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Badell-Badal family

summer331 — 2013-05-07 01:36:54Z

i'm looking for anyone who might know the names michael bacusa badell, nick badell, johanna badell or rebecca joseph. all of these people were born in persia/iran. does anyone know what the american version of any of these names would be or vice versa? most of these people seem to have setteled in chicago or san francisco. any help-talk-suggestions would be great. i'm at a standstill!

Iranian Records

RonaldDale100 — 2013-04-16 00:31:51Z

Does anyone know if there are 19th century and 20th century birth records for Iran?

I would like to the research a branch of the Peyda family.

Thanks,

Ron

Re: Etessam family Tehran, Iran

grannytenderstone — 2013-03-24 02:48:43Z

I hae known your brother Cyrus in Atlanta for more than 20 years, know where he lives, but am out of touch with him. I live about 80 miles away. I don't know about your ancestry except for what Cyrus himself had told me long ago. I wish you much success!!

Kathryn R. Titus aka Granny Ermengarde Tenderstone
"a heart of stone, but a tender stone"

habibeh fors iran

ka_1_2 — 2013-03-19 22:26:25Z

I am looking for my mom' parents who lived in Iran.
I am new in genealogy. I am interested and try to find ancestry in Iran. My mom is born in Shiraz Iran. She born
9 September 1921. Her mother'name is Esmat Khazaie and her
her dad'name is Najaf fors.

Tracing a relative born in Jofra/Julfa Persia

Margholwill1 — 2013-03-15 19:37:29Z

I am trying to trace the birth and parents of my husband's Grandmother: Sarah Stella Gregory was born on the 19/12/1903 in eitherJofra or Julfa Persia. She married Reginald Holwill apprx. 1920-1922, they moved to Calcutta India where their two children were born. They left Calcutta and arrived in London UK on 03/02/1933.
She died in Thurrock Essex England .1979

Can anyone help?

Mehdi Rezvani (Tehran)

acastano6 — 2013-03-13 22:20:44Z

I'm looking for any information on my father Seid Mehdi F. Rezvani from Tehran,Iran or any information on his family. His father - Buick Rezvani from Iran. Mother - name unknown -from Turkey.

Re: Tracing Ancestors in Tabriz, Persia -- JACOB

falsterden — 2013-03-04 21:54:50Z

Thanks for the helps.

Re: Tracing Ancestors in Tabriz, Persia -- JACOB

falsterden — 2013-03-04 18:50:46Z

Click here to read more about what a transcription is.
LINK:
http://genealogy.about.com/od/basics/a/abstracting.htm

I think it is very exciting that you found that passenger manifest.

Re: Tracing Ancestors in Tabriz, Persia -- JACOB

Tonal007 — 2013-03-04 17:16:28Z

I guess I thought it would just be easier for you to view the Manifest from the Ellis Island site rather than me not writing the transcript correctly.
I can get to both of the Manifests by typing
PETROS AKOPA arriving in 1911 and J JACOOB arriving 1899. (You will note that the Jacob is with two "O's".) Maybe that will help you.

I'm sorry that I have misunderstood your position to help me. I mean, I did, but you asked for the Transcript and I tried. Thanks.

Re: Marahuma

Tonal007 — 2013-03-04 05:36:43Z

Well, I'm wondering about that, because he had these in his possession and I don't know if these were duplicates? Hope you can find out more about all of this.

(I don't have anything of this kind for my father-in-law when he came over from Germany, or my grandparents when they came from Italy.)

Re: Marahuma

MaryAllisonYonan — 2013-03-04 04:26:19Z

Thank you very much. These documents are most interesting. I wish we had similar documents for my father-in-law. We've been to Ellis Island and found the ship's manifest with his name and date of arrival in New York. It would be very valuable to have the type of document that you have from Libau to confirm my father-in-law's date of departure from Libau. Since only one document is in Russian and two of the documents are in English, my guess is that American authorities were in Libau and created the ones in
English before the ship's departure. I wonder if documents of this type are in an archives someplace here in the USA. Thanks again.

Origins of Persian names

Tonal007 — 2013-03-04 01:20:47Z

Does anyone know where the origins of the name Bauaija come from? It is my Grandfather's relative's name and they lived in Urmia, Persia.

I'm wondering if Urmia is a town of itself or a region of Persia (Iran)?

Also, the name Mariam/Marion Marahuma, . . .and its meaning?

Also, were vital records kept in Tabriz and Urmia?

Re: Marahuma

Tonal007 — 2013-03-03 22:28:38Z

Oh, my goodness, I didn't realize it has been this long before discovering you had requested some info!!! I do apologize and will try to answer now.
I'm sending you a copy of the documents and you can inspect them for any clues.

Re: Marahuma

Tonal007 — 2013-03-03 22:20:33Z

Re: Tracing Ancestors in Tabriz, Persia -- JACOB

Tonal007 — 2013-03-03 20:36:52Z

My father was known to me as Peter Jacob. On his papers he wrote his name as Petros Akopa. On the Ship Manifest he lists that he is going to see his brother, J Jacoob,in Chicago and that a family name where he lived is Bauaija Akopa who lives in Urmia, Persia.

I don't know what J stands for (although, when I type it in on Ellis Island site, up comes Jacob Jacoob, and that is what the last Ship Manifest is for to show some info on this J Jacoob) and so I'm just guessing.

Bauaija Akopa is his relative living in Urmia, Persia. I don't know who this would be, . . maybe his Father or sister, or grandmother, or aunt. The name ends in an "a" so that would be for a woman, I'm guessing.

In any case, the Ellis Island transcript doesn't even give this info, but I have attached what appears as a Transcript. I've given you the Manifest , page 1 and 2 with enlargements of the sections I mention above. So I'm not sure where to go from here. I didn't even know that he had a brother! I really can't seem to post this Transcript list. Sorry.

Re: Tracing Ancestors in Tabriz, Persia -- JACOB

falsterden — 2013-03-03 16:02:25Z

Would you post a transcription please?

Thank you!

Re: Tracing Ancestors in Tabriz, Persia -- JACOB

Tonal007 — 2013-03-03 05:59:30Z

Here is the Manifest:

Re: Hasnell Dania

BarbaraCollins54 — 2013-02-18 02:51:24Z

Yes, that's about the right year of birth - according to the 1920 census, he arrived in this country in 1913, and was living in Chicago, but I've been unable to find his immigration record or what port he came through. I know that he came to the USA with cousins. Are you by any chance related? He was my grandfather.

Re: Tracing Ancestors in Tabriz, Persia -- JACOB

falsterden — 2013-02-15 13:50:13Z

Well yes, I think you're right that all immigrants who entered USA via New York went through Ellis Island (during the years Ellis Island was open).

It is wonderful that you have the documents you posted! Thanks for sharing them. Here are:

1. doctor exam papers? 2. another health document 3. naturalization card from many years later in the USA

I don't see the passenger manifest of the ship however. It is a list of passengers who are getting off the ship in New York. Ancestry.com website (pay site) has a digital collection of the Ellis Island passenger manifests, and so does the Ellis Island website (free).

Have you ever tried searching for your grandfather's Ellis Island record - the ship passenger manifest, showing he was on that ship when it arrive in New York?

I have many times been unable to find something that another person later finds. You very well may have better luck than me, if you try there.

Sometimes the passenger manifest tells who the passenger is going to join in the USA. It's possible the passenger manifest might tell that and/or other useful clues. No guarantees.

The doctor's report seems to be made at the start of the voyage, from what you said before. Ellis Island also had a medical examination at the end of the voyage, that passengers must pass in order to enter the country. If ill, a passenger stayed on the island in quarantine until recovered, so that no communicable diseases were brought into New York by sick passengers.

I suppose it would be useful to examine a passenger at the start of the journey - so that the boat captain would not be charged with the care of someone not allowed into the USA at all (for health reasons).

Also, read about naturalization papers. I think you might find another (although perhaps no additional information, I don't know). Should be at least two for every immigrant: declaration of intent to become naturalized, and final naturalization. You have posted the latter.

Petros /Peter seems to have surname spelled without the J in the papers you posted ... do I see that right? I did not search at all without the J. So there's an example of a clue that comes forward when we look closely at the actual documents.

Thanks again for all this.

Happy Valentine's Day (belated) to you too!

Re: Tracing Ancestors in Tabriz, Persia -- JACOB

falsterden — 2013-02-15 13:25:37Z

FYI I have now searched Ellis Island site, looking for the immigration record for your ancestor. I believe you said he arrived Ellis Island? You should know that a volunteer helper (in this case, me) can NOT find the record.

Sometimes it can happen that when another person examines a record, some new clue is found. That is why I tried. I don't think that will happen this time - but one never knows.

Would you mind posting a transcription of that record?

Re: Tracing Ancestors in Tabriz, Persia -- JACOB

Tonal007 — 2013-02-15 05:37:23Z

On second thought, perhaps Peter did not go through Ellis Island. Attached are some papers that mention a doctor's report.

Well then again his boat arrived March 15, 1911 in New York. So, I guess all the boats' immigrants had to go through Ellis Island, right?

Oh, by the way, Happy Valentine's Day!

Re: Tracing Ancestors in Tabriz, Persia -- JACOB

Tonal007 — 2013-02-15 05:36:09Z

Hello,

The Peter in your report does not appear to be my Grandfather. I'm not sure what you have been looking at when you found the info that you did? I thought that if I were to find his original birth certificate, then I would be able to possibly find out his mother's name and father's name. Below is the info I have:

Petros Jacopa (Akopa), was born on May 15, 1891, in Tabriz, Persia. He spoke Assyrian. His father died when he was very young and no one knows what his name was for sure. His mother, Miriam, married a second time to an elderly man, who was probably a farmer. He had other children, and treated Peter like a farmhand. He lived with his step-family until, most likely, age 18 yrs., when he moved to Russia. He lived in a town called Urmie for about one or two years. I was told that his mother eventually died in an earthquake. (Have no idea which one, and where, except that I assume it was there somewhere in Persia (Iran.)

He immigrated to America on February 4, 1911, departing from the Port of Libau, Russia on a ship called the "Birma". The ship was part of the Russian East-Asiatic Steamship Co. Ltd. - - The Russian-AmericaLine. The ship's list, or Manifest, was 18, the number on the ship's list or manifest was 28. The date of the ship's departure is listed asFebruary 21, 1911, as reported at the U.S. Public Health and Marine Hospital Service Medical Department Ellis Island, N. Y., March 13, 1911.Thus the trip took about 20 days.

On a document in Libau, Russia, it stated that Peter was examined on February 13, 1911, at age 22 yrs., by Dr. C. M. DeForest, P.H. & M.H.Serv. USA Act. Asst. Surg. Peter was found to not have any quarantinable diseases.

Peter became a Naturalized U.S. Citizen on January 13, 1928.
The document was signed by Charles M.Bates, Clerk, Dist. Court of the U.S.
Northern Dist. of Illinois; Petition, Volume 278, Number 44924, #2720985Certificate of Naturalization.

Peter died on January 21, 1940 in Chicago, IL.

Re: Tracing Ancestors in Tabriz, Persia -- JACOB

Tonal007 — 2013-02-14 18:50:18Z

I do have his mother's name and found it out from the beginning, but, at some point I found that her name on the Social Security Death info, was MIRIAM MARAHUMA. (Don't know if this is her maiden name, or, her 2nd husband's last name?)

Re: Tracing Ancestors in Tabriz, Persia -- JACOB

Tonal007 — 2013-02-14 18:43:05Z

Thank you for your interest in trying to help me. It did take me a while to get the info I already have, and sadly, I really don't think I will have much luck in finding out the rest without full names and some kind of date.

I may be able to if I were to find an original birth record of my grandfather on which his parents names might be recorded. I don't write in Farsi and really don't know what kind of system they have in Tabriz where I may write or inquire. I won't give up, though. None of his parents' names where listed on Immigration papers, or Natralization papers. So, I will post on some different forums about how I should proceed. Again, thank you. Toni

Re: Tracing Ancestors in Tabriz, Persia -- JACOB

falsterden — 2013-02-14 16:15:01Z

> "I'm not sure what you have been looking at when you found the info that you did?" <

That is a 1940 census record. That Peter fits the description you gave - you gave no date of birth. Clearly now that you have added information, we can see he's not your Peter.

My thought was to help you begin in the USA to find Peter and trace him back in time. But you have already done that - as we can now see. Bravo! Sadly, I cannot help with the rest of the task, to look up the birth record. I hope you can find that.

Re: Tracing Ancestors in Tabriz, Persia -- JACOB

falsterden — 2013-02-14 07:12:28Z

Need to start in the USA and trace back from there. What is Peter Jacob date of birth, year of immigration, location in USA, etc?

Is this your Peter?

1940
New Britain, Hartford, Connecticut
Alveraham Sacoc 48 b 1892 Persia
Peter Jacob 52 b 1888 Persia; residence in 1935 Chicago
John Asac 50 b 1890 Persia

Re: Hasnell Dania

falsterden — 2013-02-14 07:00:44Z

Hi, your Hasnell Dania was born about 1896?

Michael Smith, born in Urmia, Iran

chorn50 — 2013-02-02 01:21:49Z

I've been trying to find my grand-uncle Michael Smith who was born in Persia. According to his death certificate from Michigan, he had been born in 1891 in Urmia, Iran.

I've not found him in the Ellis Island database nor any passenger arrival records on Ancestry.com.

I'd welcome any suggestions as to how I might be able to find any records on his birth or immigration.

Re: Surnames

MaryAllisonYonan — 2012-07-10 23:47:48Z

You're welcome. I just read in a genealogy newsletter that family search.org has added new Italian records to its website. I'll paste below what the newsletter says.

Mary

"Since partnering with the National Archives of Italy to digitally preserve and index its civil registration, more than 24 million images have been published and 4 million names have been made searchable on FamilySearch.org "

Collections

Italy, Catania, Catania,
Civil Registration (Comune),
1820-1905

Italy, Catania, Diocesi di Acireale,
Catholic Church Records, 1560-1941

Italy, Toscana, Civil Registration
(State Archive), 1808-1923

Re: Surnames

ToniRubino94 — 2012-07-09 12:33:44Z

Thank you so much for all your good information. Toni Rubino

Re: Surnames

MaryAllisonYonan — 2012-07-09 04:33:31Z

Ellis Island was open from 1892 to 1954 and was one of the main immigration entry ports in the US during those years. If you think he arrived at Ellis Island during those years, you can search for his name at
http://www.ellisisland.org/search/passSearch.asp

I entered Rubani as the surname and 1866 as the date of birth and got no results. Then I entered Rubino as the surname and 1866 as the date of birth and 25 names came up. When you do the same search, you can see if any of the immigrants are your grandfather.
The results give the Name of Passenger, Former Residence, Year Arrived and Age on Arrival. You can also click on links to view the Passenger's Record, the Ship Manifest, and the Ship's Image.

Since Rubani generated no immigration records, perhaps his surname was misspelled on his birth record. That happens on US records and it is a possibility that the same is true about Italian records. If you decide to hire someone to search Italian birth records, be sure to tell them to search for various possible spellings of the surname.

Good luck,
Mary

Re: Surnames

ToniRubino94 — 2012-07-08 14:40:35Z

Hello thank you for getting back to me. I have my grand fathers birth certificate from italy 1866. His last name is spelled Rubani. His Naturalization papers are Rubino. Unfortunatly I can find no records of him entering the country.Would my next step be to hire an expert to go examine church records to see how long his family was in the area. Or possibly Would there be any books avalible in regards to name conversions? I would value any leads you might be able to offer. Much Thanks Toni

Re: Surnames

MaryAllisonYonan — 2012-07-08 01:57:38Z

Have you found their surname as it was spelled on the passenger list of the ship on which they arrived in the USA? If your grandfather was naturalized, have you found his naturalization application? One of those documents may show that the original Italian spelling was different from the spelling of Rubani.

Surnames

ToniRubino94 — 2012-07-05 16:42:03Z

Hello I recently received my Dna results. I have discovered that I am 20% Persian(Turkish,Armenian,Georgian ) My GrandFather and Grand mother are from Italy. I could not find the Surname Rubani with any real frequency in Italy. could this possibly be a Turkish last name. How could I go about researching this. Thank You for your time

Looking for Mohammad Kazem Karimisaleh

AmenehK — 2012-07-02 23:12:05Z

Looking for lost relative, Mohammad Kazem Karimisaleh. I believe he was born in 1953 in Shiraz, Iran. Please contact me if you have any information.

Re: Ushrutt Hassaini

avaneeden — 2012-05-17 20:40:16Z

Hi, I am from South Africa and also researching Lt Col John & Ms (Princess) Ushrut Sutherland. I have reason (/just an idea) that we could possibly be descendants of their son Eric who lived in Knysna and eventually was buried in Uniondale, South Africa. I am still trying to fit all the pieces of the puzzle together since everyone who knew the history has passed on but I's sure I will succeed! Good luck with your research, kind regards, Alettie

Re: Ushrutt Hassaini

phoebewakefield — 2012-05-01 22:20:53Z

Celia Wakefield was my dad's grandmother! Colonel John Sutherland is my great, great, great, great grandmother. We have many of her paintings too! We live in Wimbledon, London!
Thank you for Replying
Phoebe W

Re: Ushrutt Hassaini

DianaGordonBurke — 2012-04-30 09:20:10Z

Hi Phoebe

You must be from Celia Wakefield's family? I have two of her paintings, and enjoyed meeting her several times. Where do you live? I live in Spain. My great-great-great grandfather was John Sutherland.

Thanks for getting in touch.

Best wishes
Diana

Re: Ushrutt Hassaini

phoebewakefield — 2012-04-29 13:42:08Z

Hello,
John Sutherland is my great, great, great, great grandfather, so we are related!

Hasnell Dania

BarbaraCollins54 — 2012-04-27 05:07:46Z

Looking for Hasnel (or Hasnell) Dania (or Danea). Arrived from Persia in 1913 and settled in Chicago IL

Re: Persian Ancestry

seanosmani — 2012-03-13 02:42:40Z

Osaj is an Albanian last name. Thousands of years ago Persians did settle around Mediterranean and the black sea, but you cannot call all people from Albanian, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria, etc. Persians.

Re: Marahuma

MaryAllisonYonan — 2012-03-04 00:47:52Z

Does your Libau document give the name of any department or office. etc. that produced it? Is it in English?
Thanks,
Mary

Re: Marahuma

Tonal007 — 2012-03-03 21:47:06Z

Thanks for bringing that mistake to my attention. It was February 4, 1911 in stead of 1922. You know, that is possible for him to have been in Urmia in the Persian Empire for those two years before he went to Russia and then to the Port of Libau.

I received the document from my father who had it along with some other papers that had information about my grandfather, Peter. He arrived on the Birma ship to Ellis Island. I'm really interested in finding out if I can get his birth certificate and the names of his father and mother. (Well, I know her name was Miriam and recently found out that her last name was Marahuma. This could either be her maiden name, or the name of her husband in her second marraige. Her first husband died.

Hope you can find the info you're looking for.

Re: Family Search: Kouloubandi

hainenofdenegor — 2012-03-01 03:02:09Z

My Father's name is Muhammad Ali Kouloubandi. I never met mine, either. He came to the UK to study in Southampton, met my Mother and went back after the revolution due to pressures from his family.

Good luck in your search, friend.

Re: Marahuma

MaryAllisonYonan — 2012-02-26 23:08:05Z

Hi,

You said: "He immigrated to America on February 4, 1922, departing from the Port of Libau, Russia on a ship called the "Birma". The date of the ship's departure is listed as February 21, 1911, as reported at the U.S. Public Health and Marine Hospital Service Medical Department Ellis Island, N. Y. March 13, 1911. Thus the trip took about 20 days."

Did you mean that he immigrated to America on February 4, 1911 INSTEAD OF 1922?

I'm wondering if Peter might have been in Urmia in the Persian Empire (now Iran) for two years before he went to Russia and then to the Port of Libau.

You also said:
"On a document in Libau, Russia, it stated that Peter was examined on February 13, 1911, at age 22 years."

My father-in-law immigrated to America from the Port of Libau, Russia (now Latvia) in 1909. He was also an Assyrian. He was originally from Tkhuma in the Hakkari Mountains in the Ottoman Empire (now southeastern Turkey)and travelled to Urmia in the Persian Empire and then to Russia and emigrated from the Port of Libau in 1909.

How did you find a document in Libau that shows that Peter was examined on Feb. 13, 1911? I would like to know who to contact to find out if there is a document for my father-in-law in Libau. I have a copy of the ship manifest from Ellis Island that shows when my father-in-law left Libau and when he arrived at Ellis Island, but I would be very interested in finding additional documents from Libau.

Thank you for any help you can give me that will help me find Libau records.

Mary Yonan
yonan at fgi.net

Re: Marahuma

Champlain9 — 2012-02-25 13:47:37Z

I think you must tell folk that you have info, but you need to be specific in the info you need. Try the historical societies.

Re: Marahuma

Tonal007 — 2012-02-25 13:36:42Z

Thank you for answering so quickly. Well, yes I do have a lot about my grandfather, Peter. I was hoping to find out more about Miriam and his family. I have done searches on Ancestry, but, I too am unable to find anything out about Miriam. In order to find out more, I guess I would need to write to organizations in Iran. I don't know if Marahuma is her married name from her second husband, or her maiden name? Also, I don't really know my Great Grandfather's first name. I may be unable to really pursue his side of the family. Thanks, anyways.
(You know that even with a tree, one can have difficulties.)

Re: Marahuma

Champlain9 — 2012-02-25 07:57:56Z

I am unable to find your Miriam, and it seems to me you have a lot of information already as you did not say you had a family tree.

Regards

Re: Marahuma

Tonal007 — 2012-02-25 01:03:13Z

Petros Jacopa (Peter Jacob) was born on May15, 1891 (on 1791-1992 U.S. Naturalization Record Indexes his birthday is listed as May 15, 1889). He was born in Taviriz (Tabriz), Persia. He spoke Assyrian. His father died when he was very young and no one knows what his name was for sure. His mother, Miriam (Mirian), married a second time to an elderly man who was probably a farmer. He had other children, and treated Peter like a farmhand. He lived with his step-family until, most likely age 18 years, when he moved to Russia. He lived in a town called Urmie for about one or two years. I have been told that Miriam died in an earthquake in 1925.

He immigrated to America on February 4, 1922, departing from the Port of Libau, Russia on a ship called the "Birma". The date of the ship's departure is listed as February 21, 1911, as reported at the U.S. Public Health and Marine Hospital Service Medical Department Ellis Island, N. Y. March 13, 1911. Thus the trip took about 20 days.

On a document in Libau, Russia, it stated that Peter was examined on February 13, 1911, at age 22 years. He traveled on to Chicago with some friends and became a chef at the American Family Hotel.

So, as I stated, I would love to have any information on my grandfather's family.

Re: looking for hossein poorsina

Champlain9 — 2012-02-22 19:17:00Z

I need dates and towns and countries please?

Regards