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Trazim (looking for) Selim SELIMOVIC (b. 1918,d. 1990)

pehratovic — 2013-02-24 23:52:28Z

Seeking more information on my great grandfather, Selim Selimovic, especially about his parents who I know nothing about. Selim was born in 1918 in Cerska, Bosnia-Herzegovina and died in 1990 at age 72 in Cerska, Bosnia-Herzegovina as well. He married Melka Selimovic (I do not know her maiden name), but she was born in Pobudje, Bosnia-Herzegovina in 1919 and died in July 2007 at age 88 in Sarajevo, Bosnia-Herzegovina. I do not know what year they got married.
They had 14 children, I still don’t know many of them but their last names include Velic, Selimovic, Pehratovic, Mehmedovic, Korkutovic, and Kuljancic. My grandmothers name was Hurija Selimovic and she married my grandfather Jusuf Pehratovic. Hurija died during the war in 1992 and Jusuf passed away in 2007. They are both buried In Cerska. More information would be extremely helpful about Seliim Selimovic and his parents.

Any information you have would be appreciated greatly.

Hasudin Pehratovic
University of Connecticut- Storrs
Searching: Velic, Selimovic, Pehratovic, Mehmedovic, Korkutovic

Re: Prapotnik, Yugoslavia

DebbieCraig1952 — 2013-01-21 19:27:49Z

Right, sometimes his birthplace is listed as Hungary, which makes sense because of the Austro-Hungarian empire before that. Thanks again.

Re: Prapotnik, Yugoslavia

RobertJerin — 2013-01-21 00:51:13Z

Debbie

What is the immigrant's name?

Yugoslavia did NOT exist until after the end of WW I.

In any case the place is perhaps Praputnjak, in the Primorje region

http://mapcarta.com/18730846

Robert Jerin
Croatian Heritage Museum
Cleveland Ohio

Prapotnik, Yugoslavia

DebbieCraig1952 — 2013-01-18 22:44:12Z

I'm trying to find the location of a town where an ancestor was born and raised and which he left to come to the US. His nationality is given a Croatian. The town, from 1891 to 1913 or a little later, was called Prapotnik, Yugoslavia. Spelling of the town varied. Any help would be appreciated.

Re: Looking for my Serbian roots

dajanasorajic — 2013-01-08 23:19:42Z

Hi Susan I've been browsing the Internet about my dads ancestors and came across this and as soon as I saw u mention ljubomir I had to reply.my granparents name are rajko sorajic who passed away 2 years ago at age 86 and grandmother mila(nickname) sorajic. They have always lived in ljubomir and my dad and his siblings were born there.thats about all the info I have. But would like to learn more.

Re: WW1 Veterans

Mohnbauer — 2012-12-25 14:41:52Z

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_k.u.k._Kampftruppen#D...

http://www.kuk-wehrmacht.de/regiment/img/oegarnkart1898.jpg
http://www.mlorenz.at/images/militaerterritorialeinteilung_1...

k.u.k. Kärntnerisches Infanterie-Regiment "Karl I. König von Rumänien" Nr. 6
Errichtet: 1762 – IV. Armeekorps – 32. Infanterie-Truppendivision
Nationalitäten: 41 % Deutsche – 27 % Kroaten/Serben – 32 % Andere
Ergänzungsbezirkskommando und Ersatzbataillonskader: Neusatz
Dislozierung: Stab, II.,III. Baon: Budapest (Üllöi-út 47/49 Maria-Theresia-Kaserne) – I. Baon: Bileca (Hercegovina) – IV. Baon: Neusatz
Kommandant: Oberst Julius Phleps
Stabsoffiziere: Obstlt.Zipfel,Franz – Obstlt.Hodula,Karl – Obstlt.Huber,Gottfreid – Obstlt.Chtil,Viktor – Maj.Deutsch,Isidor – Maj.Wuić,Peter – Maj.Weber,Alexander – Maj.Ullik,Jaroslaus
Deutsche Uniform – Egalisierungsfarbe: rosenrot – Knöpfe: Silber
Regimentssprache: Deutsch

k.u.k. Mährisches Infanterie Regiment "Erzherzog Karl Stephan" Nr. 8
Errichtet: 1642 – II. Armeekorps – 4. Infanterie-Truppendivision
Nationalitäten: 31 % Deutsche – 67 % Tschechen – 2 % Andere
Ergänzungskommando und Ersatzbataillonskader: Brünn
Dislozierung: Stab, I.,II.,IV. Baon: (Radetzkygasse 4 – Franz-Josef-Kaserne) Brünn – III. Baon: Trebinje
Kommandant: Oberst Robert Trimmel
Stabsoffiziere: Obstlt.Watterich,Albert – Obstlt.Lašek,Heinrich – Obstlt.Horák,Johann – Maj.Nehrer,Adalbert – Maj.Junek,Adolf – Maj.Schischka,Gustav – Maj.Pawlowsky,Rudolf – Maj.Boruszczak,Alexander
Deutsche Uniform – Egalisierungsfarbe: grasgrün – Knöpfe: Gold
Regimentssprache:Deutsch und Tschechisch
Weitere Regiments- bzw. Inhabernamen: 1877–1889:Freiherr von Abele

k.u.k. Galizisches Infanterie Regiment "Gustav V. König der Schweden, der Goten u. Wenden" Nr. 10
Errichtet: 1715 – X. Armeekorps – 24. Infanterie-Truppendivision
Nationalitäten: 43 % Polen – 47 % Ruthenen – 10 % Andere
Ergänzungskommando und Ersatzbataillonskader: Przemysl
Dislozierung: Stab, II.,III.,IV. Baon: Przemysl – I. Baon: Bijeljina mit einer Kompanie in Janja (Bosnien-Herzegowina)
Kommandant: Oberst Rudolf Obauer Edler von Bannerfeld
Stabsoffiziere: Oberst Klose,Konrad – Obstlt.Zahner,Karl – Maj.Studziński,Alexander – Maj.Wohlang,Hugo – Maj.Stäger,Heinrich – Maj.Freiherr Senarclens de Graney,Alfons – Maj.Teltschik,Richard
Deutsche Uniform – Egalisierungsfarbe: papageigrün – Knöpfe: Silber
Regimentssprachen:Polnisch und Ruthenisch
Weitere Regiments- bzw. Inhabernamen:
1869–1887:Freiherr von Handel
1888–1905:Oskar II. Friedrich König von Schweden und Norwegen
1905–1907:Oskar II. Friedrich König von Schweden

k.u.k. Ungarisches Infanterie Regiment "Parmann" Nr. 12
Errichtet: 1702 – V. Armeekorps – 4. Infanterie Truppendivision
Nationalitäten: 58 % Magyaren – 31 % Slowaken – 11 % Andere
Ergänzungsbezirk: Komárom (Komorn)
Garnison: Stab, I.,II. Baon: Znaim-Klosterbruck – III. Baon: Komárom – IV. Baon: Sarajevo
Kommandant: Oberst Joseph Leide
Ungarische Uniform – Egalisierungsfarbe: dunkelbraun – Knöpfe: Gold

k.u.k. Böhmisches Infanterie Regiment "Erzherzog Leopold Salvator" Nr. 18
Errichtet: 1682 – IX. Armeekorps – 10. Infanterie Truppendivision
Nationalitäten: 23 % Deutsche – 75 % Tschechen – 2 % Andere
Ergänzungsbezirk: Königgrätz
Garnison: Stab, I.,III.,IV. Baon: Königgrätz – II. Baon: Nevesinje
Kommandant: Oberst Franz Otathal Edler von Ottenhorst
Deutsche Uniform – Egalisierungsfarbe: dunkelrot – Knöpfe: Silber

k.u.k. Dalmatinisches Infanterie Regiment "Graf von Lacy" Nr. 22
Errichtet: 1733 – XVI. Armeekorps – 18. Infanterie Truppendivision
Nationalitäten: 82 % Croaten/Serben – 10 % Slowenen – 8 % Andere
Ergänzungsbezirk: Sinj
Garnison: Stab, II.,III.,IV. Baon: Mostar – I. Baon: Sinj
Kommandant: Oberst Rudolf Streit
Deutsche Uniform – Egalisierungsfarbe: kaisergelb – Knöpfe: Silber

k.u.k. Ungarisches Infanterie Regiment "Ritter von Ziegler" Nr. 60
Errichtet: 1798 – VI. Armeekorps – 15. Infanterie Truppendivision
Nationalitäten: 98 % Magyaren – 2 % Sonstige
Ergänzungsbezirk: Erlau
Garnison: Stab, I.,III.,IV. Baon: Erlau – II. Baon: Zwornik (Bosnien-Hercegovina)
Kommandant: Oberst Heinrich Lederer
Ungarische Uniform – Egalisierungsfarbe: stahlgrün – Knöpfe: Silber
http://www.peter-hug.ch/lexikon/Limit_Elemente/Zwornik

k.u.k. Ungarisches Infanterie Regiment "Freiherr von Pitreich" Nr. 63
Errichtet: 1860 – XII. Armeekorps – 35. Infanterie Truppendivision
Nationalitäten: 73 % Rumänen – 27 % Sonstige
Ergänzungsbezirk: Bistritz
Garnison: Stab, II.,III.,IV. Baon: Bistritz – I. Baon: Mostar
Kommandant: Oberst Johann Hefner
Ungarische Uniform – Egalisierungsfarbe: orangegelb – Knöpfe: Silber

k.u.k. Ungarisches Infanterie Regiment "Ritter von Auffenberg Nr. 64
Errichtet: 1860 – XII. Armeekorps – 16. Infanterie Truppendivision
Nationalitäten: 86 % Rumänen – 14 % Sonstige
Ergänzungsbezirk: Broos
Garnison: Stab, I.,II. Baon: Broos – III. Baon: Trebinje – IV. Baon: Abrudbánya
Kommandant: Oberst Joseph Lieb
Ungarische Uniform – Egalisierungsfarbe: orangegelb – Knöpfe: Gold
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trebinje
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trebinje

k.u.k. Galizisches Infanterie Regiment "Philipp Herzog von Württemberg" Nr. 77
Errichtet: 1860 – XI. Armeekorps – 24. Infanterie Truppendivision
Nationalitäten: 69 % Ruthenen – 30 % Croaten/Serben – 1 % Sonstige
Ergänzungsbezirk: Sambor
Garnison: Stab, II.,III. Baon: Przemysl – I. Baon: Sambor – IV. Baon Tuzla
Kommandant: Oberst Marzell Ławrowski
Deutsche Uniform – Egalisierungsfarbe: kirschrot – Knöpfe: Silber

k.u.k. Niederösterreichisches Infanterie Regiment "Freiherr von Bolfras" Nr. 84
Errichtet: 1883 – II. Armeekorps – 25. Infanterie Truppendivision
Nationalitäten: 97 % Deutsche 3 % Sonstige
Ergänzungsbezirk: Wien
Garnison: Stab, II.,III. Baon: Krems – I. Baon: Wien – IV. Baon: Sarajevo
Kommandant: Oberst Viktor Severus Edler von Laubenfeld
Deutsche Uniform – Egalisierungsfarbe: karmesinrot – Knöpfe: Gold

k.u.k. Mährisches Infanterie Regiment Nr. 93
Errichtet: 1883 – I. Armeekorps – 5. Infanterie Truppendivision
Nationalitäten: 60 % Deutsche – 35 % Tschechen – 5 % Sonstige
Ergänzungsbezirk: Mährisch-Schönberg
Garnison: Stab, III.,IV. Baon: Krakau – I. Baon: Bihac – II. Baon: Mährisch-Schönberg
Kommandant: Oberst Carl Haas
Deutsche Uniform – Egalisierungsfarbe: dunkelbraun – Knöpfe: Gold

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_k.u.k._Kampftruppen

Re: Family Kamhi tree

student10076 — 2012-12-05 21:52:43Z

zdravo
my family from bosnia
my father born bosnia- hajim kamhi
my grandfather born bosnia-aron kamhi

Re: trazim obitelj

lilana27 — 2012-09-22 20:54:10Z

treća fotografija prikazuje mladenku, osoba do nje je pretpostavljam mladoženja, u uniformi-vojno lice sigurno, svita je obučena u prekrasne haljine, ako je slikano prije cca 30 do 40 godina, morate računati da nije bilo konfekcije, već se sve šivalo kod krojačice i po krojevima izvana, a to ovdje jesu krojevi europski, svatovi su sigurno jako bogati, jer u ono vrijeme imati veliku kuću, najnovije haljine i slično, porodica je morala biti jako bogata i poznata, računajte na vladavinu socijalizma(ograničavanje materijalnih prihoda itd),

Re: trazim obitelj

lilana27 — 2012-09-22 20:46:49Z

niste napisali koga tražite, tj. obiteljsko prezime,

Re: Trazim Caslav Dabic

lilana27 — 2012-09-22 20:34:55Z

u tel.imeniku za bih imate prezime dabić u mjestu željuše, potoci bb

Batalija

fbmlakic1 — 2012-06-05 17:01:59Z

Anyone that has information on Batalija surname anywhere in the world, please contact me.

Mlakic

fbmlakic1 — 2012-06-05 17:01:04Z

Anyone that has information on Mlakic (Mlakić) surname anywhere in the world, please contact me.

Re: Sarcevic family history (any information?)

fbmlakic1 — 2012-06-05 16:42:16Z

OK. I might be replying 11 years later, but this perhaps could be of some use to you.

I know several persons with the Sarcevic (Šarčević in Croatian) last name. The two most prominent nowadays are both in Sarajevo, and their names are: Ivan Šarčević (a Franciscan, professor of theology and editor of a Catholic monthly magazine "Svjetlo riječi". He can easily be contacted by e-mail, just google the magazine) and Abdulah Šarčević (a philosopher, also from Sarajevo). Ivan Šarčević's family is originally from the Zvirnjača Mountain near the town of Prozor and the Franciscan Monastery of Rama-Šćit, Bosnia and Herzegovina (perhaps you should search their church records that go well into the 18th century, I believe). I believe that John Malkovich, the actor, traces his roots to Zvirnjača as well. Ivan Šarčević's family nowadays lives in Požega, Croatia.

Also I have a good friend that goes by the name Šarčević, so I can bring you two in touch if you'd like.

Re: "Plemeniti" definition of this word ?

fbmlakic1 — 2012-06-05 16:36:21Z

"plemeniti" is a rank of nobility, equal to german "Edler" (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edler)

Re: MARKOTA

fbmlakic1 — 2012-06-05 16:23:56Z

Interesting. Perhaps you should also investigate the MARKOTIĆ last name, because it could just be a variation of MARKOTA. Surnames like that were treated as synonyms in the past, for example. In church registers one can often encounter two different surnames (e.g. MATUKA & MATUKIĆ) for the same person, depending on which priest entered the information.

Re: Help with gravestone inscription

fbmlakic1 — 2012-06-05 16:19:19Z

ОВђE ПОЧИВA У МИРУ = OVĐE POČIVA U MIRU = HERE RESTS IN PEACE

ОВђE (OVĐE, modern Croatian: OVDJE) means "HERE", "IN THIS PLACE"

"POČIVA U MIRU" means "[HE/SHE] RESTS IN PEACE"

Re: Porijelko imena TOKIC

fbmlakic1 — 2012-06-05 16:17:01Z

Za Tokiće znam da ih ima u Jajcu.

Re: Krulj

yugaya — 2012-06-04 13:16:11Z

Maybe you should get acquainted with first names and naming customs among ethnic Serbs so that more things make sense during your research:

http://www.rodoslovlje.com/en/documentation/naming-customs-a...

*Mopa*

MARA female first name spelled in CYrillic script = " Мара" .

I've seen that *Mopa* mistranscription , usually from headstones, appear several times on these boards :)

Ethnic Serbs mostly changed their names to closest English equivalents phonetically after immigrating.

Brothers/ male cousins often married widows from the same family - to take care of them . KRULJ families from that area ( Hercegovina) are all related. :)

SPASOJE GIORGIO KRULJ

Serbs have no middle names - what was written as middle name is the first name of the father. Possible original first name:

ĐORĐIJE
ĐURAĐ
ĐURO
ĐORĐE
ĐUKA
ĐOKO...

Given the first names of people in the family KRULJ from RANKOVCI village, first name of Spasoje's father was

ĐORĐE - that is the only variant which is found in records for the XIX century there.

RADKOVIC

original surname that was present in that parish / neighbouring parishes is

RATKOVIĆ.

http://www.rodoslovlje.com/en/documentation/guide-researchin...

- "which may be the 2 brothersDusan KRULJ age 16 and Dusan Jovin KRULJ age 17 destination NYC both to the same address. "

Two brothers would have under NO cirtcumstances have carried the same first name. The blood relations in Serbian language are worded differently than in English:

-sons of two brothers ( cousins) are called if literally translated * brothers by uncle* -which is often mistaken for actual *brothers* by non-native speakers. Their families would have been at the time living in the same household.

-that would also be in agreement with the naming customs , two brothers had sons that they named DUŠAN each, in honor of their common male ancestor like father, grandfather.

- MIHAJLO KRULJ, son of SIMA, born in 1896. was killed by the ustashas in 1941 together with many other members of KRULJ family in RANKOVCI and other nearby villages ( DUŠAN KRULJ born in 1892. son of JOVO KRULJ, who also came back that someone else mentioned in this thread, was killed on the same day and in the same location -Kapavica guvno ) .

Age listed in manifest is in most cases is not accurate for men - they were either using papers stating that they were older- old enough to travel, or that they were younger because they did not want to stay and serve in the Austro-Hungarian occupying army obligatory military service.

Most of the early XX century immigrants of ethnic Serbian origin returned to the old country.

http://www.rodoslovlje.com/en/documentation/guide-researchin...

"Rodoslovlje" Serbian Genealogy Society
http://www.rodoslovlje.com/en

Re: Krulj

yugaya — 2012-06-04 12:13:18Z

"My Grand Aunt, lists his birth date as March 10, 1889. She also lists that he came to the USA when he was 16, that he was sponsered by a scientist named Pupin."

He was probably sponsored by the Serbian National Foundation in America, of which scientist MIHAJLO PUPIN was the president . Either your grand aunt or someone interpreting what she knows made a slight error there - Pupin and your ancestor were of common ethnic Serbian origin, not from the same area/village. :)

"In America, in 1909. MIHAJLO PUPIN established one of the oldest Serbian emigrant organization – Union of Serbs - “Sloga”. The organization had a mission to gather Serbs in imigration and offer help, as well as keeping ethnic and cultural values. This organization later merged with three other imigant societies.

Other emigrant organizations in to one large Serbian national foundation, and Pupin was one of its founders and a long time president (1909–1926))."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mihajlo_Idvorski_Pupin

Mihajlo Pupin had, besides that, been the benefactor of many other ethnic as well as his own private charities that sponsored children of Serbian immigrants in the US:

KOLO SRPSKIH SESTARA
SLOGA
SRPSKA NARODNA ODBRANA

Contact the current Serbian societies to see if there are any records like the ones that exist for the similar organization he sponsored in the old country - Serbian Trade Association "Privrednik" ( "The Merchant) :

http://www.rodoslovlje.com/en/documentation/serbian-trade-as...

For info on these organizations and help with contacting them I recommend this lady and her awesome website on culture, heritage, traditions and life of ethnic Serbian immigrants:

http://www.babamim.com/

http://www.babamim.com/contact

*JOVIN* - your question regarding this : "Is Jovin the native spelling for Stephen?" - No, it isn't.

- Serbian language has a different grammar - there is something called grammatical case:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammatical_case

*Jovin* - this is simply the first name JOVO spelled in case with different ending and additional meaning

*JOVIN* = * of JOVO*, as in

KRULJ DUŠAN JOVIN

meaning

KRULJ DUŠAN (son) of JOVO

"Rodoslovlje" Serbian Genealogy Society
http://www.rodoslovlje.com/en

Re: Krulj

soki78 — 2012-06-04 08:21:45Z

Za minnana78!
Ako ti nije problem javi mi se mailom na vlada24@beotel.net
zbog podataka oko Krulja iz Vitonje!

Re: Grandfather from Lohovo, Bihac, Bosnia

reginamd1 — 2012-04-29 02:26:45Z

Thank you thank you, you are so helpful.
Regina

Re: Grandfather from Lohovo, Bihac, Bosnia

lilana27 — 2012-04-21 22:16:20Z

ČANAK LJUBOMIR
majora milana tepića 124, kozarska dubica
00387 52 422320
ČANAK MILAN
kralja alfonsa xiii 25, banja luka
00387 51 219118

have these people so you can contact them, you might know your ancestors, just as after the Second World War many people from the area went to the Vojvodina, now the Republic of Serbia to the new environment is now more accurately of city Novi sad

Re: Markow Jakowicz - Serbian? Bosnian?

lilana27 — 2012-04-21 22:01:01Z

http://www.familylink.com/SingleIndexListview.aspx?ix=mh_tre...

Re: I'm a Lozancic too

anthony_sounds — 2012-04-17 06:21:29Z

Im the bosnian Lozancic from sydney. Whos your dad?

Re: Palesnik Croatia Immigration

lilana27 — 2012-03-28 14:42:32Z

palesnik is a vilige near town garesnica, and all records is save in this town
http://udubbz.hr/mat-ured-garesnica/
in this link is only phone, but no e-mail adress, sorry

Re: MARKOTA

ladybubblepop — 2012-02-05 02:44:02Z

You also had Markota in Krehin Gradac in Herzegovina and all around Herzegovina. The last name is not as common today.

Re: SOLDO AND HRKAC FROM BRITVICA LISTICA MOSTAR

croatianustasa — 2012-01-23 21:52:35Z

what is it that you want to know about??? im a pavkovic from izbicno and know everybody

Re: george knezovich

tehala — 2012-01-04 06:24:59Z

HELLO
I AM LOOKING FOR INFO ON THE KNEZOVICH FAMILY. MY MOTHER WAS HELEN KNEZOVICH. I WAS BORN IN TEXAS. I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT HER OR HER FAMILY. SHE WAS BORN IN 1929 LIVED IN COLORADO. IF YOU HAVE ANY INFO PLEASE CONTACT CRICKETTEER@JUNO.COM

Re: Soldo / Camardi , Buenos Aires, Argentina

vrlika_trade — 2011-12-27 10:57:30Z

pozdrav..obitelj iz croatia..

Re: Krulj

minnana78 — 2011-11-05 11:03:13Z

Hello,
I accidentally caught sight of this correspondence for Dusan, Dusan Jovin Krulj .. in fact my great-grandfather is Dusan Krulj who with his brother Jovan went to New York early last century ... Dusan quickly returned to Herzegovina, married, and died in World War II ... had nine children .... they are born in the village Vitonja municipality Rankovci ....

Re: WEROSTA, Karl 1936-2007

yugaya — 2011-10-23 15:36:08Z

Roads and estates in Zenica and surroundings still carry the name of this family.

Here are a couple of links to articles where local historians provide details about the family history and their contribution to the community:

http://zenica-online.com/2011/05/pitanje-br-33-za-%E2%80%9En...

http://zenica-online.com/2011/05/rjesenje-pitanja-br-33-za-%...

http://zepedia.com/zenica-online/ramo-gujavica-legenda-zenic...

http://zenica-online.com/2011/03/zenicka-cimburijada-%E2%80%...

Family Werosta is mentioned in newspaper article from 1890 about foreigners in Bosnia :

http://www.idoconline.info/digitalarchive/public/index.cfm?f...

att. - Photograph of Werosta family in front of their steel factory printed in 1925.

Re: WEROSTA, Karl 1936-2007

slatajulu — 2011-10-22 23:11:46Z

He was born in Zenica, BiH. His father was owner of the steel manufacture. In 1946 communist regime took their business and they moved to South America.

Re: Michael Raich (Bozo Rajich)

RobertJerin — 2011-10-16 14:31:00Z

The point made in my last post re sharing of passports is that you would find the immigrant arriving under another name. If the Naturalization papers give a ship name then you could look page by page looking for a COA number to match the one you have (if you have one), the former residence, Race, etc.. Once it took me 3 years to find a man name Stojan Demich whom we had a COA for. I first searched for Race or People for anyone identified as Servian or Croatian, then finally by former residence, which was Bielo Voda Croatia... using Stephen Morse One Step Ellis Island search I searched the ship of arrival metioned on the COA, which was the Cleveland, on a certain date in 1913, then searched for all males from a place beginning with Bie.... no first nor last name and found Petar Kukoleco.... and their was Stojan's COA number ! Kukoleco appears in that part of Croatia... but I found no other trace of such a person in the US.... besides we had Stojan's Naturalization papers.

Robert

Re: Michael Raich (Bozo Rajich)

RobertJerin — 2011-10-16 14:22:34Z

Sharon

Those arrival dates or years as found on census records are perhaps the least reliable, the info was given at the spur of the moment, Bozo probably did not supply that info himself.

Even the NA papers arrival may be incorrect.

The manifest pointed out in this thread has a notation above the occupation column dated 4/6/36, the numbers before this date are first the INS District which "appears" to be 21 which in 1936 was Portland, OR includting Siskiyou Co CA, Southwest ID, OR (except Lake Co), WA (Clarke, Cowlitz, Klickitat, Skamania, and Wahkiakum Co)

The remainder of the numbers 8524 correspond to a Certificate Of Arrival issued at that time. This was done to ensure the immigrant had been in the US long enough to apply for Citizenship

If you have a COA for Bozo check the number.

It was also NOT uncommon for immigrants to "share" passports. Prior to about 1920 no photos appeared on passports issued by Austria-Hungary.

Robert Jerin
Croatian Heritage Museum
Cleveland Ohio

Re: Michael Raich (Bozo Rajich)

RobertJerin — 2011-10-16 14:17:02Z

Re: Michael Raich (Bozo Rajich)

SharonRaich35 — 2011-10-15 21:59:49Z

On his naturalization application it states that he arrived April 16, 1907 which is rather coincidental that you found a Bozo Raic arriving on September 16, 1907. I appreciate your help. I am looking further, as I think I saw another date on a census for him as Michael Raich having lived in Minnesota and Milwaukee, Wisconsin. I have found several spellings of his last name from Rajich to Raic, to Raich. I don't know what the original spelling is. Thanks Sharon

Re: Michael Raich (Bozo Rajich)

yugaya — 2011-10-14 10:02:43Z

If this is him:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-20825-108784-5...

then this could be the ship manifest:

http://www.ellisisland.org/search/shipManifest.asp?MID=03474...

This BOŽO RAIĆ came from Dalmatia region of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, nowadays Croatia. (very near the border with nowadays Bosnia)

The town of PROLOŽAC

http://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prolo%C5%BEac.

On the same page of manifest there is a large group of people who arrived from the same town (numbers 10-23), some even stating the same contact person.

Their surnames match the ones that are both historically and nowadays found in the village:

http://www.modrojezero.org/docs/maps/prolozzac-novi.html

http://weboder.com.hr/lokacija/17/Prolo%C5%BEac/Donji+Prolo%...

I cannot identify his ethnicity as the sources I have state that both Croats and Serbs migrated to and lived in the town and surrounding villages. The town is nowadays almost completely inhabited by ethnic Croats. To me , the group from Proložac appears to be of ethnic Croats, based on other first names of passengers and their fathers. His and his father's first name indicate otherwise. I would check vital records of both religions to be certain.

- Roman Catholic parish:
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/show?uri=http%3A%2F%...

Splitsko-makarska nadbiskupija
Župni ured
21 264 PROLOŽAC
tel./fax. 021/846-025

-Serbian-Orthodox parish:
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/show?uri=http%3A%2F%...

Eparhija Dalmatinska
pravoslavna parohija IMOTSKI :
21260 Imotski, Glavina Donja
Tel: 021/843-247; Faks: 021 670 605
Mob.: 091/762-38-97
email: draganm.mihajlovic@st.t-com.hr

Look in the municipal office first (matični ured), the churches have no records, all were taken by civil authorities in 1946.

the name of his father on the manifest is LAZO RA(J)IĆ.

RAIĆ, RAJIČ, RAJIĆ are the surname spelling variants in the area.

My email is yugaya at gmail dot com if you have any other questions.

Good luck! :D

Re: Michael Raich (Bozo Rajich)

yugaya — 2011-10-13 22:40:38Z

Ok then - tough one it is- do you know at least approximately a year of arrival?

I would rather not make assumptions on his ethnicity based on name alone.

He definitely did come from Croatia/Bosnia/Serbia.Possible original spelling: RAIČ,RAIĆ,RAJIĆ.

Balogh, on the other hand, is a typical Hungarian surname. :)

Re: Michael Raich (Bozo Rajich)

SharonRaich35 — 2011-10-13 17:57:29Z

I don't have much to go on even a ship's manifest. All I could find was the application for naturalization papers, that was turned down and don't know why. He was either Serbian or Croatian. Married to Theresa Balogh, or Balok, one daughter Mary. The only living daughter never knew where they came from, the wife Theresa possibly came from Slovenia. Thanks for any information.
Sincerely, Sharon Raich

Re: Michael Raich (Bozo Rajich)

yugaya — 2011-10-13 11:49:43Z

Do you have any more specific information on the location of origin? What does the ship manifest say?

"Possibly Bosnia" is too broad to try and help you... even for me :D

Re: KOMADINA / VOLODER - Finding records in BiH

yugaya — 2011-10-05 16:17:07Z

this would be him then MUSTAFA MUJAGA KOMADINA :

http://mosher.blogger.ba/arhiva/2011/01/11/2663764

There are names of the father and siblings, year of birth listed and death. The mother's name or origin is unknown. Mentions of descendants in the article: son EDHEM Komadina born 1903., grandson by the name of Mustafa Komadina, grandson Mustafa Braca Komadina. It also states that his immediate descendants are still taking care of his memorial, so I suggest you try to find them in the town of Mostar for more information.

details in the interview on Komadina/Voloder:

http://www.tacno.net/Novost.aspx?id=4055

Historical archive in Mostar as well as central archive in Sarajevo must have a lot of documentation and holdings on such a dignitary.

I can't point you to any specific records searches on Voloder as this would depend on ethnicity/religion and that surname is prevalent in all three Bosnian communities. :)

Information on Voloder families that may be of interest to you is that they settled in Cernica district of Mostar in 1822.

source reference:

"Prezimena su uzimana na osnovu prikupljenih podataka iz raznih porotokola, sidžila mostarskog i blagajskog kadije, zatim raznih tapija iz turskoga perioda, rođenih, vjenčanih i umrlih, te sa epitafa sa nadgrobnih spomenika. Uz svako nabrojano prezime stavljena je godina življenja u Mostaru. "

Re: KOMADINA / VOLODER - Finding records in BiH

scottcarn — 2011-10-05 15:17:47Z

Thank you. It is my partner's maternal great grandfather.

Re: KOMADINA / VOLODER - Finding records in BiH

scottcarn — 2011-10-05 10:28:03Z

Both families are from Mostar town (the Komadinas in question are descended from Mustafa Kemal Komadina who was the Mayor of Mostar in the 1890s/1900s). The Voloders are also from Mostar town.

The primary person would be Mustafa Kemal Komadina and his descendants. I am not able to read Serbo-croat, but my partner is able to (both Latin and Cyrillic).

Thanks.

Re: KOMADINA / VOLODER - Finding records in BiH

yugaya — 2011-10-05 10:01:24Z

You can only access the vital records in municipal offices and archives in Bosnia, searches are not available over the internet. There may be some old religious vital records transcripts posted by individual temples, but usually this type of information on surnames and villages is found online only as a part of analysis of historical documents or books on history of a village or a town.

If you can read resources in local language make sure you search using the full orthography of surnames and place-names.

For Bosnia the Military records and censuses from AU empire are located in Austria military archives and Hungarian National Archive in Budapest. Some materials are available in Bosnian archives too. No online searches I am aware of.

Family Search does hold many microfilms of both vital records and military lists for the area.

I will post here later if I find anything, more precise location would help - were they from Mostar city or the surrounding villages?

Michael Raich (Bozo Rajich)

SharonRaich35 — 2011-07-26 13:03:03Z

Looking for Michael Raich (Bozo Rajich) possibly from Bosnia Birth date December 24 1885. Father's name Peter.

Re: Amercanized Name?

RobertJerin — 2011-05-29 17:19:46Z

Hi Tom

I will be sending you an email re MANDOFFIE

Robert Jerin
Croatian Hertiage Museum
Cleveland Ohio

Amercanized Name?

metalworkertom — 2011-05-12 05:09:19Z

Searching for info on name : is the name Giovannie Mandoffie a Americanized name I know many spellings I have found after this one is.This ancester of mine Imigrated to US in 1878-1885 married in Mississippi in 1887.My mother said from Island near Italy.On Census said Austrian(ger)is how written. Another researcher said could have been Island of "Brac" Spelling above came from mariage licence. Have found no records previous to this. Thank you ,
Tom Walker

KOMADINA / VOLODER - Finding records in BiH

scottcarn — 2011-04-04 14:12:38Z

Hello,

I am helping a friend research his family tree. He is a great-grandson (through his mother) of Mustafa Komadina from Mostar. Does anyone know if it is possible to access the birth, death and marriage records in Sarajevo online? For the other records, we may have to access them through the Austrian archives perhaps?

Additionally, he is searching for information on the Voloder family, also based in Mostar for the past few generations.

Any assistance would be gratefully received. We are able to read records in English, German and Serbo-Croat.

Thanks in advance.

Jocovic Veljko

BogdanaJ — 2011-01-22 00:00:29Z

I am looking for my father's uncle Veljko Jocovic. He was born in village Granice in town Niksic in Montenegro. He left Granice in 1945 running from partizans. He was a member of Rojal Army. We don't have any information about him since then. We will be glad if he survived.

Re: Brboric Radoslav

BogdanaJ — 2011-01-21 23:43:28Z

My email is jocbogdana@gmail.com I will be glad to find more about my grandfather we don't know anything about him.