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LaBourliere & Madore surnames

LaBourliere & Madore surnames

Posted: 13 Mar 2004 7:47PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 17 Mar 2004 1:09PM GMT
Surnames: LaBourliere, Madore
Does anyone have convicing evidence that the LaBourliere family was responsible for the Madore Family?
And how they got to the West Coast of Newfoundland pre 1800.

Re: LaBourliere & Madore surnames

Posted: 17 Mar 2004 1:11PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 4 Dec 2006 12:09PM GMT
In what way are you using "responsible" ? Could you please be more specific about what information you are seeking?

Regards,
Sharyn

Re: LaBourliere & Madore surnames

Posted: 17 Mar 2004 6:36PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 19 Mar 2004 3:35PM GMT
Surnames: Madore, De La Bourlier, Morel
Hi Sharon, thanks for the response.
I have a ton of LaBourliere stuff indicating that the Dit Madore they used created the Madores of eastern Canada, well, at least some of them.
I am trying to make a connection between them and our Newfoundland Madores, which I think are my branch. There are various theories, such as Dit Morel being the Madore originator.....which I don't think works for me.

Do you have anything to shed some light on this?

Dan

Re: LaBourliere & Madore surnames

Posted: 19 Mar 2004 4:08PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 4 Dec 2006 12:09PM GMT
Surnames: Mador, Mador dit Morel, Morel dit Mador, Roy, Grondin, Chenier, Labourliere, Laplante, Chenier, Gaboury, Bouffard, Pain, Pin
When researching French surnames and dit names in Quebec (Eastern Canada) they is one really great source - PRDH at University of Montreal. From there you will find the following:

The Mador dit Morel line is the primary line in Quebec. The earliest one *with male descendants* is Francois Morel dit Mador who married (2) Marie Roy 1708-12-01 at Montreal. His parents were the immigrants Michel Morel and Marie Grondin who were married before 1671 in France. Francois had a son, Louis Morel dit Mador who married Marie Catherine Chenier 1736-01-07 at Lachine and produced at least 3 sons who married and had male children. From there the Morel dit Mador line continues.

The name Labourliere was only associated as a dit name for Madore on one document before 1800 in Quebec. There was also one document with Mador dit Laplante and one with Mador dit Chenier. Labourliere was primarily associated wiith Laplante and Gaboury. For Madore, even Tanguay does not indicate Labourliere as a dit (however, Morel, Bouffard, Pain and Pin are dits for Madore in Tanguay).

If you do have sound documentation that Labourliere and Mador were dit names before 1800, my speculation would be that Madore and Labourliere may have been linked outside Quebec before 1800 and the people emigrated to other provinces. It would be interesting to know the sources used to document the dit association.

Regards,
Sharyn

Re: LaBourliere & Madore surnames

Eilleen Madore (View posts)
Posted: 30 Jul 2004 8:36AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Madore
I read your message with interest. I'm having a hard time finding info on the Morel dit Parisien line. Apparently 2 Michel Morel dit names appear for the same general time of arrival to Montreal - 1665. La Societe de genalogie de l'Outaouais told me that Michel dit Parisien married Marie Grodin & had 1 child Francois in 1671 at Trois-Rivieres. But this info is the same info I find on on Michel Morel dit Troyes. I could not find any info on dit Parisien at the University of Montreal. Could they be the same person?
Eilleen.

Re: LaBourliere & Madore surnames

Posted: 30 Jul 2004 12:02PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 4 Dec 2006 12:09PM GMT
Surnames: Morel, Morel dit Parisien, Morel dit Mador, Grondin
Michel Morel dit Parisien b. abt 1643 in France and died Sept 19 1679 at Montreal. No further information, no marriage, no children.

The Michel Morel who married Marie Grondin appears on only two certificates, neither with any dit name at all. Their son Francois appears on 52 certificates and the only dit name he used was Morel dit Mador.

There is no certificate with "Morel dit Troyes" in Quebec between 1621 and 1799.

There is no evidence for any Morel dit Parisien "line".

Regards,
Sharyn

Re: LaBourliere & Madore surnames

Eilleen Madore (View posts)
Posted: 30 Jul 2004 5:10PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Madore
Thanks for the info. This is so confusing. I guess I have to keep working backwards with my search rather than trying to find the beginning. If dit Parisien ends, then he can't be related. Lots more work to do!
Thanks again,
Eilleen.

Re: LaBourliere & Madore surnames

Posted: 1 Aug 2004 1:08AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 4 Dec 2006 12:09PM GMT
Working backwards is the "only" way to do sourceable, verifiable genealogy. Although some clues can be found by working down a line, with French-Canadian research it is not a recommended practice. The problem is the naming patterns. Cousins frequently have the same names, born in the same year. Many males have a Joseph in their name and many females a Marie. Often different records for the same person will use a different combination of saint name, baptismal name, forename, and middle name.

You will probably do best if you post what you *do* know for sure about a family - including maiden names, dates, locations, and all siblings - to the appropriate message board. If a post to the surname board doesn't yield results within a few months (yes, I said *months*) then try posting to the appropriate locality board. Be sure to be specific about what information your are seeking.

Regarding the *Parisian* portion of a dit name, I found many, many surnames with Parisian attached in old Quebec, but it was generally dropped before 1800.

Regards,
Sharyn

Re: LaBourliere & Madore surnames

Eilleen (View posts)
Posted: 1 Aug 2004 3:46AM GMT
Classification: Query
Thanks Sharyn, I will. By the way, every female in my family has Marie in their name & every male has Joseph!!!
Later,
Eilleen.

Re: LaBourliere & Madore surnames

Carole Tutic (View posts)
Posted: 21 Nov 2004 7:21AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Morel dit Madore
The Morel dit Troyes is actually Michel Morel from Troyes, Champagne, France. He was known as Michel Morel dit Madore. He married Marie Grandin and lived in Trois Rivieres, Quebec. He died in 1671.

The Morel dit Parisien is actually Michel Morel from Paris, France. He lived in Montreal. He died in 1679.

Therefore Troyes and Parisien are not dit names but place names. Parisien translate to Parisian in english - meaning from Paris.

There were 2 Michel Morel in Quebec at that time 1660's. This was probably to tell them apart.
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