife 26 Irish 1845
Hallahan Mary F Daughter 3 Irish Birth
Hallahan John M Son 2 Irish Birth

My interpretation of this is that Jeremiah and Thomas were brothers. Jeremiah arrived first in 1830-1, with a wife and a son, John. Several years later (ca. 1838) Thomas joined him and married Honora in NB. There are other possibilities (including the possibility that these people are not even related) but that seems the simplest.
Regardless of the original spelling of the name, Hallihan seems to be a version that is more prominent. For example, Thomas Hollihan (probably the same b. ca. 1848) had a son, Eugene Jeremiah Hollihan, b. Pineville, Northumberland Co., NB 3AUG1918. Thomas' wife was Ellen Theresa Whelan. There were still variations. Jeremiah 'Hollohan' and Ann T. Keenan had a son, J.B. Hollohan, b. Renous River, Northumberland Co., NB 30NOV1891. Jeremiah Hallahan and Elizabeth Keenan, who had a son, Charles Hugh Hallahan b. Blackville Parish 18AUG1895; appear to be a separate couple. The first is Jeremiah Lawrence Hallahan (s/o Jeremiah and Mary (Whalen) Hallihan) and she is Annie/Ann/Anna/Hanna Theresa Keenan when Gordon Joseph Hallahan was b. Grainfield, Northumberland Co., NB 15JUL1902. Presumably a third Jeremiah Hollohan (s/o John and Catherine (Brophy?) Hallihan) and his wife, Julia Whalen, had a daughter, Mary C. Hollohan b. Renous River 25NOV1891. Other variations are 'Hallighan', 'Halliban', 'Hallihan' and 'Hallinhan'.

British Nathaniel Underhill married Mary Ann 'Hollohan' sometime before 1879. I have run into British before. His ancestors and mine were neighbours on Long Island in what is now New York in the mid-1600s. See:
http://www.pehoushek.com/RM%20GENEALOGY/Pehoushek/b407.htm#P...

Honorah Hollohan, Thomas' wife, d. Renous River, NB 7APR1891 age 72 years.
Jeremiah Hollohan d. Renous River 28JAN1891 age 79 years.
Jeremiah Hallihan b. 1787, d. 1875. See:
http://www.irelandxo.com/node/19567
Ellen Hollohan d. Newcastle Parish, Northumberland Co., NB 18SEP1917 age 78 years. She was married and born in Newcastle.

Assuming that Jeremiah, Sr. and Thomas were brothers, Thomas' family begins to look like:

THOMAS HALLIHAN b. Ireland ca. 1798, d. ca. 1850, m. HONORA (HANNAH) _____ (b. Ireland ca. 1819-25, d. Renous River, NB 7APR1891 age 72 years).
In Blackville Parish, in 1871, the family is headed by Jerry 'Holehin' or 'Holehm' (26) and included John (29), Timothy (24), Thomas (23), 'Hannora' (19) and 'Hannera' (7) as well as a Mary Connors? (9). In 1881 the family consists of John 'Hollohan' (26), Jeremiah (26), Thomas (24) and Norah (a variation of Honora) (65) with a Mary H. Corman (17). Obviously the ages are poor guesses.
In 1891, 'Jerrmiah' (44) had a wife, Mary (28), and children W. Thomas (5), A. Annie (3) and M. John (7 months). Other members of the family were his brother, John (48) and mother, 'Hannora' (78).
Children:
1. JOHN A. HALLIHAN b. Renous, Blackville Parish, Northumberland Co., NB 25DEC1840 (ca. 1842-3), d. Blackville Parish 20OCT1906 age 63 years.
2. JEREMIAH (JERRY) P. HALLIHAN b. ca. 1844-5 (15OCT1850 in 1901), m. 1st MARY _____ (b. ca. 1863); m. 2nd ELIZABETH KEENAN (b. 17MAR1863).
A Mrs. Jeremiah Hallahan/Hallihan d. Blackville Parish 17MAY1895 age 35 years. Jeremiah appears to be 'Jermiah' Hallihan in Blackville Parish in 1901 b. 15OCT1850. He has what appears to be a 2nd wife, Elizabeth (17MAR1863). Children were Annie A. (20MAR1890), Michael (2OCT1891), Charles (18AUG1895) and Sarah (4MAY1899). I would guess that Charles was the first child by a second marriage. Also with them was Jeremiah's brother, John A. Hallihan (25DEC1840)
Children:
21. THOMAS W. HALLIHAN b. ca. 1885.
22. ANNIE A. HALLIHAN b. 20MAR1890 (ca. 1888), m. 17SEP1907 JAMES M. WHALEN.
23. JOHN MICHAEL HALLIHAN b. 1890 (2OCT1891 in 1901).
24. CHARLES HUGH HALLIHAN b. Blackville Parish 18AUG1895.
25. MARGARET MARY HALLIHAN b. Blackville Parish 25JUN1898 (not in 1901 census).
26. SARAH E. H. HALLIHAN b. Blackville Parish 4MAY1899.
27. JEREMIAH HALLIHAN b. Blackville Parish 27FEB1903.
3. TIMOTHY HALLIHAN b. ca. 1845-7, m. ELLEN HETHERINGTON.
In 1901, Timothy's date-of-birth was unknown by the respondent to the enumerator. He was thought to be about 52-years of age. He is given as married, but no wife is named, just his sons, Thomas H. and John E.
Children:
31. ELLEN L. HALLIHAN b. 4MAR1879 (ca. 1878), d. 24JUN1942, m. LAURENCE (LAWRENCE) McLEAN.
32. THOMAS H. HALLIHAN b. 27MAR1881 (ca. 1881).
33. JOHN EVERETT HALLIHAN b. 24SEP1883 (ca. 1884), m. 12AUG1942 MARY JANE COMEAU.
4. THOMAS HALLIHAN b. ca. 1848-9.
5. HONORA HALLIHAN b. ca. 1850-3, m. 19SEP1877 WILLIAM JAMES SULLIVAN (b. ca. 1856).
When they married, William was from Glenelg Parish, Northumberland Co., NB. There were two William Sullivan's in Glenelg Parish in 1871, one age 13 and the other age 54, married to Mary F. (48) and the father of the first.
James Sullivan b. 9MAR1849 was in Glenelg Parish in 1901. James, in 1901, was a widower, and with him, as well as a sister, Annie, (4MAY1861), are his parents, William (11FEB1814) and Mary (10MAR1819). In 1851 there were two contiguous families:

Sulivan James M Head 70 Irish June 1817
Sulivan Bridget F Wife 63 Irish June 1817
Sulivan William M Grandson 6 Irish Birth
Sulivan Elizabeth F Granddaughter 16 Irish Birth

Sulivan William M Head 33 Irish June 1817
Sulivan Mary F Wife 28 Irish Birth
Sulivan Bridget F Daughter 8 Irish Birth
Sulivan Mary F Daughter 6 Irish Birth
Sulivan James M Son 5 Irish Birth
Sulivan Margaret F Daughter 3 Irish Birth
Sulivan Helen F Daughter 1 Irish Birth

This makes James a bit older than he appears in 1901. In 1891, James (46) lived next to William (80) and Mary (Flynn) (57). There William was b. Ireland and his parents b. Ireland as well while Mary and her parents were b. NB. James, while he and his mother were b. NB, gave his father as b. Prince Edward Island. While censuses are riddled with errors, this creates a lot of puzzles. James is first given as married then this is crossed out. With him was Sarah Murphy and her children, described as lodgers. James of Lower Bay du Vin died in hospital in Chatham 25SEP1906 age 55 years. He was b. St. Margaret's and William Sullivan of St. Margaret's, Bay du Vin died there 5MAR1908 age 98 years. Mrs. William Sullivan of Bay du Vin d. 9DEC1902 age 86.
Again, I am just speculating but these are the William Sullivan's I can find associated with Glenelg Parish out of numerous Sullivan's. Another William Sullivan d. Bay du Vin 20JAN1911 age 80 years, but I did not see him in the 1901 census. He may have been the William Sullivan in Newcastle (b. 1828) at the time, and William 'Sulivon' (64) there in 1891. His wife, in both cases, was Susan.
William and Mary 'Sulivan' in Glenelg Parish in 1881 did not have a son, William, with them.
William 'Sulivan' (25) in 1881, was in Blackville Parish. Possibly he may have been the William age 13 in 1871 in Glenelg Parish. His wife, Honora, was age 28 and children were John T. (2) and William J. (5 months). There were, judging by the 1891 census, a lot of Sullivan's in Blackville Parish, but I do not find William and Honora amongst them. The same is true for 1901.
Children:
51. JOHN T. SULLIVAN b. ca. 1879.
52. WILLIAM J. SULLIVAN b. NOV1880.

I am not familiar with Blackville History or families. See:
http://home.comcast.net/~gm1347/renous.htm
The above is partial, hastily written and a bit speculative. One difficulty would be in sorting out at least four, perhaps as many as six, Jeremiah's. It's the best I can do at this time.

Thomas.

Re: thomas Hollihan

Posted: 6 Sep 2014 1:44PM GMT
Classification: Query
Thomas,
This is great information. I am new at this only 2 years and it does get confusing and i have no family alive to help me figure this out. Here is what i know maybe you can clarify or help lead me in the right direction.
Honora Hollihan b1851 is my Great Grandmother
William J Sullivan b 1854 is my Great Grandfather - you are correct above about this family they moved to Stillwater,Mn William died 8 April 1889 Honora 23 May 1908. I have Honora's death certificate it list her father as Thos Hollihan and mother unknown. The two children you have listed above are also correct they also had a third Elizabeth Honora Sullivan b1888 and died in 1954, however Honora's death cert list she had 5 children and only 3 living at her death. I also know that Honora had a brother name Thomas who died in 13 Nov 1921 age 74 in Stillwater and is buried in the same family plot. The other strange thing in this same family plot is buried a man named William Sullivan age 60 died 21 Feb 1908 i have no idea who this could be and it seams strange the both this William and Honora died in the same year i was wondering if this maybe was a cousin to my GGrandfather. I do not know who my GGGrandparents are for sure i thought the same thing as you have that William and F Mary Sullivan would be his parents how could i ever determine if that is correct. Honora's father Thos would have to have been born prior to about 1830 or earlier so her father could be the family you have listed as Thomas Hallihan b 1798 do you think that could be right.

I really appreciate your time and thoughts,

Re: thomas Hollihan

Posted: 6 Sep 2014 7:23PM GMT
Classification: Query
I Think that William and Mary (Flynn) Sullivan were very likely William's (b. ca. 1858) parents and James and Bridget Sullivan (having arrived simultaneously and living next door in 1851) are almost certainly William, Sr.'s parents. I have trouble finding the family in 1861. I am not sure if this is because they moved temporarily (unlikely but possible), if they were in Hardwick Parish (originally part of Glenelg Parish and the 1861 census is water-damaged) or if the surname was badly transcribed (as Shanahan is given as 'Thanahan').

The William Sullivan 1848, d. 21FEB1908 appears to be the same b. ca. 1848 with William and Mary Sullivan in Glenelg Parish in 1871. However, in the 1885 census of Stillwater, Washington Co., Minnesota was William Sullivan b. NB ca. 1850, living with John (b. Ireland ca. 1825) and Maggie (b. NB ca. 1855) Currie. This may have been John Currie (b. Scotland ca. 1823) with a wife, Margaret (b. NB ca. 1848), and two children in Newcastle Parish, NB in 1861; if the age for Maggie in 1885 was incorrect. Probably, more likely, Margaret (in 1885) was John's daughter and William's wife as there is a reference to an obituary cited as in, ""Stillwater Gazette" VOLUME XVII, STILLWATER, MINNESOTA, WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 8, 1886, NO. 10, Page 4, Column 4", as for "Margaret (CURRY) SULLIVAN, w/of William SULLIVAN". One transcription reads:

"A Strange Death.
Yesterday afternoon Mrs. Margaret Sullivan, wife of William Sullivan, died suddenly at her residence on the corner of Bush and Olive streets. Mrs. Sullivan was in the house with her two young children about two o’clock yesterday when Dr. Stelzer called expecting to find Mrs. Sullivan’s father, Mr. Curry, with whom the doctor intended to talk concerning the property which the family occupied as a home. As the doctor entered Mrs. Sullivan stopped her work, and looking around gazed at the visitor in a dazed manner and dropped on the floor dead. Coroner Merrill was called and made an investigation. He found that death had resulted from heart disease from which Mrs. Sullivan had suffered for some time. Mr. Sullivan is employed on the logs in the lake and Mr. Curry is working with the street commissioner’s force. Contrary to the statements in the morning papers Mr. Curry says he had had no trouble or misunderstanding with Dr. Stelzer in regard to the house."

Also in Stillwater, in 1885, were William Sullivan (b. Canada ca. 1848), with a wife, Margaret (b. Canada ca. 1855) and children, James (ca. 1884) and Mary (1885), both b. Minnesota. However 'Canada' in this case may mean Ontario or Quebec. Also, in 1900, 'Henovia' was a widow. However this appears to be the Margaret who died in 1886 so the William Sullivan and the Currie's in 1885 seem to be the same as the Sullivan's listed separately. Very strange. At:
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/NewBrunswick/2...
Margaret is the d/o John and Mary Currie. There is also one of your 'missing' children:

"Sullivan, Christopher Jerry - 27 Nov 1894 - 12 - William & Honora".

Both Christopher and Jeremiah were names used by the Renous Hallihan's. I am pretty certain that Thomas Hallihan b. Ireland ca. 1798 was Honora's father. We know (1851 census) that he had such a daughter born at the right time and that William James Sullivan's wife was from Blackville Parish. I don't see much room for doubt. Thomas may also have been known as Timothy Hallihan or Hollihan who petitioned for land in Northumberland Co., NB in 1841. Jeremiah was granted 100 acres in Blackville Parish 6AUG1838, suggesting a married man with a small family. On 6AUG1840 he was given another 100 acres. Interestingly there was a John Hallihan also granted 100 acres in Blackville Parish 16DEC1840. A third brother? He does not seem to be in the 1851 census. Thomas 'Hallahan' was granted 100 acres in Blackville Parish 31DEC1841. John Hallihan's 100 acres were on the Renous River right next to Jeremiah's two lots. Immediately across the River was Thomas' 100 acres with, next to him, another 100 acres to John. Neighbours on one side were Jeremiah Donovan (m. 21NOV1830 Joanna Barrett?) and, on the other, Timothy Donovan. I suspect the Donovan's (from County Cork) are closely related even in Ireland. (Michael Donovan b. ca. 1815, s/o Timothy and Ellen (Barrett) Donovan m. Mary Hallahan; probably Jeremiah's daughter.) See:
http://home.comcast.net/~gm1347/donovan2.htm
http://home.comcast.net/~gm1347/donovan.htm
These were in the neighbourhood of localities Grainfield, North Renous and Pine Island. If you go to:
http://archives.gnb.ca/exhibits/communities/Details.aspx?cul...
and search for Grainfield you will get Grainfield, Northumberland County. Click on that and you will be offered the opportunity to download the full file. Save the file (say, as 'Blackville") to your desk top. Open the saved file and look in the upper right corner.

Honora's children, John Sullivan (Canada ca. 1880) and Elizabeth (Canada ca. 1889) lived in Stillwater in 1930 with an Anna Nelson (b. Sweden ca. 1852). In 1940, in Stillwater, William J. Sullivan (Canada ca. 1881) was married to Mildred (49), and had James (21), Dennis (18), 'Madalene' (16), Lauretta (14) and Patricia (10). In 1920 J. William (i.e., William J.) (38) and 'T. Mildred' (27) had a son, 'W. James' (1).

Consider another William James Sullivan (1882-1969), considered to be b. in Iowa. See:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=44...
Yet his wife, Margaret Monica Whelan at:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=44...
was from Renous, Blackville Parish, Northumberland Co., NB and we know the Whalen's are connected to the Hallihan's. Apparently Margaret's brother, Willie Francis Whalen, d. in Renous 13JUN1881 age 5 years and 6 months. This would make her the d/o John and Bridget (ca. 1852) 'Whalen" of Blackville Parish in 1881.

I don't know if this helps, but I expect that eventually you will find bits and pieces here and there. Unfortunately a lot of people were reluctant to leave information and viewed 'official' personages, such as census enumerators, with suspicion. I suspect that, sometimes, they just outright lied. Anyway, revising my structure of Honora's family, I now get:

5. HONORA HALLIHAN b. NOV1852 (ca. 1850-3), d. Stillwater, Washington Co., Minnesota 23MAY1908, m. 19SEP1877 WILLIAM JAMES SULLIVAN (b. ca. 1856, d. Stillwater, Washington Co., Minnesota 8APR1889).
When they married, William was from Glenelg Parish, Northumberland Co., NB. There were two William Sullivan's in Glenelg Parish in 1871, one age 13 and the other age 54, married to Mary F. (48) and the father of the first.
James Sullivan b. 9MAR1849 was in Glenelg Parish in 1901. James, in 1901, was a widower, and with him, as well as a sister, Annie, (4MAY1861), are his parents, William (11FEB1814) and Mary (10MAR1819). In 1851 there were two contiguous families:

Sulivan James M Head 70 Irish June 1817
Sulivan Bridget F Wife 63 Irish June 1817
Sulivan William M Grandson 6 Irish Birth
Sulivan Elizabeth F Granddaughter 16 Irish Birth

Sulivan William M Head 33 Irish June 1817
Sulivan Mary F Wife 28 Irish Birth
Sulivan Bridget F Daughter 8 Irish Birth
Sulivan Mary F Daughter 6 Irish Birth
Sulivan James M Son 5 Irish Birth
Sulivan Margaret F Daughter 3 Irish Birth
Sulivan Helen F Daughter 1 Irish Birth

This makes James a bit older than he appears in 1901. In 1891, James (46) lived next to William (80) and Mary (Flynn) (57). There William was b. Ireland and his parents b. Ireland as well while Mary and her parents were b. NB. James, while he and his mother were b. NB, gave his father as b. Prince Edward Island. While censuses are riddled with errors, this creates a lot of puzzles. James is first given as married then this is crossed out. With him was Sarah Murphy and her children, described as lodgers. James of Lower Bay du Vin died in hospital in Chatham 25SEP1906 age 55 years. He was b. St. Margaret's and William Sullivan of St. Margaret's, Bay du Vin died there 5MAR1908 age 98 years. Mrs. William Sullivan of Bay du Vin d. 9DEC1902 age 86.
Again, I am just speculating but these are the William Sullivan's I can find associated with Glenelg Parish out of numerous Sullivan's. Another William Sullivan d. Bay du Vin 20JAN1911 age 80 years, but I did not see him in the 1901 census. He may have been the William Sullivan in Newcastle (b. 1828) at the time, and William 'Sulivon' (64) there in 1891. His wife, in both cases, was Susan.
William and Mary 'Sulivan' in Glenelg Parish in 1881 did not have a son, William, with them.
William 'Sulivan' (25) in 1881, was in Blackville Parish. Possibly he may have been the William age 13 in 1871 in Glenelg Parish. His wife, Honora, was age 28 and children were John T. (2) and William J. (5 months). There were, judging by the 1891 census, a lot of Sullivan's in Blackville Parish, but I do not find William and Honora amongst them. The same is true for 1901.
Children:
51. JOHN T. SULLIVAN b. ca. 1879.
52. WILLIAM J. SULLIVAN b. NOV1880, d. Stillwater, Washington Co., Minnesota 14MAY1945, m. MILDRED THERESA O'KEEFE (b. 30JAN1890, d. 21APR1963).
53. CHRISTOPHER JEREMIAH (JERRY) SULLIVAN b. ca. 1882, d. Stillwater, Washington Co., Minnesota 27NOV1894 age 12 years.
54. child.
55. ELIZABETH HONORA SULLIVAN b. ca. 1887-9.

Thomas.
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