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Joseph McKiel

Shirlee Connors-carlson (View posts)
Posted: 15 Feb 2004 2:57PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: McKeel, McKeil, McKiel,,
I am writing a story about one Joseph McKeel, McKiel, McKeil and need some information about his birth date. I am told it is about 1800ish. He left Kings County and came to the Allagash Region in the late 1830's or mid century and worked their the rest of his life. He was buried on the Upper Allagash river in two pork barrels about 1890. The people in this region have kept his memory alive and hand it down to every generation. He has no death record as it was never reported. He died during the spring log river drive. If it was reported within the township, it never was sent on to Augusta, Me.
His story is long overdue. Anyone who can help with his possible birth date will be given a copy of this booklet I am working on when it is soon to be published.
He is very much a part of the Legend of the logging days on the Allagash.
I have written his Eulogy which is about 114 or 115 years overdue. This story needs to be told and put in written form for future generations who will be researching the settlement above the Allagash falls someday. So in the interest of posterity I am attempting to write a short account of his life with bits and pieces that have been handed down to me. He did have a son who came and wanted to take him back home, but he could not leave because of his love for the Allagash river and the woods.

Re: Joseph McKiel

Thomas A. Murray (View posts)
Posted: 20 Feb 2004 5:16AM GMT
Classification: Query
I have run across the name, McKiel, and its variations in Greenwich Parish, Kings Co., NB. On 30JUN1980, Cleadie B. Barnett privately published extractions from, "Kings County Marriage Register, Volume 1, 1812-1828", in Oromocto, NB. Entry 151 (page 151 of the original) includes the marriage of Joseph McKeel, yeoman of Greenwich Parish, and Ann Lounder, spinster of Westfield Parish 15OCT1823; witnesses: Amasa Owen and Lemuel Crabb.
In, "1851 Census For Kings County, New Brunswick", Vol. 1, Julia M. Walker and Margaret G. Duplisea, Provincial Archives of NB, Fredericton, NB, 1979, p. 119 is Joseph McKiel, age 51, farmer, b. NB. Ann is age 50; and their children include: Mary 22, John 19, Thomas 16, Sarah, 14 and Eliza 11.
A transcript of the Rev. H. A. Cody's collection of Anglican Church records for Greenwich and Westfield Parishes includes the baptisms:

McKeel, Joseph / Ann / ... / James Burtis / 1837 Mar 31 / 1824 Sep 4 / ... / Greenwich
McKeel, Joseph / Ann / ... / Eleanor Ann / 1837 Mar 31 / 1826 ... 27 / ... / Greenwich
McKeel, Joseph / Ann / ... / Mary Owens / 1837 Mar 31 / 1829 ... / ... / Greenwich
McKeel, Joseph / Ann / ... / John / 1837 Mar 31 / 1832 ... / ... / Greenwich
McKeel, Joseph / Ann / ... / Joseph Thomas / 1837 Mar 31 / 1836 ... 7 / ... / Greenwich
McKeel, Joseph / Ann / ... / Sarah Jane / 1837 Mar 31 / 1837 ... / ... / Greenwich
McKeel, Joseph / Ann / ... / Eliza [Erma] / 1840 Mar 16 / 1839 Oct 3 / ... / Greenwich

at:

http://www.rootsweb.com/~nbcwestf/west-chr-m.html

a similar page at:

http://www.rootsweb.com/~nbcwestf/west-m-grom-l.html

for marriages gives Ann's maiden name as 'Louder'.
Some factors, including an 1815 land grant, make me suspect that his father was John McKeil.

Thomas

Re: Joseph McKiel

Thomas A. Murray (View posts)
Posted: 20 Feb 2004 6:01AM GMT
Classification: Query
Lemuel Crabb m. Sarah Lounder, and probably was Ann's brother-in-law. His cousin, Charles Crabb, m. Eleanor Ann McKiel; possibly Joseph's sister.
My own interest comes were Mary Owens McKeil, a daughter of Joseph and Ann, married George Thomas Flewelling; the Flewelling's being my area of interest. Of George and Mary I wrote:

42NJ. GEORGE THOMAS FLEWELLING

George Thomas Flewelling b. 31MAY1826, bpt. Oak Point 29OCT1826, d. 20OCT1875 aet. 50, bur. Brown’s Flat Baptist Church Cem., Westfield Parish, Kings Co., NB, m. Saint John, Saint John Co., NB (SJMR Book E, 139) 11SEP1854 Mary Owens McKeil (b. ca. 1829-30; 18JUN1829 in 1901 when she was living with her son, Edmund as ’Mary E. Flewelling’), d/o Joseph and Ann Margaret (Lounder) McKeil.
In the 1861 census of Greenwich Parish, Kings Co., NB a Methodist, age 34. Children: Duncan b. ca. 1856 and Edmund b. ca. 1859.
In the 1871 census of Greenwich Parish, a farmer, Wesleyan Methodist, age 43. Children: Duncan D. b. ca. 1856, Edmond H. b. ca. 1860, Ann J. b. ca. 1866 and Berniece Z. b. ca. 1869.
In 1881 census of Greenwich (PAC C-13180), Mary O., widow, age 52 (b. ca. 1829), Wesleyan Methodist. Children: Duncan D. b. ca. 1856, Edmond H. b. ca. 1860, Annie J. b. ca. 1866 and Bernice Z. b. ca. 1869.
In 1891 census of Greenwich Parish (PAC T-6301, pp. 17-18), Duncan D. Flewelling farmer and Methodist age 34 (b. ca. 1856) with wife, Alice b. ca. 1863. Children: Maggie Lulu b. ca. 1884, Maria Elizabeth b. ca. 1886, Clarence George b. ca. 1888 and Ethel Bernice b. ca. 1890. Nearby is Edward Horatio Flewelling (presumably, Edmond H.) b. ca. 1860 farmer, Methodist, not married. With him is Mary Owens Flewelling, his widowed mother b. ca. 1830 and Annie Jane Flewelling b. ca. 1866, described as a lodger, but presumably his sister.
In the 1851 census of Greenwich Parish (1851 Census For Kings County, New Brunswick, Julia M. Walker and Margaret G. Duplisea, Provincial Archives of New Brunswick, Fredericton, NB, 1979, Vol. 1, p. 107) George (age 24) appears with his father. In the same census (pp. 118-119) are several McKiel or McKeil (the spelling varies) families, including three with the name James McKiel. One of these is being visited by “Eloner” Owens (b. ca. 1822.) In the home of Joseph (b. ca. 1800) and Ann (b. ca. 1801) McKiel, amongst other children, is their daughter, Mary (b. ca. 1829); presumably the future wife of George Thomas Flewelling. In, Kings County Marriage Register, Vol. 1, 1812 to 1828, Cleadie B. Barnett, privately, Oromocto, NB, 1980, is an entry # 84 (pg. 84 of the original?) which reports that Amasa Owen, a carpenter of Kingston Parish, married 17OCT1819 Mary McKeel of Greenwich Parish. The suggestion from these two sources is that Eleanor Owens was a daughter of the marriage, visiting cousins and such in Greenwich Parish in 1851, that Mary (“McKeel”) “Owen” was possibly an aunt, at least a namesake of Mary Owens McKeil.
At a site, Family Tree of McKeel/McKiel, by Gordon K. Miller, at:

http://personal.nbnet.nb.ca/gordmill/McKiel.htm

much of this guesswork is supported. According to this site, Mary Owen McKiel b. 1829, m. George Thomas Flewelling, was the d/o Joseph McKiel, Jr. and Ann Margaret Lounder. The line continues:

Joseph McKiel, Jr. m. Greenwich Parish, Kings Co., NB 15OCT1823 Ann Margaret Lounder, d/o Thomas H. and Eleanor Lounder (in 1851 census of Greenwich Parish, “Ellener” is a widow, b. ca. 1780, Irish, arrived NB 1787, living with her son, Benjamin Lounder.) He, indeed, had a sister Mary, although whom she married is not given. He was the s/o:

Joseph McKiel b. 1750, d. 1816, m. Anna Burtis (b. 1757, d. 1845), a Loyalist who was s/o:

John Mekeel m. Martha Haight, of Crumpond, Courtland Manor, Fishkill, Dutchess Co., NY, and s/o:

Hendrick McKeel/Mekeel m. Jane _____, who was s/o

Reyer Michielsen b. 1653, d. 1733 (Used surname McKeel (1698), also Mekeel) m 1686 Jacomia Tiebout; and who was s/o

Michiel Bastiensen Van Kortnijk, b. Leerdam, Netherlands, s/o Sebastien Van Kortrijk of West Vlaanderen,Belgium and Leerdam,Netherlands.

all of which suggests that the McKiels/McKeils may not want to celebrate their Gaelic heritage just yet.
Their children were:

42NJ1. DUNCAN DUNBAR FLEWELLING b. 4JUN1860 (1901 census, others give ca. 1856), m. Saint John, Saint John Co., NB 28MAR1882 (SJMR Vol. J, 190 PANB F-27) ALICE MARION LOUNDER (b. 17AUG1859 (ca. 1863)), (possibly a maternal cousin?, possibly a d/o Benjamin and Catherine Lounder?)
42NJ2. EDMUND HORATIO FLEWELLING b. 19APR1860 (19AUG1860 in 1901), d. 14MAR1917, bur. Brown’s Flat Baptist Church Cem., Westfield Parish, Kings Co., NB, m. Saint John Co., NB 18DEC1894 CLARA A. SMITH (b. 16FEB1870, d. 18OCT1895, bur. Brown’s Flat Baptist Church Cem., Westfield Parish, Kings Co., NB), possibly the Edmund H. Flewelling who m. Saint John Co., NB Jesse Sutton.
42NJ3. ANNA (or ANNIE) JANE FLEWELLING b. ca. 1866
42NJ4. BERNICE Z. FLEWELLING b. ca. 1869, possibly the Bernice G. Flewelling who m. Kings Co., NB 24OCT1890 Jesse F. Crawford

Thomas

Re: Joseph McKiel

Shirlee Connors-carslon (View posts)
Posted: 23 Feb 2004 2:26AM GMT
Classification: Query
I, Shirlee Connors-carlson, searched for one Joseph McKiel for a whole year. I posted messages all over from Nova Scotia to Quebec and finally received a message from Thomas Murray, giving me a printout on church regords from a parish church in Greenwich, Kings County, New Brunswick, with the date of his birth, his marriage to Ann Lounder, and a list of their six children, being: James Burtis b. 1824, Eleanor Ann b. 1826, Mary Owens b.1829, John b. 1832, Joseph b.1836,Sarah Jane 1837 and Eliza b. 1839. all were baptised in the year of 1837 except Elize baptised in 1840.
This has helped me to document a man's life that had so many unanswered quetions.
If any of his decendants still live in the Greenwich Area, I would like to hear from them.I also want to thank Thomas Murray for his supplying me with this information. It was a great help to me, as my cousin and I worked doggedly to find some origin for this man, who was buried in two pork barrels on the Allagash River above the falls. He has remained a legendary figure here. Now we can rest knowing that an effort is being made to let his people know where his final resting place is,,, on the river he couldn't leave. Thanks again Tom.

Re: Joseph McKiel

Thomas A. Murray (View posts)
Posted: 23 Feb 2004 3:16AM GMT
Classification: Query
No sweat. I am sure there is more, except the variations in spelling of McKiel make it difficult. Ann's maiden name, I am sure, was Lounder, not Louder, as the name appears elsewhere.
I suggested Joseph was the s/o John McKiel. Raymond Paddock Gorham, an early NB historian and genealogist, suggests that John m. Ann Whelpley, d/o Jonathan and Mary (Kitchen) Whelpley; another Loyalist family in Kings Co. at:
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nbpast/KI/ki-gorham4.html
Most of these families were connected before the Revolution. For example, I noted at the McKiel GenForum a reference to a Joseph McKiel/Mekeel who m. a Haight in NY. This would be in Westchester Co., NY, where the Haight's/Hayt's/ Hoit's/Hoyt's/etc. from early Connecticut lived. Thus, I would suspect the Loyalist McKiel's also came from about Westchester Co. In short, Joseph McKiel probably came from an extended Loyalist family, but I have not noted any attempt to focus on that particular name.

Thomas

Re: Joseph McKiel

Posted: 8 Feb 2010 11:58PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Crabb, Lounder
Tom,
In your response of 20 Feb 2004, you mention that "Lemuel Crabb m. Sarah Lounder, and probably was Ann's brother-in-law. His cousin, Charles Crabb, m. Eleanor Ann McKiel; possibly Joseph's sister."
I am researching a New Brunswick CRABB line and it has taken me back as far as Lemuel and Sarah Crabb in the 1851 census for Greenwich Parish, Kings County, N.B.
Can you please direct me to your source for the marriage of Lemuel Crabb and Sarah Lounder so that I might further my research for Lemuel Crabb's antecedents, as well as for those of Sarah Lounder's?
I would be much obliged.
Deacon McLaren

Re: Joseph McKiel

Posted: 9 Feb 2010 2:05AM GMT
Classification: Query
"Kings County Marriage Register, Vo. 1: 1812-1828", by Cleadie B. Barnett, privately, Oromocto, NB 1980, entry 148. This gives Lemuel Crabb and Sarah Lounder married in Greenwich Parish, Kings Co., NB 7MAY1823. Both of Greenwich Parish; witnesses John T. Pitt and William Crabb.

Lemuel d. Caverhill, York Co., NB 18FEB1865 age 64 years, formerly a resident of Long Reach. (Saint John, "Religious Intelligencer", 24FEB1865 and Fredericton, "Colonial Farmer", 27FEB1865.)

I rather suspect that Lemuel is the same as Samuel Crabb in Greenwich Parish in the 1851 census.

Crabb Samuel M Head 51 Farmer Birth
Crabb Sarah F Wife 49 Farmer Birth
Crabb John M Son 20 Farmer Birth
Crabb Sarah F Daughter 19 Farmer Birth
Crabb Thomas M Son 15 Farmer Birth
Crabb William M Son 12 Farmer Birth
Crabb Arnol (?) M Son 10 Farmer Birth
Crabb Charles M Son 8 Farmer Birth
Crabb Mary F Daughter 5 Farmer Birth

This suspicion is borne out by the Ven. Archdeacon H. A. Cody's compilation of Anglican Church records for Westfield and Greenwich Parishes; especially:

Crabb / Samuel / Greenwich / 1823 May 07 / # 16 / ...
Louder / Sarah / Greenwich / m. at Greenwich

at:

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nbkings/West/west-m-grom-a...

My guess is that his name was Lemuel, but that transcribers have opted for "Samuel". Not that unusual. He was 'Lemeul' when he petitioned for land in Kings Co. in 1824 with John Crabb. I would suspect that he was a son or grandson of John Crabbe, a Loyalist who first settled at Oak Point, Greenwich Parish, Kings Co., NB. The name is a bit familiar to be as my ancestor, Thomas Flewelling, lived in the next lot. Indeed, as both families were on the ship, "Cyrus", and since Thomas Flewelling had effected the purchase of land at Long Reach before leaving NY; it is possible that John Crabbe may have been made aware of the availability of the land through Thomas. I believe Thomas later purchased John's lot 11JUL1797. John and John, Jr. were grantees of town lots in Parrtown in 1785 (as were James and Stephen) so it would appear that John, Sr. had grown sons, and Lemuel is more likely a grandson. The younger John Crabb d. Greenwich Parish 20DEC1853 age 87 years (b. ca. 1766.) John, Sr., John, Jr. and Stephen all arrived in 1783 in Company 31 of Loyalist Refugees. John, Sr. had a wife, 2 children over the age of 10 years, and one under 10. The other two were single. It would seem that John, Jr. was his son, and presumably Stephen, also single, was as well.
At:
http://weezy.info/pdf/GrandmaMePart6Chptr1.pdf
John Crabb, Sr. is given as (per Dr. Wright) lieutenant of Refugee Company 29 (an administrative post, but a genuine commission as an officer of militia); which is at odds with Bell's extractions from the victualing lists. I would Bell more reliable, but he still probably held a commission.


Lemuel J. Crabb (d. 18FEB1865 age 66 years) is buried in the Crabb Cemetery, York Co., NB. With him is buried his wife, Sarah M. Lounder, d. 7OCT1888 age 84 years.)

At:
http://news.rootsweb.com/th/read/CRABB/2002-05/1020456685
Lemuel is given as a s/o John Crabb, Jr. and Mary Cram (Oram?)

I would think that Sarah M. Louder is the same Sarah b. 27AUG1804, d/o Thomas Henry and Elinor Lounder at:
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=AHN&d...
supposedly married to George Lounder.
See also:
http://www.nbgs.ca/firstfamilies/FAMILY-C-2006.pdf
Let me know if you need more.

Thomas

Re: Joseph McKiel

Posted: 22 Jun 2014 9:43PM GMT
Classification: Query
Please contact me. I am researching the MacKeil Family line. My email is mikecheverie@eastlink.ca.
Jody MacKeil

Re: Joseph McKiel

Posted: 25 Jul 2014 6:58PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi, Jody.

Whom is it that you want to contact you?

Thomas.

Re: Joseph McKiel

Posted: 14 Apr 2015 8:44PM GMT
Classification: Query
Sorry about not specifying!! I am looking for info about Joseph McKiel and his wife Ann Margaret Lounder. I am working on the New Brunsick side of The MacKeil/McKeil/MacKiel... family and have a lot of blanks to fill in. I am wondering who their childre married. I would like any MacKeil info that anyone can provide. I have expanded my tree greatly but there is always those deadends that pop up :) Any help greatly appreciated.
Jody
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