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Re: JASINSKI

Mighthelp — 2013-06-18 18:16:32Z

Jasinski = English - Jasiński = Polish - Ясінський = Ukrainian - Ясинский = Russian - Ясінскі = Belarusyn

Today there are appx 4,300+ residents spread throughout Ukraine, who carry this surname. This surname is likely rooted in Polish word JASIN/JASIEN, which means ASH TREE.
Ash trees grow and mature faster than oak trees and lumber made from ash trees does not shrink like other wood products do when they are dried. Wood from ash is very durable and strong. Ash tree usage goes back to the ancient Greeks and Romans, who used the wood to make spears and agricultural tools. So surname likely means person, who worked w/ash trees in some way. He could have been a furniture maker, tool maker (handles made from ash lumber) or even a medicine man (lilac-like leaves have some medicinal value).

Re: Looking For Family

Mighthelp — 2013-06-18 16:05:01Z

You are likely looking for Podolskaya gubernia, which was a region during Czarist period. During Soviet Period, "Podolya" was broken down to several different regions: Vinnytska and Khmelnytska oblasts/regions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podolia_Governorate

http://www.sztetl.org.pl/en/selectcity/
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Greding in Galicia ???

One place w/various names:
Gorodok [Rus], Graydik [Yid], Gródek Jagielloński [Pol], Horodok [Ukr], Grayding, Greiding, Grodig, Grudek Yagyelonski, Hrudek, Gródek

Above is not the one you are looking for, but at least we know that it is a variant name for Grodek (means TOWN), except we are looking for the one formerly in Podolskaya gubernia/governate/region.
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I just looked at an old map of Podolskaya gubernia and see a Grudek??? Probably called Greiding as well. Now I have to find info.

Re: Please help translate Ukrainian/Russian to English

Mighthelp — 2013-06-18 14:00:39Z

Alexandbrook which I guessed as Alexandrowsk(from the handwriting)in Taurida

As per following site, looks like Alexandrowka.

Crimean Taurida Region
http://www.blackseagr.org/pdfs/village_list.pdf
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According to list in link above, colony was called Michajlevka or Michaelsdorf in (Crimea) Taurida.

???
I am going to GUESS and say it was Michlowa > Bialostok > Poland (bordering Belarus today) on the way to Libau (popular port w/Russian Germans)> Liverpool > Canada.
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General reading re embarcation ports:
http://www.progenealogists.com/germany/articles/gdepart.htm

Re: Please help translate Ukrainian/Russian to English

black_spencer — 2013-06-18 11:46:40Z

Thank you so much for your assistance, I really appreciate your help. Olga's confirmation had Prischib on it and her arrival into canada form had Weinhow so I guessed at Weinau and Roberts Arrival form to Canada had Alexandbrook which I guessed as Alexandrowsk(from the handwriting)in Taurida. 2 of my uncles were born in the Ukraine and/or Germany as they made their way to England to take a ship to Canada and on the Arrival form was Michlowa which I guessed as Michalowka. They could not speak english prior to going to Canada and I assume someone helped them with their forms. Thank you again for all of your help.

Re: JASINSKI

bsmwmx — 2013-06-17 23:55:27Z

Hi,
My gradmother name was Julia Helen Jasiński. He was adopted in 1918 in Chicago by Konstanty J. Jasiński and Mary Jasiński, maiden name Kaczor or Kaczorek. Konstanty and Mary Jasiński together with Julia in 1921 come back from USA to Poland to Kamieniec Litewski. Now Kamieniec is part of Belarus. Konstanty had many siblings. At this moment I know only Piotr Jasiński and Stanley. Stanley lived with Konstanty and Mary when they lived in USA.
Jasiński Family lived near Gumino, Płońsk in Poland or Niecpolsk, Poland.

Best regards,
Wojciech

Re: HUKOW

Mighthelp — 2013-06-17 19:35:46Z

Name of the town (6,000 today) is Shatsk = Шацьк in Ukrainian. During Interwar Period it was the battleground between the Poles and the Red Army in 1939. In that time frame it was in Luboml district. Today it is a district center w/appx 13 villages. It is possible that extended??? family ended up in Kharkiv. Stalin was not very happy w/anyone who voluntarily or involuntarily landed up in Germany. Their families landed up in resorts like Sakhalin in Siberia and Khazakstan and in the mines of the Donbas in Ukraine. Many people have returned to their homelands. I will check for the surname in both Kharkiv and Shatzk.

Maybe Grandmother was from Shatzk and Grandfather was from Kharkiv??? Until you get some paperwork from Bad Arolsen, everything is still a guess.

I did check for Hukow in Shatzk and found none.

Re: Info on Glina Family?

ZlaticaBeca — 2013-06-17 18:28:56Z

vlwalls35

Where was your ancestor born in the A-H
http://brainworker.ch/Oesterreich/Austria-hungary.png

In Poland: http://www.moikrewni.pl/mapa/kompletny/glina.html
In Slovakia Priezvisko HLINA sa na Slovensku v roku 1995 nachádzalo 81×, celkový počet lokalít: 19, v lokalitách:

42 GLINAs, 18 HLINAs show up in www.ellisislandrecords.org
Could your ancestor be among them?

Re: Info on Glina Family?

Mighthelp — 2013-06-17 16:23:20Z

What was the full name of your Immigrant Ancestor and appx when did he/she emigrate? Where did they settle upon immigration?

Ellis Island shows this surname as predominantly Jewish during the Great Immigration Period. Keep in mind that certain places did not exist as geopolitcal entities during this time frame. Ukraine could have been Czarist Russia/later Soviet or Galicia Province > Austro-Hungarian Empire. Poland also did not exist from late 18th century to 1919. It was either Austro-Hungary or Russia. Belarus is another country that was under various heels, like Kingdom of Poland and Czarist Russia and earlier even part of the Lithuanian Polish Empire. If indeed the surname is Jewish, please understand that surnames for Jews and Russian Peasants were not mandated by Czar until early 19th century. You will need to ascertain where your specific family came from, before moving your search to Eastern Europe. I suggest you accumulate as much documentation as possible and stay flexible w/transliterational (sounds-like) spelling. Glina could be Glyna - Glina - Glena. In Ukraine it might be Hlyna - Hlina. In most Eastern Slavic languages it means CLAY.

Info on Glina Family?

vlwalls35 — 2013-06-17 10:58:12Z

Does anyone know anything about the Glina family in these countries?: Ukraine, Russia, Austria, Hungary, Poland, and Germany. Thanks in advance!

Looking For Family

di12381 — 2013-06-17 02:13:56Z

Hello

My fathers paternal grandfather, Max Bernstein, emigrated from Polodsk, Russia before 1910. His wife, Sophie came from Greding, which was also in Russia.

If anyone has information on any mutual relatives or on the town, I would be grateful.

Thank you

Re: MEl'NYK

jcaccaro — 2013-06-16 04:31:49Z

My great grandfather was Arseny Melnick from Staraya Ushitsa, Ukraine. He settled in the Youngstown area in approx. 1916. Please let me know if there is any relation.

Re: 1976 Kiev telephone directory available

cladanchuk — 2013-06-15 06:31:03Z

I will :)

Thank You

Re: 1976 Kiev telephone directory available

Mighthelp — 2013-06-15 02:20:41Z

Just be careful !

Re: 1976 Kiev telephone directory available

cladanchuk — 2013-06-15 02:18:41Z

Thank You lorsyl2 for your information.

Re: 1976 Kiev telephone directory available

cladanchuk — 2013-06-15 02:13:58Z

Thank You Mighthelp,, I am definately not looking for trouble.

Re: 1976 Kiev telephone directory available

lorsyl2 — 2013-06-14 19:55:52Z

Hello Mighthelp,

Christine's messages are in different forums, and this sometime is difficult to keep track of.

And yes, you are correct. Through my visits to many villages in Ukraine, I have heard stories of families in Ukraine adopting families from North American. Even tour guides will warn you to be careful on how much info you give the family... I was warned when I arrived in my father's village. The driver asked the questions. And that was in 1996.

Thanks "H"

Re: 1976 Kiev telephone directory available

Mighthelp — 2013-06-14 19:19:37Z

Hello Sylvia.

Christine's Family was located a while back in Rakiv Lis, but thank you for your thoughtfulness. She is putting together a CLAN LIST and you and I both understand that these things can sometimes lead to trouble.

Re: 1976 Kiev telephone directory available

Mighthelp — 2013-06-14 19:12:34Z

Christine,

Ladaniuk/juk and Ladanchuk/czuk are two distinctly different surnames. The only thing they have in common is the root, which could mean BELOVED.

You might consider checking for the surname in places like Siberia and Khazakstan. Many Vohlynian families still have relatives there. Some just never returned to their homelands.

No offense meant, but I think these clan searches are an exercise in futility and they can get you into trouble. This is a world where accumulating relatives, who may not be your own, is very easy.

Re: 1976 Kiev telephone directory available

lorsyl2 — 2013-06-14 18:55:33Z

mighthelp... here is your message Posted: 8 Jul 2009

Quote...

"Feodor Ladenczuk/Ladenchuk was Vohlynian Ukrainian. Appx dob 1892. Records show he left mother, Anna Ladenczuk, behind in what is selo/village Rakiv Lic (can be translated to Crawfish Forest) today > Kamien-Kashyrskij raion/district > Vohlynska oblast/region > Ukraine.

Population of village today is 3,102."

Apparently there are Ladenchuk's still living in Rakiv Lic.

ЛАДАНЧУК НАДЕЖДА ВАСИЛЬЕВНА 0 1947-05-21 РАКІВ ЛІС НАБЕРЕЖНА 4 0 0
ЛАДАНЧУК МАРФА НИКОЛАЕВНА 0 1921-09-20 РАКІВ ЛІС ШЕВЧЕНКА 78 0 0
ЛАДАНЧУК ВИКТОР ВЛАДИМИРОВИЧ 0 1979-03-24 РАКІВ ЛІС НЕВІДОМА 0 0
ЛАДАНЧУК ФЕДОР ФЕДОРОВИЧ 0 1960-02-01 РАКІВ ЛІС ШЕВЧЕНКА 78 0 0
ЛАДАНЧУК ВЛАДИМИР ФЕДОРОВИЧ 0 1943-10-29 РАКІВ ЛІС НАБЕРЕЖНА 4 0 0

1. Vladimir, son of Fedor, born 1943, and his wife Nadezhda, born 1947, and their son Victor, born 1979.
2. More than likely, Vladimir’s mother, Marfa (Martha), born 1921.
3. Fedor, son of Fedor, born 1960, living with Marfa, born 1921 (mother and son?)
Vladimir and Fedor could be brother’s.

Address for Vladimir Ladenchuk:

Ладанчук Владимир Федорович
Набержна 4
Раків-Ліс село
Камінь-Каширський район
Волинська область
Україна 44524
UKRAINE

Good luck!
Sylvia - Wpg

Re: 1976 Kiev telephone directory available

egoryunov — 2013-06-14 04:53:12Z

Vera, where did you find this phone book? I would love to get a copy. Thanks!

Re: 1976 Kiev telephone directory available

cladanchuk — 2013-06-14 03:52:19Z

Thank You for taking the time to search for me. This name might be my family, to pronounce Ladanchuk: Ladanchook, so Ladanjuok might be them. Can you please provide the phone number and I will try calling it. Thank You, Christine

Re: 1976 Kiev telephone directory available

veranmiller — 2013-06-14 01:49:06Z

Sorry for the delayed response. I have been overwhelmed with family stuff. What names are you searching?

Vera
http://lostrussianfamily.wordpress.com/

Re: 1976 Kiev telephone directory available

veranmiller — 2013-06-14 01:47:50Z

Sorry for the delayed response. I did not find that name there. I only found Ladanjuok.

Vera
Find Lost Russian & Ukrainian Family
http://lostrussianfamily.wordpress.com/

Re: Goncharuk family

Mighthelp — 2013-06-13 04:04:09Z

Today selo/village Buzivka = Бузівка > Zhashkivskij raion/district = Жашківський район > Cherkaska oblast/region*** = Черкаська область > Ukraine, zip code 19243
http://beket.com.ua/wp-content/uploads/buzovka--121117--08.j...

LDS has filmed Orthodox Church Registers 1875-1921:
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/964477

How is your Russian? Actually these are Old Church Slovanic.
рождения, бракосочетания, смерти
birth, marriages, deaths

Kosma Nikitov/Nikitovych (son of Nikita)Goncharuk
Козма Ґончарук (Никитович -Никита )

Give it a try.

Although following site is geared for Galician Heritage, there is a tutorial re Old Church Slovanic, which should prove helpful. http://www.halgal.com/vitalrecords.html
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There are also some Soviet Era Records - Civil Registration (1921-1922)
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1283965

***Cherkaska oblast/region is one of the regions broken off from the Old Kyivskaya gubernia.
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There is still a Goncharuk/Honcharuk listed as living in Buzivka:
ГОНЧАРУК МАРИЯ ИВАНОВНА 0 1941-09-23 БУЗІВКА КОЛГОСПНА
Honcharuk, Marya (daughter of Ivan) dob 9/23/1941

BTW Grandfather's surname is rooted in Eastern Slavic word HONCHAR, which means POTTER.

Re: Goncharuk family

betross2 — 2013-06-13 00:30:34Z

From the documents I have, it looks like he came to Canada in 1913 via Montreal. He was born in the district of Tarashch, town of Olchanka, village Buzovka on July 15, 1890 as Kuzma Nikitovich Goncharuk. He had a brother Aleksei who was held in captivity in Germany (year u/k, location u/k). He was Russian orthodox. This information is all assumption that this is my grandfather. Everything seems to match with one exception: this person was married but he didn't marry my grandmother (an Acadian) until 1926. If it's my grandfather, was he married in Russia, did his wife die or did he commit bigamy?

Re: Please help translate Ukrainian/Russian to English

Mighthelp — 2013-06-12 13:31:27Z

I have had no success locating the place, but I did find paperwork for Olga Loch and she listed Weinhow as her birth place.

Using https://www.sggee.org/research/village_maps.html the closest place name I could find was Weinau/Voynau (Chapejevka> Tokmak district > Zaporizzhia region). This was mostly Mennonite turf and I think your Russian German Immigrant Ancestors were Lutheran???

Another search gives us following info re Weinau, which is probably more accurately Olga's colony of origin.
http://www.grhs.org/chapters/ket/villages/weinau_taurien.htm

I would think that Byrklynya-Vyrklynia would be somewhere nearby??? (I better take another look at the place in Russian. I am begin to wonder if this was not Vohlynia???)

I will do some more searching tomorrow in the lists of Prischib Colonies> Molochna District.

Re: Please help translate Ukrainian/Russian to English

black_spencer — 2013-06-11 22:04:22Z

Thank you so much, wow not what I expected but very lovely. Robert Peter Loch (wife Olga Schlegel). Where is Byrklynya-Vyrklynia?

Re: Please help translate Ukrainian/Russian to English

Mighthelp — 2013-06-11 14:12:46Z

As a good memory to Olga, daughter of Ivan.

Look, don't waste time.
Love, don't forget.

Petr (son of Fedor) either/or Byrklynya-Vyrklynia?

Love sincerely - forever gift

February 16, 1914

Re: Covali/Koval, Rabac and Toporivschi/Toporivskyj from Zarozhany (Zarojani), Khotin county

gabicovali — 2013-06-11 10:36:53Z

Thank you.
I still appreciate your help on tracking down family members.

Re: Covali/Koval, Rabac and Toporivschi/Toporivskyj from Zarozhany (Zarojani), Khotin county

rwf_TO — 2013-06-11 10:08:10Z

Gabriela,

You could create a family tree on Ancestry.com, then create a photo gallery for that tree. You can control access to the tree by marking it "public" or "private".

I'm not familiar with tracing family who were displaced or fled as a result of WW II. Perhaps there are other members who have had experience in this area who may be able to provide you with some direction. I will respond once I have better information on this subject.

Richard

Re: Covali/Koval, Rabac and Toporivschi/Toporivskyj from Zarozhany (Zarojani), Khotin county

gabicovali — 2013-06-11 07:36:20Z

Hi Richard,

I was hoping that this website has a picture functionality, I was thinking more of a community space, rather than a personal one. :)

Regarding my objectives: both of them are valid and important to me. I'd like to trace back my ancestors, as well as find out what happened to the rest of the family following World War II.

Thank you,
Gabriela

Re: Any relatives

lorsyl2 — 2013-06-11 05:31:40Z

Shmankovchyky = Шманьківчики (Cyrillic)
Krisko = Крисько (Cyrillic)

No Dzhyvra or Krisko in Shmankovchyky, and no Krisko in the nearby village Uhryn. There are Krisko's in the nearby town of Chortkiv.

For more information visit your nearby LDS, and order films for Shmankovchyky. Once you locate given names with birthdates, relatives may be found in Ukraine, if that is what you want.

Metrical books, 1785-1944 Greek Catholic Church. Szmańkowczyki (Czortków)

Title
Metrical books, 1785-1944

Authors
Greek Catholic Church. Szmańkowczyki (Czortków) (Main Author)

Notes
Microreproduction of manuscripts at the State Archives of the Ternopil′ Oblast.
Greek Catholic registers of births, marriages and deaths for Szmańkowczyki (Czortków), Galizien, Austria; later Szmańkowczyki (Czortków), Tarnopol, Poland; later SHman′kivchyky, Chortkiv, Ternopil′, Ukraine. Some title boards are incorecctly labeled as revision lists. Text in Latin, with some Polish or Ukrainian or Russian.
Record group 487, series 1, files 394-395.
Filmed with records from other villages.

Subjects
Austria, Galizien, Szmańkowczyki (Czortków) - Church records
Poland, Tarnopol, Szmańkowczyki (Czortków) - Church records
Україна, Тернопіль, Чортків, Шманьківчики - Метричні книги
Ukraine, Ternopil′, Chortkiv, SHman′kivchyky - Church records
Format
Manuscript (On Film)

Language
Latin
Polish
Russian
Ukrainian

Publication
Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 2002

Physical
on 2 microfilm reels ; 35 mm.

Film Notes
Note - Location [Film]
Volume 487-1/394 Births 1858-1914 -- Births 1919-1939 (some years missing and out of order) - FHL INTL Film [ 2350744 Item 2 ]
Volume 487-1/395 Marriages 1785-1944 (some years missing and out of order) -- Deaths 1875 - FHL INTL Film [ 2350744 Item 3 ]
Volume 487-1/395 (cont.) Deaths 1875-1913 (some years may be missing) - VAULT INTL Film [ 2350745 Item 1 ]
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If films for Shmankovchyky fail, try:
Metrical books, 1875-1910 Greek Catholic Church. Uhryń (Czortków)

Title
Metrical books, 1875-1910

Authors
Greek Catholic Church. Uhryń (Czortków) (Main Author)

Notes
Microreproduction of manuscripts at the State Archives of the Ternopil′ Oblast.
Greek Catholic registers of births, marriages and deaths for Uhryń (Czortków), Galizien, Austria; later Uhryń (Czortków), Tarnopol, Poland; now Urhyn′, Chortkiv, Ternopil′, Ukraine. Some title boards are incorecctly labeled as revision lists. Text in Latin, with some Polish or Ukrainian or Russian.
Record group 487, series 1, file 392.

Subjects
Austria, Galizien, Uhryń (Czortków) - Church records
Poland, Tarnopol, Uhryń (Czortków) - Church records
Україна, Тернопіль, Чортків, Угринь - Метричні книги
Ukraine, Ternopil′, Chortkiv, Uhryn′ - Church records
Format
Manuscript (On Film)

Language
Latin
Ukrainian
Polish
Russian

Publication
Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 2002

Physical
on 1 microfilm reel ; 35 mm.

Film Notes
Note - Location [Film]
Volume 487-1/392 (no title board) Births 1876-1910 -- Marriages 1875-1882 -- Marriages 1884-1899 -- Deaths 1877-1882 -- Deaths 1884-1899 - FHL INTL [ 2350743 Item 3 ]

Re: Any relatives

merupert96 — 2013-06-10 21:55:20Z

http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&d...

Well, I've found this. He's called "John" here but it must be him. My father was his son Anthony born in 1910.

Re: Covali/Koval, Rabac and Toporivschi/Toporivskyj from Zarozhany (Zarojani), Khotin county

rwf_TO — 2013-06-10 21:18:58Z

Hi Gabriela,

When you create a new thread, or reply to an existing one, there is a function to attach files. However, there is a practical limit imposed by Ancestry.com as to the size and the number of files that you can attach (I just don't know exactly what those limits are).

Another option is to add your files to a document server, such as Google Drive or Microsoft SkyDrive. You would need to register first, but it's fast and it's free.

The advantages are that Google Drive and MS SkyDrive allow you much more disk space to upload more documents, and you can also control who can see them. That way, you can be sure that they are being used for a noble cause.

I also re-read your first post. The direction that Mighthelp and I have given you so far will enable you to identify several generations of your Zarozhany ancestors from 1841-1932. Is that one of the objectives of your family search?

It also seems to me that another part of your search involves locating or determining the fate of your family members as a result of the horrific events that took place at the beginning of World War II.

Am I correct in my interpretation? If this is true, then you will need another strategy to achieve that objective.

Regards,

Richard

Re: Covali/Koval, Rabac and Toporivschi/Toporivskyj from Zarozhany (Zarojani), Khotin county

gabicovali — 2013-06-10 10:54:44Z

Hi,

I was wondering if there's a photo section of this platform.
You can make connections from people's photos as well (what they wore, accessories, objects in the pictures etc).
I have some photos and I would be fine with sharing them for a noble cause.

Thanks,
Gabriela

Re: Shandruk, Gotch, Gocz

Mighthelp — 2013-06-10 02:39:32Z

Attn: SB

Grandfather's exp as a POW (Prisoner of War).
http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007184

Following site (in German - use online translator) contains a database of appx 700,000, listing Soviet POW taken by Germans:
http://www.dokst.de/main/node/1126

Re: Shandruk, Gotch, Gocz

ja40bj — 2013-06-10 02:26:02Z

So, we are related through my grandmother Pelahia. What is the relation of your grandmother to my grandmother? Are you on Facebook? My e-mail is ajhall1920@gmail.com.

Re: Covali, Rabac and Toporivschi from Zarozhany (Zarojani), Khotin county

gabicovali — 2013-06-10 01:25:40Z

Thanks! That's so sweet and nice of you. :)

Re: Covali, Rabac and Toporivschi from Zarozhany (Zarojani), Khotin county

Mighthelp — 2013-06-10 01:16:43Z

Gabriela,

Terrific! You will finally be able to put all those questions to rest. Once you have completed your research, I will be more than happy to look for any surviving families still residing in the village.

Wishing you everything you wish for yourself.

Re: Covali, Rabac and Toporivschi from Zarozhany (Zarojani), Khotin county

Mighthelp — 2013-06-10 01:10:52Z

Gabriela,

LDS has filmed both the Church Records from the Orthodox Church of St. Michael the Archangel (1875-1932)
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1392707

and some Civilian Registration Records
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1879256

I found only one LDS Family Library Center in Romania:

Centru de Genealogie de Ploiesti (Ploiesti Romania Family History Center)
Rudului Nr 19 PLOIESTI ROMANIA
+40 44-196-126
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Any records that are newer than 1932 can be found in Khotyn RAHS and require a PRIVACY RELEASE as per international law, which can be obtained through your nearest Ukrainian Consulate or Embassy. RAHS do not perform research. What they will provide is a copy of a specific record of interest.

Address to Khotyn RAHS (no email available)

РАЦС Хотинського районного
управління юстиції
вул. Свято-Покровська, 60
м. Хотин 60000
Україна - Ucraina
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Richard (rwf) is very knowledgeable regarding metrykal materials for Bukowyna Province. His roots are Bukowynian. He has experience researching LDS Films and he is always happy to share his knowledge w/others researching this region.
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Axenia Vasilii Covali and Feodor Grigorii Covali - which I don't know what to make of

Oksana ? (Ksenia) - daughter of Wasyl - Koval and Feodor (baptised Teodor - no TH sound in Eastern Slavic Languages, including Ukrainian) - son of Hryhorij/Gregorij - Koval.

Re: Shandruk, Gotch, Gocz

SBMaynard2009 — 2013-06-09 23:02:55Z

Pawlo Shandruk/Anastasia Gocz-Shandruk are my grandparents.

If memory serves me right, I did meet John and Lisa when they were in Va.

Re: Shandruk, Gotch, Gocz

ja40bj — 2013-06-09 22:19:07Z

John Skuba is my moms brother, and she was next to the youngest of 11 children. My mom was the maid of honor at their wedding, and it was through aunt Lisa that my mom met my dad in South Dakota. Charles is my first cousin. Who is your family.

Re: Covali, Rabac and Toporivschi from Zarozhany (Zarojani), Khotin county

gabicovali — 2013-06-09 22:03:47Z

Hi Richard,

Thank you for all the details.
I live in Bucharest, so the address is very convenient.
I'm going to start the research this week, so I may bug you from time to time with a few questions.

Fingers crossed!. :)

Best,
Gabriela

Re: Covali, Rabac and Toporivschi from Zarozhany (Zarojani), Khotin county

rwf_TO — 2013-06-09 21:45:43Z

Hi Gabriela,

Yes, you have the process correct.

(1) Locate the Family History Centre in the city and country nearest you.

(2) Telephone your centre to inquire about ordering the microfilms. Some locations will let you place an order by phone or by visit, while other locations will ask you to order online. See the links below if you are ordering online.

(3) When your order arrives, they will advise you. You will then go to your centre to view the microfilms. They will hold the microfilms at the centre until you are finished, or until the rental period has expired.

If you live in Romania, there is also another Family History Centre in București:

Centru de Genealogie Mihai Bravu
Şoseaua Mihai Bravu, Nr. 495-497
București, Sector 3, ROMANIA
Tel.: +40-21-346 55 83

If you live elsewhere, visit the following link to find a centre near you: https://familysearch.org/locations/centerlocator

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Re: Covali, Rabac and Toporivschi from Zarozhany (Zarojani), Khotin county

gabicovali — 2013-06-09 21:12:17Z

To make sure I got this right - I haven't used the microfilm system until now - what I do is place an order for the microfilm I want to borrow, and a copy of the item will be sent to the centre in Ploiesti (address written by you), after which I consult it and give it back ?

p.s.: I checked one of the documents I have - Axenia's parents are Vasili (Wasyl) and Elena Toporivschi (Toporivskyj).

Re: Covali, Rabac and Toporivschi from Zarozhany (Zarojani), Khotin county

gabicovali — 2013-06-09 19:49:26Z

Thank you! :)
I'll check the records, see what I can find out.
It's been kind of a mystery for such a long time, and now that even small info clear up I have a strange feeling.

Re: Shandruk, Gotch, Gocz

SBMaynard2009 — 2013-06-09 19:04:46Z

I think my gm Anastasia was born 1920 in Ukraine/Poland. She married my gf before coming to the US in 1946, through Ellis Island.

I know my gm Anastasia had a brother,Alexander, and a sister (no name yet) who raised her after their mother died.

My dad thinks she had an uncle, John Skuba who was their sponsor to U.S so Skuba was her moms maiden name.

So there is a John, Leisa and Charles Skuba that belong on our list somewhere.

Re: Covali, Rabac and Toporivschi from Zarozhany (Zarojani), Khotin county

gabicovali — 2013-06-09 18:25:38Z

Hi to both of you,

Thanks for taking the time, I very much appreciate it.

Richard is right: Toporivschi is the name written in a Romanian translated document.

Regarding my ancestors:
the info I have is scarce. Part of the family branch ran to Romania, where they had a time of terror during the communist period, therefore my grandfather wouldn't exactly share the info he knew. Silence was gold.
I have never met my great grandparents, they died before I was born.
I know very little, which can be summed up as follows:

Storyline:
My great grand father was Feodor Covali, he was married to Xenia and together they had one child Ioan (Ion/John).
Xenia presumably had some siblings (one or two sisters).
Feodor worked at the town hall. They also own part of the forest in the area.
Just before the russians armies arrived they left for Romania, the other relatives (Xenia's sisters) remained behind, saying they were planning to go to the USA.
And the story breaks off here.

Religion:
I guess they were Christian ortodox, but I am not rulling out any other religion.

Languages:
Feodor Covali spoke at least Romanian and Ukrainian, while Xenia only Ukrainian.

Names & spelling:
I know the names may vary due to the languages transliteration.
I have some files in which they appear with the names Axenia Vasilii Covali and Feodor Grigorii Covali - which I don't know what to make of.
In other files they are simply Teodor and Xenia.
Part of the documents say the owned some land in Dibrovca & Cociorva (in Zarozhany).

Irina Vasilii Ciglei (Toporivschi) and Daria Timofei Rabac (Toporivschi) appear on some other files. I know know who they are, i was hoping they were Axenia's sisters.

@Mighthelp:

"Your ancestral village is a picturesque place:
http://www.panoramio.com/photo_explorer#view=photo&posit..." yes, it seems like Eden, right before the apple fall. :)

Re: Shandruk, Gotch, Gocz

Mighthelp — 2013-06-09 18:24:48Z

ja40,

Zandranova [Ru] Zyndranowa[Polish]

Krosno District, present day SE Poland

Lemko Surnames cited by Krasovs'kyj from 1787 Austrian Cadastral Records

Bek
Blycha / Blykha
Wanca / Vantsa ( 3 families)
Gabala / Gabawa / Gabla ( 2 families)
Hamula / Hamuwa
Gynda / Ginda / Geda
Holuta / Holjuta ( 2 families)
Gocz / Goch
Husar / Chusar
Demus
Drymak
Dudyk / Dudik ( 2 families)
Jezuita / Jezuita
Kaplon
Kydala
Knysz / Knisz / Knysh
Kondrat
Kukiela / Kukela ( 3 families)
Lazorczyk / Lazorchyk ( 2 families)
Lusnia / Ljushnja
Madzey / Madzej ( 2 families)
Machelski / Makhel's'kyj
Macek / Matsek ( 2 families)
Osuch / Osukh (5 families)
Petryk ( 3 families)
Pilip / Pylyp ( 3 families)
Przybiliak / Prybyljak
Prochnawy / Prokhnavyj ( 3 families)
Rochaz / Rohach ( 2 families)
Rusnak
Sawczak / Szawczak / Savchak ( 2 families)
Skorodynski / Skorodyns'kyj
Sliwka / Slivka ( 2 families)
Telepko
Tymus
Tytko
Farbaniec / Farbanets'
Fedas ( 3 families)
Fecula / Fetsula ( 2 families)
Fuczyla / Fuchyla
Chomiak / Homiak / Khom'jak ( 2 families)
Copak / Tsopak
Ciura / Tsjura ( 2 families)
Czomeko / Chomko ( 4 families)
Szyika / Shyjka ( 2 families)
Szymko / Shymko ( 2 families)
Stochmal / Shtokhmal' ( 2 families)
Jawilak / Javyljak ( 7 families)

Parish Data: [from Blazejowskyj and Iwanusiw]

Saint Nicholas [1897] [still standing]

The wooden church , now destroyed replaced an older church dating to 1720. The first mention of a parish is from 1706 when the owner Sofija Zborowska donated the land to Ihnatij Pashnjans'kyj since the former property was confiscated by the family of the former pastor o. Vasyl' Barvin'sky who had died 6 years earlier.

In 1785 the village lands comprised 19.82 sq km. There were 618 Greek Catholics 0 Roman Catholics and 9 Jews

1840 - 778 Greek Catholics

1859 - 720 Greek Catholics

1879 - 765 Greek Catholics

1899 - 836 Greek Catholics

1926 - 756 Greek Catholics

1936 - 920 Greek Catholics

The village was incorporated in to the Lemko Apostolic Administration in 1934

In 1936 there were 109 Roman CAtholics 9 Orthodox and 41 Jews

Filial parish was BARVINOK 2.5km away

LDS microfilm not available
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"Life of Lemko" written by Fedor Gocz (Director of Lemko Museum in Zyndranowa)
http://www.beskid-niski.pl/index.php?pos=/lemkowie/wspomnien...

I prefer using Bing Translator for translation of Slavic languages:
http://www.bing.com/translator

Today there are several Lemko families in selo Zandranowa, who have made their way home post Wisla Operation.

There are some very old GC Church Registers (1784-1843 Zandranova), that have been filmed by LDS.
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/349480

Following is exc site for anyone researching their Galician heritage:
http://www.halgal.com/vitalrecords.html
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I will look for newer records in the next few days.

PS>
Anastasia would have been called Nastia by family and friends.

Wasyl equivalent to Basil in English. Immigrants frequently anglicized this given name to William or Charles.

Re: Covali, Rabac and Toporivschi from Zarozhany (Zarojani), Khotin county

rwf_TO — 2013-06-09 17:45:09Z

Hi Gabriela and Hannia,

Based on the transliteration of the surnames in question, I'm assuming Gabriela found them in a document written in Romanian, and/or Gabriela's ancestors may have considered themselves ethnically Romanian.

Toporivschi (Rom.) = Топорівський (Ukr.) = Toporivskyj (Ukrainian -> English transliteration). It's unclear to me if this is a surname or if it is in reference to a village name.

Gabriela: can you clarify if Toporivschi is one or the other, and if your ancestors spoke Ukrainian or Romanian?

Regards,

Richard