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Looking for info on Annie Pedlisecki (Genik) and Annie Kosowszyer/Kosowczycz (Gilbert Plains MB)

Looking for info on Annie Pedlisecki (Genik) and Annie Kosowszyer/Kosowczycz (Gilbert Plains MB)

Posted: 9 Oct 2013 10:10PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Genik Pedlisecki Kosowszyer Kosoczycz
Hi,

I am looking for any information on these two women. They may be the same person but I am not sure.

Annie Pedlisecki is listed as my grandfather's mother (grandfather was Stephen Genik born in Gilbert Plains in 1901, father Nykola Genik born 1874 in Ukraine, emigrated to Canada in 1897, died Gillbert Plains in 1923). Annie appears on the 1901, 1906 and 1911 census as living with my grandfather and great grandfather. I know that my great grandparents separated in 1911 or so. I know that my great grandmother Annie dies in 1936 in Dauphin and have a copy of her death certificate. I cannot find any information on what happened to her between 1911 and 1936. Can anyone help?

My grandfather's sisters (my great-aunts) have Annie Kosowszyer listed as their mother on their birth certificates but on one of my great aunt's marriage certificate, her mother's name is listed as Annie Pedlisecki. So are they the same person? I also have a death certificate for Annie Kosowszyer in 1915 in Gilbert Plains in MB. My great aunt's names ware Annie Genik Kosowczycz (born 1906) and Angella Dora Kosowczycz (born 1910).

I am also interested to know if either of these women are listed in in Vladimir Kaye's Dictionary of Ukrainian Canadian Biography, Pioneer Settlers of Manitoba. If anyone can look up Nykola Genik (he arrived in Quebec in 1897) and let me know what it says, I would really appreciate. I am in the UK and don't have access to the book.

Thanks

Re: Looking for info on Annie Pedlisecki (Genik) and Annie Kosowszyer/Kosowczycz (Gilbert Plains MB)

Posted: 10 Oct 2013 4:33AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi, Is it possible that your Ggrandfather -Nykola GENKI -was married twice ?
or that your Ggrandmother Annie - had been married before,
Your Grandfather is Stephen GENKI - born 1901

Your message above, shows great aunts were Annie Genik Kosowczycz (born 1906)
Angella Dora Kosowczycz (born 1910).
WHY - do they not have the GENKI surname ?
Perhaps the Mother Annie married again.
The registration shows Angela Dora with the GENIK surname.

You have the Death Certificate for Annie Kosowszyer in 1915 GILBERT PLAINS. what age.
Is this just the Basic Certificate - which is an extract of Basic information taken from the FULL REGISTRATION of DEATH
Which will show all personal information as required at the time - and known to the informant.

NAME: GENIK: NYKOLA
DATE OF DEATH: 24/10/1923
AGE: 55 UNITS OF AGE: YEARS SEX: MALE
PLACE OF DEATH: DAUPHIN
REGISTRATION NUMBER: 1923,040204 REGISTRATION DATE:

NAME: KOSOWCZYCZ: ANNIE
DATE OF DEATH: 17/04/1915
AGE: 43 UNITS OF AGE: YEARS SEX: FEMALE
PLACE OF DEATH: RM GILBERT PLAINS
REGISTRATION NUMBER: 1915,164233 REGISTRATION DATE

NAME: GENIK: STEPHAN
DATE OF BIRTH: 25/07/1901
PLACE OF BIRTH: GILBERT PLAINS SEX: MALE
REGISTRATION NUMBER: 1901,001155 REGISTRATION DATE
MOTHER: Anna PEDLISECKI

NAME: GENIK: HELENA
DATE OF BIRTH: 04/04/1904
PLACE OF BIRTH: R.M. OF GILBERT PLAINS SEX: FEMALE
REGISTRATION NUMBER: 1904,003549 REGISTRATION DATE:
MOTHER: Annie PEDLESCKI

NAME: GENIK : ROSSY
DATE OF BIRTH: 03/06/1909
PLACE OF BIRTH: GILBERT PLAINS SEX: FEMALE
REGISTRATION NUMBER: 1909,001171 REGISTRATION DATE:
MOTHER : Annie PODLISESKI

NAME: KOSOWSZYER: ANNIE GENIK
DATE OF BIRTH: 25/10/1906
PLACE OF BIRTH: GILBERT PLAINS SEX: FEMALE
REGISTRATION NUMBER: 1906,008490 REGISTRATION DATE:
MOTHER: Annie KOSOWSZYCR

NAME: GENIK: ANGELLA DORA
DATE OF BIRTH: 31/10/1910
PLACE OF BIRTH: GILBERT PLAINS SEX: FEMALE
REGISTRATION NUMBER: 1911,014242 REGISTRATION DATE
MOTHER: Anna KOSOWCZYCZ



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Re: Looking for info on Annie Pedlisecki (Genik) and Annie Kosowszyer/Kosowczycz (Gilbert Plains MB)

Posted: 10 Oct 2013 7:36AM GMT
Classification: Query
I have the full birth and death certificates for all of the above (and marriage certificate for my great aunt and grandfather).

My great grandmother may have been married before and she may have married someone different but Nykola Genik was the father of my grandfather and 2 great aunts as he is listed on the birth certificates.

The mystery continues...

Re: Looking for info on Annie Pedlisecki (Genik) and Annie Kosowszyer/Kosowczycz (Gilbert Plains MB)

Posted: 10 Oct 2013 6:39PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: PEDISECKI, KOSOWSZYER /KOSOWCZYCZ
Hi, You have Long Form Death and Birth Certificates ?- for the persons mentioned in your subject line
Annie PEDISECKI GENKI - Annie KOSOWSZYER / KOSOWCZYCZ
They should show - dates of birth - Place of birth -names of parents -are they the same for both Annies ?
Do the ladies appear - in any census prior to the marriage/ birth of children?

Re: Looking for info on Annie Pedlisecki (Genik) and Annie Kosowszyer/Kosowczycz (Gilbert Plains MB)

Posted: 11 Oct 2013 6:42PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi,

The mystery does continue. I've been trying to find information for you and think I'm even more confused.

I did find what appears to be probate information for the Annie Kosowczycz who died in Dauphin in 1936. Maybe you can find more information from that record.

http://www.gov.mb.ca/chc/archives/probate/1918-1984/dauphinK...
Kosowczycz, Annie 2049 Grant of Probate Book 15 193

I think the 1916 and 1921 Census records for Nykola Genik add to the mystery. There is a marriage that you mentioned in a different posting.

GROOM'S LAST NAME: GENIK
GROOM'S GIVEN NAMES: NYKOLA
BRIDE'S LAST NAME: PEDLISECKY
BRIDE'S GIVEN NAMES: ROZI DATE OF MARRIAGE: 28/02/1911
PLACE OF MARRIAGE: GILBERT PLAINS
REGISTRATION NUMBER: 1911,005782
REGISTRATION DATE:

Is this the wife of the Iwan Podliaseckij (John Pidlasecky/Pedlisecky) who homesteaded the SE section of the same land where Nykol Genik homesteaded the SW section?

On the 1916 Census two of Nykol and Annie's children, Stephen and Anna, are noted with Nykol. I haven't found Dora in 1916. Rosalia age 38 was enumerated with Nykol and the two children. Rosalia Pidlasecky noted as widow and children were enumerated just below Nykol.

On the 1921 Census again Nykol and Rosa are enumerated with a number of children including Stephen, Annie and Dora from his 'marriage' to Annie. Rosa Pidlasecky is enumerated as widow with some of the same children as noted with her from 1916. If you compare the children noted with Rosa Pidlasecky in 1916 with the children noted with Nykol and Rosa in 1921 I think they may be the same children. If you check some of these last children on the Manitoba Vital Stats they appear to be Genik not Pidlasecky.

I think this may just add to the mystery that you are trying to unravel. Sorry I don't have access to the book you mentioned.

I tried to attach the 1916 and 1921 Census pages but the message would not process. I will contact you through your Ancestry Profile.

Re: Looking for info on Annie Pedlisecki (Genik) and Annie Kosowszyer/Kosowczycz (Gilbert Plains MB)

Posted: 11 Oct 2013 8:32PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi

Don't worry about the census records for 1916 and 1921 - I already have them!

The Rozi/Rosa you mention did indeed marry my great-grandfather after her husband John/Iwan died. They did live on adjoining farms. I have the original deeds from my great grandfather's homestead. My understanding is that Nykola and Rozi kept the two farms - Rozi's children from her first marriage to John lived on one farm (they were older and did not approve of the marriage allegedly). Nykola's and Rozi's children lived on Nykola's farm with my grandfather and great aunts. They had a further eight children - something that took me by surprise as no one in my family knew anything about the marriage or the 8 children. Rozi is definitely reported twice in 1916 and 1921 (as is my grandfather in the 1921 census- he was actually living in Dauphin).

I have always wondered whether Annie P. was related to John/Iwan P - same last name and not that common from what I can see. This is why I am so interested in getting my hands on Kaye's book!

I will look into the probate information you sent me on Kosowczycz, Annie - my great grandmother died in 1936 and Manitoba Vital Statistics has her death listed as Annie Genik (she is listed as a the widow of Nykola Genik). Although there is a record in 1915 of the death of Annie Kosowczycz - right age, but can't be the same person as Annie P!

patti

Re: Looking for info on Annie Pedlisecki etc Dictionary of Ukrainian Canadian Bio of Pioneer Settlers of Manitoba

Posted: 11 Oct 2013 8:59PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 11 Oct 2013 9:00PM GMT
Hi The following is an old site - Volunteers e mail address may still be active
http://communities.ukrainiangenealogygroup-pei.org/

Dictionary of Ukrainian Canadian Biography of Pioneer Settlers of Manitoba 1891 -1900,.by Dr. V.J. Kaye
Bill Watamaniuk bimiwat@otvcablelan.net
Rita Chernoff s.r.chernoff@sk.sympatico.ca
Probably Any Public Library - in Manitoba may have at least one copy of the book
Provincial Archive of Manitoba may possibly hold a copy of the book
Genealogical Societies - etc

The women may not be listed individually in the index - but included with the Husband.

Cheers, Stella

Re: Looking for info on Annie Pedlisecki etc Dictionary of Ukrainian Canadian Bio of Pioneer Settlers of Manitoba

Posted: 11 Oct 2013 9:13PM GMT
Classification: Query
Thanks Stella!

The email addresses above just bounce back - I think they are out of date!

I live in the UK so it doesn't do me much good however I will be in Ontario next week and hopefully will get to Toronto - the reference library apparently has 2 copies - I just don't want to wait..

If the women came on their own (i.e. weren't married), would they be listed?

patti

Re: Looking for info on Annie Pedlisecki (Genik) and Annie Kosowszyer/Kosowczycz (Gilbert Plains MB)

Posted: 25 Jun 2015 11:08PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Genik Pedlisecki Kosowszyer Kosoczycz
This reply is overdue but I wanted to let you know that your information about the probate paid huge dividends for me!

The will of Annie Kosowszyer stated that she was also known as Annie Genik. The executor of the will was my grandfather and the will also stated that my great aunts were her children.

I found an entry on The Ship's List (the Arcadia) for Annie Kosowszyer and her two children. She was on the same ship as Nykola Genik and Rozi and John Pedlisesski (and their children).

I found a death certificate for the younger of the two children shortly after they arrived in Manitoba (early 1898). The place of death for the child is Rozi and John Pedlisesski's farm. I believe the older child died on the ship - or maybe shortly after - he seems to have disappeared.

So I believe that Annie came to Manitoba with her 2 children and lived with her relatives (John may have been a brother or cousin as her maiden name was the same as his). It is possible that her husband came to Manitoba before she did but I can find no death record for him in Manitoba. So it is also possible that she was a widow when she left the Ukraine. Once her children from the unknown Kosowszyer marriage had died, she moved to Nykola Genik's house (she is listed as his boarder in the 1901 census).

So there are two things I would still like to know but likely will never know - was she related to John Pedlisesski and how. And what happened to her first husband?

Lastly - I can't find her in the 1921 census. I assumed she was living in Dauphin but she is not showing up anywhere. Any suggestions?
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