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Re: Lazorcak/Marcincin

taltos017 — 2013-06-18 14:21:44Z

From ancestry.com:

There is a passenger list for Jan Lazorcak, age 33, travelling from Bremen to Baltimore on the "Neckar", arrived 14 Jun 1904. He is a Slovak from Alsosebes; coming to Pittsburgh to see his brother "Endi Lazorcak. Jan had been in Pittsburgh previously, from 1900-1902.

According to his petition for naturalization, he was born 13 Jan 1871 in Alsosebes, and arrived in New York on or about 19 Mar 1900. His wife Maria was born 17 Sep 1874. His kids: Mary born 25 Aug 1899 (austria-hungary), Stephen 19 Sep 1904 (A-H), Elizabeth 16 Nov 1905 (A-H), Anna 6 Mar 1909 (Pittsburgh), Dorothy 18 Aug 1911 (Pittsburgh), Margaret 24 Jul 1913 (Pittsburgh), Vinc 22 Jan 1915 (Pittsburgh), Agnes 16 Aug 1916 (Pittsburgh).

Re: Lazorcak/Marcincin

ZlaticaBeca — 2013-06-18 13:35:51Z

Hi Meryt114

To get started check out www.iabsi.com/gen/public

Chezekov sounds like C'ec'ehov,
Čečehov
1773 Csecseho, 1786 Cschecscho, 1808 Csecsahó, Csecsó, Cžečahow, Cžečow, 1863 Csecsahó, 1873–1902 Csecsehó, 1907–1913 Zuhogó, 1920– Čečehov [all the names this location was known by]
Can we trust the deast certificate information being correct? I have my doubts.

http://www.mapy.cz/#!x=22.037699&y=48.723912&z=11&am...

LAZORC^AK in 1995 in these locations:
http://slovniky.korpus.sk/?w=lazorcak&c=S3bd

MARCINCIN in these locations:
http://slovniky.korpus.sk/?w=marcincin&c=L962

Nižná Šebastová: 1773 Alsó-Sebes, Nizny Sebes, 1786 Alschó-Schebesch, 1808 Alsó-Sebes, Dolní Ssebeš, 1863–1913 Alsósebes, 1920–1948 Nižný Šebeš, 1948–1970 Nižná Šebastová
now part of town of Presov.
http://www.mapy.cz/#!x=21.294631&y=49.023324&z=13&am...

Slovakia's phone book www.zoznamst.sk

http://genforum.genealogy.com/slovak/messages/5472.html
http://genforum.genealogy.com/romania/messages/2538.html
http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.lazorchak/mb.ashx

https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1&c...

arr. NY Ellis Island from Alsosebes:
Lazorcsak, Erzsebet Alsosebes, Hungary 2 1906 1908
Lazorcsak, Istvan Alsosebes, Hungary 3 1905 1908
Lazorcsak, Maria Alsosebes, Hungary 54 1854 1908
Lazorcsak, Maria Alsosebes, Hungary 8 1900 1908
Lazorczak, Maria Alsa Sebes 18 1883 1901
Lazorczak, Mihaly Also Sebes 28 1873 1901
Lazorasik, Andras Alsosebes, Hungary 4 1909 1913
Lazorasik, Anna Alsosebes, Hungary 32 1881 1913
Lazoresik, Anna Alsosebes, Hungary 9 1904 1913
Marcincin, Jan Mizni Sebes, Cz;Slov. 25 1897 1922

Lazorcsak, Erzsebet Alsosebes, Hungary 2 1906 1908
Lazorcsak, Istvan Alsosebes, Hungary 3 1905 1908
Lazorcsak, Maria Alsosebes, Hungary 54 1854 1908
Lazorcsak, Maria Alsosebes, Hungary 8 1900 1908
Little Erzsebet has a set of numbers and a date by your name to suggest she was naturalized citizen.
Lazorcsak, Andras Pittsburg, Pa. U.S.A. 31 1877 1908 Andras too was naturalized citizen.

Nizna Sebastova is in Saris [saros megye] and Cecehov is in Ung megye, not within a walking distance.
http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/maps/1910/varmegy2.gif

Lazorcak/Marcincin

Meryt114 — 2013-06-18 01:33:57Z

Hello, everyone!

I have recently gotten into genealogy again so I'm on a quest to figure out the lines I never had much luck with. I realized I'd never posted anything on this line to Ancestry.com, but to another genealogy website about 10 years ago. So I will try again!

I am looking for information on my ancestors from the Slovak Republic/Austria-Hungary. My great-great grandfather's name was Johan Ignatius Lazorcak. He was born January 13, 1871 in a village near Prešov according to family tradition. He immigrated to Pittsburgh, PA, around the year 1900.

His wife was Maria Marcincin, born September 17, 1874 or 1873. According to her immigration record, she arrived February 23, 1908 through Ellis Island. Her immigration record says she was from Alsosebes. The family oral tradition says that Johan came first and would make visits back to his family as well as send them money. Then at some point, a girl in the village accidentally set a fire and a lot of the village burned. After that, the whole family immigrated to Pittsburgh. On her death certificate, it lists a Joseph Marcincin as her father, but no mother is listed. One of her daughters' death certificates states that her mother was born in Chezekov, Czechoslovakia.

The last time I posted, I received responses that said they might possibly be Rusyn. Apparently when they initially came to America, they went to the Byzantine church on the South Side (St. John the Baptist Ukrainian Catholic Church). Then at some point, they switched to the Latin Rite, but Johan went back to the Byzantine church before he died.

He and his wife are both buried at St. John the Baptist's cemetery in Castle Shannon. The cemetery is Byzantine Catholic. Andy Warhol is also buried there just down the hill from my great-great grandparents. I have heard many of the people buried there are Rusyn immigrants.

My family always just assumed they were Slovakian. I am descended from Johan and Maria's oldest daughter named Maria or Mary. When my grandfather or his siblings would ask her about their heritage or where they came from, she would always tell them, "You're American now, you don't need to worry about any of that." She apparently didn't want to talk about it much at all. My great-grandmother was about 8 years old when she arrived in America.

I think I have typed everything I know about them. I have records saved if that would help. If I could pinpoint the village maybe I could research further. There is also the language barrier I've found difficult. I'd also really like to know for sure if they were Rusyn or Slovak.

Thanks for any help! Sorry this is so long. I appreciate any information I can get and would love to find some distant cousins from this line.

Re: CHISMAR, Anna

ZlaticaBeca — 2013-06-15 03:40:59Z

As for Anna chismar, all I know is her gravestone says birth 1886 (-1965) and she had two brothers, john and George. *****

Do you know if Anna had social security numbers? Was she naturalized citizen?

Possible for you to follow her brothers US paper trail?
Janos and Gyorgy

Cismar, Janos Felsotekes, Hungary 18 1894 1912
Cismar, Janos Lastocz, Hungary 26 1883 1909
Ciszmar, Janos Leskoutz, Hungary 32 1878 1910
Cziszmar, Janos 29 1866 1895
Cizmar, Janos Kuccusa, Hung. 25 1887 1912
Cizmar, Jan Mociar, Cz. Slov. 36 1886 1922
Cizmar, Jan Mociar, Cz. Slov. 5 1917 1922
Cizmar, Jan M. Josztreb 34 1865 1899
Cizmar, Jonas Morva 41 1858 1899
Cziszmar, Gyorgy 19 1873 1892
Czizmar, Gyorgy Csecseko, Hungary 36 1857 1893
Cizmar, Juraj Jasenov, Cz. Slov. 23 1899 1922
Cizmar, Juraj Mociar, Cz. Slov. 3 1919 1922
Osizmar, Anna Banocz, Hungary 16 1896 1912
Osizmar, Fuzanna Banocz, Hungary 42 1870 1912
source: www.ellisislandrecords.org

Of course the brothers could have arrived thru Philadelphia or Baltimore.

Re: MAKLEY, Gazen, Noujd- Gezseny, Ung m. Haz'in, SK

RhiannanKristina — 2013-06-15 03:19:42Z

Hi. Sorry it takes me awhile to reply, I have a sick child I am home with. This post is my correct Makelys. I have also attached a image of another draft notice, only with a different birth date, I don't know why it is different. I do know on John Makelys gravestone it lists his birth year as 1888 (-1954). I have found 1920 - 1940 census but nothing prior. From stories I have heard from family, he met and married Anna somewhere around Pittsburg PA, have not confirmed that yet.

As for Anna chismar, all I know is her gravestone says birth 1886 (-1965) and she had two brothers, john and George. That is all I know about her.

I have found other Makelys, but none seem to be from my direct line so that's why I am trying to do the research in my own. I just can't seem to find a 1910 census or naturalization record. I don't know where they lived prior to 1920 so I can't pinpoint a church they went to. I've found their graves but no information that I don't already know.

Makely

RhiannanKristina — 2013-06-15 03:18:19Z

I need help and was wondering if anyone could help me or lead me in the right direction....

I am looking to research the Makely family. Here's what I know, john Makely born possibly in Hazen, Czechoslovakia, with two dates of either April 1887 or February 22, 1888. Married Anna Cismar (not sure of the spelling) born 1886 from Czechoslovakia. They said in 1920's census they were from Austria then 1930's from Czechoslovakia. I have found a 1920's census and 1930's census and the registration for military draft but that is all I can find. I cannot find a marriage certificate, naturalazation, immigration to America....nothing else. Can someone please help me or lead me in a direction I can go...
Thanks!

Re: MAKLEY, Gazen, Noujd- Gezseny, Ung m. Haz'in, SK

RhiannanKristina — 2013-06-15 03:18:10Z

P.s. I guess I also am a little confused as to where I should be looking, Hazin was in Hungary? I was always told we were Slovak and I'm pretty sure my great grand parents spoke Slovak. As of now, this whole area is really confusing me. First it's one country then another... I know my questions might seem stupid, I apologize.

Re: MAKLEY, Gazen, Noujd- Gezseny, Ung m. Haz'in, SK

ZlaticaBeca — 2013-06-15 03:01:20Z

Hi

I do see Hazin, Czechoslovakia on the draft card. If this is your ancestor than this is where you start going thru the church records as long as you know religion of your ancestor.
Did either John or Anna have social security numbers?
Have you found their obituary?
Any way for you to follow Anna's brothers paper trail?

Re: Cismar, Csiszmar, Czizmar

ZlaticaBeca — 2013-06-14 21:43:36Z

BurgessDonnelly (View posts) Posted: 8 Jul 2012 6:34PM
Classification: Query
Surnames: Cismar, Makley

On familysearch.org, I looked for a birth record for Anna Cismar. Found the baptism of an Anna Cismár, daughter of Joannes Cismár and Anna Czibulyas born 1889, in Pakostov, Stropkov, Slovakia. There is an image of the baptismal register.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V1QL-D47
Name: Anna Cismár
Event: Baptism
Date: 1889
Place: Pakostov, Stropkov, Slovakia
Gender: Female
Father: Joannes Cismár
Mother: Anna Czibulyas
Page Number: 41
Entry Number: 13
Digital Folder number: 004405911
Image Number: 00618
Collection: Slovakia, Church and Synagogue Books, 1592-1910

John Makley may be more difficult to find, because Makley may have been altered to a more Americanized spelling. John would likely be Joannes in the old registers.

Pakostov, Slovakia
1773 Pakaszto, Pakasto, 1786 Pakaszto, 1808 Pakasztó, Pakastow, 1863–1902 Pakasztó, 1907–1913 Zemplénpálhegy, 1920 Pakostov, Pakaštovce, 1927– Pakostov [all the names this village was known by]

If this is your female ancestor than that would suggest that she married Janos MAKELY in US as the villages are not within close distance.
http://www.maplandia.com/slovakia/presov/humenne/pakostov/
http://www.maplandia.com/slovakia/kosice/michalovce/hazin/

arr. NY EI
Cismar, Istvan Csiroka, Hungary 34 1878 1912
Cismar, Jan Dubravka, Cz-SL. 28 1895 1923
Cismar, Jan Nemeska, Czechoslovakia 31 1891 1922
Cismar, Janos Felsotekes, Hungary 18 1894 1912
Cismar, Janos Lastocz, Hungary 26 1883 1909
Cismar, Johann Petersdorf 25 1877 1902
Cismar, Jurai Krasnovce, Sloavkia 17 1903 1920
Cismar, Maria DETAINED 0 1911 1911
Cismar, Marton Cz. Bela 18 1883 1901
Ciszmar, Janos Leskoutz, Hungary 32 1878 1910
Csiszmar, Anna Nagymihaly, Hungary 17 1893 1910
Csiszmar, Jysigy S. Gyorgy, Hungary 26 1879 1905
Csiszmar, Maria Kurnozfalva, Hungary 17 1897 1914
Csiszmar, Mihaly Tibavdralga 25 1881 1906
Cziszmar, Ferenc M. Takany 18 1888 1906
Cziszmar, Gyorgy 19 1873 1892
Cziszmar, Janos 29 1866 1895
Cziszmar, Jitvan 18 1877 1895
Czizsmar, Erzsebet Koskocz, Hungary 18 1888 1906
Czizsmar, Erzsi Kladsan 18 1883 1901
Czizsmar, Mari Belez 26 1875 1901
Czizsmar, Stefan Hvoznic 23 1877 1900
Czizmar, Anna Szingler, Hungary 25 1889 1914
Czizmar, Anna Hettiars, Hungary 45 1863 1908
Czizmar, Anna Hollohaza 9 1896 1905
Czizmar, Gyorgy Csecseko, Hungary 36 1857 1893
Esizmar, Andros Dluha 45 1855 1900
Esizmar, Jstvan Batler 32 1869 1901
Esizmar, Maria Szt Peter 15 1890 1905
Esizmar, Martonne Szt Peter 35 1870 1905

Re: MAKLEY, Gazen, Noujd- Gezseny, Ung m. Haz'in, SK

ZlaticaBeca — 2013-06-14 19:36:16Z

from a Joyful poster to you on another board:
World War I Draft Registration
John Makley
age 30
Home address: 11 W 53, Bayonne, NJ
Date of birth: April 15, 1887
Are you a Citizen: Intention Declared
Where born: Gazen, Noujd, Austria

*Gazen - Hazin [Michalovce not far] Noujd is Ung megye
http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/maps/1910/ung.jpg [GEZSENY on this map]left margin small 45 and Nagymihaly - Michalovce

http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/tantort/2003/palyazat/40-49_ungva... left side margin NAGYMIHALY inward to GEZSENY

http://www.mapywig.org/m/WIG100_300DPI/P53_S34_4468_Humenne_... bottom of the map location HAZ'IN.
Of what country are you a citizen: Austria
*Austria is incorrect it should be Hungary but that is OK as it was A-H http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/authung.htm
http://brainworker.ch/Oesterreich/Austria-hungary.png

Occupation: Track Foreman
By whom employed: James McCoy RRR Co, Greenville, New Jersey
Dependents: Wife and 3 children
Married, Caucasian
Medium height, Medium build, Gray eyes, brown hair
filed 5 June 1917, Bayonne, Hudson, New Jersey

1920 United States Federal Census
Bayonne, Hudson, New Jersey
5 January 1920
138 W 50 Street
Makley, John, head, m, w, 33, m, 1905 Pa 1910, Austria (Slovak), Austria (Slovak), Austria (Slovak), Foreman, railroad
Anna, wife, f, w, 33, m, 1905 al, Austria (Slovak), Austria (Slovak), Austria (Slovak)
Michael, son, m, w, 9, s, New Jersey, Austria (Slovak), Austria (Slovak)
John, son, m, w, 8, s, New Jersey, Austria (Slovak), Austria (Slovak)
George, son, m, w, 5, s, New Jersey, Austria (Slovak), Austria (Slovak)
Joseph, son, m, w, 1 10/12, s, New Jersey, Austria (Slovak), Austria (Slovak)

http://www.jewishgen.org/communities/loctown.asp

http://www.maplandia.com/slovakia/kosice/michalovce/hazin/

Re: Makely, Makel^

ZlaticaBeca — 2013-06-14 18:39:04Z

RhiannanKristina
If you like, you can contact me thru Ancestry that is if you have subscription to Ancestry, as I don't.

http://genforum.genealogy.com/how-to/

http://www.geneasearch.com/beginner.htm

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rwguide/

http://www.tedpack.org/goodpost.html

http://www.archives.gov/research/naturalization/naturalizati...
http://www.genealogybranches.com/naturalization.html

When did your John MAKELY [Janos Makely/Jan MAKEL^] left this earth? Did he have social security numbers?
One would think that children church baptismal record would have a parents place of birth. Do you know John and Anna married in USA?

Re: Kobik, Kobrick, Sirko

ZlaticaBeca — 2013-06-14 13:37:29Z

http://boards.ancestry.com/localities.ceeurope.slovakia.gene...

No KOBRIK,
Priezvisko KOBÍK sa na Slovensku v roku 1995 nachádzalo 5×, celkový počet lokalít: 3, v lokalitách:
ČEMERNÉ (obec VRANOV NAD TOPĽOU), okr. VRANOV NAD TOPĽOU – 2×;
BREZNO, okr. BANSKÁ BYSTRICA (od r. 1996 BREZNO) – 2×;
RUŽOMBEROK, okr. LIPTOVSKÝ MIKULÁŠ (od r. 1996 RUŽOMBEROK) – 1×;
No KABRIK.

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He settled in Cleveland, Ohio, and married Mary Ferko in 1923. Their marriage certificate states his mother as Helen Kobrick and his father as "Unknown". From what I've found, his mother was Ilona Sirko >>>>>>

Do you have his and Mary's FERKO's church marriage RECORD? The marriage certificate does not show a place of birth.

Re: Kobik, Kobrick, Sirko

mmkobrick — 2013-06-14 04:11:41Z

I know he didn't arrive in Ellis Island, but rather arrived in Boston, Mass. All of the manifest/naturalization info is the right George Kobrick. I think I need to research his grand father, Palivoda. However, all of the Mike Palivoda's I've found would have been way to young to be him. I'm assuming Mike Palivoda would have been his maternal grandfather, which doesn't answer any of the questions I have about his parents. His surname in Slovakia would have been either Kobik,Kobrik or Kabrik.

Re: Kobrick, Gabrik

ZlaticaBeca — 2013-06-14 03:15:34Z

mmkobrick
What if the surname is GABRIK?
http://slovniky.korpus.sk/?w=gabrik&c=M551
Most of the GABRIK, GABRYK arriving thru NY EI were from Papina - Papin.
GABRIK still in Papin's phone book.
www.zoznamst.sk

from Slovak Pride Index www.helenezx.homestead.com
surname; location; descendant
Sirko Arok Aust-Hung. Williams
Sirko Ubla ZEMPLIN Sirko
Gabrick Papin ZEMPLIN Pekala
Gabrik ? Batson
Gabrik Vysne Repase SPIS Hendershot

Re: Cabina Vys. - Cabiny

ZlaticaBeca — 2013-06-14 02:35:34Z

mmkobrick

You might consider requesting your ancestor's SS-5Form, if you have not already.

George Kobrick
Born: 1897 Died: 1970
State of last residence: Ohio
State issued: Ohio

http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/maps/1910/zemplen.jpg
Felso and Also Csebenye top of the map by #4.

http://krajzemplin.szm.com/indexenglish.htm

http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/tantort/2003/palyazat/40-49_ungva... left side margin #253 below 539

http://www.mapywig.org/m/WIG100_300DPI/P52_S34_LUPKOW_300dpi...
left side margin between large 88 and 84 Vysnie Cabiny and Niznie Cabiny.

Re: Kobik, Kobrick, Sirko

ZlaticaBeca — 2013-06-14 01:45:08Z

I don't have a paid subscription to Ancestry so can only view NY Ellis Island arrival manifest.

Taking a guess at the locations. Most likely the manifest is typed so it would not help me any to see it.

Cabina Vys.
Vyšné Čabiny: Felső-Csebinye, Wissne Cž[e]binye, 1786 Felschő-Cschebinye, 1808 Felső-Csebinye, Horní Cžebině, 1863 Felsőcsebénye, 1873–1902 Felsőcsebinye, 1907–1913 Felsőcsebény, 1920 Vyšné Čabine, 1927–1964 Vyšné Čabiny
now with Nižné Čabiny and Hŕbkovské Čabiny as Čabiny

http://www.mapy.cz/#!x=21.927095&y=49.177724&z=12&am...

Priezvisko PALIVODA sa na Slovensku v roku 1995 nachádzalo 7×, celkový počet lokalít: 2, v lokalitách:
UBĽA, okr. HUMENNÉ (od r. 1996 SNINA) – 5×;
MEDZILABORCE, okr. HUMENNÉ (od r. 1996 MEDZILABORCE) – 2×;

==================================
Palivoda, Mihaly F. Csebinoge 27 1874 1901
Palivoda, Steve Visnecabine, Cz Slov. 17 1903 1920
source: www.ellisislandrecords.org
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surnames in 1995 in Cabiny [includes females]
V obci ČABINY (okr. HUMENNÉ) sa v roku 1995 nachádzali najčastejšie tieto priezviská: FEJKO 19×; FEJKOVÁ 17×; DONIČ 15×; DONIČOVÁ 12×; ŠKOVRAN 11×; GAVULA 10×; ŠKOVRANOVÁ 9×; MOROZ 8×; SOLEJ 7×; KUSKOVÁ 7×; KUSKO 7×; SOLEJOVÁ 7×; ČUMOVÁ 6×; DURILA 6×; BEŇOVÁ 6×; MOROZOVÁ 6×; URAMOVÁ 6×; GAVULOVÁ 6×; RUĎAK 5×; URAM 5×; JALČ 5×; BEŇO 5×; TAPTIČOVÁ 4×; BELEJ 4×; ČEREMETOVÁ 4×; SALNICKÝ 4×; ČABALA 4×; FIRKAĽOVÁ 4×; ČERŇA 4×; BAJCURA 4×; ŠUŤAKOVÁ 4×; ČABALOVÁ 4×; BURJAKOVÁ 4×; ČVIRK 4×; HARAHUS 4×; MIHALISKO 4×; SIRIKOVÁ 4×; ČVIRKOVÁ 4×; GALIŠIN 4×; JAROŠ 3×; PIDANÝ 3×; ŽURKOVSKÝ 3×; PIDANÁ 3×; ZUBEK 3×; MOCHNÁČ 3×; SALAK 3×; BOČKORIKOVÁ 3×; LAPIŠÁKOVÁ 3×; DURILOVÁ 3×; TAPTIČ 3×; JALČOVÁ 3×; MEĽUCH 3×; SALAKOVÁ 3×; JAROŠOVÁ 3×; TREBIŠOVSKÝ 3×; ŠKOVRÁNOVÁ 3×; GULOVÁ 3×; MIHALISKOVÁ 3×; BAŤKOVÁ 3×; COMPĽÁK 3×; PANČURA 3×; ČUKALOVSKÁ 3×; SUCHÝ 3×; RUĎÁK 3×; BAŤKO 2×; MOCHNAČOVÁ 2×; HARBISTOVÁ 2×; SALAMON 2×; VAVRIK 2×; DEMJANOVIČOVÁ 2×; STEZÁR 2×; HERMANOVÁ 2×; BURJAK 2×; DRUGOVÁ 2×; ZELINKOVÁ 2×; BOČKORÍK 2×; DURILLA 2×; SALAMONOVÁ 2×; ŽURKOVSKÁ 2×; HUSÁR 2×; KUMIČÁKOVÁ 2×; BARNOVÁ 2×; KOHÚT 2×; GULA 2×; CHUDINOVÁ 2×; RUSINKO 2×; KOHUT 2×; BOČKORIK 2×; KANTUĽAKOVÁ 2×; ADZIMA 2×; RAK 2×; HARAHUSOVÁ 2×; CHUDINA 2×; DŽUBARA 2×; HRUSTIČ 2×; KOHÚTOVÁ 2×; DRUGA 2×; ČEREMETA 2×; TOTCIMAKOVÁ 2×; BARNA 2×, ...

Re: Kobik, Kobrick, Sirko

mmkobrick — 2013-06-14 00:57:26Z

Ilona Sirko & Janos Kobik being his parents were just an assumption I had made in my researxh. George Kobrick (b.April 23, 1897) arrived in Boston, Mass. on Feb. 24, 1921. He arrived on the Zeeland ship, which departed from Belgium. The manifest has him listed as "Jiri Kabrik" & his mother as "Ilja Kobrik". I didn't realize the manifest had a page 2 and missed some important info. His grandfather, Miko or Mike Palivoda had paid for his ticket, and per the manifest, Jiri was headed to his grandfather's residence at: 3916 Fustin St., Cleveland, OH (address on his marriage certificate. Per the manifest, Jiri was living in Babuy Vys. & was born in Cabina Vys. His laborer papers state his name as Jiri Kabrik, and his naturalization papers in 1928 state his name as George Kobrick (americanized name). The 1928 naturalization papers state he was born in Visne, CzechoSlovak. I'm not sure why his name was Jiri and not Juraj if he was Slovak. His manifest info has him as Slovakian. I know all of the villages have changed names since the Austro Hungary empire, but I can't find any of those locations. Not only that, but I have no idea now who his parents are. I was able to track a lot of this info down from what my dad has told me (who passed away in 2001 when I was 20).

Re: Makely, Cizmar

ZlaticaBeca — 2013-06-13 14:46:01Z

https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1&c...

Re: Kobik, Kobrick, Sirko

ZlaticaBeca — 2013-06-13 12:54:18Z

You're welcome.
Why is your ancestor's first name Jiri, which is Czech and not Juraj on the arrival manifest and his passport?
Do you have his arrival manifest?
It does look like a Janos KOBIK did travel twice to America. Did you look on the manifest to confirm it is one and the same? www.ellisislandrecords.org
Why you suspect that Janos returned back to Slovakia? You will only find an arrival to and not departure from America.
HRICOVA [female] list in Vechec's phone book.

Re: Kobik, Kobrick, Sirko

mmkobrick — 2013-06-13 04:17:24Z

Thanks!! I was able to find baptism information for Ilona Sirko. It looks like she was born in Vechec, Vranov Nad Toplou; parents Janos Sirko & Anna Hritz. I can't find information on Jiri Kobik in Slovakia or when Ilona died in Slovakia. It looks as if her husband, Janos Kobik traveled to America twice, in 1902 & 1909...am I correct? Also, I can't find anything indicating he ever returned to Slovakia after the 1909.

Re: Kobik, Kobrick, Sirko

ZlaticaBeca — 2013-06-13 03:43:15Z

https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1&c...

an ALL site for research in Slovakia www.iabsi.com/gen/public

KOBIK in Vranov nad Toplou's phone book.
www.zoznamst.sk

SIRKO in 1995 in Slovakia in these locations:
http://slovniky.korpus.sk/?w=sirko&c=V849

http://slovniky.korpus.sk/?w=kobik&c=t447

Kobik, Helena Lermerne, Czecko-Sl 21 1901 1922
Kobik, Helena Lemerne, Czecho-Sl 21 1901 1922
Kobik, Jan 2 1905 1907
Kobik, Janos Csemernye, Hungary 37 1872 1909
Kobik, Janos Czemanil 30 1872 1902
Kobik, Maria Csemernye 16 1883 1899
The above location is
Čemerné: 1773 Csemernye, Cžemerne, 1786 Cschemernye, 1808 Varannó-Csemernye, Wřanowské Cžemerné, 1863–1902 Varannócsemernye, 1907–1913 Csemernye, 1920 Vranovské Čemerné, Čemerné, 1927–1970 Čemerné and now part of Vranov nad Toplou. The KOBIK listed in VnT phone book lives on Cemernianska ulica [Cemerne street]

Most likely Byzantine Catholic.
Ilona is Magyar for Helen/Helena. Ilja is just a typing error.

Kobik, Helena Lermerne, Czecko-Sl 21 1901 1922 She is going to cousin SIRKO John.

Kobik, Kobrick, Sirko

mmkobrick — 2013-06-13 02:11:11Z

My great-grandfather, Jiri Kobik (later changed to George Kobrick), arrived in America in 1921, from Czechoslovakia.I believe he was from the Vranov nad Toplou district of the Presov region. He settled in Cleveland, Ohio, and married Mary Ferko in 1923. Their marriage certificate states his mother as Helen Kobrick and his father as "Unknown". From what I've found, his mother was Ilona Sirko (he also had her listed as "Ilja" on his ship manifest) and father was Janos Kobik. I would like any information on my great-grandfather and his family in Slovakia. Event though he raised his family in Cleveland as Catholic, my father thought my great-grandfather was raised Orthodox, which leads me to believe he may have been Rusyn. Also, prior to arriving in America, he was captured by Russians in WW1, and was put in a Gulag,released when the war ended. Any information is appreciated.

Re: DORIC, DANKO

ZlaticaBeca — 2013-06-11 02:14:39Z

You're welcome. You are a lucky descendant to have an ancestor that shared about his family.
Zlatica

Re: Help translating this G.C. 1869 marriage entry

Jentrex54 — 2013-06-11 02:07:00Z

Thank you! I've been googling Cyrillic and printed out a little chart which has helped. Also trying to learn a bit about Cyrillic.

Re: DORIC, DANKO

Jentrex54 — 2013-06-11 01:52:06Z

Thanks! That was very kind of you to post. I recognize a few names from Katlanos. My grandfather, born in 1902 and died in 2002 (yes that's right) shared everything he could remember about any family member that came to America, not always to stay. Janos, his father, came at least a dozen times only to earn money to buy more land in Horna.

Re: Looking for Kizmans

ZlaticaBeca — 2013-06-10 16:34:33Z

Slovakia's phone book is listing KIZMAN in Sol.
www.zoznamst.sk

KIZMAN in 1995 in Slovakia:
http://slovniky.korpus.sk/?w=kizman&c=id6d

Looking for Kizmans

thehoucks2007 — 2013-06-10 16:18:35Z

Looking for Kizmans from Slovakia. In particular Jan Kizman father of Joseph, Emmerich, and Eva Viktoria. Eva came to America in 1950. All were once in concentration camps in WWII.

Re: Help translating this G.C. 1869 marriage entry

Mick__ — 2013-06-10 08:14:15Z

It is written in Rusyn Cyrillic...
Entry #14, Michail Doric (a farmer), Horna #48, greek-catholic (he was not roman-catholic!), 26 years old, single, 23 NOV 1869, Anna Dankov (a farmer), Horna #6, greek-catholic, 26 years old, single, witnesses were Pavel Psiak and Michael Doric, both farmers, name of priest was Augustin Jacencak, marriage bans were announced 3 times.

Mick arusm@yahoo.com

Re: DORIC, DANKO

ZlaticaBeca — 2013-06-10 02:39:07Z

You're welcome.
arr. NY EI
Danko, Janos Katlanos, Hungary 18 1889 1907
Danko, Janos Katlanos 16 1889 1905
Danko, Michal Katlanos 44 1866 1910
Danko, Mihaly Katlanos 44 1861 1905
Danko, Pal Katlanos 16 1890 1906
Dorick, Anna Katlanos, Hungary 22 1893 1915
Dorick, Anna Katlanos, Hungary 1 1914 1915
Dorics, Gyacsok Erzsi Katlanos 20 1886 1906
Dorics, Maria Katlanos, Hungary 18 1893 1911
Danko, Pal Hornya 16 1884 1900
Dorics, Janos Hornya 17 1883 1900
Dorics, Mihaly Hornya 16 1884 1900
Dorics, Mihaly Hornya 32 1869 1901
Durics, Janos Hornya 32 1867 1899
Doric, Michal Horna, Cz.Slov. 24 1898 1922
Doris, Janos Horna 32 1870 1902
Doricz, Andre Hornye, Cz. Slovak 19 1901 1920
Daric, Pawel Harna, Slovakia 17 1903 1920
DANKOVA [female] in Horna's phone book.

http://genforum.com/danko/

Re: Help translating this G.C. 1869 marriage entry

Jentrex54 — 2013-06-10 01:53:54Z

Most Danko family members were Greek Catholic. I thought I was reading something different. Thanks for the confirmation.

Re: Help translating this G.C. 1869 marriage entry

Jentrex54 — 2013-06-10 01:50:04Z

Thank you for all the links and info. Much appreciated.

Re: Help translating this G.C. 1869 marriage entry

marksabol21 — 2013-06-10 01:20:49Z

I cannot read the Cyrillic well, but it looks to me like the entry identifies both Michail and Anna as Greek Catholic.

Re: Help translating this G.C. 1869 marriage entry

ZlaticaBeca — 2013-06-10 01:09:50Z

Byzantine Catholic church records, in your case are in Cyrillic.

I hear from Ukraine's board regular that using http://www.bing.com/translator works good on Cyrillic.

Horňa . 1773, 1786, 1863–1902, 1939–1945 Hornya, 1808 Hornyá, Felsőfalu, Horňá, 1907–1913 Katlanos, 1920 Horná, 1927–1939, 1945– Horňa [all the names this location was known by]

surname DORIC^ in 1995 in Slovakia in these locations:
http://slovniky.korpus.sk/?w=doric&c=Z588

DORIC^ in Horna's phone book. http://telefonny.zoznam.sk/doric/horna/

www.iabsi.com/gen/public

Map of 1910 Ung megye:
http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/maps/1910/ung.jpg
placenames in Ung megye:
http://www.bogardi.com/gen/g162.shtml
http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/tantort/2003/palyazat/index.htm
http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/tantort/2003/palyazat/40-49_ungva... NAGYMIHALY [Michalovce] inward to Katlanos.

Help translating this G.C. 1869 marriage entry

Jentrex54 — 2013-06-09 23:55:43Z

Last entry #14. I believe the names in this 1869 marriage entry are Michael Doric and Anna Danko, married November 23, 1869. He is Roman Catholic, 26 yrs old and living at #48 Hornya. She is Greek Catholic, 19 yrs old and living at #6 Hornya. Do I have this correct? I can't translate all the info on this entry. Also what is that spelling for Michael?
These Greek Catholic entries are so difficult to translate. Thank you so much.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-13034-115527-25...

Re: Looking for Kabana's

marksabol21 — 2013-06-09 14:38:42Z

If the name had been written according to Magyar/Hungarian spelling rules (as would have been required by some officials around 1900), its form would be Kabanya. In Slovak, the same pronunciation is evoked by the spellings Kabania and Kabanja or (more likely recently) KABAŇA. A kaban'a was a kind of short coat worn by men.

Re: Looking for Kabana's

KabanaE — 2013-06-09 04:03:46Z

My grandparents are Charles and Josephine Kabana they lived in Latrobe PA. The only thing I know is that our last name used to be spelled with a y. I wish I knew more to help you with.

Re: Kabana board

ZlaticaBeca — 2013-06-09 02:47:36Z

http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.kabana/1/mb.ashx
http://boards.ancestry.com/localities.ceeurope.slovakia.gene...
http://genforum.com/kabana/

Re: KABANA

ZlaticaBeca — 2013-06-09 02:38:09Z

You're welcome.
It is easy once you establish a place of birth.

http://www.mapy.cz/#!x=17.447290&y=48.610991&z=12&am...

In Jablonica KABAN^A and female KABAN^OVA
http://telefonny.zoznam.sk/kabanova/jablonica/

map of Nyitra megye Hungary:
http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/maps/1910/nyitra.jpg

Re: KABANA

KabanaE — 2013-06-09 02:23:18Z

Those are my grandparents. All I know is that they were catholic. I wish I had more info Thank You so much for your info. I am going to try to dig up more info. Since my mom was adopted I thought it would be easier to find my fathers heritage. It bothers me not knowing where my family comes from. You helped I think I getting closer

Re: Kabana

KabanaE — 2013-06-09 02:17:04Z

I don't know much about them. I remember my grandfather saying our last name was spelled differently and I remember a y being in it and they were catholic. It's pitiful I don't know much and can't get many answers. My mother's side is worse since she was adopted. I do appreciate the info you gave me I'm going to try to dig up some more info. Thank you

Re: KABANA

ZlaticaBeca — 2013-06-09 02:03:59Z

KabanaE

Are these your ancestors in SSDI? If yes than you might want to request their SS-5Form. By any chance you know Josephine's maiden name?

Josephine I. Kabana
Born: 1914 Died: 2009
State of last residence: Pennsylvania
State issued: Pennsylvania

Charles L. Kabana
Born: 1914 Died: 2001
State of last residence: Pennsylvania
State issued: Pennsylvania

http://www.radixindex.com/en/surname_index/surname/kabanya

Re: Kabana

ZlaticaBeca — 2013-06-09 01:55:23Z

KabanaE
Someplace in the ancestors US records should be a place of birth. Do look for their naturalization intent % petition; social security numbers SS-5Form, church marriage record, if married in USA, children church baptismal record.

An ALL site for research in Slovakia:
www.iabsi.com/gen/public

https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1&c...

KABAN^As in 1995 in Slovakia in these locations:
Priezvisko KABAŇA sa na Slovensku v roku 1995 nachádzalo 28×, celkový počet lokalít: 7, v lokalitách:
JABLONICA, okr. SENICA – 10×;
TRNAVA, okr. TRNAVA – 7×;
MYJAVA, okr. SENICA (od r. 1996 MYJAVA) – 4×;
RAČA (obec BRATISLAVA), okr. BRATISLAVA – 4×;
NOVÁ DUBNICA, okr. POVAŽSKÁ BYSTRICA (od r. 1996 ILAVA) – 1×;
SENICA, okr. SENICA – 1×;
NOVÉ MESTO (obec BRATISLAVA), okr. BRATISLAVA – 1×;

arr. NY Ellis Island www.ellisislandrecords.org KABANA and KABANYA
Kabanya, Jan Jablowicz, Hungary 50 1855 1905
Kabanya, Karolyn Jablowina 30 1873 1903
Kabanya, Frygies Hungary, Fablonicz 15 1890 1905
KABANA, ALBINA JABLONICZ NYITTA 18 1887 1905
Kabana, Alfred Yablonica 11 1893 1904
Kabana, Jan Jablonic 15 1887 1902
Kabana, Josef Jablowiz 25 1880 1905
Kabana, Florian Jablomira 10 1890 1900

Re: Kabana

marksabol21 — 2013-06-09 01:49:55Z

I take it Charles and Josephine are the immigrants. Did they marry in the Old Country or did they meet and marry in the US? What was their religious denomination? Do you have any information regarding their village(s) of origin?

Most people arriving at Ellis Island surnamed Kaban'a (pronounced "KAH-bah-nyah") were from the large village/small town of Jablonica (pronounced "YAH-blo-nyeet-sah"; "jablon'" = apple tree) in western Slovakia.

Jablonica (in former Nitra County) Old names for the place:
1773 Jabloncza, Jablonitz, Jablonicza, 1786 Jabloncza, Jablonicz, 1808 Jabloncza, Jablonitz, Jablonica, 1863–1873 Jablonca, 1877–1907 Jablonic, 1913 Jablánc, 1920– Jablonica
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V obci JABLONICA (okr. SENICA) sa v roku 1995 nachádzali najčastejšie tieto priezviská:
[=In the community JABLONICA (district SENICA) in the year 1995 were found most often these surnames:]

BÚRAN 21×; MALÍK 19×; BÚRANOVÁ 19×; JUROVATÝ 19×; JUROVATÁ 18×; MALÍKOVÁ 18×; BEŇOVÁ 17×; HOLOŠKA 16×; PAVLÍKOVÁ 16×; KRCHŇAVÝ 15×; JÁNOŠÍKOVÁ 14×; ŽÁK 13×; KALAY 12×; PERIČKOVÁ 12×; HAZUCHOVÁ 12×; ČMARADOVÁ 12×; BEŇA 12×; PERIČKA 12×; PETERKA 12×; ŽÁKOVÁ 12×; ŠTVRTECKÁ 11×; MIKULOVÁ 11×; BAŇÁREK 11×; ĎURIŠ 11×; ŠKÁPIKOVÁ 11×; BARTOŠ 11×; DRINKA 11×; ĎURIŠOVÁ 11×; ČMARADA 11×; GBELCOVÁ 11×; NESTAREC 11×; ORAVEC 11×; KRCHŇAVÁ 10×; PAVLÍK 10×; BREZOVSKÁ 10×; JÁNOŠÍK 10×; GÁLIKOVÁ 10×; POLÁČKOVÁ 10×; OSLEJOVÁ 10×; PETERKOVÁ 10×; KRUTÝ 10×; KRUTÁ 10×; HORVÁTHOVÁ 10×; VÁVROVÁ 10×; HAMERLÍKOVÁ 10×; POLÁČEK 10×; KABAŇA 10×; TOMKOVÁ 10×; STANKOVÁ 9×; ORAVCOVÁ 9×; STANEK 9×; MIKÚŠEK 9×; HAMERLÍK 9×; KOCÚRIKOVÁ 9×; REHÁK 9×; ROMAN 9×; TOMEK 9×; ŠPANKOVÁ 9×; KOCÚRIK 9×; HAZUCHA 9×; OSLEJ 8×; HARNÚŠKOVÁ 8×; HERÁKOVÁ 8×; ZEMANOVÁ 8×; SLÁDKOVÁ 8×; BARTOŠOVÁ 8×; KOPECKÁ 8×; KUKAN 8×; MIHELOVÁ 8×; DRINKOVÁ 8×; ZÁVODNÝ 8×; GÁLIK 8×; LUKÁČOVÁ 8×; BREZOVSKÝ 8×; KALAYOVÁ 8×; KONEČNÁ 8×; HOLOŠKOVÁ 8×; ŠKÁPIK 7×; MORÁVKOVÁ 7×; KABAŇOVÁ 7×;

Kabana

KabanaE — 2013-06-08 23:46:38Z

My grandparents are Charles and Josephine Kabana. They are both deceased now. They lived in Latrobe PA. The had 4 kids 1 girl 3 boys. Besides knowing my aunt, uncles and cousins, I have no idea about my family tree and would like to know who and where I really come from. If anybody might know info please let me know

Re: TOMC'O from Slovakia

ZlaticaBeca — 2013-06-07 18:50:41Z

Tomco, Maria Hazlin, Cz. Slov. 17 1903 1920
Tomco, Pavel Hazlin, Cz. Slov. 38 1885 1923
Tomco, Peter Cire, Cz. Slovakia 27 1895 1922
Tomco, Peter Domamince, Cz. Slov. 24 1898 1922
Tomco, Michael Domanince, Russia 19 1901 1920
Tomco, Zusanna Budhovec, Cz.Slov. 25 1895 1920
Tomcos, Istvan Or...czo 16 1885 1901
Tomcova, Borka Nizne Domamince, Cz.Slov. 22 1900 1922
Tomco, Imre Hungary 24 1883 1907
source: www.ellisislandrecords.org

https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1&c...

from Slovak Pride Index www.helenezx.homestead.com
surname/location/ descendant
Tomco ? Singleton
Tomco Hazlin SARIS Tomondi
Tomcso Slivnik ZEMPLIN Hendershot

Re: Tomko from Slovakia

ZlaticaBeca — 2013-06-07 18:40:05Z

ndgrichards

TOMC^Os in 1995 in Slovakia:
Priezvisko TOMČO sa na Slovensku v roku 1995 nachádzalo 231×, celkový počet lokalít: 59, najčastejšie výskyty v lokalitách:
ČAŇA, okr. KOŠICE-VIDIEK (od r. 1996 KOŠICE - OKOLIE) – 18×;
HAŽLÍN, okr. BARDEJOV – 17×;
SOBRANCE, okr. MICHALOVCE (od r. 1996 SOBRANCE) – 14×;
MICHALOVCE, okr. MICHALOVCE – 13×;
ZÁPAD (obec KOŠICE), okr. KOŠICE – 13×;
KOROMĽA, okr. MICHALOVCE (od r. 1996 SOBRANCE) – 8×;
PREŠOV, okr. PREŠOV – 8×;
PETROVCE, okr. MICHALOVCE (od r. 1996 SOBRANCE) – 7×;
VYŠNÁ ŠEBASTOVÁ, okr. PREŠOV – 7×;
DARGOVSKÝCH HRDINOV (obec KOŠICE), okr. KOŠICE – 7×;
...

Your ancestor's US documents should have a place of birth.
from EI Andras is Hungarian for Andrew:
Tomcso, Andras G. Kishont, Hungary 18 1889 1907
Tomcso, Andras Papusso 9 1892 1901
Tomcso, Andrasz Butkany, Hungary 26 1887 1913

an ALL site for research in Slovakia should help in your quest
www.iabsi.com/gen/public

Re: Tomko from Slovakia

ndgrichards — 2013-06-07 17:35:35Z

Hello.

My name is Nicholas.I believe my great grandfather is Andrew Tomco (Tomcho). My grand mother grew up in Pennsylvania. Her fathers name was Andrew Tomcho and her mother was susan tomcho. Unfortunately my grandmother died in 2003 so its hard to find out for sure. Was 2 of the 9 children twins?
The 9 children's in my family's names were Helen, Joseph, Andrew, Frankie, John, Susan, Steve all have passed away except for John and I am unsure about the twins. They died at birth. Cousins still living and spouses of some of the deceased.

Please contact my mother or myself at lilypaddad@aol.com (mine) my2twobabies@aol.com (my mothers)

Re: Reisman from Ungvar

ZlaticaBeca — 2013-06-07 17:22:11Z

carinpacifico

There is a village Siroke in Saris region:
Široké, šariš.
1773 Siroka, Siroke, 1786 Schiroka, 1808 Siroka, Ssiroká, 1863–1913 Siroka, 1920– Široké [all the names this location was known by].
I think you are looking for a location:
Zemplínska Široká
1960–1961 Rebrín-Krášok, 1961– Zemplínska Široká
Krášok: 1773, 1873–1882 Kraska, 1786 Kraschka, 1808 Kraska, Krassky, 1863, 1888–1913 Kráska, 1920 Kráska, Krašok, 1927–1960 Krášok
Rebrín: 1773, 1863–1902 Rebrin, 1808 Rebrin, Řebrýn, 1907–1913 Rebrény, 1920–1960 Rebrín

http://www.mapy.cz/#!x=22.001884&y=48.691958&z=12&am...

The location Zemplinska Siroka still alive.

http://www.obeczemplinskasiroka.sk/

https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1&c...

www.iabsi.com/gen/public

http://genforum.genealogy.com/cgi-genforum/messagehistory.cg...

http://www.radixforum.com/surnames/weiss/

Map of Ung megye where also a city Ungvar:
http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/maps/1910/ung.jpg

Re: RE:stephen finta

TomSalony — 2013-06-07 17:13:18Z

bonnie,
WHERE in the U.S. ????
There is a WWI Draft Registration here on Ancestry for a Steve Finta(Dec. 11, 1875) married to Anna, living in Caro,Tuscola, Michigan.
It would help if you would explain what sources you have used to find the 1880 year of birth, the "Siogard, Hungary" place of birth, & especially the 1907 year of arrival.
There are a few "Istvan FINTA"s on the Ellis Island site, but without more background info from you, there's no easy way to determine if one of them may be the person you search.

TOM

Re: Reisman from Ungvar

carinpacifico — 2013-06-07 16:33:42Z

This is exciting news. My search could not be more difficult since the only surname I know is Weiss (or Weisz or Veis) and Ungvar sits on the most difficult border of this benighted region. We do not know whether the family had a house in the city, or was just from a village near enough to tell the transit authorities they were from Ungvar. There is a family anecdote about a family gristmill and ice-skating on the river nearby, so it is likely that our Veis GGgrandparents were villagers, but we are not sure. I also don't know whether to look west of town, now in Slovakia, or east of town in the Ukraine. One ship's manifest lists "Siroke" as place of origin. This may be on the Laborec River, (now submerged?).
Is it possible to hire someone there who reads Yiddish to research the records for my family? My father is beginning to develop alzheimers and I would love to be able to give him some of his history while he's still with us. His Greatgrandfather's first name was listed as Herman, wife Sarah on a New York City marriage license in 1905. I don't know if his Yiddish first name was Chaim or something else. The oldest son, who left for New York in 1893 was Ignatz, the second son was Samuel.