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Lynch in New Brunswick, Canada

Lynch in New Brunswick, Canada

Posted: 5 May 2015 1:42PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Lynch
Andrew Jackson Lynch
b. 25 Jan 1864 in Canada
m. 19 Aug 1891 in Tacoma, Pierce, WA to Margaret Maria Chandler dau. of Albert Chandler and Elizabeth Englehart.
d. 13 Feb 1923 in Parker, Yakima, WA
buried Tahoma Cemetery.

believe his immigration took place in 1890.
declaration of intent filed 1892, naturalized Apr, 1906 Tacoma, Pierce County. Naturalization papers indicate he was a citizen of New Brunswick, Canada.
Also married to Ellen Dillon and later divorced, also in Tacoma.

He moved from Tacoma, Pierce County to Yakima County sometime between April, 1906 and 1910. (And also visited Canada around that time as well.)

Death certificate lists no parents, just Father born Ireland, Mother born Canada.

I am looking for any information that might lead to the identification of his city of origin and parents. I am guessing he was from the Saint John area, possibly a bit closer to the border of Maine, or Quebec. (Strictly from border crossing records in that area by himself and his wife.)

His children were Alberta Elizabeth, Ross Chandler, Hazel E, Thomas Lloyd, Andrew Grant, Erwin Charles, Eunice, and Theresa L. Lynch. Some of these names came from his wife Maggie's and/or his 2nd wife Ellen's families, I can only assume some of the other names (middle or first) came from given names from his own family.

He did make visits back to Canada after his immigration/naturalization.

Re: Lynch in New Brunswick, Canada

Posted: 5 May 2015 7:26PM GMT
Classification: Query
The name, Lynch, appears frequently even in earlier New Brunswick. There was an Andrew Lynch age 10-years in Petersville Parish, Queens Co., NB in 1871. His parents were Timothy (60) and Ellen (45) Lynch. Siblings, all born in NB, were Daniel (24), Alexander (22), Mary (20), Terrance (18), Michael (16), Timothy (14), Thomas (12), Luke (8) ‘Unice’ (6), Ellen (4) and James (2). See:
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nbqueens/Pete-71-7.htm
Both parents were born Ireland but that is assuming that the census is correct in all details. This is actually unlikely. For example, in Petersville Parish in 1881, Timothy has only aged 5-years in 10-years, and is now age 65. Ellen (55) is now b. NB. Children were Daniel (33), ‘Terence’ (27), Michael (26), Timothy (24), Thomas (22), Andrew (20), Luke (18), Eunice (11). James (13) Teresa (10) and Patrick (7) with the family is Ann McKenna (82), b. Ireland, a widow and a pauper; possibly taken in and paid for by the parish but also possible Ellen, Sr.’s mother.
Eunice Lynch (ca. 1866) married 5JUN1888 John O’Neill. See:
http://archives.gnb.ca/Search/VISSE/141B7.aspx?culture=en-CA...
She gave her parents as Timothy Lynch and Helen McGowen. Amongst Scots particularly, Helen and Ellen were pretty much the same name.
At:
http://www.rubycusack.com/issue320.html
this Andrew is identified as the same that you seek.
Mary, the daughter b. ca. 1851, appears to be the same at:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=11...
Her death record is at:
http://archives.gnb.ca/Search/VISSE/141C5.aspx?culture=en-CA...
and gives her mother as Ellen MacGowan.
The 1861 census of Petersville Parish is partially at:
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1861/jpg/4108520_00344....
here, Ellen’s mother is ‘Unis’ McGowan (ca. 1781) and another son is ‘Cormick’ (Cormac or Cormack?; probably the ‘Cornelius’ Lynch b. ca. 1849, d. Petersville Parish 1JAN1903) Lynch (ca. 1849). Other children at the time were Daniel (14), Mary Jane (10), Terence (8), Michael (6), Timothy (4), Thomas (2) and Andrew (8 months). The NB census for 1861 was collected beginning 15AUG1861, so this would mean that Andrew was b. ca. DEC1860-JAN1861. This is inconsistent with other data (MAR1865 in 1900, ca. 1863 in 1910, ca. 1868 in 1920), but otherwise, I cannot find an Andrew Lynch that otherwise comes even close. In spite of:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=11...
it appears he was alive in 1861.
At:
http://boards.ancestry.com/localities.northam.canada.novasco...
‘Petersburg’ obviously means Petersville Parish. This is more clearly stated at:
http://www.thestewartsinireland.ie/coollattin-estate/
Eunice McGowan may have been a widow of Daniel McGowan who petitioned for land in Queens Co., NB in 1826, 1829, 1830 (with Patrick McGowan and Michael McGraw) and in 1860. Another possibility is Patrick McGowan (1826, 1830, 1839 and 1860). Daniel seems more likely as he and Eunice seem buried together as at:
http://www.bgcha.ca/cem/cem39.htm
http://archives.gnb.ca/Search/Cemeteries/Details.aspx?cultur...

Thomas.

Re: Lynch in New Brunswick, Canada

Posted: 5 May 2015 8:56PM GMT
Classification: Query
Thank you for your reply. I had seen this family one time before, before I had to cancel the ancestry subscription and thought it LIKELY that this is my Andrew's family, but as the dates are all over the place and most all of the family has passed there's been no way for me to verify it. These were all big families so I was kind of hoping some cousins might pop up and know something more.

The findagrave memorial page you found is one that I created. The date listed is the one that is on his death certificate whereas the grave marker itself says born 1958. I chose to list the death certificate date as the year itself appears from the handwriting to be part of the original record, though the month and day do not. Even his death certificate isnt that reliable, as most of the information on it is missing or was filled in well after the fact and isnt a part of the official. (handwriting is completely different for some of the dates, as it is for the rest of the record).

His death record also lists place of birth as Maine. Not very useful, all in all.

I haven't seen the site you listed before with the query regarding A.J. Lynch by Robert Bozorth, however, that is Alberta E. Lynch's son. She married Claude Bozorth. I sent a test out to the email and it is no longer valid. That's the first thing I've seen that listed an actual town for a place of birth, perhaps Alberta actually had something belonging to Andrew that was passed to her son stating Petersville. Certainly the second child Ross knew nothing about it, nor any of the others that I've been able to discover.

The biggest obstacle with A. J. Lynch is the fact that every record for him gives a different DOB, and often a different Place as well. I'm used to seeing this with much older generations of family, but Andrew passed just a couple years before my grandmother was born. The families were large, and yet nobody seems to know anything.

Thank you so much for taking the time to look for, and post all of this. You've given me a lot to think about, and perhaps another family member WILL show up and know something that may proof to this being our Andrew's family.

Re: Lynch in New Brunswick, Canada

Posted: 6 May 2015 1:35AM GMT
Classification: Query
It is not unusual for dates-of-birth to vary widely even wildly, especially on census returns. On death records, the presumption is that the person giving the information actually knows the date-of-birth. I think the 1861 census is the best indicator as this mean that Andrew had to actually be living before 15AUG1861 to even be enumerated. Also that he was 8-months may be fairly accurate, but at least it is reasonable to believe that he was roughly 6-12 months. If you take the 25JAN1864 version and accept the date but not the year, then 25JAN1861 would mean that he would have been about 7 months and 21 days on 15AUG1861, or, as the census suggests, about 8 months.

He may have been given as born in Maine as people in Cascadia on the West Coast may not always separate Maine from NB and especially NB from Nova Scotia. Actually people in Ontario still seem to have a similar problem. Differentiating between Saint John (NB), Fort Saint John (British Columbia) and St. John's (Newfoundland) simply seems to overwhelm them. And, of course, if your from NB then you must be from 'St. Johns'.

On the other hand, there was a Luke Lynch in New Limerick, Aroostook Co., Maine in 1910 b. Canada ca. SEP1864, who could have been his brother, b. ca. 1863 in 1871. People finding work in the forestry industry often went to Maine first, then on to Michigan and Cascadia. In fact, when Luke m. Carleton Co., NB 11FEB1897 Alice Hunter, he was b. Petersville, Queens Co. ca. 1867 and she was from Houlton, Aroostook Co., ME. Luke was a farmer at the time. So the connection to Maine may not be too tenuous.

Your best bet for any real information is "Petersville: St. Ignatius Registers, 1825-1871" on microfilm F-13288 at the Provincial Archives of New Brunswick. See:
http://archives.gnb.ca/Documents/CountyGuides/Queens_en-CA.p...
You probably have to get a letter of permission from the diocese in Saint John; although this particular microfilm may no longer be restricted. Pretty much all of Petersville Parish was expropriated to create Canadian Forces Base (CFB) Gagetown 1952-4. See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CFB_Gagetown
"A Time There Was - Petersville and Other Abandoned Settlements in Queens County, New Brunswick, 1815-1953", by Marion Gilchrist Reicke,r was published in 1984 by the Queens County Historical Society.
Anyway, by 1891, Ellen (66) was a widow in Saint John with Luke (24), Theresa (17) and 'Patrke?' 15.

Thomas.

Re: Lynch in New Brunswick, Canada

Posted: 6 May 2015 12:15PM GMT
Classification: Query
Its a weird situation that apparently Alberta might have known where he was born, and her children... but yet all of his other children had no idea. I think it more likely Ross heard about his father coming through Maine when he emigrated and assumed birth. Or maybe heard stories when he was young of his father working in Maine... I've been trying to find out if there are anymore descendants of Alberta's line still living, though I was told no. Doesn't seem very reliable as there Robert Bozorth was with a query.

I was wondering if perhaps Andrew stopped in Maine before moving on out west, as his census records (I think?) stated he emigrated in 1890, and that was the same thing my grandmother told me. He didn't marry Maggie until late 1891. If 1890 is accurate there is 1-2 years there unaccounted for and I'd really like to know what he was doing. Though I never did find him in an 1890 census. If his brother(s) emigrated as well that would be another thing to look for, as the Query from R. Bozorth stated brothers as John and Tom... but didn't know anything about the (possible) others... maybe they migrated west with Andrew. It looks like I'm going to have to get another subscription to ancestry.

Thanks for the link to St Ignatius registers, definitely will get on that. I feel like I'm so much closer to figuring out who he was than I ever have been before. This has been a pretty stagnant line for years. Trying to get as much info as possible before my grandmother's birthday this November. She has always wondered.

"A Time There Was......" a book about the settlement itself or the families therein as well?

Thank you again for all of your detailed responses. I have also written to the Tacoma library re: his participation in the first regular fire dept there and HOPE to have a fairly decent profile about him (and maybe his family?) by the time November rolls around.
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