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Re: Elizavetgrad -- list of names and addresses from landsmanshaftn

RayCannata91 — 2013-03-06 02:36:17Z

I am interested in Alexander Semenovich GUMBERG b. 26 June 1886, Elizavetgrad to a rabbi. Immigrated to US 1903. 1 June 1905 living with SIEBELs; married Emma Frances “Frankie” ADAMS (b. 1893, CA), 27 May 1919. She died in 1969, using her maiden name of ADAMS.

Alexander had a brother Zhenya GUMBERG

Their oldest brother was Capt. Veniamin GUMBERG (b. bef. 1886) Menshevik revolutionary anticommunist, sent to work camp 1930.

Their youngest brother was Sergei “Zarin” GUMBERG – Bolshevik. postal minister.

Re: Elizavetgrad -- list of names and addresses from landsmanshaftn

cdgomberg — 2013-03-05 21:25:50Z

If you have any information on Gombergs please contact me. My names of interest are:

Henry (*) & Elizabeth Gomberg
children:
Selena
Nettie
Arnold
Alexander
Rose
Irving

(*)Henry was the son of Mordecai & Gittel Gomberg.
siblings:
Edward
Naftule
Elizabeth

Thanks! =Chris

Re: Elizavetgrad -- list of names and addresses from landsmanshaftn

notcalmdotcalm46 — 2013-03-03 17:11:00Z

my maternal family (GREENSTEIN) was related to the BROWN family and had many family connections with other elizabethgrad families..... however the BROWNS emigrated to new haven ... in fact i have a telegram they sent to acknowledge my grands parents wedding in 1905....other names are
jalkof
bonhoff
gomberg
birdie
berdichevsky
borden

Re: Elisavetgrad Pogrom - April 1881

bizgia — 2013-02-07 21:21:19Z

Спасибо за Ваше предложение о происхождения в исследованиях имена из документов и фотографий, собранных из Елисаветград семьях. Моя великая бабушка и дедушка похоронены в Елисаветграде кладбище в Вашингтоне, округ Колумбия, США. Они иммигрировали сюда между 1884 и 1886 (в зависимости от того, что они заявили на несколько записей переписи Их фамилии. Bizgia, Menstaff, Розенблатт Спасибо, Уильям M древесины fortlincoln@comcast.net.

Re: Elisavetgrad Pogrom - April 1881

Egerall — 2013-02-06 20:53:20Z

Привет - я ищу члена семьи, которого я знаю - от Elisavetgrad. Его имя Абрахам Джерол и я знаем, что он имел по крайней мере одного сына с именем Барни Джерол. Это известно по слухам, что он, возможно, имел несколько детей.
Я полагаю, что Абрахам родился приблизительно в 1850. Пожалуйста сообщите мне, если Вы имеете что - нибудь на этом человеке. Большое спасибо.

Re: Elisavetgrad Pogrom - April 1881

Mighthelp — 2013-01-28 04:30:21Z

I just transliterated GGrandfather's surname, Tchernegovski/Tchernigovsky = Черниговскый (in Russian), and realized that this is a surname rooted in geography. The surname is taken from town name, Chernigov (to date still the regional seat - today called Chernihiv > Ukraine) in appx 1836. Chernigov would have likely been the birthplace of the founder of the dynasty. The surname translates to PERSON FROM CHERNIGOV.

Historically, Jews did not have permanent family surnames at all. Within the Jewish community, patronymics were used, such as David ben (son of) Joseph or Miriam bat (daughter of) Aaron. Names in that form are still used in synagogue and in Jewish legal documents.

Surnames are a relatively new phenomenon among Ashkenazim (East European) Jews. Jews are a people whose calendar is nearly 6,000 years old, but surnames were mandated for Russian Jews only in the 19th century, less than two hundred years ago.

In the Russian Pale of Settlement, Jews were required to take formal surnames at various times in different places. Czar Alexander I unsuccessfully mandated that Jews adopt surnames in 1804. However, it was not until 1836 that all Russian Jews had surnames. By 1844, they were compelled to enter their names in a public register.
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Geopolitics+
http://www.zum.de/whkmla/region/russia/xgovchernigov.html

CHERNIGOV:
A city in Russia; capital of the government of the same name. The Jewish settlement at Chernigov is one of the oldest of the Ukraine. In the thirteenth century a rabbi, Isaac (Itze) of Chernigov, is mentioned, who spoke the Russian language. (Harkavy,"Yevrei i Slavyanskie Yazyky," p. 11). In 1623 King Ladislaus banished the Jews from the "voyevodstvos" (military districts) of Chernigov and Syeversk. The cause was probably jealousy on the part of the Christian merchants and tradesmen; the edict declaring that the Jews caused great damage to their business. However, soon after 1623 the Jews again came to Chernigov. In 1648, at the time of Khmielnicki's revolt, the whole Jewish population of Chernigov was exterminated by the Cossacks.

In the later histories of Chernigov indications are found of the hostility of the people toward the Jews. Thus, in 1665 the noblemen of Chernigov sent an embassy to the Council of Warsaw, mentioning in their instructions that justice called for the expulsion of the dishonest Jews from the country, or at least for the imposition of a Jewish poll-tax.

According to the census of 1897 there were in the town of Chernigov about 11,000 Jews in a total population of 27,006. The chief occupations of the Jews are industrial and commercial. In the neighborhood many tobacco plantations and fruit-gardens are owned by Jews. There are in Chernigov 1,321 Jewish artisans, including 404 tailors and seamstresses, but the demand for artisan labor is limited to the town. There are 69 Jewish day-laborers, almost exclusively teamsters. But few are engaged in the factories.

The small charitable institutions of Chernigov were combined, in 1899, in the Committee of Relief for the Jewish Poor; but the different trade groups of the Jewish population have their own charitable institutions also. Thus the bakers, storekeepers, teamsters, tailors, and "melammedim" (teachers of Hebrew) have separate funds from which loans without interest, and, in cases of necessity, gratuitous help, are obtained.

The Jewish educational establishments include a Talmud Torah (115 pupils); a primary school for boys (40 pupils); a private school for girls (57 pupils); and there are 45
ḥadarim, where about 450 boys and 70 girls are taught Hebrew.
Bibliography:
Regesty i Nadpisi, i. 403, 404, 466;
Budushchnost, 1900, No. 42.
Jewish Encyclopedia 1906

Chernigov
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/judaica/ejud_000...

http://www.zum.de/whkmla/region/russia/xgovchernigov.html

http://www.bloodandfrogs.com/2011/03/jewish-genealogy-basics...

http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Ethnic-Jewish...

Once you complete your inquiry in Kirovograd and come to a wall, I would suggest moving your inquiry to Chernihiv. Following are just a few example registers available. There are many others as well.

Locality/Town: CHERNIGOV
Raion/Region: CHERNIGOV
Oblast/District: CHERNIGOV
Country: UKRAINE
Archive Name: STATE ARCHIVE OF CHERNIGOV OBLAST
Archive Locale: CHERNIGOV
Archive Type: ARCHIVES
Document Type: CENSUS
Year List: 1829; 1897; 1917; 1921-1923; 1925
Fond/Opis/Delo: 205/2/4; 206/2/1, 6; P-90/1/2-13; P-2751; P-65/1/1600

Locality/Town: CHERNIGOV
Raion/Region: CHERNIGOV
Oblast/District: CHERNIGOV
Country: UKRAINE
Archive Name: STATE ARCHIVE OF CHERNIGOV OBLAST
Archive Locale: CHERNIGOV
Archive Type: ARCHIVES
Document Type: BIRTH
Year List: 1875; 1877-1884; 1889-1894; 1898; 1906; 1910; 1912-1913; 1919-1920
Fond/Opis/Delo: 679/10/1244, 1252, 1255, 1261; 679/3/383

Locality/Town: CHERNIGOV
Raion/Region: CHERNIGOV
Oblast/District: CHERNIGOV
Country: UKRAINE
Archive Name: STATE ARCHIVE OF CHERNIGOV OBLAST
Archive Locale: CHERNIGOV
Archive Type: ARCHIVES
Document Type: KAHAL/JEWISH COMMUNITY
Year List: 1863-1864
Fond/Opis/Delo: 205/1/149, 178

Locality/Town: CHERNIGOV
Raion/Region: CHERNIGOV
Oblast/District: CHERNIGOV
Country: UKRAINE
Archive Name: STATE ARCHIVE OF CHERNIGOV OBLAST
Archive Locale: CHERNIGOV
Archive Type: ARCHIVES
Document Type: HOLOCAUST
Year List: 1941-1943
Fond/Opis/Delo: P-3001, 3013
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GGrandfather was likely just another man with a big hole in his heart, like so many fleeing Russia were at the time.

If you any questions feel free to contact me here.

Re: Elisavetgrad Pogrom - April 1881

ivjones — 2013-01-28 00:14:44Z

Wooow, Mighthelp. Thanks again tremendously for that info. I have now joined JewishGen. Its going to be interesting to see where this journey takes me.
There has always been a feeling of "the other" about my Ukraine great grand father. His customs, way of living and experiences seem so strange, other worldly and even shocking.
My family is mainly Anglo-Celtic in background but here is this wonderfully strange ingredient that has given me both my names and I suspect gives that side of our family a mystical, brooding, interior and art-creative expression.
Ivan

Re: Elisavetgrad Pogrom - April 1881

Mighthelp — 2013-01-27 22:30:00Z

You are right. Historical perspective is very important. It confirms the person and the circumstance.

There are Jewish records available thru archival inquiry. Some look to be in State Archive of Kirovograd oblast and others are at RAHS (comparable to district level).

Kirivograd State Archive does have Jewish birth records for following time frames: 1831, 1853, 1855-56, 1858-1863, 1866-1880, 1882-1919. If the dates you need are available,
you can confirm that he was actually born there. Many Jews living in the Southern Tsarist Empire were migrants from Mogilev and Grodno gubernias, today's Belarus.

State Archives of Kirovohrad Oblast
3, Academician KoroliovStr. (building 1)
1 g Chornovola Str. (building 2)
Kirovohrad, 25013

Deputy Director: Kusminska, Viktoriya

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Tel./Fax: +380(522) 37-31-10,37-31-95, 37-31-65 (building 1)
+380(522) 22-68-60 (building 2)

E-mail: dakiro@romb.net
Web: dakiro.kr-admin.gov.ua

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I had posted this info in another forum. All records are available. LDS has not filmed these.
http://genforum.genealogy.com/ukraine/messages/11024.html

I assume you have explored Jewishgen, the central online destination for Jewish Genealogy? It currently has 400,000 int'l users. http://www.jewishgen.org/

Google: PALE OF SETTLEMENT.
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Re: Elisavetgrad Pogrom - April 1881

ivjones — 2013-01-27 07:32:22Z

Hi Mighthelp. Thanks for this background information. It has helped put a terrible part of my great grand father's life in prospective.
Ivan

Re: Elisavetgrad Pogrom - April 1881

Mighthelp — 2013-01-25 22:54:44Z

Excerpt from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirovohrad

On Wednesday, April 27, 1881, there was a pogrom against the Jewish citizens of Elisavetgrad.A religious dispute at an inn served as fuel for the riot. The attack focused at first on the systematic destruction of Jewish shops and warehouses. The Jewish citizens tried to protect their businesses, but this only led to more outrage. The soldiers joined in the rioting rather than protecting the innocent. After two days of attacks, many were killed, 500 houses and 100 shops were demolished and approximately 2,000,000 rubles' worth of property was stolen or destroyed.This would not be the only pogrom against the Jewish population of Elisavetgrad. In 1905 another riot flared killing Jews and again plundering the Jewish quarter. A contemporary account of the 1905 pogrom was reported in the NY Times December 13, 1905.

Elizabethgrad was ravished by famine in 1901 which was made worse by poor government response. The region itself is extremely fertile. However, a drought in 1892 and poor farming methods which never allowed the soil to recover, prompted a large famine that plagued the region. According to a 1901 NY Times article, the Ministry of the Interior denied that the persistence of famine in the region and blocked non-State charities from bringing aid to the area. In the opinion of the NY Times author, "The existence of famine was inconvenient at a time when negotiations were pending for foreign loans." The Governor of the Kherson region, Prince Oblonsky, refused to acknowledge this famine. Nevertheless, one non-resident and non-State worker was able to gain access to Elizabethgrad and could provide the NY Times with an eye-witness account.

New York Times Article referred to in above
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=2&res=9...

http://grossmanproject.net/pogroms.htm

Ivan Jacob Tchernegovski (1870-1942) from Kirovohrad (was Elizabethgrad)

ivjones — 2013-01-07 02:12:28Z

Hi folks. I am researching the ancestry profile of my great grand father, Ivan as above. His father was Jerston and his mother was Menica nee Bacinov. I believe they were wealthy cattle dealers. All was shattered in the mid 1880s (approximate guess) when Ivan's entire family were pogrom slaughtered. He fled to London and eventually New Zealand where he refused to speak of his terrible experiences again. He did it seems have one friend back in Elizabethgrad in 1908. That was Dr Manual Linetsky, Uspensky St, Elisabethgrad, South Russia.
I would appreciate hearing from anyone who thinks they maybe able to help or who is related to Ivan or knows anything about his ancestors. I have hit a brick wall in researching further back than Ivan.
Thanks for listening. Ivan Joseph Tchernegovski (Melbourne, Australia)

Re: Elisavetgrad Pogrom - April 1881

ivjones — 2013-01-07 01:35:41Z

Hi Andrea. I am sorry I cannot help you but I am interested in your endeavours to find out about the pogroms of Elizabethgrad that my great grand father (Ivan Jacob Tchernegovski (1870 - 1942) was also caught up in. According to my aunt (his grand child) he refused ever to talk about his terrible despicable experience. All his family in Elizabethgrad were wiped out. He eventually settled in New Zealand as far away from his past as he could. I know he had a friend (Dr Manual Linetsky, Uspensky St, Elisabethgrad) in 1908 who was trying to contact him in Australia.

Re: The Brodsky family.

Yamila_Gurovich — 2013-01-02 16:22:03Z

Hi Katia
I am doing research on our family tree. My mother is Liliana Brozky and her father my grandfather is Natalio Ruben Brozky. His father my great grandfather was Mauricio Brozky and he was born in Ukraine in 1898 but immigrated to Argentina. His father (my great great grandfather) on his marriage certificate is Leon Brozky from Russia. My mother said that my grandfather Natalio Ruben (who passed away a few months ago in Australia) always talked about my great grandfather (his father) Mauricio belonging to the Sugar dynasty from Ukraine but having to leave Europe with his mother (Rosa Kuperman) due to being an illegitimate son however he kept the name Brozky. His name was changed to Brozky it seems from Bodzky in Argentina. I think Leon Brodsky or Brozky is the same Leon Brodsky that is my mother's great grandfather and my great great grandfather. Do you have any photos of Leon or his daughters or your father you could show me and I can send you a photo of my great grandfather Maurico who died in 1960 and had 3 daughters and one son (my grandfather).

Elizabethgrad--Gomberg

manyhats2000 — 2013-01-01 20:55:58Z

I am looking to find anyone that can help me with information about the Gomberg family that left Elizabethgrad, Russian (Ukraine) and came to Bronx, New York about 1902.

Brodskys

surahinda — 2012-12-28 02:16:08Z

My great grandmother was a Brodsky whose family built the synogogue in Kiev..that was reopened not long ago…Her name was Golda ..Her mother who was a Brodsky,s name was Sura Hinda..Tryin g to find out if there ae any other relatives ou there

Re: The Brodsky family.

mattbrode — 2012-09-29 20:47:27Z

I would like some help too. I am Brode, my great-grandfather was Marcus Brodsky from Melitopal Russia (near Odessa). He, and his five sons soon after the pogroms went to Hailar China before coming to Vancouver. The sons of Marcus were: Jack, Norman, Henry and Leonard. My grandfather Henry was born in 1902 in Melitopal as were his brothers. They all immigrated to Detroit in 1919 where many of us still remain. The last Brodsky to my knowledge was Marcus - the other brothers all changed it to Brode. Before Henry died in 1990 we did a documentary on his life. He was 88 and a bit senile so it's hard to hear exact details. From what I can glean, his father Marcus was in the uniform manufacturing business in Russia - for the Russian army. He was married to Hanna Zinkovski (sp?) I wonder if anyone can help me with some lineage.

Re: The Brodsky family- sugar factory in Kiev

Mighthelp — 2012-09-07 18:59:00Z

http://www.yivoencyclopedia.org/article.aspx/Brodskii_Family
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Available thru LDS Centers: https://familysearch.org/locations

Title
Метрические книги, 1858-1862

Authors
Еврейское общество. Златополь (Чигирин) (Main Author)

Notes
Микрофильмированное издание рукописей в Государственном архиве Черкасской области.
Текст по-русски и по-ивритски.
Records of births, marriages, and deaths from the Jewish community in Zlatopol', Chigirin, Kiev, Russia.
The territory of this historical locality has been incorporated into that of the present-day locality Novomyrhorod,
Novomyrhorod, Kirovohrad, Ukraine. Text in Russian and Hebrew.
Фонд 650, опись 1, дела 4-5, 8, 11-14.

Subjects
Россия, Киев, Чигирин, Златополь - Еврейские документы
Russia, Kiev, Chigirin, Zlatopol′ - Jewish records
Україна, Кіровоград, Новомиргород, Новомиргород - Єврейські записи
Ukraine, Kirovohrad, Novomyrhorod, Novomyrhorod - Jewish records

Format
Manuscript (On Film)

Language
Russian
Hebrew

Publication
Солт Лейк Сити [С.Ш.А.] : Микрофильмирован Генеалогическим обществом штата Юта, 2001

Physical
на 2 микрофильмах ; 35 мм.

Film Notes
Note - Location [Film]
Ф. 650, о. 1, д. 4 Бракосочетания 1858 - FHL INTL Film [ 2289317 Item 25 ]
Ф. 650, о. 1, д. 5 Рождения 185-? [стр. 13-34] - FHL INTL Film [ 2289317 Item 26 ]
Ф. 650, о. 1, д. 8 Рождения 1860 - FHL INTL Film [ 2289317 Item 29 ]
Ф. 650, о. 1, д. 11 Смерти 1860 - FHL INTL Film [ 2289318 Item 3 ]
Ф. 650, о. 1, д. 12 Бракосочетания 1861 - FHL INTL Film [ 2289318 Item 4 ]
Ф. 650, о. 1, д. 13 Смерти 1861 - FHL INTL Film [ 2289318 Item 5 ]
Ф. 650, о. 1, д. 14 Бракосочетания 1862 - FHL INTL Film [ 2289318 Item 6 ]
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Since Zlatopol records have been incorporated into Novomyrhorod RAHS, it might be worth it to obtain a PRIVACY RELEASE via your nearest Ukrainian Counsulate or Embassy and submitting an inquiry at Civil Registration Archives. They will not perform genealogy research, but you should be able to obtain documents: birth, death, and marriage.

Copy address to RAHS as is:

РАЦС Новомиргородського
районного управління юстиції
вул.К.Маркса, 26
м.Новомиргород 26000
Кіровоградська обл.
УКРАЇНА - UKRAINE

Re: Israel Brodsky / Brodzky family.

g3hqx — 2012-09-05 08:11:16Z

Hello,
I am John Brodzky, son of Horace the artist, and have read your message.

I would like to contact you regarding the Hart family tree.

In 1963 I visited the US and stayed with your grandfather Gerald!

My niece Felicia who lives in NY has just started a Brodzky website http://brodzky.myheritage.com

my email address is g3hqx@btinternet.com

I hope I might hear from you soon

Best wishes

John

Re: Zaharoff

sando1293 — 2012-08-01 06:34:02Z

I am a decendant of Victor Zolataroff who origionally migrated from China to Brazil then USA. He was my father now deceased. I do not know much of the history on my paternal side as he divorced my mother when I was five. All I know is that his mother was a successful business woman in China prior to the Communist take over. I would like to know if he had any decendants or if I am the last of his line. I now live in Tasmania Australia.

Re: The Brodsky family.

yuraded — 2012-07-15 18:22:57Z

Здравствуйте, мой отец Бродский Фроим Вениаминович родился в 1908г в мест. Новостародуб Александрийского уезда Херсонской губернии, теперь село Новостародуб Петровский район Кировоградской области. Его отец Вениамин умер в 1914 году, у него был двоюродный брат Исаак Григорьевич Бродский (умер в Коломне в возрасте 106 лет) и двоюродная сестра Софья Григорьевна Бродская, в замужестве Язовицкая, умерла в Москве в 1960г. У папы было две сестры - Фаня Бродская и Сима Аранович, они после войны жили в Дебальцево. А папину маму звали Хиня. Есть ли здесь Бродские, которые жили в Новостародубе?
Hello, my father Froim Brodsky was born in 1908 Veniaminovich in places. Novostarodub Alexandria County, Kherson Province, now the village Novostarodub Petrovsky district of Kirovograd region. His father Benjamin died in 1914, he was a cousin of Isaac Grigoriy Brodsky, (who died in Kolomna, at the age of 106 years) and a cousin Sofija Grigoriy Brodsky, Yazovitskaya in marriage, died in Moscow in 1960. My father had two sisters - Fanny Brodsky and Sima Aranovich, after the war they lived in Debaltsevo. A father's mother's name was Hynja. Is there Brodsky, who lived in Novostarodube?

Re: Elizavetgrad -- list of names and addresses from landsmanshaftn

JKAPULSKI42N — 2012-06-22 17:18:08Z

i have info on occupations and hx from e grad if you are still doing research......jean

Re: Ancestors from Elizabetgrad?

JKAPULSKI42N — 2012-06-14 15:01:20Z

i HAVE A POTASH FROM eLIZABETGRAD

Re: GUMBERG of Eilzavetgrad / Yelisabetgrad

RayCannata91 — 2012-03-26 05:33:25Z

Alexander Semenovich GUMBERG was a family friend of my Elizavetgrad ancestors. He was b. 26 June 1886, Elizavetgrad to a rabbi. Immigrated to US 1903; married Emma Frances “Frankie” ADAMS (b. 1893, CA), 27 May 1919. She died in 1969, using her maiden name of ADAMS. Alex became a famous guy, and some historians demonstrate, a spy for the Soviets.

He had a brother Zhenya GUMBERG

His oldest Brother was Capt. Veniamin GUMBERG (b. bef. 1886) Menshevik revolutionary anticommunist, sent to work camp 1930.

His youngest bro: Sergei “Zarin” GUMBERG – Bolshevik. postal minister.

I'd love to see you GOMBERG photos, which may match some of my unidentified Elizavetgrad photos.

Re: Elizabethgrad, Russia

Loiseq — 2012-02-24 05:17:46Z

I think I may be able to help you and probably am related to you. I am Ida Mollov's grandaughter. Her married name was Ida Krampf. I found a reference to Morris on the passenger list for my great grandfather, Sam Mollov whose original name was Chia Mogilewsky. Chia arrived in New York (from Belgium) on October 2, 1905. From the record, it looks like he was briefly detained to wait on his brother Moishe (Morris) who was already living in New York. He (Sam) had left behind in Russia his pregnant wife Rochel (Rose Mollov) and his daughter Ida. Rochel gave birth to their second daughter Molly who was born January 9, 1906 in Russia before travelling to New York with the girls to join Sam.

My mother Corinne, apparently your second cousin, remembers that Morris was a tailor who owned a tailor shop in Far Rockaway. She remembers visiting her Great Uncle Morris there when she was a child. I am curious where you live and who's child you are.

I already folded some of your info into the Miller Family Tree that I am building. Thanks to you I now know where my Great Grandfather Sam Mollov was from (I assume he too was from Elizabethgrad originally.) I would be happy to share with you anything I have found on our family. Ironically, I joined Ancestry.com to learn about the other side of the family, my father's side.

Looking forward to hearing back from you :)

Re: Rabbi Karklinsky

RayCannata91 — 2012-02-03 02:23:39Z

Great pics! But not familiar to me.

Rabbi Karklinsky

tallitot1 — 2012-02-03 00:01:53Z

Someone answered my query on Jewish Gen that my great grandfather, Rabbi Avraham Karklinsky, was a rabbi in Elisawetgard (Kirovohradska. ) I don't know if he was THE rabbi of the main synagogue, or what his exact position was.

One photo is of him. The other is of him (3rd from left, bottom row) with a large group of men. I'm wondering who these men were and what the occasion was.

If you have any information, please let me know.
His family immigrated to Boston, name changed to Carlin,but he stayed behind and died there.

Re: The Brodsky family.

ormasha — 2011-12-31 09:02:53Z

Gabriel,

My name is Masha Brodsky and I saw your threads here and interested in your book and family tree. I come from the branch of the sugar Brodskys that did not leave Russia until 1990s, and many people died during the war and we lost most of the info. My grandfather, Anatol (Naftali) Brodsky is the son of Moisej (Moshe) and grandson of Leib (Lev) Shmuil Brodsky, who was working with the family at the Zlatopol and Kiev sugar factories. He doesn't know which son of Israel we come from (although there was some talk of the oldest son), but his grandfather told him about coming from Shor-Brodskys.
Do you have any information on branches that were left in Russia (probably just us)?
Please email me at ormasha@hotmail.com, i'd love to read what you wrote about the family.
Best,
Masha

Re: The Brodsky family.

frilia1 — 2011-12-25 08:01:44Z

Thank you so much, Katia. Useful new info. Obviously we are of the same mispocha, and not far removed. Although you are 28 years younger than I, you are one generation closer to Lazar. My birth date is 1933. My father: Gregory < grandfather: Alexander < gr grandfather: Joseph, who was one of Leon's brothers. That's three generations back to Leon. Ages explain the generational difference: Leon was born 1857. So he was 52 yrs old when your father Vladimir was born; and your father was 52 when you were born. That's only two generations back to Leon. I am occasionally in touch with the author of "From Eminence to Exile," my 1st cousin. Like your Aunt Vera, her father Joseph (my uncle) was Belgian, having fled the Bolshevik regime. (See her first book, "Smoke Signals").

Re: The Brodsky family.

brodskyougi — 2011-12-25 04:11:16Z

hello. My grand father was Leon (Lev)Israelevitch Brodsky.( My great uncle was Lazar israelevitch Brodsky.)

He did not have 5 daugthters, but three (Macha,Klara, and Vera).
And 2 sons:Michael( died age 10 in Kiev) and Vladimir, my father.(1909-1983).

Macha was my aunt, I knew her as a child. She married Edmond Porges, died in Monte-Carlo, and has 2 children: Michel Porges (died in New York),two children and grand children living in America-and Florence (Lady) Packer,married to Lord franck Packer(died in Australia) who is still living in Monte Carlo.
Aunt Klara (married Poliakov) died deported from France during WW II with her husband. They had 3 children (I think?).
Aunt Vera (married Alexander Spoliansky) died in Belgium young.She has a son, Leon (Kissi)Spoliansky, living in Paris.He has a son, Dimitri.

My father, Vladimir Brodsky, had two daughters:Katia (me) and Macha.We have children too, no grand children yet.

I am born in 1961, with my father born in 1909...So I had some "fresh stories" from the Brodsky, and a family tree he had made from a Rabbi, with the Shor names etc.
Some pictures on this side of the family, maybe one of Lazar, my great uncle.

I have found alot of information in Alexandra Brodsky's book "From eminence to exile".

Hope this is some use to you,
regards,
Katia.

Re: Elizabetgrad - Krasnow cont'd

szegszag — 2011-11-21 19:30:21Z

Ray,

Yes I have all of these from the discussions the Bonoff group has had. I mainly posted here to try and see if there was a connection between Rebecca and any of the Krassnov's discussed on this Board. It is good to get that information out on a public Board though. You never know if someone will find a connection to it. Thanks for adding the info.

Incidently I believe the consensus of the Bonoff group was that the Chaya who married Jacob Berland was actually daughter of Arons brother Pesche. Some of us believe that Aron's Chaya is Sarah who married Walton.

John

Re: Elizabetgrad: the Pine Sisters

lawrenceharrisweinstein — 2011-11-21 13:03:40Z

Yes! Thank you-- will investigate !

Karen

Re: Elizabetgrad: the Pine Sisters

nvaynberg56 — 2011-11-21 03:29:47Z

https://familysearch.org/ Hope this will help.Good luck Nick

Re: Elizabetgrad: the Pine Sisters

Mighthelp — 2011-11-20 06:15:22Z

Records available only thru archival inquiry.

Locality/Town: KIROVOGRAD
Raion/Region: KIROVOGRAD
Oblast/District: KIROVOGRAD
Country: UKRAINE
Archive Name: STATE ARCHIVE OF KIROVOGRAD OBLAST
Archive Type: ARCHIVES
Document Type: BIRTH
Year List: 1854-1858; 1860-1880; 1882-1919
Fond/Opis/Delo: 185
________________________________________

Locality/Town: KIROVOGRAD
Raion/Region: KIROVOGRAD
Oblast/District: KIROVOGRAD
Country: UKRAINE
Archive Name: STATE ARCHIVE OF KIROVOGRAD OBLAST
Archive Locale: KIROVOGRAD
Archive Type: ARCHIVES
Document Type: CENSUS
Year List: 1811; 1816-1818; 1826-1831; 1861-1887; 1890-1917
Fond/Opis/Delo: 18 78
_________________________________________

Locality/Town: KIROVOGRAD
Raion/Region: KIROVOGRAD
Oblast/District: KIROVOGRAD
Country: UKRAINE
Archive Name: STATE ARCHIVE OF KHERSON OBLAST
Archive Locale: KHERSON
Archive Type: ARCHIVES
Document Type: CENSUS
Year List: 1858
Fond/Opis/Delo: 22/1/1
________________________________________

Locality/Town: KIROVOGRAD
Raion/Region: KIROVOGRAD
Oblast/District: KIROVOGRAD
Country: UKRAINE
Archive Name: STATE ARCHIVE OF KIROVOGRAD OBLAST
Archive Locale: KIROVOGRAD
Archive Type: ARCHIVES
Document Type: DEATH
Year List: 1857; 1859; 1862; 1864; 1870-1873; 1882-1888; 1895
Fond/Opis/Delo: 185
________________________________________

Locality/Town: KIROVOGRAD
Raion/Region: KIROVOGRAD
Oblast/District: KIROVOGRAD
Country: UKRAINE
Archive Name: KIROVOGRAD ZAGS ARCHIVE
Archive Locale: KIROVOGRAD
Archive Type: ZAGS OFFICE
Document Type: DEATH
Year List: 1896-1906; 1909-1919
Fond/Opis/Delo:
______________________________________

Locality/Town: KIROVOGRAD
Raion/Region: KIROVOGRAD
Oblast/District: KIROVOGRAD
Country: UKRAINE
Archive Name: STATE ARCHIVE OF KIROVOGRAD OBLAST
Archive Locale: KIROVOGRAD
Archive Type: ARCHIVES
Document Type: DIVORCE
Year List: 1857-1862; 1866; 1867; 1879-1888; 1890-1891
Fond/Opis/Delo: 185
____________________________________

Locality/Town: KIROVOGRAD
Raion/Region: KIROVOGRAD
Oblast/District: KIROVOGRAD
Country: UKRAINE
Archive Name: KIROVOGRAD ZAGS ARCHIVE
Archive Locale: KIROVOGRAD
Archive Type: ZAGS OFFICE
Document Type: DIVORCE
Year List: 1892-1901; 1906-1918
Fond/Opis/Delo:
______________________________

Locality/Town: KIROVOGRAD
Raion/Region: KIROVOGRAD
Oblast/District: KIROVOGRAD
Country: UKRAINE
Archive Name: STATE ARCHIVE OF KIROVOGRAD OBLAST
Archive Locale: KIROVOGRAD
Archive Type: ARCHIVES
Document Type: KAHAL/JEWISH COMM.
Year List: 1827-1845
Fond/Opis/Delo: 460 635
_______________________________

Locality/Town: KIROVOGRAD
Raion/Region: KIROVOGRAD
Oblast/District: KIROVOGRAD
Country: UKRAINE
Archive Name: STATE ARCHIVE OF KIROVOGRAD OBLAST
Archive Locale: KIROVOGRAD
Archive Type: ARCHIVES
Document Type: MARRIAGE
Year List: 1853-1855; 1857; 1859-1894; 1901; 1909-1912
Fond/Opis/Delo: 185
___________________________________

Locality/Town: KIROVOGRAD
Raion/Region: KIROVOGRAD
Oblast/District: KIROVOGRAD
Country: UKRAINE
Archive Name: KIROVOGRAD ZAGS ARCHIVE
Archive Locale: KIROVOGRAD
Archive Type: ZAGS OFFICE
Document Type: MARRIAGE
Year List: 1913-1919
________________________________

Locality/Town: KIROVOGRAD
Raion/Region: KIROVOGRAD
Oblast/District: KIROVOGRAD
Country: UKRAINE
Archive Name: STATE ARCHIVE OF KIROVOGRAD OBLAST
Archive Locale: KIROVOGRAD
Archive Type: ARCHIVES
Document Type: POGROMS
Year List: 1922-1923
Fond/Opis/Delo: P-3073
_______________________________________

Locality/Town: KIROVOGRAD
Raion/Region: KIROVOGRAD
Oblast/District: KIROVOGRAD
Country: UKRAINE
Archive Name: STATE ARCHIVE OF KIROVOGRAD OBLAST
Archive Locale: KIROVOGRAD
Archive Type: ARCHIVES
Document Type: SCHOOL RECORDS
Year List: 1926-1932
Fond/Opis/Delo: P-1804
__________________________________

Addresses:

State Archive of Kirovohrad Oblast
Address: 25013, Kirovohrad, vul. akad. Korol'ova,
3 (korp. 1); vul. Lunachars'koho, 1g (korp. 2)
Telephone: (38-0522) 23-71-10 (korp. 1); 22-68-60 (korp. 2)
E-mail: dakiro@romb.net
Website: http://www.archives.gov.ua/Archives/index.php?ra11

Director: Tamara Volodymyrivna Chvan'
Deputy Director: Tetiana Mykolaivna Kosenko
==========================================

ZAGS - District Level (Here you will need a PRIVACY RELEASE - ANTHEKA in order to make your inquiry. This can be obtained thru you nearest Ukrainian Consulate or Embassy.)

Відділ РАЦС Кіровоградського
районного управління юстиції
вул.Кільцева, 3-а
м.Кіровоград 25014
УКРАЇНА - UKRAINE

тел.: (0522) 56-70-79
No email address

Re: Elizabetgrad - Krasnow cont'd

RayCannata91 — 2011-11-17 22:54:18Z

vi. RACHAEL BONOFF was born about 1876 in Elizavetgrad, Russia. She died on 09 Apr 1939 in Bronx, NY. She married ZUSMAN LIST about 1895 in New Haven, CT. He was born about 1870 in Elizavetgrad, Ukraine.

vii. CHAYA BONOFF was born about 1879 in Elizavetgrad, Russia. She died on 25 Jul 1967 in New York, NY. She married JACOB L. BERLAND about 1902 in New Haven, CT. He was born on 29 May 1876 in Elizavetgrad, Ukraine. He died in Jul 1964 in New York, NY.

Re: Elizabetgrad - Krasnow cont'd

RayCannata91 — 2011-11-17 22:53:20Z

iv. LOUIS A. BONOFF was born about 1871 in Elizavetgrad, Russia. He died about 1944. He married MARY BAKER on 15 Mar 1896 in New Haven, CT, daughter of Abraham Zelman Baker and Etta Eda Baker. She was born about 1875 in Elizavetgrad, Ukraine. She died about 1944.

v. PESCHE BONOFF was born about 1874 in Elizavetgrad, Russia.

Re: Elizabetgrad - Krasnow

RayCannata91 — 2011-11-17 22:52:19Z

One of the BONOFF researchers sent me this:

ARON BONOFF (son of Shabati) was born about 1842 in Elizabethgrad, Russia. He died on 25 Mar 1908 in New Haven, CT. He married (1) REBECCA KRASNER before 1868 in Elizabethgrad, Russia. She was born about 1847 in Elizavetgrad, Russia. She died on 23 Jul 1914 in New Haven, CT. He married (2) LEHA. She was born before 1884 in Elizavetgrad, Ukraine. She died on 21 Oct 1891 in New Haven, CT.
Aron Bonoff and Rebecca Krasner had the following children:

i. SOLOMON4 BONOFF was born on 04 Sep 1861 in Elizavetgrad, Russia. He died on 17 Nov 1932 in New Haven, CT. He married (1) SHEYNA RAYSA TSIBULEVSKY (Ray's family name) on 13 Jun 1884. She was born about 1866 in Elizabethgrad, Russia. She died on 15 Mar 1905 in New Haven, CT. He married (2) BESSIE SCHNOTSKI about 1906 in New Haven, CT. She was born about 1883 in Elizavetgrad, Ukraine. She died on 13 Apr 1951 in New Haven, CT.

ii. RISSEL BONOFF was born on 10 Oct 1867 in Elizavetgrad, Russia. She died on 28 Jan 1908 in Connecticut. She married HILLEL CHERNOFF about 1889 in Elizavetgrad, Ukraine. He was born in Jan 1865 in Elizavetgrad, Ukraine.

iii. CHARLES A. BONOFF was born in Sep 1868 in Elizavetgrad, Russia. He died on 08 Jun 1952 in New York, NY. He married (1) SARAH about 1895. She was born about 1875. He married (2) YETTA MOSHONTZ on 26 Apr 1921 in Cleveland, Ohio, daughter of Moses Bloomfield and Rose Goldberg. She was born on 11 Nov 1880 in Austria. She died on 12 Dec 1970 in Riverside, California.

Re: Elizabetgrad - Krasnow

szegszag — 2011-11-10 19:35:26Z

Have Rebecca Krasner/Krasnov/Krasnow b 1843-7 Elisabetgrad. Daughter of Samuel Krasnovsky & Rita Samuel. Married Aron Bonoff/Bosinow. Imig 1891. Settled New Haven CT d 1914
Possible connection?

Re: Krasnoff in Ukraine

szegszag — 2011-11-10 17:37:58Z

Have a Rebecca/Rosa/Resa/Rivka Krasner/Krasnov/Krasnow/Krasnovsky b 1843-1847 in Elizabetgrad, Ukraine. daughter of Samuel Krasnovsky and Rita Samuels. Married Aron Bonoff/Bosinow. They came to US 1891. Settled in New Haven, CT. She d 1914.
Have you any connection?

Re: Records for deceased

nvaynberg56 — 2011-11-05 01:56:59Z

http://searches.rootsweb.ancestry.com/. You can check Social Security Death Index.

Records for deceased

1_vpickering — 2011-11-04 19:33:33Z

My elderly mother of 90 years of age has not heard from her sister for about 12 years. I recently sent a registered letter in August but it was returned yesterday, with unknown checked off in the box. My aunt has lived there forever and I believe that she has passed away or in a nursing facility and would like to find her. We live in Canada. Would like to know of any resources to find a record of death. Thanks.

Re: families of Zolotaryov and Dubensky

ernestscatton — 2011-09-27 14:09:42Z

Thanks for your response. Yes, I would like any contact information you have on Dubensky and Zolotarev families in Kirovograd. Email addresses are preferable, but postal addresses are OK, too. Although I speak Russian, I am unlikely to call them directly, without an initial contact.

Linda Scatton (wife of Ernest Scatton, who maintains the Ancestry account for us)

Re: Sam Brodsky

dkatofsky — 2011-08-17 06:31:29Z

My mom's first cousin's were the, Brodsky family, who immigrated to Brooklyn, NY, from Roumania, in the early, 1900's. Some family member's changed the last name to, Brod.

Re: Elisavetgrad Pogrom - April 1881

lorsyl2 — 2011-08-10 05:22:44Z

The letters should actually be written in Ukrainian, perferably in Russian. If you type the letter in English, I am sure they will hire or get a friend to read it for them. If you do not hear from the Verbitsky, let me know, as there are quite a few of them. Please get in touch with me, if you have any success. Good luck!
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Address in Ukrainian, for Poberetsky Valery, son of Ivan (John), born 1950

Поберецький Валерий Іванович
Попова 11 – 3 - 106
Кіровоград, місто
Кіровоградська область
Україна 25000
UKRAINE
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Address in Ukrainian for Dashevsky Ruslan, son of Fedor (Fredrick), born 1978

Дашевський Руслан Федорович
Правди 70А – 4 - 0
Кіровоград, місто
Кіровоградська область
Україна 25000
UKRAINE
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Address in Ukrainian for Dashevsky Vladimir (Walter), son of Hryhorii (George), born 1938

Дашевський Владимир Григорьевич
Комарова 19 – 0 - 16
Кіровоград, місто
Кіровоградська область
Україна 25000
UKRAINE
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Address in Ukrainian for Verbitsky Andrei (Andrew), son of Mykhailo (Michael), born 1936

Вербицький Андрей Михайлович
Пайаєва 5 – 3 - 83
Кіровоград, місто
Кіровоградська область
Україна 25000
UKRAINE
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Address in Ukrainian for Verbitsky Vladimir, son of Ruvin, born 1939

Вербицький Владимир Рувинович
Яновського 96 – 0 – 82
Кіровоград, місто
Кіровоградська область
Україна 25000
UKRAINE
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Re: Elisavetgrad Pogrom - April 1881

RayCannata91 — 2011-08-10 03:41:18Z

Mailing address, please. Thanks.

Re: Elisavetgrad Pogrom - April 1881

lorsyl2 — 2011-08-09 20:56:57Z

Do you wish to contact the four that I mentioned? I can provide you with an address, and/or phone number.

Re: families of Zolotaryov and Dubensky

lorsyl2 — 2011-08-09 05:25:58Z

Linda,

There are a few Dubensky (Дубенський) and quite a few Zolotarev (Золотарев), no Zolotaryov, living in Kirovograd. Would you like a few of their phone number and/or address?

Re: Elisavetgrad Pogrom - April 1881

lorsyl2 — 2011-08-09 02:20:42Z

kspkap1,

Поиск имен ПОБЕРЕЦКИЙ и ЦИБУЛВЕЦКИЙ/ЦИБУЛВЕСКИЙ(?)

Спасибо

Re: Elisavetgrad Pogrom - April 1881

RayCannata91 — 2011-08-09 00:53:32Z

Thanks! What kind of document(s) are these from? Are these living people still there?

Re: Elisavetgrad Pogrom - April 1881

lorsyl2 — 2011-08-08 22:38:10Z

Found some information for you.

Elizavetgrad, Kirovo, Kirovograd, Kirovohrad, Kirowo, Sinowjewsk, Yelizavetgrad, Yelizavety, Zinov’evsk, Zinovievsk, Zinov’yevsk

Family names found in Кіровоград – Kirovohrad - Кіровоград

Poberesky(?); Correction - Poberetsky (Ukr.)

One found:
Poberetsky Valery, son of Ivan (John), born 1950.
ПОБЕРЕЦКИЙ ВАЛЕРИЙ ІВАНОВИЧ 1950-01-14 КІРОВОГРАД ПОПОВА 11 3 106
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Dashevsky

Two found:
1. Ruslan, son of Fedor (Fredrick), born 1978
2. Vladimir (Walter), son of Hryhorii (George), born 1938

ДАШЕВСКИЙ РУСЛАН ФЕДОРОВИЧ 1978-04-30 КІРОВОГРАД ПРАВДИ 70А 4
ДАШЕВСКИЙ ВЛАДИМИР ГРИГОРЬЕВИЧ 236150 1938-08-05 КІРОВОГРАД КОМАРОВА 19 16
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Verbitsky - 35 found

The oldest:
Verbitsky Andrei (Andrew), son of Mykhailo (Michael), born 1936

ВЕРБИЦКИЙ АНДРЕЙ МИХАЙЛОВИЧ 552935 1936-12-14 КІРОВОГРАД ПАЦАЄВА 5 3 83

Re: Elisavetgrad Pogrom - April 1881

RayCannata91 — 2011-08-08 15:45:46Z

Alina, Have you made you visit to E-grad yet? Hope you found some things.
If you run across any Poberjesky / Poberezhsky, Tsibulvesky, Dashevsky, Verbitsky there (esp. the Poberjesky and Tsibulevsky) I'd be very interested. It'd be cool if you could take as many good photos of the Jewish cemetery as possible to post to JewishGen and flickr. Good luck!
Ray Cannata