Szabolcs-Szatmar-Bereg - Family History & Genealogy Message Board

Re: Translation Help Hungarian to English - Birth and Marriage Record

Tasman99 — 2013-05-19 22:29:37Z

Hello JPmiaou, Thank you very much for the wonderful help.
Excellent detail that will help discover even more records.
Take care, Tas

Re: Translation Help Hungarian to English - Birth and Marriage Record

JPmiaou — 2013-05-19 21:49:18Z

(The handwriting on the birth record is particularly sloppy, so I'm not entirely certain of things like house-numbers and street names.)

No. 562.
Dated in Polgár, Dec. 29, 1900
Informant: Mrs. Steven Varga née Anna M???, occupation midwife, residence Polgár, Palota [palace] street no. 333, known personally to assistant registrar.
Father: John Kovács, Roman Catholic, agricultural day-laborer, residence North America Ohio state, birthplace Polgár, age 27 years
Mother: Mrs. John Kovács née Klara Elek, Roman Catholic, occupation household, residence Polgár Keskeny [narrow] street no. 502, birthplace Polgár, age 20 years
The birth: location Polgár Keskeny street no. 502, date Dec. 24, 1900, 3 p.m.
The child: gender male, religion Roman Catholic, given name László [Leslie, Ladislaus]
Remarks: informant states that she assisted with the birth.

No. 60.
Dated in Polgár, Oct. 23, 1897
Registrar John Virányi
Groom: John Kovács, Roman Catholic, agricultural day-laborer, residence Polgár, building plot [i.e. yet-unnumbered spot on a yet-unnamed street?], birthplace Polgár, Oct. 27, 1873, verified identity with birth record extract
Groom's father: the late Joseph Kovács, agricultural day-laborer, Polgár
Groom's mother: Klara Elek [but see below], occupation household, Polgár
Bride: Klara Elek, Roman Catholic, helping family member in household, residence Polgár, Szép [pretty] street no. 632, birthplace Polgár, May 14, 1880, verified identity using [crossed out: marriage] birth register extract
Bride's father: the late Matthias Elek, agricultural day-laborer, Polgár
Bride's mother: widow of the late Matthias Elek, born Klara Balla, occupation household, residence Polgár
Witness 1: Stephen Molnár, landowner, Polgár, age 65 years, known personally to registrar
Witness 2: Joseph Elek, landowner, Polgár, age 47, known personally to registrar

[Marginal note 1] Before signatures, corrected by removing the erroneous word "marriage" under the bride's identity. Signed Klara Elek, John Virányi registrar.
[Marginal note 2] The groom's mother's name is corrected from the erroneously written "Klara Elek" to the text found in the original of "widow of the late Joseph Kovács born Barbara Tóth". [unreadable signature], registrar.

Translation Help Hungarian to English - Birth and Marriage Record

Tasman99 — 2013-05-19 16:59:11Z

Hello, I need translation help with the following Hungarian birth record - Louis Kovacs: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-159392-815773-84?...

Number 562 - image 290 of 294

Also the following Hungarian marriage record - Janos Kovacs and Klara Elek:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-159392-852868-58?...

Number 60 - image 21 and 22 of 99
The notes are interesting. Hopefully they help explain why the Mother of the Groom and Bride have the same name.
Thanks for the help, Tas

Re: Beresh, Bertalon, Peters

tonyhole1 — 2013-03-30 10:13:17Z

My father also named Frank Bertalan he was born in Hungary, the only thing I know is that he fled Hungary during the revolt in 1956, to Canada.
There, he must have met my mother (1957-58 Iam born Sep, 1958) she was born in Norway and emigrated to canada (Vancuover) She only knows that his name is Frank Bertalan, and that he was from Hungary, and had fled from the revolt in Hungary.

KATALIN BIRIS - Mateszalka

Contribution — 2013-02-21 02:51:26Z

Katalin thanks you for your information.
She is not a member of Ancestry.com. She would like to chat with anyone who could bring her up - to - date on Mateszalka.
She wonders about the school she used to attend, and other parts of town. She and her family had to escape in the middle of the night. I believe she was about 11 years old. The Biris family ended up in the USA
She and her family still speak their native language.
She invites you to contact her by e-mail.

Katalin - kd12@columbus.rr.com

Thank you most kindly for your response,
Contribution

Re: Distance btwn Királyháza & Tiszaeszlár

DeniseWranikMcLoughlin — 2013-02-18 20:56:14Z

Many thanks, JPmiaou - I don't know why I didn't think of checking it on Google maps! Happy you did. Hmm, I was hoping it was a little closer, which would give me more reason to think I have found the correct Gyorgy in Tiszaeszla'r.

Re: Distance btwn Királyháza & Tiszaeszlár

JPmiaou — 2013-02-18 17:37:10Z

The easiest is to plug the modern placenames into your favorite online map provider. Google Maps came up with 152 km (94 miles) and 2 hours 41 minutes: https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Korolevo,+Zakarpats%27ka+...

I have great-grandparents who list addresses further apart than that on their marriage register, so it's not impossible that your relatives moved between these locations, but it's not a particularly likely scenario.

Distance btwn Királyháza & Tiszaeszlár

DeniseWranikMcLoughlin — 2013-02-18 17:20:08Z

Researching Munkacsi family. Ship manifests note their residence as Királyháza, Hungary (today's Korolev, Ukraine). His son's petition to become naturalized lists his birthplace as Királyháza. I have also found an entry that might be he in Tiszaeszlár, Szabolcs-Szatmár-Bereg, Hungary. I can't seem to find a way to see the distance between these two villages. Wondering if it possible that my Gyorgy Munkacsi could have been born in Tiszaeszlár and later lived in Királyháza?

I was trying to get the coordinates for both, but they are written differently, so I'm still unsure or proximity.

Tiszaeszlár, Szabolcs, Hungary
Latitude : 48.03410000
Longitude : 21.45744290

Királyháza
47° 59' 0" North, 18° 58' 0" East
Korolevo (From Wikipedia) Coordinates: 48°09′0″N 23°8′0″E
(Shtetleseeker only shows it in Russia, not Ukraine)

Thank you,
Denise

Re: FHL some Szabolcs data now online

TreeLaurelin — 2013-02-17 23:25:52Z

Thanks again for the great information. I will look up that forum you mention.

I am lucky to live quite near to a Family History Center, and I do have two films on order within the Bereg region--maybe the two you are referring to. Do you happen to know if the 1869 Census records for Bereg are also in the Zakarpattia, Ukraine region?

My ancestors were from Barabas, Bereg.

Re: FHL some Szabolcs data now online

kika3_au — 2013-02-17 21:08:39Z

Unfortumately, the Bereg records are located in the Ukraine in the Zakarpattia region. Ukrainian law does not allow for free on-line access to their records. The ones that have been posted on the FHL website can only be viewed from a computer at a family history centre. Which isn't much help if you live far away from one of these. The Berehove archives

To my knowledge there are 2 films containing parish records for Bereg that can be ordered from FHL. Anything more and you will need to hire a researcher in Ukraine.

I do have a smal project looking at what records that are available for the Greek Catholic Munkacs diocese (which included Bereg) on the Rusyns forum on Yahoo. However we haven't located any records for Bereg in this collection so far. However I would encourage anyone who is searching for family in the Zakaparttia region of Ukraine to join this forum and also check the holdings on the Maramures archives in Romania to see what data is available.

Re: FHL some Szabolcs data now online

TreeLaurelin — 2013-02-17 19:57:00Z

Thank you for the information. I hope they post Bereg records soon, too.

Re: Szentgyorgyi

stjoe1963 — 2013-02-05 00:49:01Z

Thank You for getting back to me on this. I will forward this information to my Aunt who was the one who told me Albert was related.

Re: Szentgyorgyi

JPmiaou — 2013-02-04 04:37:30Z

Note: Albert Szent-Györgyi's name is properly spelled with a hyphen.

His father Miklós had one brother, Imre, who married the world champion figure skater Lili Kronberger and had three sons and a daughter. They're the only first cousins of Albert's with the same surname. (One of the sons is my father-in-law, and one of the other sons is also still alive. Yeah, there were some looong generations in there.)

Here's a funeral notice for Albert's paternal grandmother listing her two young sons Imre and Miklós among the mourners:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11021-51793-25?...
(The next notice is also her.)

Various people have done fairly extensive work on Albert Szent-Györgyi's family tree, and I have all of that material entered in my files; the only David Sz-Gy in said files is my husband.

I'm afraid that whoever told you that your grandfather was Albert's first cousin was mistaken. If you're related, it can't be any closer than one of Albert's grandfather Imre's brothers (he was one of 9 children, not at all unusual for the 1820s-30s) or somewhere even further back. All in all, I would assume no relation unless proven otherwise: there were places named for St. George all over Hungary, so the surname is not uncommon.

Re: Szentgyorgyi

JPmiaou — 2013-02-04 04:37:21Z

Szentgyorgyi

stjoe1963 — 2013-02-03 17:36:41Z

Looking for relatives with the last name Szentgyorgyi. My father and his family came over in 1957 from Hungary. We still have many relatives over there. My Grandfather was Jozsef Szentgyorgyi and his father was David Szentgyorgyi. There is a lot of information here on Albert Szentgyorgyi. i was told he was a first cousin to my Grandfather but I cannot find the information to make the connection to my tree. My tree is public, Joseph St.George Family Tree, so please feel free to take a look. I guess my grandfather decidedd to Americanize our name or they did it for him, I do not know. Please contact me with any information you can share.Thank You, Joe

Re: KOROLY, SZESTAK, JUHASZ, HALAD, Nagylucska Hungary. RUSYN

ZlaticaBeca — 2013-01-26 17:37:28Z

Desia104

Szestak, Gyorgy Nagylucska, Hnugary 18 1892 1910
Koroly, Janos Nagylucska, Hungary 35 1874 1909
Juhacz, Janos Nagylucska 48 1858 1906
Juhasz, Maria Nagylucska 16 1891 1907
Halad, Janos Nagylucska, Hungary 32 1882 1914
Halad, Janos Nagylucska, Hungry 30 1882 1912
source: www.ellisislandrecords.org

http://genforum.genealogy.com/ukraine/
http://boards.ancestry.com/localities.eeurope.ukraine.zakarp...

Re: KOROL. KAROL. LELIK. KOZAR. Veliky Lucky. Nagyluscka Hungary. RUSYN

Desia104 — 2013-01-26 17:07:16Z

There was a Karol from my grandparents adopted home in Vintondale PA. There were many who settled in Vintondale who were from Velicky Lucky, Austro Hungary. Did you find any more info? Orr family names were various spellings of Shestak, Halod, Yugas and Selko and came to the USA about the same time as your relative.

Re: Searching for relatives of Gizella Vastag (Liptak) from Fabianhaza

JPmiaou — 2013-01-24 06:22:58Z

I browsed through the birth records from Fábiánháza for 1908-1909, and didn't find anyone with the surname Vastag. If you feel like looking further, the scans are freely available (https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%...); all you need is broadband Internet (the broader, the better). However, given that I didn't find the surname at all, I suspect the family may only have moved to Fábiánháza shortly before emigrating.

Unfortunately, Greek Catholic church records have not been indexed, so no searches on FamilySearch will turn up your relatives' baptisms. If you feel certain that they were born in Fábiánháza, there are microfilms available for "rent", but you have to go to a FamilySearch Center (aka your local Mormons) to view them: https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/show?uri=http%3A%2F%...

Nyírbátor's civil registrations also only go to 1909, but that's in Szabolcs county, which is currently being indexed, so maybe something searchable will show up in the near future.

Just as a guide for searches in Hungary in general, here's what's available without going to Hungary in person:

Births, marriages, and deaths after Oct. 1, 1895 were recorded in civil registration offices. The records were entered by hand on preprinted forms, then copied into a duplicate register (also by hand). The duplicates were microfilmed by the Mormons and subsequently scanned and made available online as browsable images. Coverage varies greatly; in some locations, the limiting factor is privacy laws (90/60/30 years), while other locations are entirely missing.

A very few of the above civil registrations are searchable on FamilySearch, all from Szabolcs county. This is an ongoing indexing project.

Prior to 1895, vital records in Hungary were kept by churches. FamilySearch has microfilms of many of these records, but these films have not been digitized, and are not available online. However, baptismal records have been indexed for Roman Catholic and Reformed church records.

FamilySearch loans out microfilms (for a fee: $7.50 where I live) to FamilySearch Centers, so you can get a look at these church records without traveling all the way to Hungary, but you can't get at them online.

For places that were in the Kingdom of Hungary, but are now in Slovakia, the situation is different: the pre-1895 church records are in large part available online for free from FamilySearch, and they're even partially indexed (more being added all the time), but the post-1895 civil registrations are not available.

For places that are now in Romania, there's nothing available from FamilySearch, and very little anywhere online. I don't know anything about places that are now in Croatia or Serbia or Slovenia. Burgenland (now Austria) civil registrations are under their Hungarian names pre-1920, but my relatives from there were Lutherans, so I don't know whether the indexed baptisms cover that area or not.

Re: Searching for relatives of Gizella Vastag (Liptak) from Fabianhaza

horace1944 — 2013-01-24 01:23:37Z

Hi,
My Nagymama was born on October 4, 1912. Sandor Vastag was definately her father and they were Greek Catholic. In your search did you find any other female Vastag's born earlier? Gizella was the 3rd of 4 sisters - the oldest was Maria and the youngest was Jolan. We don't know the 2nd sister's name. On the immigration records I found on Ancestry, it shows her place of residence as #451 Hedjaljo,Fabianhaza, Szatmar Megye, Hungary.
I think that Sandor Vastag came to Canada around 1920 so that could be why he is not found in Szatmar. His immigration record shows he is from Nyirbator, Hungary and we know his wife Maria died there.
Any information you can find would really be appreciated.
Thank you.

Re: Searching for relatives of Gizella Vastag (Liptak) from Fabianhaza

JPmiaou — 2013-01-23 21:42:51Z

FamilySearch has civil registrations of births in Fábiánháza from 1895 to 1909. You didn't indicate when your grandmother was born, and the data is not indexed, so I can't tell whether this is of any use to you. (It sounds like she was probably born later than 1909, unfortunately.)

I didn't find your great-grandparents in the Catholic or Reformed baptisms (lots of hits for Sandor Vastag, but none in Szatmár). Do you know what religion they followed?

Searching for relatives of Gizella Vastag (Liptak) from Fabianhaza

horace1944 — 2013-01-23 06:53:39Z

I am looking for information on my nagymama's family who was from Fabianhaza, county Szatmar. Her parents were Sandor Vastag and Maria Coiczak. My nagymama came to Canada in 1939 and married Lajos Liptak (from Edelany). I think she had 3 sisters. She unfortunately passed away in 2001 and we are trying to find information about our family in Hungary. Please reply if you can help!

Re: HELP! BIRIS Surname - Mateszalka

dorka_laszlo — 2012-12-26 23:00:48Z

Hi Katalin!

I'm Laszlo from Hungary from Mateszalka. I didn't find the Surname BIRIS in Mateszalka's telephone directory and I didn't know any BIRIS in Mateszalka.
Surname Balogh is very common in Hungary.

Regards,

Laszlo

Re: Locate Tompa family roots

tompalenke — 2012-12-04 17:20:27Z

Hi,
I'm intristing in the kisborosnyói Tompa's family tree. I ask you to me send it, if you have an example.
Thank you
Lenke

Re: Locate Tompa family roots

Tampar98 — 2012-12-04 17:05:09Z

Sorry but I cannot read Hungarian. However I attempted a translation using a Hungarian to English dictionary. my translation was not really clear however as my best understanding is either that you have a family tree that you can forward to me or you would like a copy of my family tree. My branch of the Tompa roots goes back to early 1800 in Nyircsaholy which I visited in 2006. It starts with Lazlo Tompa about 1810? It also includes Alexa/Seylam groups. I would like to find out more but it seems that that they had to do something with tabacco?

Re: Locate Tompa family roots

tompalenke — 2012-12-04 12:27:38Z

Kedves Enikő,
nekem is van írásom a családfáról. Kérlek, küldd el a tiédet, küldöm az enyémet.
Udvözöl Tompa Lenke

Re: Searching surnames: Gal, Gall, Peters

margiepc_1 — 2012-12-04 02:00:16Z

we are from the line of Frank Gall and lydia Peter. They moved to Saskatchewan in 1902/3 and homesteaded there. I believe his brother George Gall and wife Susanna lived on the quarter section next to them. Frank and Lydia had several children. We are from one of their younger children George's line. We too are interested in family stories, photos and more of the history of the family in Hungary.

FHL some Szabolcs data now online

kika3_au — 2012-11-19 23:07:50Z

I hope everyone has realised that FHL has now started to post some of the transcribed Szabolcs records on line in searchable format. Only some towns have been posted. I noted Nyirthass, Nyirvasvari, Nyirmada and Oros.

Andras Peto/ Agnes Bajusz family

suecrayne — 2012-11-14 17:29:32Z

I am researching Andras Peto (b. mid-1800s) married to Agnes Bajusz(b. mid-1800s). Their son Janos Peto was my gr-gr-grandfather, born in Matyus Szabolcs-Szatmar Bereg Shire Hungary in April of 1883 or 1885. He had at least one older brother named Karoly because we found writing on a picture that said "to younger brother from Karoly". I think I found this family on familysearch.org, but am not 100% certain. Janos arrived in US in NY on the ship Graf Waldersee on 11/21/1902 and he was going to Bethlehem PA to a friend, Karoly Toth.

On 7/16/1904, Eszter "Stella" Liska(b. abt 1884 in Ricse, Borsod-Abauj-Zemplen, Hungary) arrived in NY with a cousin, Zsofia Szabo who was 16 years old, they were going to an aunt & uncle, Joseph & Katonia Deak in Woodbridge, NJ.

On Nov 27,1905 Stella and John married in Perth Amboy, NJ and then settled in PA by late 1906. They had seven children; Andy (9/1906-1971), Ethel (1/1908-1999..my grandma), John (1909-1927), twins Lizzie (1911-2003) and Stella (1911-1990), Gloria aka Goldie (1917-2006, and Frank (1919-1992)

Re: Sebok and Varga ancestors of Ramocsahaza, Hungary

elhjr32609 — 2012-11-06 01:02:38Z

Hi Brian, Thank you so much. I couldn't put this info into place until just now. I found a cousin in Canada that is related to my Sebok side of family and by filling in some blanks I now know that she was indeed related to my great grandparents. thank you again :-), Ervin

Re: Ramocsahaza

elhjr32609 — 2012-11-04 16:36:41Z

Oops..I meant to say married one of my gg aunts.

Re: Ramocsahaza

elhjr32609 — 2012-11-04 16:27:55Z

Do you have any birth dates for them? I know that names were often repeated between families that were siblings and cousins. I don't have alot of info but will be glad to compare notes. I don't have a Budai in my family tree but I do have a Beni or Benjamin Buda that supposedly married either one of my Sebok or Varga great aunts and they lived in Rohod. Do you have a family tree on ancestry.com? I also have Szilagyi in my maternal ancestry.

Re: Ramocsahaza

gmagyar1 — 2012-11-04 15:37:40Z

My great grandmother was Zsuzsanna Sebok (married Janos Magyar). She was the daughter of Andras Sebok and Zsuzsanna Jene. Would you happen to know if Istvan And Andras were brothers? As for the Andriko name my maternal great grandfather Mihaly Budai married a Maria Andriko daughter of Andras Andriko and Manczi Vinklar.

Re: Ramocsahaza

elhjr32609 — 2012-11-04 02:45:37Z

Hi, my great grandparents were also from Ramocsahaza. My great grandfather was Daniel Sebok born 1868. His parents were Istvan Sebok and Eszter Andriko. Daniel married Eszter Varga daughter of Andras Varga and Borbala Gal.

Bordas & Posonyi Families (Kisvarsany)

klapko — 2012-10-21 02:28:39Z

My grandfather (Istvan Bordas) born abt 1886 and grandmother (Julianna Posonyi)born abt 1888 were from Kisvarsany according to his citizenship papers. They immigrated to USA in 1912 and went first to New Jersey. Great Grandma Mary Posonyi came to US as well and married Andrew Kiss probably here in US, also born in Hungary. I would like to learn the name of my great grandfather Posonyi and when he died more about Bordas & Posonyi families. Any help would be appreciated.

Re: Satoraljaujhely Archives

NicholasCovell — 2012-10-18 18:42:03Z

Thank you very much, I will check it out

Nick

Re: Satoraljaujhely Archives

KUPAN — 2012-10-18 18:40:42Z

I don't know if the missing Ref'd records are in Satoraljaujhely or not, it's not listed by the Hungarian National Archives index.
The permanent stone Church was built in 1793, perhaps the pastor=(Lelkész) Tóth Szilvia (see below) could help:

http://www.reformata.sk/?page=congr_50

Csarnahói Református Egyházközség

Černochov
076 32
Tel.: +421-56-6792602
Mobil: +421-908-954842
Lelkész: Tóth Szilvia, Mgr.
Gondnok: Győri Ágota
Gondnok: Patkanóci Sándor

Before the 1920 border changes of Hungary, Csernaho belonged to the Tiszaninneni (north/northwest from Tisza river) Ref'd Diocese, seat in Miskolc, the church archives located in Sarospatak:
http://archivportal.hu/id-461-sarospataki_reformatus_kollegi...

Satoraljaujhely Archives

NicholasCovell — 2012-10-18 15:08:10Z

I am looking for records for the Reformed Church in Csarnaho Zemplen, The LDS has some records for this church but not for the dates I am looking for 1820-1840, I have been to the East Slovakian Archives in Kosice and the earlier records are not there, someone there told me that they were in the Archives in Satoraljaujhely. Does anyone know if this is true?

Re: Searching surnames: Gal, Gall, Peters

margiepc_1 — 2012-09-28 04:13:59Z

Hi there,
I am also tracing our family tree and have some of the same info. Our grandfather Frank Gall born 1871 in Hungary married Lidia (Lydia) Peter/s. They left Botragy, Hungary and went to the United States. Lydia went back to Hungary then went on to join Frank in Saskatchewan, Canada in the early 1900's. They had children with the following names - Emma, William, Frank, Joseph, Mary. They lived in a community called Bekevar (Kipling )Sasketchewan.
I would like to compare information - if this is the same line you are following.

Re: Sebok and Varga ancestors of Ramocsahaza, Hungary

BJE1966 — 2012-09-24 10:20:09Z

This person may not be related but just in case, follow this link to a Sara (Sebok) Haydu that was from the same place in Hungary. I'm not related, just happened across your post.

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=97...

Brian Ensley
Johnstown, PA

Re: Vogel Surname

sarafina19771 — 2012-09-21 16:17:00Z

They were Jewish. I've tried Jewishgen, but maybe I need to keep digging.

Thanks for all the information. :)

Re: Vogel Surname

kika3_au — 2012-09-21 05:11:45Z

Dear Meagan,

The key to finding your family is working out which village or town they came from within the former Austro-Hungarian empire.

The birthplace for Samuel Vogel of Szabolcs-Szatmar-Bereg only indicates the modern name of the Hungarian county not the name of the town. In 1857 Szabolcs, Szatmar and Bereg were separate counties. Bereg is now located in the Ukraine and Szatmar also covered part of what is now Romania. Were your family Jewish? Because Jewishgen have an extensive collection of records available. If they were roman catholic, the family search website www.familysearch.com has transcribed most of the roman catholic hungarian birth records. Have you checked the Ellis island records for immigration documentation? This could give you clues as to thier village of origin. If your great grandfather Maurice Vogel became a naturalised citizen, the US government should hold the naturalisation papers which should provide information on his birthplace and parents.

Vogel Surname

sarafina19771 — 2012-09-20 18:35:23Z

I'm looking for information on my great-grandfather, Morris Vogel:

Birth About 1873 in Austria
Death 28 Dec 1930 in Jefferson, Texas

Spouse & Children:

Juanita Rodriguez 1890 - 1971

Edward John Vogel 1912 - 1997
Miriam L Vogel 1914 - 2002
Jerome Paul Vogel 1919 - 2012
Ziniada Vogel 1925

Father:
Samuel Vogel
Birth 1857 in Szabolcs-Szatmar-Bereg, Hungary

Mother:
Unknown

Hungarian genealogist

irvinestown — 2012-09-12 19:40:44Z

Hi - I am wanting a genealogist who might be able to help me trace someone in the Budapest area - she lived in Vienna and I have her birth record from Transylvania area.

Do you think the same genealogist you mention would search for this or do you have another recommendation for an Hungarian focused genealogist? Thanks

Re: Frank Szumutku & Ann Kriba

Kzelnak1 — 2012-09-10 15:20:33Z

Hello Marta, my name is Kurt. I recently came across your post on ancestry.com and thought I would reach out to you. My great-great grandparents were Jozsef Szilvacsku (b. 1856) and Erszebet Szumutku (b. 1860) from Tornyospalca. They had several children. Magdolna Szilvacsku (b. 1885, Tornyospalca), my great grandmother, married Gyula Zelenak (b. 1873 Mandok) in a Tornyospalca Greek Catholic church on Dec 1904. They emmigrated to America soon thereafter. Would you be able to help me find more information on the Szumutku, Szilvacsku, Zelenak families from the Tornyospalca area? I can send you the hungarian birth, baptism and marriage records I have located.

Best,

Kurt

Re: Nyirbator, Nyirgyulaj

Mohnbauer — 2012-08-09 10:14:09Z

jewish cemetery in Nyirbator: http://www.flickr.com/photos/awmjr_magoo/289506798/
http://www.iajgsjewishcemeteryproject.org/hungary/nyirbator-...

Re: surname of Szabo

taltos017 — 2012-08-06 20:33:23Z

You can email me at taltos017@yahoo.com

Chris

Re: surname of Szabo

hootmonhamil — 2012-08-06 15:12:46Z

Chris, I agree about needing more information. Do you have the ability to contact me privately? I don't have an ancestry subscription.

Re: surname of Szabo

taltos017 — 2012-08-06 14:36:58Z

Szabo means tailor. It is a common name in Hungary.
If you want help, you have to provide more information:
Birthdate, spouse's name, where they lived in US, something that will allow us to narrow it down.

Census data should give approximate birth year and emigration year, perhaps year of marriage. Military draft card should give birthdate, perhaps a specific birthplace. His marriage record, whether civil or religious, should give a lot of info.

Regards,

Chris Kovach

Re: surname of Szabo

ZlaticaBeca — 2012-08-04 16:25:48Z

hootmonhamil

Ferenc[z] would be Frank.
..and their common language was what? I doubt English if they met on the way to America.
Hopefully your friend will provide you more information on her ancestor. His USA documents should have a place of birth.

Re: surname of Szabo

hootmonhamil — 2012-08-04 15:41:13Z

I do not know if this Mike is a relative yet -- I have to wait for more information. The name I am seeking is Ferenc Frank Szabo born in Hungary. Family story is that he married an Irish girl on the boat over to the USA (or at least met her on the boat).
Thanks for the links and additional information!