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Re: Seaman's Lodging House in East Boston, MA

mugsy37 — 2013-06-18 19:34:05Z

What are you referring to?

Re: Seaman's Lodging House in East Boston, MA

mugsy37 — 2013-06-18 19:32:26Z

What was your father's name?

Re: Seeking help with surnames "Psaledakis" and "Zoulenakis"

filmwaves — 2013-06-15 22:02:37Z

I will try to be more helpful.
Both names you are interested in, are very difficult to search, especially Zoulinakis. I will be very surprised if you succeed.
The name Psalidakis is "easier" but it will take time.
The "original" name here is Psalidas and/or Psalidis (some spell it with two "L"). I say the "original" because there was another surname before that.

As you know Psalidi = Scissors. Who uses Scissors? A Taylor of course.
So, a person, surname unknown, was a "Taylor" and had a eye catching pair of Scissors (size, decoration, who knows). Fo various reasons he became known as the "man" with the "Scissors" (Psalidi) and was forced to change his name to Psalidis or Psalidas. That happened some 300 years or more ago. Athanasios Psalidas was a well known educator in Corfu around 1740. Most of the early Psalidas/Psalidis families lived in Epirous area, Northern Greece. They had one thing in common, very religious and many of them were Priests. It is not surprising therefore that the first record of the Psalidis in Crete are two Priests.

in Nov.1716 members of the Psalidis family in Crete, were taken prisoners and send to Spinallonga Including Androulis Psalidis (Priest) son of Manolis; and his son also Manolis; Another Manolis Psalidis son of Elgios. There are quite few more.

There is no record of the spelling "Psalidas" in Crete. Sometime between 1820 and 1870 a Father (Psalidis) or both parents were killed or separated from the children and some of the children if not all were "called", "Ta Psalidakia" and the name Psalidakis was created.

There are not many "Psalidakis" around before 1870. The Metropolite I mentioned must be a relative. You should be able to find information about his parents, brothers/sisters, etc in a Church Library. You may also find stories about other Psalidis Priests in Crete.

It is important to find out when the name changed from Psalidis to Psalidakis and why.

The best way to start is from the wives names and families. Do you have any wives names?

Re: Seeking help with surnames "Psaledakis" and "Zoulenakis"

filmwaves — 2013-06-15 11:52:29Z

Your message should have never been placed here. You should also check your facts before you post anything.

King Richard I the Plantagenet, King of England did marry Berengeria of Navarre (as he second wife) the 12 of May 1992 in the St. George Chapel of Limasol, Cyprus.
However, that has nothing to do with Coultas simply because Coultas was not there. It is highly questionable if he did exist those days.
For the name to exist there must be a village or city of the same age with that name in Great Britain, There is None. I have ALL crusaders in my data base and the name Coultas is not there.

Re: Seeking help with surnames "Psaledakis" and "Zoulenakis"

jedh1 — 2013-06-15 11:47:32Z

In ANY case, you should have started an entirely new thread. This thread had nothing to do with anything remotely resembling "Coultas". The only similarity was the request for help with the original name.

I've been researching for over 40 years, and online for over 20 now (starting with the Bulletin Boards in the 80s).

On KEY to success is ensuring you're in touch with the right audience. Look at the SUBJECT of the discussion. If your discussion is related to THAT discussion, continue it, but if it is a "side" discussion, either start a new thread, or put "Was blah blah blah now blah blah blah." so that people who follow these threads realize it's changed. Also, for those who DON'T use it, on the Ancestry message boards, there is a little box under this text entry box in which to enter surnames that are part of the post, making it easier for others to locate "discussions" of interest.

Personally, I could care less about Coultas, that has only managed to clutter my inbox with alerts about someone responding to my initial posting, when, in fact, that isn't the case at all.

In the old days, we'd call this "hijacking the thread." I'm not asking anyone to apologize or remove comments, simply to understand how this is all SUPPOSED to work. You just happened to be the one that set my tolerance limit off, so *I* apologize for that...

Peace,

Jared

Seeking help with surnames Calogerides(is) and Cryssafis

Jewelsy2go — 2013-06-15 00:02:53Z

My g grandfather Jean Calogeridis came from Constantinople. My grandmother Pearl sometimes spelled it Kalagerides. That is all I know about my grandmother Pearl, her mother's name was Maria (Mary) also from Constantinople. My grandfather was Paolos Cryssafis(Paul Criss). Chryssafis, Cryssafis, Chrissafis are other spellings. His father was Athanasse Chrissafis, they all immigrated around 1912 and 1913 from Monaster, Greece or Monastirion, Greece. I am really looking for who my grandparents parents were and why they never liked to talk about their families and Greece.

Re: Seeking help with surnames "Psaledakis" and "Zoulenakis"

stefyung — 2013-06-14 23:27:00Z

My error. It was King Richard I in 1190 in Cyprus during the Third Crusade. He married Berengaria on May 12, 1191.
Stephen

Re: Spetsai Island

canaras — 2013-06-14 22:05:36Z

Spetses Island is in Greece. It is sometimes called Spetsai.

Re: Seeking help with surnames "Psaledakis" and "Zoulenakis"

filmwaves — 2013-06-14 20:59:21Z

"Family fokelore says the family was involved when the English stopped in Crete on the way to the Crusades. England governed Crete for several hundred years around this time".

A ridicules statement/comment. British have never been in Crete and never had anything to do with Crete (other then interfering during the second world war"). Crete was a Venetian colony from 1206-1669 and after that under Turkish control. Before 1206 Crete was under Byzantine control with Saracen invaders from time to time.

To my knowledge, nobody with the name Coultas participated in one of the Crusades. It is not a Greek name and if it is a "New" Greek name it wouldn't be more than 120 years old. It is British name that sounds like Greek like Curtis, Finnis, etc.

Re: Seeking help with surnames "Psaledakis" and "Zoulenakis"

stefyung — 2013-06-14 17:33:54Z

I am researching the Coultas name. I do not know the Greek spelling. I feel it is Greek for several reasons. First a cousin was approached at Univ of California, Berkeley to join the "Greek Society" (not a sorority). Another cousin was doing reseach and felt the name went back to Greece. I have traced it through parish records back to Pickering, Yourshire, England around 1662. There is poetry that references Robbert Coultas published around the 12th century. Family fokelore says the family was involved when the English stopped in Crete on the way to the Crusades. England governed Crete for several hundred years around this time. The Coultas family came back to Yorkshire with the king. It is a very strange request. I can't trace back by civil records, but thought if the name exists in Crete DNA might be a way to jump the time gap.
Stephen

Zizos, Yialitaki, Panagotopoulos, Macandreas, Kamioraki, Mavromihalakis

NicoleGulledge — 2013-06-12 11:42:57Z

I have been working on our family tree. Family names are Zizos, Yialitaki, Panagotopoulos, Macandreas, Kamioraki, Mavromihalakis. Does anyone know any of these names?

Greek Navy research

daniel_panella — 2013-06-12 01:30:48Z

Does anyone know of who I could contact or any resources that I could use to find out information on my Grandfather's service in the Greek Navy during WWII?

Re: For filmwaves

NicoleGulledge — 2013-06-08 18:05:11Z

Great! I'm glad I sent them to you then. This is the link I used.
http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=1616&hoot...

Re: For filmwaves

filmwaves — 2013-06-08 04:31:04Z

Thank you. I did not know them and I added them in My data base. I will check later to see if I can find more.

regards
George

For filmwaves

NicoleGulledge — 2013-06-07 23:58:17Z

Dear Filmwaves, I found these and thought they might be of interest to you. I don't know if you've seen them already but this is a name you sai you are interested in. See attachments. Nicole Zizos Gulledge.

Re: Korentos

PatMoreland62 — 2013-06-07 13:06:35Z

thanks will try that spelling.

Re: Korentos

filmwaves — 2013-06-07 06:26:55Z

The name you are looking for is KOURENTZIS from Alatsata, Asia Minor.
The other name just do not exist (if they do is by accident).

(KOURTZIS maybe a shortenned version).

Korentos

PatMoreland62 — 2013-06-05 17:10:12Z

If anyone is at the Syracuse Library could they look up a death notice in the paper for a Sadie Korentos, died May 16 1929 and buried on the 18th.
They lived at 101 Lincoln Ave which I think was also a restaraunt.
I live in Canada and would greatly appreciate this.

Korentos

PatMoreland62 — 2013-06-05 16:59:54Z

Looking for information on a Thomas Korentos, born 1892 in Greece, father Louis and Mom Helen Holland both from Greece. 1929 had a restaurant in Syracuse, New York. Wife Sadie died in 1929 in Syracuse and by 1938 he was in Canada and had died.
Last name could have been spell Kourentis, Kourenti, Chorentis or Kouranta.
1917 he had a son born in Canada.
Thomas could be different in Greek as well.

Re: Last name shortened during immigration to USA

filmwaves — 2013-06-04 23:22:26Z

Diane Parr, daughter of Norman and Frances, married 1985 Michalis Panteleakos (correct name Pantelakos), born 1937 in Mani, Peloponnese. Both parents Greek and born in Greece before 1915.
When parents do not speak Greek, especially the mother, a Greek speaking daughter or sons in law is always preferred. Did she speak Greek?

Re: Last name shortened during immigration to USA

filmwaves — 2013-06-01 22:07:24Z

I must admit Parr is not a name I am interested in because I never considered it to be Greek.
Unfortunately, American Greeks, although most of them are very proud to be of Greek origin, some completely "destroy" their names as if they try to hide something or do not want to be found. The last 10 days, I downloaded about 500 obituaries from USA and I must say, some of these changes do not make me very happy and I do feel sorry for people like yourself, trying to find who they are but have nothing to work on. I also have lost relatives in USA that I can not find, but I do not give up.

Now lets check the facts:
Names: Virginia is not a Greek Orthodox name, the Greek equivalent is "Parthenos". Robert is not a Greek name and has NO Greek equivalent.
George & Kathlyn are used by Catholics and Orthodox. Lucille is not a Greek name, the Greek equivalent (Translation) is "Loukia" and is never used. SO the first names indicate Catholic Anglo-Saxon back ground.

PARRHIMENOLOUS: It consists of two parts: the prefix PARRHI and the first name MENOLOUS.

In Greece we have the following names that start with the letter "M". Manolis, Manoussos, Menios, Manthos, Markos, Menelaos, Minas, Minos and Markellos.

From all the above, "Manolis" is the closest to Menolous. So, the second name is either Manolas or Manolou if it refers to a women.

The prefix "PARRHI" does not exist: Greeks use the following prefixes: Papas, Pappas, Hatzis, Karas, Mavros, Kontos, Maestros (Mastro), etc,The Greek language has not names or words that use two "R", and in translations, the letter "H" rarely follows another Greek letter with two exemptions, the letter "R" as in "Rhodes", "T" as in "The" and "C" as in "Ch". So, It does not matter how you looks at it, nothing fits.

A name that comes close, from unknown origin, but has nothing to do with "PARR" is "PARREN.
Kalliope Parren, 1861-1940, born in Rethymnon, Crete, was the first Women activist in Greece, pushing the importance of Women in society as the published and editor of her women magazine.

Now have a look at this: English letters: Pappas. Greek letters: Παρρας

The only difference is the first Capital letter "P". the Latin small "p" and the small Greek letter "p" are identical.

This mixup is obvious when you check the names "Paraskevopoulos", one person shortened it to "Parras" the others mistook the Greek "ρ" for English "p" and shortened their names to "Pappas".
There is an answer to everything.

The ionian Islands, for numerous years and around 1840-1880 (Check history) were under British control. There were many British families of Officers and their relatives in Corfu, Zante, Lefkas, etc.You will find your family among those officers or supporters of the army. It is possible that one (Robert) married a Greek/Venetian lady and had a son named George who had a son named after his father Robert.

The person you are looking for is Robert Parr, born around 1850 in Corfu (or Ionian Islands),

The question you must ask is: Who from the British Parr family, was a soldier and served in "Greece" around 1850?

My Grand Uncle Daniel Browne died 1916 _Cemetery search please

KathrynBryant1 — 2013-05-31 19:05:47Z

Hello, my grand uncle, Daniel Browne died 25 November 1916. He was in the Royal Field Artillery. He was born in Ireland but sadly died in Greece. The Cemetery details are below. I was wondering if anyone out there lives near this Cemetery and would be willing to look out his grave for me please. I live in England and have only just found out Daniel died in Greece. Not sure if there is a headstone or similar but if anyone would be willing to visit and take a photo this would be very much appreciated by myself and our family. If you need any more information then please do not hesitate to contact me. If anyone could take a photo then I would private message you with my email address.

Salonika (Lembet Road) Military Cemetery
Thessaloniki
Regional unit of Thessaloniki
Central Macedonia, Greece
Plot: 701

Kind regards

Kathryn

Re: Last name shortened during immigration to USA

ddharris6605 — 2013-05-30 18:38:22Z

This is a picture of my grandfather. You can see the Greek descent. My father had similar features. This is why I am relatively certain that my Ancestry is Greek and not English/British - I have just about given up my search here. I am hitting nothing but dead ends or searches that produce no results at all when I narrow the search to "Greece".

Re: Last name shortened during immigration to USA

ddharris6605 — 2013-05-30 18:17:03Z

filmwaves - What are you putting in the search criteria that you are finding British/English "Parr"s born in Greece. I am not having any luck with that search. I am finding a lot of Parr(s) but they were all born in England/Britain. While I am sure that my grandfather was born in Greece, I am not entirely positive that my great grandfather was - What I can tell you is that my grandfather's and my father's looks had the olive skin, which is a feature known among Greeks.

Re: Last name shortened during immigration to USA

ddharris6605 — 2013-05-30 17:23:49Z

My great-grandfather was definitely born and raised in Greece. This I know for sure. He and my great grandmother - Virginia - migrated to the US sometime around 1914 but my great grandfather moved back to Greece some years later. My grandfather received letters from him after his move back to Greece, that had to be translated by an Attorney here in Fredericksburg that was of Greek descent (Pappas). The attorney that translated the letters for my grandfather is now deceased, as is my grandfather. I do not believe that my great grandfather's ancestors were British, but I could not be 100% positive. No one in my family has ever been told that they were anyway. Sue Parr is my first cousin. I grew up with her. She and I are trying to track our ancestors in Greece. We did find immediate family (my grandfather's brother's family- Parr) in Michigan a couple of years ago through a Greek Message Forum, but they are as clueless as we are about our ancestors. Apparently it was not ever discussed or talked about much. We have always been told that Parr was the shortened form of some name that sounds like Parrhimenolous - or some version of that spelling. I have not seen that name, or anything that even comes close to that name anywhere on Ancestory.com or other websites that I have looked at. We know for sure that my great grandfather "George" (born about 1885-1890) and my great grandmother "Virginia" (birthdate unknown but would assume within the same range as my great grandfather) and my grandfather "Robert" (born 1911) immigrated here around 1914. We have always been told they came in through New York, but I have found no evidence of that. There may possibly have been a "Lucille" (thought be born around 1909)and/or a "Kathleen" (born 1914) depending on the actual date that they came over here. I would think that they would have all traveled together and therefore would all be on the same ship, but I cannot locate any of those names (together or separate for that matter) on any ship manifest I have looked at on Ancestory.com. I did find quite a few George Paraskevopoulos that would fit the bill in terms of date and age, but none of the other names appeared on the same manifest that would connect them to the person I am looking for. If anyone could take any of that additional information and maybe provide some advice or recommendations, I would greatly appreciate it!! Thanks!! :-)

Re: FAMILY HISTORY

greekstudd — 2013-05-30 15:38:56Z

My father George Plytas and first cousin to the Mayor if you can tell me anything on the Plytas family contact me at greekstudd@optonline.net

Re: Last name shortened during immigration to USA

filmwaves — 2013-05-29 22:54:00Z

The name "Parr" and the name "Paraskevopoulos" are not connected anywhere. The immigration records mention the name "Parras" only once, the rest is PAPPAS. Parras is connected with Paraskevopoulos in some cases. For example this obituary:

Karathanasis was born Feb. 6, 1932, in Athens, Greece to George and Georgia Paraskevopoulos. She was a member of the Ladies Philoptochos, Calavryta Fraternity and the Prophet Elias Mr. & Mrs. Club. She worked as an interior decorator.
Karathanasis is survived by children, Evan (Dorothea) Karathanasis of Scarsdale, Georgia (Jim) Gounaris of New Hyde Park and Maria (John) Gisondi of Harrison; nine grandchildren; and siblings Christos (Eleni) Parras of Yonkers, Peter Parras of Cleveland, Ohio, Gregory (Evie) Parras of Athens and Tasos (Lela) of Athens. Helen was predeceased by her parents; and husband, Nicholas.

The name PARR should be judged as is. Parr

Re: Last name shortened during immigration to USA

VictoriaRegina — 2013-05-29 21:50:45Z

Check Ancestry.com immigration records and you will see this person is Parr? DefinitelyParaskevopoulos.

Re: Last name shortened during immigration to USA

filmwaves — 2013-05-29 20:49:54Z

When I replied yesterday, I assumed that few things where checked and that it was certain that the person in question was Greek.

I did not mention for example, that in Greece before 1960, the word "Parras" meant "Money" (Turkish word (?)). (Possous Parrades echis = How much money do you have). In Greece the name Parras exists as it is, not shortened.

Now, back to this thread. I believe the person in question (PARR) is a British subject born in Greece, probably in Corfu.
Quite few people tried to obtain information in the past, for example a lady called Sue Parr, and a lady called Joyce Parr Blevins.

There are many records of British persons named PARR born in Greece between 1850 and 1890.
A clue is the first name of the person. If it is Despina, Isidoros, Aristotelis, Andrikos, MAnoussos, Aristidis, etc. the family is of Greek descent. If it is Robert, Lucille, Arthur, William, Angie, George, Joeanne, Donald, etc they are of British Descent.
There is a special section that deals with the family Parr (British family Parr). You will find a few Greek related posts there.
Anyway, you must give much more information about the persons you think they are Greek to get a correct reply.

Re: Last name shortened during immigration to USA

VictoriaRegina — 2013-05-29 15:39:05Z

My last name is Paras

Re: Last name shortened during immigration to USA

ddharris6605 — 2013-05-29 15:17:21Z

Is your last name now Parr or another version of Paraskevopoulos?

Re: Last name shortened during immigration to USA

VictoriaRegina — 2013-05-29 14:53:24Z

I checked Ancestry.com and on a manifest for I think 1913 or 14 there was a Parr? listed like that,then crossed out. But the father to whom this person was going was Paraskevopoulos in Chicago.

My last name was shortened by my husband from Paraskevopoulos, he was from Skotini.
AnnWicki@aol.com if you need further info.

Shortened Surname

ddharris6605 — 2013-05-29 11:31:06Z

Does anyone know if a Greek Last Name was shortened upon boarding the ship or getting off the ship. In other words, would the shortened version of the last name appear on the ship manifests or would the original Greek version show on the manifest?

Re: Last name shortened during immigration to USA

ddharris6605 — 2013-05-29 11:12:27Z

Thank You so much for your reply!! I will try that name and see if I can get anywhere. Without that name we just hit brick walls every where we turn.

Re: Last name shortened during immigration to USA

filmwaves — 2013-05-29 02:32:02Z

PARR is actually a real surname, although very unlikely yours.

Catherine PARR, was the Queen Consort of England, The last (6th) wife of Henry VIII, King of England. married 1543.

Your name is probably from Paraskevopoulos. Paraskevopoulos has been shortened to Paras or Parras.
I think yours is Parras with the -as lost in the translation or a cyclone.

Last Name Shortened upon migration to USA

ddharris6605 — 2013-05-28 16:13:56Z

I and my family have been trying to find the Greek derivative of our last name before it was shortened when my Great Grandfather and Great Grandmother came to the USA in or around 1914 with my grandfather. Our last name was shortened to Parr but no one in my family seems to know what the full Greek name was or its spelling before it was shortened. This information is critical to our ability to look up birth/marriage/death records for our ancestors that may still be in Greece. If anyone can help, or might have a clue what our name could have been before it was shortened, please let me know!! Many Thanks!! Donna

Last name shortened during immigration to USA

ddharris6605 — 2013-05-28 16:12:52Z

Re: Calliope Patsidaki- birth mother

NicoleGulledge — 2013-05-21 03:01:57Z

Do you have the actual Birth Certificate? If so, attach it to this thread. I'll get it translated again and see if maybe you were given an incorrect translation. Maybe this will point you in the right direction.

Re: Calliope Patsidaki- birth mother

jill_bonsall — 2013-05-20 23:08:16Z

Possibly. All I have to go off of is his translated birth certificate from Greek to English. In the passenger manifest that I found the last name was actually spelled Patsidakis. So some variation is possible. Do you have any ideas or spellings?

Re: Calliope Patsidaki- birth mother

NicoleGulledge — 2013-05-20 23:03:49Z

Could you have the last names spelled incorrectly?

Calliope Patsidaki- birth mother

jill_bonsall — 2013-05-20 01:38:04Z

Looking for my father's birth mother, father, or family. He was adopted in 1955 from Athens, Greece. His given name is Athanassios Patsidaki. His godmother is Vaia Karakidou. His birth grand-father is Nicolas Patsidaki. Born in Lying-in Hospital "Marica Eliadi" on Feb 3, 1955. Any information is helpful.

Re: Info re: Frank Perera / Periera (b. about 1843 in Greece)

Kenneth_Messina — 2013-05-19 00:02:32Z

My grandfather was HC Messina saon of Catherine Messina. There were quite a few children , Ansil Guy to name a few. His mother was Catherine Perara and they lived on 4th in Apalach.

Re: Nittes from kastellorizo

jnitties — 2013-05-15 14:02:50Z

Hi,
I never met my grandfather, though his name was Evangelo Nitties. I am trying t find out any information about the family as i though that my immediate family were the only 'Nitties' out there. My email is john_nitties@hotmail.com if you want to email me
Thanks,
John

Petras Family

mgaines42 — 2013-05-15 01:23:41Z

I am looking for my grandfaters family in greece. I knew he had 5 brother's and one sister. His parent's name's were John and Fanny Petras.His greek name was Diamond Tintas Petras which was changed to American and was George Tintas Peterson. Thank You, Mary Gaines

Re: Chryssa Yialitaki

filmwaves — 2013-05-15 00:34:43Z

You are getting somewhere; however, you need a good software package and "Ancestral Quest" is one of the easiest to use and not very expensive.

You must follow certain rules from the start.
1. Always write to correct Greek name. If sometime in the future you seek information in Greece, they must understand you. No point asking about Steve when you mean "Isidoros" or "Stellios" or "Stephanos", etc.
You grandmother is "Chryssa". Chryssa from "Chryssanthi", "Chryssa" from "Chryssoula" or "Chryssa" from "Chryssi" ? He is not "Poulos", her husband was Poulos. What is her maiden name?
2. Greek names and words do not usually start with "Y" simply because "Y" = "U" in Greek. SO. it is not YiaYia, it is GiaGia, it is not Yiorgos, it is Georgios, it is not "Yialitakis" it is "Gialitakis".
3. Be consistent. If the name is not Greek, use the Latin name, if it is Greek, use the closest Latin letters. Use the same spelling all the time.
"Mosco" is Greek-Italian word. Has no meaning in Latin. Nevertheless, any name that starts with "Mosco", theoretical has (Greek)Italian ancestry. Soon or later an ancestor will appear called "Mosco".
Mosco probably derives from the Greek word "Moschos" which roughly translates to "young, well looked after, nice smelling person". Form "Moschos" derives the word "Moschari" = Veal. A few people think that Mosco derives from Moscow and Moscovitis is a person who originates from Moscow. Vitis has also other meanings (Vita = Life)

Which one is the correct name? Sideris, Sideras or Siderias? All three exist, all are correct but all derive from one. Which one was first?
I guess Sideris. A very common name in Asia Minor (Vryoulla, Gioul Baxe, Mellyso, etc. The Siderias from Chios settled around Bethlehem in USA.

Finally, there is a lady called "Petridis" or "Petrakis" or something like that. If I remember well, she is from Chios and has Sideras(is)(ias) connections.

Re: Chryssa Yialitaki

NicoleGulledge — 2013-05-14 12:51:10Z

I would like to thank you. You have helped me more than you know.

By your translation, the name, Peter Moschovitis, who was the Uncle of my Yiayia, Chryssa Poulos, (her name in the US), I was able to talk last night to his granddaughter, and thank her. Her grandfather saved my grandmother from the fires in Smyrna, and helped her escape. I was able to tell her the stories I know, and she was very happy because she knows very little of her family. I am so happy to finally learn his name!

My mother, Poppy Poulos, wrote to me last night with several interesting twists.

Here are her comments:

Peter Moskovitos married Stella (I don't know her maiden name but she is the sister of Irene).

They had 5 children----John, George, Litsa, Moscha and Helen

Peter Moskovitos had a sister named Despina (who married Tom Poulos (my father's brother) and a brother named James.

Helen Moskovitos married Stelios Siderias from Chios. They had 5 children named Michael, Stella, Virginia, Sophia and Despina.

You may find information on Stelios Siderias because he wasn't from Smyrna and there may be information about him in Chios. Stelios is commonly called Steven in the US.

Now I have to research more.

One last thing, my Yiayia's last name has always been "Yialitaki" to me. But with your translation, I now have the possible proper spelling of Gialitakis vs Yialitaki. This should help immensely.

Thank you so much!

Re: Tsimbidaros surname

ilias_tsimbidaros — 2013-05-13 11:41:48Z

Vasilios Tsimbidaros died in Lowell Mass; I came to see him while he was very, very old - still alive (he remembered!) - during a visit when his son, my cousin, was obliged to place him in an old age home in order to take care of him. His brother Elias, my grandfather (whom I never met) married to Stavroula ( my grandmother) died, I think, in Cleveland, Ohio, - I'm not sure. Their children lived, as a matter of fact, in New York City. Panagiota (Julia) was my aunt, my father's oldest sister, a very lovable woman, that had remained unchanged in her manners and speech up to her very last day when she died in N.Y. (Bronx). Their children (cousins) and grand children should still be found in N.Y.C. The others, - another sister named Maria, died in Cleveland, Ohio (chidren and especially grand children, even great grand should still be found there. The list could be rather long.
Karea, in the province of Lakonia was originally the starting point - but not always; the region certainly, but you can find the name later in Piraeus as well (near Athens), but even in a town north of Sparta, deep down in the valley of the river Eurôtas before crossing over to the province of Arcadia (impressive mycenean vaulted tombs are still to be seen near by). The family name is medieval and must have originated in Mystra (or Mistra or Myzithras), the fortified stronghold of the Paleologoi imperial branch - the last! (a national monument today), a town that survived until the newly founded "kingdom" of Modern Greece obliged the inhabitans to descend from the fortified hill and occupy the newly created modern city of Sparta in order to facilitate trade. This is the reason for which the name of the various branches (closeley related or not) of the Tsimbidaros family are to be found in the vicinity around Mystra and modern Sparta - a little north and down to the sea in the Mani peninsula around Areopolis and Oitylon

Re: Tsimbidaros surname

ilias_tsimbidaros — 2013-05-13 11:33:35Z

Vasilios Tsimbidaros died in Lowell Mass; I came to see him while he was still alive during a visit when his son, my cousin, was obliged to care for him in an old age home. His brother Elias, my grandfather (whom I never met) married to Stavroula ( my grandmother) died, I think, in Cleveland, Ohio, - I'm not sure. Their children lived, as a matter of fact, in New York City. Panagiota (Julia) was my aunt, my father's oldest sister, a very lovable woman, that had remained unchanged in her manners and speech up to her very last day when she died in N.Y. (Bronx). Their children (cousins) and grand children must still be found in N.Y.C. The others, - another sister named Maria, died in Cleveland, Ohio (chidren and especially grand children, even great grand should still be found there. The list could be rather long.
Karea, in the province of Lakonia was originally the starting point - but not always - the region certainly, but you can find the name later in Piraeus as well (near Athens), but actually even in a town north of Sparta, deep down in the valley of the river Eurôtas before crossing over to the province of Arcadia (impressive mycenean vaulted tombs are still to be seen near by). The family name is medieval and must have originated in Mystra (or Mistra or Myzithras), the fortified stronghold of the Paleologoi imperial branch - the last! (a national monument today), a town that survived until the newly founded "kingdom" of Modern Greece obliged the inhabitans to descend from the fortified hill and occupy the newly created modern city of Sparta in order to facilitate trade. This is the reason for which the name of the various branches (closeley related or not) of the Tsimbidaros family are to be found in the vicinity around Mystra and modern Sparta - a little north and down to the see in the Mani peninsula around Areopolis and Oitylon

Re: Chryssa Yialitaki

filmwaves — 2013-05-12 09:30:17Z

I apologize. I mistook the name Yalitakis for Yalinakis.
I do not know the name Yalitakis and have no record of the name Yalitakis

Re: Chryssa Yialitaki

filmwaves — 2013-05-12 07:32:11Z

Your grandmothers family is a very interesting family.
The original name is IALLINOS (in Cretan dialect GIALLINOS) and is going back over 700 years. Some males are known with the title "ARCHON" which is the equivalent of "Nobile" (Noble). Some did have the title "Domine". After 1669, many migrate to Zante, Corfu and Lefkas.

The invitation simply says: Mr & Mrs George Panagiotopoulos invite you in the wedding of their son Nikolaos with Chrysanthe Giallitakis. On the other site, Mr & Mrs Peter Moschovitis invite (their friends) in the wedding of their NIECE Chrysanthe with Peter Georgiou Panagiotopoulos.

Taking into account that Mr Peter Moschovitis was Chrysanthes Uncle, that means either her mother's name was Moschvitis or Peter Moschovitis's wife was her mothers sister.

Another good family is:
Moscovitis is also a Cretan family of Venetian descent, Original name was Mosco (and any name starting with Mosco is related like Moschonas, Moschopoulos, etc). Moschopoulos was Metropolite of Crete 800 years ago.

Another name that may hide a surprise is Mavromichalakis it could be a Cretan nickname but also it could be variation of the name "Mavromichalis" which is a significant name in Modern Greek History.