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Victoria Robinson

Victoria Robinson

Posted: 7 Jan 2015 10:54PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Robinson
Hello, I'm currently seeking information on a Victoria Robinson who is my 4x great-grandmother. I don't have much information I can provide other than she was the wife of Augustin Fournier (son of Jacques Fournier & Adelaide Quesnel?) who died in 1866 in Saint-Eugène, Prescott and Russell. They had a son, also named Augustin, who married Exilda Potvin, daughter of Pierre Potvin & Apolone (Pauline) Plouffe, on Sept 24 1879 in Orleans, Ontario. Augustin died in 1925 in Ottawa and in his death record Victoria is listed as "Zoe Robinson." I'm unsure of where or when she was born or died but I assume she was probably born anywhere between 1815 and 1825.

I have seen some claims that she is the daughter of James Robinson (Jacques Robertson) & Marie Trottier but I don't believe this to be true as I'm not aware of the family having a third daughter. Any kind of information you have on her is much appreciated.

- Lilly

Re: Victoria Robinson

Posted: 9 Jan 2015 6:19PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi, I took a look and saw the death for Augustin in 1925 - and his marriage but that's about it.

Do you have anything more on them - census? Do you have the birth record for the son Augustin in Quebec? I have not found it - nor have I found him with his parents in earlier census before his marriage - do you have that?

Anything you have may help in finding more on Victoria.

Re: Victoria Robinson

Posted: 9 Jan 2015 8:04PM GMT
Classification: Query
Unfortunately I've been unable to find any census data on any of these individuals, nor have I been able to find Augustin's birth record. However his death record states he was born in Lepêche, Quebec, probably in 1847.

Re: Victoria Robinson

Posted: 9 Jan 2015 10:52PM GMT
Classification: Query
Augustin was born Jan 4 1819 and baptized Jan 9 1819 at Ste. Madeleine de Rigaud.
You can find the birth record for Augustin here,
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-27996-22759-79...
Hope this helps.

Re: Victoria Robinson

Posted: 9 Jan 2015 11:17PM GMT
Classification: Query
Its odd - they should be in all census from 1851 up to 1921 as Augustin died 1925.

Since Victoria was your 4Xgr-grandmother,can you give the line down from her son
Augustin - his children's names etc. I'll then see if I can find them in the census.

Do you know when they went to ON - I found marriage for Augustin and Exilda in 1879 ON but I see it says he was born Lower Canada and his residence when married was also Lower Canada
Exilda shown born Cumberland, residence when married Cumberland.

Do you know where their children were born - Quebec or ON ?

I had ancestors who also lived in the Ottawa area - some were born there and some apparently were born in Quebec across the river - I wonder if it could be the same with your Fournier family.

Also I noticed in Augustin's death record that his son Alfred Fournier was listed as the informant and his address shown as 20 Ethel St. Eastview
burial for Augustin show as Notre Dame cemetery
it does say he was a residence of ON for 48 years which puts it at about 1877 if correct - and that does not agree with 1879 marriage saying he resides in Lower Canada ?
But then Alfred may not have known exactly how long his Dad had been in ON.

Exilda Fournier died May 16, 1914 Carleton - father named as Alfred Potvin, name of mother not shown, the informant at her death was Pierre Fournier, 55 Ethel St. Eastview

so was Pierre another son? it doesn't give a relationship
Also, I was wondering if you know if Fournier might have a "dit" name also - sometimes seen in Quebec records where a family may be listed as St. George dit LaPorte for instane which I have seen many times and later on the family may have gone by either the St. George or the LaPorte


If so, this can sometimes make it hard to find a family

Re: Victoria Robinson

Posted: 10 Jan 2015 6:56AM GMT
Classification: Query
There's a lot of men named "Augustin Fournier" in various censuses but I haven't been able to find my 4x-great-grandfather and his family in any of them. But maybe I missed something along the way? I'm not sure when they relocated but Augustin and Exilda had several children and it appears they were all born and (possibly) died in Ontario. Here's what I know of the family:

- Mary Fournier: Born Jun 12 1880 in Carlsbad Springs (now in Cumberland), married Oscar Gravel on Jun 02, 1902 in Sarsfield, Ontario. Died on Dec 08, 1932 in Orleans.

- Zoe Fournier: Born about 1881-1882, married Cyprien Cleroux on Oct 21, 1902. Zoe died from an illness on Nov 9, 1940 in Eastview (now Vanier). I saw someone post her DOB as Jan 15, 1882 but although I feel like I found something at some point that confirms this, I can't find anything in my records that states this.

- Augustus Fournier: Born about 1887 in Vars, Ontario. Died on Jan 6, 1919 from pneumonia in Eastview and is buried in Notre Dame Cemetery. The record states he was married but I do not have a spouse for him.

- Joseph Alfred Fournier: Born Apr 12, 1896 in Gloucester, Ontario. He may have been the informant on Augustin's death record.

- Rose Fournier: Born Jul 17 1898 in Carleton County. She married Joseph Alfred Normand in Ottawa on Jun 5, 1923. I do not have a death record for her but I found a headstone with her and her husband's name on it and it lists her death year as 1982.

- Leda Fournier: Married Emile Langevin in Orleans, Ontario on Oct 8, 1900.

- Sarah Fournier: Married Armand Brunet in Ottawa on May 26, 1913. I can't find birth or death records for her or Leda.

There is a Pierre Fournier but I do not have any information on him other than he was living in Red Deer, Ontario. Alfred was also living in Red Deer while the sisters were living in Eastview. I have Zoe's obituary which lists this information. She is my great-great grandmother.

I'm not aware of the the Fourniers having a "dit" name but the Potvins used "D'Amour" for theirs. I was unable to find the same death record as you but I know for sure her father's name was not Alfred (it is Pierre unless Alfred was a middle name). She did however have a brother and a son under that name.

Re: Victoria Robinson

Posted: 10 Jan 2015 6:57AM GMT
Classification: Query
I have this record already. We're looking for his son's who shares the same name as him. Thanks though!

Re: Victoria Robinson

Posted: 11 Jan 2015 4:56PM GMT
Classification: Query
I will put my 2cents for what it is worth.

You say "Leda Fournier married Emile Langevin in 1900."
If you look at 1901 Census, Emile is living with the family of Eustache et Mary Fournier, his father-in-law in the Township of Cumberland (inc. Vars, Orleans, etc), Ontario . Emile's wife is probably Ida (on census) ?

I had found earlier a 1852 census record that might have been your family but it was a little off. My premise for search at that point was that "Augustin Fournier" was born in La Peche, which was in 1852 a part of the Township of Masham, Quebec.
I found this transcription in Automated Genealogy:
1852 / Canada East / Ottawa (county) / 271 Masham township / p. 9d, 10a, (19)

Furnea, Ustac Farmer F Roman Catholic 32 M
Furnea, Marey Farmer F Roman Catholic 35 F
Furnea, Ustac Labourer F Roman Catholic 7 M


In Archives Canada: 1851
Surname: Furned
Given Name(s): Eustach
Age: 32
Province: Canada East (Quebec)
District Name: Ottawa (county)
Sub-District Name: Masham


Because of your lead on Emile Langevin and my search of the 1852 Census, is there a possibility that Augustin Jr. and Eustache Jr. are the same person? Father and son, same name, and about right age?

Also there is many Robinson in Cumberland,Ontario (census 1891, 1901 that I saw), especially a family of Joseph (64 ) and mother widow (80) named Oclalize in 1891 Census? Could it be your Victoria's mother?

These families were living in the same general area of the Outaouais River.: Masham (Quebec) and Cumberland (Canada East and then Ontario) . The problem is that the Provinces boaders and the Church Dioceses boarders changed many times during those times (1830+).
Someone with access to Church Records may help. This search should include theDiocese of Ottawa but also the Diocese of Montreal, since before 1850 missonaries were sent also from Montreal to cover this part of the country.


If you think my suggestions are completely irrelevant, I will be OK to delete my message(just send me a private e-mail). I don't want more confusion!

Ginette

Re: Victoria Robinson

Posted: 30 Mar 2015 9:00AM GMT
Classification: Query
Augustin Fournier was born in Hawkesbury and was baptized in St-André d'Argenteuil where all those Robertson and Robinson come from. I strongly suspect that Victoire is not her real name. Her link to that family is not clear because of that but she appears as godmother to a couple of her nephews/nieces. I suspect her real name is either Marguerite or Louise. Her parents are James Robinson aka Jacque Robertson and Marie Trottier. I don't know where they came from though.
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Re: Victoria Robinson

Posted: 31 Mar 2015 1:46AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 31 Mar 2015 2:26AM GMT
Thank you so much! I suspect that could be the case. I received a message from my great aunt last month that seemed to hint we are in fact descendants of Robertson/Robinson and Trottier. I'll ask her if she knows anything more.
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