Vojvodina - Family History & Genealogy Message Board

Re: bessermany, segedi

grubbsbear_1 — 2013-05-06 17:29:26Z

Hi mark sorry I haven't been on here in a while. Yes I'm still searching. But it's been a while. I think the papuga that I'm researching is an aunt or maybe my great grandmothers sister. What info do you have?

Re: ADVICE - SOHL /MENGEL PLEASE

yugaya — 2013-05-03 14:57:02Z

MENGEL KLARA died in 1913. in Žabalj, she was at the time married to FREIBURGER MARTON and his parish of origin is listed as Žabalj. She is from Vrbas.

You can obtain her official death certificate from either the Roman Catholic Church in Žabalj or the municipal office (civil registrar). That is also where you can obtain information about location where she is buried.

Original church vital records for Žabalj and Vrbas are also available via Kalocsa diocese e-archive. I suggest you register with them if you want to research more on these families.

Birth, marriage and death records are for Žabalj available for the period 1826-1922 and are found under the name of the town in Hungarian language - ZSABLYA.

Birth, marriage and death records for Vrbas are under ÚJVERBÁSZ name and are available for the period 1875-1943.

Website of this e-archive and information about registering:

http://archivum.asztrik.hu/?q=en/oldal/registration

-att: death record for Mengel Klara, Žabalj 1913., (then) Austria-Hungary, (now) Serbia, obtained via Kalocsa diocese e-archive

"Rodoslovlje" Serbian Genealogy Society
www.rodoslovlje.com

Re: Merkl family

yugaya — 2013-04-30 18:59:07Z

There are two listings in the Totenbuch der Donauschwaben - records of the death of PETER MERKL, from Miletić, born in 1912. and missing in 1944.

http://www.totenbuch-donauschwaben.at/de/

If that is the birth year of your Peter Merkl and he is the father of your Josef Merkl, I attached the birth records of the only Peter Merkl born in Miletić in 1912. This original record has information on the parents of Peter Merkl: Michael Merkl and Kata Breitenbach.

Birth, marriage and death records for Miletić of Roman Catholic Church are available online via Kalocsa diocese e-archive and they cover the period 1826-1922. In these records the village is listed under its name in Hungarian language - MILITICS :

http://www.rodoslovlje.com/forum/vojvodina/kalocsa-roman-cat...

Let me know if you need further assistance and if this Peter Merkl born in 1912. is the right person you need as the starting point for your research.

***

"Rodoslovlje" Serbian Genealogy Society
www.rodoslovlje.com

Re: Wechselberger, Flick and Meisner

jwech194 — 2013-04-30 17:06:42Z

Thank you for this information. My family was Roman Catholic. I would just have to ascertain which parish or parishes they may have belonged to.

Re: Vlahović (Ada), Pejčić (Mol/Senta)

yugaya — 2013-04-30 16:50:49Z

more info please so that I can help :)

-birth dates of your ancestors?
-first names?
-if they lived in smaller villages do you know the names of these villages?
-did they emigrate from these towns or migrate to the area and when?

***

"Rodoslovlje" Serbian Genealogy Society
www.rodoslovlje.com

Re: Wechselberger, Flick and Meisner

yugaya — 2013-04-30 16:45:32Z

All original church vital records of all religious communities in Serbia have been in 2012 returned from the state archives to the original authors - central church administrators like dioceses and eparchies. In only a small fraction of cases have these original records been microfilmed and are still available for research in the archives.

I suggest that based on the religion of your ancestors, and the parish they belonged to, you contact the appropriate church authority for a look-up - I helped with several such requests last year to translate the communication and church charges a significantly smaller fee for this service than any agency. In some cases they do not charge a fee at all, but a customary thing is that you leave or direct a small donation to the parish temple of your ancestors.

Parish priest will also be able to help you with getting in touch with the descendants of the same family or community who either live there or have visited.

***

"Rodoslovlje" Serbian Genealogy Society
www.rodoslovlje.com

Re: Plavna

yugaya — 2013-04-30 16:20:54Z

@Jackie:

Please provide more information so that I can assist you more - birth years of your ancestors, the year they emigrated, whether anyone got married in the old country before leaving (if yes, when).

Kalocsa diocese e-archive has full records of the Roman Catholic Church for Plavna parish available online for the period 1826-1922 (birth, marriage and death records). To view and research digital images of the original records you must register with them for a paid service package.

Also available are records for Mladenovo( Bukin), for the same period.

In this archive the parish records are listed under the place-names in Hungarian language:

-Dunabökény (Mladenovo, Bukin)
-Palona (Plavna)

More on this e-archive you can read here:

http://www.rodoslovlje.com/forum/vojvodina/kalocsa-roman-cat...

If you provide more information I will locate at least one of the records for your ancestors from these records and post it here so that you can use it as a starting point - best for that are marriage records, because in them there is information on the parents of bride and groom, their age when they got married and also the name of the parish or village where they were born.

There are several KULUNCSICH births registered in the village of Plavna for the period of 1880-1890 I looked into. In these birth records the parish of origin of the KULUNCSICH father is listed as Karavukovo village ( BÁCSORDAS)

***

"Rodoslovlje" Serbian Genealogy Society
www.rodoslovlje.com

Re: Plavna

yugaya — 2013-04-30 15:08:23Z

@Brenda

-att: original birth and baptism record of your great-grandfather Josephus Vorgich. His father -Marcus Vorgich -was from the nearby village Boćani (Bogyán) and his mother - Catharaina Kaas - was from Apatin ( Apathin).

This record is in Hungarian language, first names are written in Latin language and there are a few German language spellings used when it comes to surnames - without detailed look up I can only confirm original surname spelling for VORGIĆ, and people with that surname are still residing in Plavna village today.

Your VORGIĆ ancestors are ethnic Croats, of the specific regional culture and language group called Šokci:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%A0okci

Apatin records are also available via Kalocsa diocese e-archive, for the period 1826-1922.

***

"Rodoslovlje" Serbian Genealogy Society

Re: Plavna

yugaya — 2013-04-30 15:08:04Z

@Robert

I attached the original birth record of your ancestor Georgius Gottl born in 1876. in Plavna village. According to it his father was born in village of Ratkovo (Parabutsch, Paripas), and his mother in Plavna.

See the message I posted above in this thread about these records that are available to be researched online for Plavna. The same e-archive also has records for Ratkovo, under its name in Hungarian language: Paripás, for the period 1826-1943.

-att: original birth and baptism record of Georgius Gottl, year 1876., Plavna, (now) Serbia, parents Jacobus Gottl and Magdalena.

***

"Rodoslovlje" Serbian Genealogy Society
www.rodoslovlje.com

Re: Lamos Family from Pivnice Yugoslavia

slamosprieur — 2013-04-13 02:02:00Z

Thank you for the information you have sent me. Unfortunately, my last living Lamos uncle has lost contact with relatives in the Old Country. So, I do not have any of the names of the descendants of these two men. Nor can he remember. He is now 84. But, if you find anything further, I would appreciate hearing from you. Thank you so much. Susan Lamos Prieur

Re: Lamos Family from Pivnice Yugoslavia

slamosprieur — 2013-04-13 01:58:11Z

Dear David. Thank you for the information on these Protestant Uhriks. It all sounds very interesting. When you are able, any informtion you can give me would be greatly appreciated. If you are busy with school I understand. Just so you know, I am writing you from Windsor, Ontario Canada. The last of my Lamos uncles was not aware of this information either. As far as you know are you related to my grandmother Pauline Uhrik's family? Her father was Carl and her mother Thereza. The children were Carl Junior, Pauline, Emma, Irene and Tereza. I also know the names of some of the people they married. I also noticed on Google that there is a young D.J. from Star Pazova who is also a Uhrik.

Thank you for your information. Good Luck with your studies.

Susan Lamos Prieur

Re: Lamos Family from Pivnice Yugoslavia

yugaya — 2013-04-12 14:34:59Z

In 1925 there was an Uhrik Petar, craftsman in Stara Pazova.

In 1939 there was an Uhrik Martin merchant who owned a store in Stara Pazova.

Try to get in contact with their descendants so that they help you with local records in the archives and municipal offices in Serbia.

-source of information : Serbian Trade Association "Privrednik" database :

http://baza.privrednik.net/privrednik.php?find=Uhrik&fie...

- about "Privrednik" database and how to use it:
http://www.rodoslovlje.com/documentation/serbian-trade-assoc...

***

"Rodoslovlje" Serbian Genealogy Society
http://www.rodoslovlje.com/

Re: Lamos Family from Pivnice Yugoslavia

asrdce — 2013-04-12 14:06:22Z

Well, I don't know whether there is any kind of information in other languages. I digged in history of our village in archive of the town Vsetin and from book released on universary of our village Hostalkova (Vsetin district).
During 18th century were members of Uhriks family organising protestant (christian) meetings and were involved in invitig foreign prechers. Catholic church was persecuting tham. Several years before Patent of toleration was released, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patent_of_Toleration
some meeting was revealed and 32 people send to exil (possibly romania or hungaria or...) In historical document I found only 12, but it is possible, that more went to exil or some children were not counted. I can write you exact names when returning home.I am now out for my studies (theological - that is why I came across that story).
David Uhrik

EUGEN HUBER

yugaya — 2013-04-09 20:37:34Z

Re look up request for EUGEN HUBER from Novi Sad (NEUSATZ, ÚJVIDÉK)

- attached is his original Roman Catholic Church birth and baptism record for him from Novi Sad parish. He was born on May 27th 1859 to parents Johann Huber and Elisabetha Riesz.

-digital image obtained via Kalocsa diocese e-archive about which you can read more here:

http://www.rodoslovlje.com/forum/vojvodina/kalocsa-roman-cat...

- records available for that parish are for the period 1826-1922

***

"Rodoslovlje" Serbian Genealogy Society
http://www.rodoslovlje.com/

Re: Lamos Family from Pivnice Yugoslavia

slamosprieur — 2013-04-04 02:38:43Z

HI David.

Thank you for this interesting information. Since I don't speak or read Slovak I wouldn't be able to access this kind of information. It would be really interesting if you could tell me how you know that 12 members of the Urhik family were deported into Banat. Have you any names or the reasons they were deported? If you can give me a source I could try to use Google Translate to help me.

I can only tell you that my grandmother was Paulina Uhrik and she was born to Carl and Thereza in 1905 in Stara Pazova. She had some siblings: Carl Junior, Emma, Thereza and Irene. That is about all I know. I wonder if your Uhrik family and mine are distantly related.

Thank you for responding to my message.

Susan Lamos Prieur

Re: Lamos Family from Pivnice Yugoslavia

asrdce — 2013-04-03 15:01:22Z

Hallo,
concernig Uhrik family, there is a possibility that comes originally from Czech Republic. You write, that you are looking for an information, but I do not know, if this is the kind of information You want. In case you do, and you are digging into this history, than one way is to concentrate on year 1780 when about 12 members of Uhrik family were deported into Banat (romania) of other parts of Transylvania...
Regards,
David Uhrik (asrdce@seznam.cz)

Prapotnik, Yugoslavia

DebbieCraig1952 — 2013-01-18 22:47:48Z

I'm trying to find the location of a town where an ancestor was born and raised and which he left to come to the US. His nationality is given a Croatian. The town, from 1891 to 1913 or a little later, was called Prapotnik, Yugoslavia. Spelling of the town varied. Any help would be appreciated.

Re: Wechselberger, Flick and Meisner

djinacvetkovic — 2013-01-05 21:26:44Z

We have church records pretty much covered: http://www.synergia.rs/Banat/Kikinda.htm
Roman Catholic:

B: 1827-1839, 1848-1850, 1854, 1855, 1857, 1858, 1861, 1864, 1876, 1877-1881, 1885-1889, 1891-1895

C: 1827-1839, 1848-1850, 1854, 1855, 1857, 1858, 1861, 1864, 1877-1884, 1885-1889, 1891-1895

D: 1827-1839, 1848-1850, 1854, 1855, 1857, 1858, 1861, 1864, 1877-1884, 1885-1889, 1891-1895

Best regards

Re: Wechselberger, Flick and Meisner

jwech194 — 2013-01-05 20:12:29Z

Thank you. I will definitely keep your suggestion in mind.

Re: Wechselberger, Flick and Meisner

djinacvetkovic — 2013-01-05 17:29:21Z

If you need professional help, please visit our new site www.synergia.rs or fb page https://www.facebook.com/SynergiaGenealogyAgency

Stasa Cvetkovic
Novi Sad
mail is synergia@gmail.com

Re: Wechselberger, Flick and Meisner

djinacvetkovic — 2013-01-05 17:29:19Z

If you need professional help, please visit our new site www.synergia.rs or fb page https://www.facebook.com/SynergiaGenealogyAgency

Stasa Cvetkovic
Novi Sad
mail is synergia@gmail.com

Wechselberger, Flick and Meisner

jwech194 — 2012-12-26 20:20:02Z

Looking for any information on Wechselberger, Flick, and Meisner families in Vojvodina. Some of the family members lived in Kikinda. My grandfather was Joseph Wechselberger (1881-1951) and my grandmother was Elizabeth Meisner Wechselberger (1890-1959). They immigrated to the USA in 1905. Elizabeth's father was named Josef Mesiner and she had a brother Peter Meisner. Joseph's parents were Kristof and Terezia Flick Wechselberger (1853-1928). Terezia and Kristof also had two daughters, Elizabeth (born 1892) and Sophia (1885-1939), both of whom immigrated to the USA. Terezia had at least three brothers: Frank Flick (Ferencz), Michael Flick (Michaly), and Joseph Flick (born 1856). Their father's name was Frank Flick. Terezia Flick Wechselberger and Joseph Flick both immigrated to the USA in the early 1900s.
Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Re: Lamos Family from Pivnice Yugoslavia

djinacvetkovic — 2012-12-07 07:44:37Z

This is available records for Pivnice:
Evangelical:

B: 1842, 1848-1852, 1853, 1859, 1861-1875, 1876-1879, 1880-1895

C: 1848-1852, 1853, 1859, 1861-1875, 1876-1879, 1880-1895

D: 1830, 1848-1852, 1853, 1859, 1861-1875, 1876-1879, 1880-1895
www.synergia.rs
Djina Cvetkovic

Re: Lamos Family from Pivnice Yugoslavia

slamosprieur — 2012-11-27 01:27:39Z

Thanks for your information. I actually am friends with the woman who writes Pauline's Cookbook. Her family came from Pivnice and she has given me some information about my family.

Re: Lamos Family from Pivnice Yugoslavia

Mohnbauer — 2012-11-26 18:42:41Z

Stara Pazova, german Alt-Pasua, Alt-Pazua or Pazua, hungarian Ópazova
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stara_Pazova
http://www.sahmatik-plastic.com/images/mapa%20stara%20pazova...
http://maps.google.at/maps?hl=de&pq=stara+pasova&cp=...

Syrmia (Serbian Sremski okrug or Сремски округ, croat. Srijemski okrug, Hungarian Szerémségi Körzet, Slovak. Sriemski okres, rum. Districtul Srem) is a local government district and covers the northern part of Serbia. It comprises the eastern part of Serbia part of the landscape Syrmia and borders on the Croatian Vukovar-Syrmia. Syrmia forms with Bačka and Banat the three historic regions of the Autonomous Province of Vojvodina.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Okrug_Srem
http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/maps/1910/szerem.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrmia

Pivnice: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pivnice
http://maps.google.at/maps?hl=de&q=Pivnice&bav=on.2,...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Ba%C4%8Dka_District

serbian genealogy site:
http://www.rodoslovlje.com/content/aboutus
http://www.rodoslovlje.com/en/forum

some of your stated names sound to be of slovakian settlers, like Uhrik and Kubinec...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stara_Pazova#History

Uhrik: http://www.ellisisland.org/search/matchMore.asp?MID=16900218...
Lamos(also creek to find): http://www.ellisisland.org/search/matchMore.asp?MID=16900218...
Kubinec: http://www.ellisisland.org/search/matchMore.asp?MID=16900218...
Belyani >>> Beljani ?

a Dj Uhrik from Stara Pazova;-) http://soundcloud.com/dj-dalibor-uhrik

you at replies?
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:0qrIt6G...
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:x-o9YBD...
http://paulinescookbook.wordpress.com/2010/05/13/julia-pinti...

Lamos Family from Pivnice Yugoslavia

slamosprieur — 2012-11-26 03:07:55Z

Looking for information on my family from Pivnice. Steve Sr. was born in 1890's and his Paulina was from Star Pazova She was a Uhrik. Her father was Carl and mother was Thereza. Her siblings were Carl, Thereza, Emma and Irene. Steve Sr's father was John and his mother was Susan Kubinec. They had Steve, a owner of a dry goods store, John, a notary public, Paul, a teacher, Susan Belyani, and Julie. Paul married a Mary and had Mila. Steve Sr'. children were Steve, a doctor, John and Jerry. Thanks.

Re: Plavna

jweber4205 — 2012-11-17 15:24:48Z

I am looking for Martin Kuluncsics from Plavna. He married Susanna Singler from Bukin. I don't know what happened to them. I do know their kids came to Detroit, Michigan. But not Susanna and Martin. They changed their name to Kollom, Kalun, Kallom.
Any help would be much appreciated
Jackie Singler.
jweber4205@charter.net

Re: MOKRIN VILLAGE HERITAGE MUSEUM PHOTO COLLECTION

yugaya — 2012-10-24 13:14:23Z

Land reforms as they were called by the monarchy authorities included the stripping of the land from its original owners ( Serbs and other domicile Eastern Orthodox/Slavic population who were awarded land as bordersmen in the Military Frontier province in earlier centuries) as well as their subsequent resettling within the region to less fertile parts.

The parts that were earlier deemed uninhabitable due to Ottoman presence and incursions were also settled during the land reforms.

Land was awarded to the new settlers ( your ancestors among them), and that is well documented too. The other set of colonization documents includes charters and lists of individual plots that were awarded to these new colonists. Also of interest to you would be a thorough research of the land owners registers and military service records for that period which are located in the Kikinda town regional state archive I mentioned earlier.

A more detailed lookup would warrant both a thorough examination of available archival holdings and contacting the museum and archive in person.

For more historical information on the region I suggest the official history guide to Vojvodina region as an objective and balanced resource. I know it is available in all official languages of the province ( Serbian, Hungarian, German, Romanian and several more) but you will have to contact the publisher to see if it is available in English version too.

link to .pdf brochure in Serbian :

http://www.puma.vojvodina.gov.rs/dokumenti/projekat/Kviz/Kol...

link to web text version in Serbian (more Google Translate friendly) :

http://www.sluzba.vojvodina.gov.rs/SEKRETARIJATI-V/MANJINE/m...

Publisher: Pokrajinski sekretarijat za manjine

http://www.puma.vojvodina.gov.rs/

"Rodoslovlje" Serbian Genealogy Society
http://www.rodoslovlje.com/en

Re: MOKRIN VILLAGE HERITAGE MUSEUM PHOTO COLLECTION

Andrew_Spitzer — 2012-10-22 23:09:12Z

Hey, sorry to reopen this old thread, but I'm having trouble finding information on Austro-Hungarian land reforms and colonization of the Mokrin area in the 19th century. I think this would be a useful topic for me to explore since my ancestor was born in Mokrin but his family came from Brno. Can you maybe elaborate a little on what you mean by land reform, or provide some links.

Thanks,
Andrew

Synergia Genealogy Agency

djinacvetkovic — 2012-10-09 17:52:09Z

Please visit our new site www.synergia.rs or fb page https://www.facebook.com/SynergiaGenealogyAgency

Stasa Cvetkovic
Novi Sad
mail is synergia@gmail.com
tel +381 62 598 517

Re: bessermany, segedi

mgpapuga — 2012-08-16 21:38:41Z

Stephanie,
I hope you're still reading these message boards. I am searching my Papuga family roots in Vojvodina and Croatia and came upon this post. You mention the Papuga family name and I am looking to connect the missing pieces in my research, possibly there is a connection. I'd like to hear from you.
Mark

VOJVODINA SAILORS IN CROATIA ONLINE RECORDS

yugaya — 2012-06-18 13:27:40Z

*Greek Catholic* records for PULA are actually mostly Serbian Orthodox sailors military death records 1880-1885. Many are from Vojvodina region ( Mokrin, Subotica, Palanka) , as well as Dalmatia and Lika.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-28345-16663-43...

Their faith in these records is labeled *Greek Orthodox* - which is incorrect ,as well as *grich. orient.* original label.

Surnames:

Dilber (Mokrin)
Jajagin(Kikinda)
Marinkov
Muntjan
Lukić
Teofanov
Murgaški
Bajagić
Demin
Milić
Olarin
Žijan

"Rodoslovlje" Serbian Genealogy Society
http://www.rodoslovlje.com/en

Vlahović (Ada), Pejčić (Mol/Senta)

soki78 — 2012-06-04 06:48:54Z

Looking for informations about family Vlahović from Ada and family Pejčić from Senta and Mol!

Re: great grandfather

ZlaticaBeca — 2012-05-28 13:14:35Z

I would say the spelling would be JAKOVIC^
Croatia's phone book:
http://imenik.tportal.hr/show

www.croatia-in-english.com

Your grandmother's church baptismal record should have her father's place of birth.

Re: MOKRIN VILLAGE HERITAGE MUSEUM PHOTO COLLECTION

yugaya — 2012-05-04 18:37:29Z

The heritage museum in Mokrin can give you information about mentions of your family in village history books, property and merchant records, their status and involvement in local village organization, location of ancestral home, headstones that exist in the local cemetery. However, they do not have the vital records - civil vital records are kept by municipal offices.

Church vital records - the original books- of all religions have been returned by the state of Serbia last year to its original authors - in your case, that would be the Roman Catholic diocese that includes the temple where your ancestors were baptized&married. Contact them directly and ask for help and information - remember, reasonable donation to the church you are contacting is a customary thing over here that makes receiving answers easier.

http://www.catholic-zr.org.rs/eng/eng.html

The original church vital records have also been microfilmed by the historical archives and are available to be viewed and researched in the archives in Serbia.

I see no listing of Roman Catholic vital records or microfilms in the Kikinda archive, but you need to contact them and ask specifically - all websites and listings of archival collections in Serbia are in dire need of updating. :)

Archive in Kikinda have records of the Roman Catholic schools for Kikinda and Mokrin, which will have info on your ancestors - for every student, a personal entry would include names of parents, address, birth year, and school reports.

Also of interest if your ancestors migrated to the area during the Austro-Hungarian land reforms would be their collection of the colonization documents 1849-1871.

Serbian Genealogy Society SGS "Rodoslovlje"
http://www.rodoslovlje.com/en

Re: MOKRIN VILLAGE HERITAGE MUSEUM PHOTO COLLECTION

Andrew_Spitzer — 2012-05-04 17:54:55Z

You seem to know a lot about the region. My great great grandfather Anton Haimann (Sometimes written Antal Haymann) was born in Mokrin Feb 23, 1866 to Simon Haymann and Terez Libozky. I was planning on asking if it was possible to get a birth record. FYI They were Roman Catholics.

Do you know if such church records are available or even accessible? Is it worth contacting him?

Re: MOKRIN VILLAGE HERITAGE MUSEUM PHOTO COLLECTION

yugaya — 2012-05-01 14:31:13Z

I do not know whether he speaks English. There is no email or website contact for the museum but Mr. Badrljica is on Google+ and Picasa web albums, so try to find and contact him there via comment or message on the links I posted.

Also, if you are writing with questions or queries, consider a cultured reasonable donation to the Mokrin Heritage Museum in return for the information.

Let me know if you need more assistance or wish to contact the museum in Serbian language, I will translate and forward the correspondence- this may be the better option, usually the answer you receive in English is never as detailed as in the native language. :)

Serbian Genealogy Society SGS "Rodoslovlje"
http://www.rodoslovlje.com/en

Re: MOKRIN VILLAGE HERITAGE MUSEUM PHOTO COLLECTION

Andrew_Spitzer — 2012-05-01 04:08:53Z

Thanks, for the info. Before I write him, do you know if he speaks any English? Also, does he have an email address?

Thanks again,
Andrew

Ordinacev family from Novi Sad and surrounding areas

jatthepark — 2012-04-10 01:19:58Z

My family had a farm in Kac/Novi Sad Area. (1800s) Tosa Ordinacev was GG Grandfather. He married someone with a name Yella ( do not know if it was maiden last name or if it was her first name. Where did the Ordinacev name originate? How long had they been in the area? Tosa had atleast two sons, Marko( emigrated to America)and a second son who stayed behind. Any more children? Any information on the Family of Antic ( Maybe from the Village of Djurdjevo)I was told a number of the Ordinacev family migrated to Montaneagro (I know the spelling is wrong) Thanks for any information.

Re: Family History Zoroya, Zoroja

Zoroya — 2012-04-04 16:19:15Z

This is great milo or mili was my great grandfathers brothers name. They immigrated together from what I see on ancestry. I believe he then returned and came in again through Vermont US with his wife and surviving children. Just a theory

Petars mom I found on the 1940 census immigrated with her second husband in 1914 can we find her maiden name and the ame of her first husband my great great grandfather? We do know petars wife Julia not Jillian possibly Julka Kundak from rankovic Croatia.

Thanks for all your help.

Re: Family History Zoroya, Zoroja

Zoroya — 2012-04-04 16:10:41Z

This info was great I also found them on the 1940 census which gave me Petars mom and step father. How can I get his dads name and Ella's maiden name?

great grandfather

distefano_tina — 2012-03-26 17:50:46Z

my grandmothr just recenly passed away and had told my her dad was croatia. The last name is Yakovik. cananyone help

Re: Serbian Census

yugaya — 2012-03-18 23:06:06Z

No information from any past census of the population is available due to privacy laws, except for the Austro-Hungarian censuses (1828, 1869) and earlier population and tax lists.

The church vital records of the Serbian Orthodox Church for the surnames you are researching exist. You need to contact the state historical archives and municipal offices, as well as the church because the original vital records have been returned to them last year.

Serbian genealogy Society SGS "Rodoslovlje"
http://www.rodoslovlje.com/en

Re: Radosavljevic family

yugaya — 2012-03-12 01:17:06Z

"Any help on how to get partisan troop records, orphanage records etc would be wonderful."

Military WWII records are stored in the military archive in Belgrade, Serbia.

http://www.isi.mod.gov.rs/vojni_arhiv02/index.php?lang=en

This website is the greatest website collection of books and original documents about the WWII and partisan movement 1941-1945. For many brigades detailed lists of all soldiers and casualty reports are available:

http://www.znaci.net/

Orphanage records will be part of the municipal archives and may be subject to privacy law restrictions.

I have attached the only record I found that fits with the info you provided :

Radosavljević (Aleksa) Branko,
rođen 1916.
Srbin,
poginuo 1945. u NOBu, Virovitica
(0179028015)

That is the record of BRANKO RADOSAVLJEVIĆ from NOVI SLANKAMEN, son of ALEKSA, born in 1916, killed in 1945. in Virovitica. Included is the ID number of his WWII victims census individual file.

Further generations research strategy:

http://www.rodoslovlje.com/en/groups/researching-ethnic-serb...

Serbian Genealogy Society SGS "Rodoslovlje"
http://www.rodoslovlje.com/en

Re: Dusan Stojic , died in WW2

RobertJerin — 2012-03-10 22:53:13Z

The info I posted can be accessed at

http://www.jasenovac-info.com/cd/zrtve/victims-appendix.html

If you google "dna serbia" you will find several hits.

Robert

Re: Dusan Stojic , died in WW2

yugaya — 2012-03-10 22:00:44Z

"For now, I will assume the Dusan born in 1935 is a son and the Dusan born in 1900 to be the father who was killed in the war. "

I am afraid that your assumption is wrong. Name of the father is listed for this boy - it is RANKO.

Also, ethnic Serbs traditionally almost never named a son after their father - except in special circumstances, as an *ultimate* protective name after losing (many) children at an early age, especially sons.

If you are going to make any assumptions, then the assumptions should be according to the naming customs and patterns exactly the opposite - that DUŠAN was in most cases not the son of a DUŠAN.

These are the only two people from Sremska Mitrovica municipality who were killed in war with first name DUŠAN and surname resembling the ones you posted of adequate age :

Stanišić (Jovan) Dušan,
rođen 1884.
Srbin,
ubijen od ustaša 1942. u masovnom pokolju u Sremskoj mitrovici
(6002s00586),
He was from the village LEŽIMIR

and

Stanković (Gliša) Dušan,
rođen 1893.
Srbin,
umro 1942. na prinudnom radu, Bijeljina
(0602072008)
He was from the village SREMSKA RAČA

Surname ORLOVIĆ was present in the village LEŽIMIR.

Serbian Genealogy Society SGS "Rodoslovlje"
http://www.rodoslovlje.com/en

MOKRIN VILLAGE HERITAGE MUSEUM PHOTO COLLECTION

yugaya — 2012-03-07 20:44:34Z

-posted by the museum curator prof. Dragoljub Badrljica:

https://plus.google.com/photos/105243020829190524154/albums/...

more Mokrin albums he posted:

https://picasaweb.google.com/105243020829190524154?noredirec...

If you wish to contact this institution, address your letter to

ZAVIČAJNI MUZEJ MOKRIN

MESNA ZAJEDNICA MOKRIN
Trg 9. januara 102
23305 MOKRIN
SERBIA

- related historical archive - ISTORIJSKI ARHIV KIKINDA :

http://www.kiarhiv.org.rs/

Serbian Genealogy Society SGS "Rodoslovlje"
http://www.rodoslovlje.com/en

att: oldest church vital records of the Serbian Orthodox Church for Mokrin , Book of baptisms year 1757.

Re: Family History Zoroya, Zoroja

yugaya — 2012-02-12 22:19:43Z

There are many surnames of this ethnicity that were mistranscribed from the Cyrillic Old Church Slavonic original by the AU authorities and these mistakes often ended up in the civil vital records as valid surnames , in the military service records, passports and the travel documents too.

There's also the problem of religious conversions, and people changing the spelling deliberately to distance themselves from the old identity.

Based on the recorded migrations and patron saints listed, ZOROJE surname in Rakovica is a misspelled branch of the same family as the Zoroja from Vrebac.

To confirm this, I would have to do extensive research of the original vital records and civil documents .

Current phonebook is no good for including it in the database of surnames that existed before XX century.

If you come across any XIX and early XX century original document for the ZOROJE spelling I will be able to include it in that confirmed spelling and location for that earlier period.

Thank you for replying to my question. :)

att. ZOROJE spelling for Rakovica as valid surname in later date records (after 1918)

Re: Family History Zoroya, Zoroja

incitatus — 2012-02-12 12:08:54Z

Both spellings are listed in the on-line Croatian phone book. Immigration records (the EI Manifest) list also both spellings ZOROJA and ZOROJE and the last ones listed are coming mostly from Rakovica. Transcription errors?

Re: Family History Zoroya, Zoroja

yugaya — 2012-02-12 01:10:10Z

incitatus,

Where did you find the ZOROJE spelling for Rakovica?

I located only ZOROJA surname in 1905 church census of the families for that place, and would appreciate if you could direct me to the historical document or resource where this other spelling can be confirmed.

For this Zoroja family from PAVLOVAC (VREBAČKI) : their houses were located by the old village road towards ZAVOĐE.

As the original census from 1712 lists the plot number and location of the family owned land, this information can help you trace the family through the period for which the church vital records were destroyed.

http://www.rodoslovlje.com/en/groups/researching-ethnic-serb...

You should also contact the Serbian Orthodox Church in the US - they have records and lists for people from Vrebac going back to 1904.

Military archives in Belgrade, Serbia will have information on the Zoroja men who volunteered to fight in WWI on the side of Serbia (1914-1918) - from Vrebac parish villages there were 107 volunteers.

The family connection to Vojvodina is with the families of these volunteers originating from Vrebac parish who settled in Vojvodina province - such ZOROJA family settlers moved to the village of VELEBIT near the town KANJIŽA after the WWI ended (1918), and also near towns of SOMBOR and IRIG.

In 1931. a number of emigrant families who came to USA and Canada from these villages donated through SOC the money for the Serbian Orthodox temple in Vrebac.

Serbian Orthodox Church, parish priest in charge of the rebuilding of the Vrebac temple committee and the Association of the Vrebac village people will have informati
on on this family and descendants who can help you.

att.
-Zoroja household, census 1712
-Vrebac WWII memorial - Zoroja: top fallen freedom fighters (partisans), bottom civilian victims.
-photo XIX century, Vrebac Serbian Orthodox temple, men in traditional (everyday) garments

Serbian Genealogy Society SGS "Rodoslovlje"
http://www.rodoslovlje.com/en