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    <pubDate>2013-02-26 01:56:41Z</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Somogy County Research Group</title>
      <link>http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.ceeurope.hungary.somogy/60.104/mb.ashx</link>
      <description>Do you still have a research group...it appears this link is no longer good.</description>
      <pubDate>2013-02-26 01:56:41Z</pubDate>
      <author>daletth31</author>
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      <title>Re: Presel family who migrated from Kutas Gyota Somogy Megye to Kaposvar</title>
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      <description>No, it's not you, it was an other time an other message, probably because discussion about money the Somogy County Archives, a government agency charge, by the way it's very reasonable.&lt;br&gt;Were you able to access the Kaposvar Death Register? To brows through would be a way around the privacy law, those records usually include address and people in Hungary don't move much in their life, so there is a good chance somebody from the family still lives there. Forgot to mention, the only phone listing doesn't include cell phones.&lt;br&gt;Joseph</description>
      <pubDate>2012-10-01 06:24:33Z</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Presel family who migrated from Kutas Gyota Somogy Megye to Kaposvar</title>
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      <description>Did I make a mistake by giving the full names of the people I was looking for?  Is that why the message was removed?  Don't want to cause any problems with my search.  I will do as you suggested.  Will keep in touch.  Thank you.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Carol</description>
      <pubDate>2012-10-01 02:56:19Z</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Presel family who migrated from Kutas Gyota Somogy Megye to Kaposvar</title>
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      <description>You're welcome,&lt;br&gt;First, I looked up the Hungarian online phone directory and found no Presel listed.&lt;br&gt;The mentioned Familysearch.org database is from the mid and late 1800s, to research the vital records in Hungary like the 1960s privacy laws applies, 30 years for deaths, 60 for marriages, 90 for births, close family members are exceptions.&lt;br&gt;If have time and want to research it, Kaposvar death registers are available online up until 1980 at the Familysearcg.org website: &lt;a href="https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12586-52297-49?cc=1452460&amp;amp;wc=11919563#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Frecords%2Fwaypoint%2FMMYK-CFF%3An278881741%3Fcc%3D1452460" target="_blank"&gt;https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12586-52297-49?...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;It's free and just registration needed.&lt;br&gt;Regarding the Somogy County Archives, contact me offline my email is public, the board administrator removed that subject messages before.&lt;br&gt;Regards,&lt;br&gt;Joseph </description>
      <pubDate>2012-09-28 08:52:07Z</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Presel family who migrated from Kutas Gyota Somogy Megye to Kaposvar</title>
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      <description>&lt;br&gt;Adam Presel, Grandfather, Gyorgy Presel, Son, Wife of Gyorgy, Katherine Horvath Presel. Would have migrated to Kaposvar with the family during the latter part of 1960. I do not know what Adam Presel's wife's name is nor do I know their dates of birth.  Is it possible for me to contact the Somogy County Archives in kaposvar for more information?  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I really appreciatge your help as I am running into a brick wall every time I try to get into Hungary.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thank you.&lt;br&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>2012-09-27 23:28:44Z</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Presel family who migrated from Kutas Gyota Somogy Megye to Kaposvar</title>
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      <description>Hello,&lt;br&gt;Gyota -Also=(Lower) and Felso=(Upper) were two puszta(s)= here meaning an outlying rural settlements like a working/living farm, jurisdiction wise belonged to the village of Kutas.&lt;br&gt;What was the relationship between Adam, Gyorgy and Katherine (family name?), and what time frame we're talking about?&lt;br&gt;Familysearch.org R.Cath. baptizing database listing Presel families around the nearby Fajsz.&lt;br&gt;The Somogy County Archives in Kaposvar do family research. &lt;br&gt;Hope this helps.&lt;br&gt;Joseph  </description>
      <pubDate>2012-09-26 08:36:04Z</pubDate>
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      <title>Presel family who migrated from Kutas Gyota Somogy Megye to Kaposvar</title>
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      <description>Trying to find information on Adam Presel, Gyorgy Presel, Katherine Presel</description>
      <pubDate>2012-09-25 21:59:29Z</pubDate>
      <author>CarolPaws</author>
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      <title>Re: Jakab MAJ message - Ecseny</title>
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      <description>My father's family is from Ecseny.  He was Henry Ellenberger.  I believe there were two Henry Ellenbergers.  His father was John and mother Christina.  They had 10 children.  He was born in 1912 and died in 2008.  </description>
      <pubDate>2012-08-16 16:24:26Z</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Istvan Oravecz &amp;amp; Roza Karacsonyi</title>
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      <description>You're welcome, if the May 1895 marriage date is correct, this film should include: "Kereszteltek, házasultak, halottak 1875-1895 VAULT INTL Film 699956"&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titlefilmnotes&amp;amp;columns=*%2C0%2C0&amp;amp;titleno=378973&amp;amp;disp=Anyak%C3%B6nyvek" target="_blank"&gt;https://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermai...&lt;/a&gt;++&lt;br&gt;  </description>
      <pubDate>2012-05-18 19:36:35Z</pubDate>
      <author>KUPAN</author>
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      <title>Re: Istvan Oravecz &amp;amp; Roza Karacsonyi</title>
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      <description>Thank you!  I'm thinking that I will need to see what is actually on the microfilm rolls that LDS has for Somogy county Roman Catholic records.  The listing for the microfilm roll says birth, baptism, marriage &amp;amp; death records.  But the only searchable items on FamilySearch.org are the baptism records.  So I don't know if the roll actually has more on it than the baptism records or not, as they have both have the same name and there is a link to the familysearch database from the roll description page.  I've found I believe all the baptism records that are helpful to me at this point.  Im now hoping for marriage &amp;amp; death records.</description>
      <pubDate>2012-05-18 19:05:07Z</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Istvan Oravecz &amp;amp; Roza Karacsonyi</title>
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      <description>jmbarry,&lt;br&gt;Rinyaujlak R.Cath. records are with Csokonya: &lt;a href="https://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&amp;amp;titleno=378973&amp;amp;disp=Anyak%26%23xf6%3Bnyvek%20%20&amp;amp;columns=*,0,0" target="_blank"&gt;https://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermai...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Civil Registration in Hungary started Oct.1895, still Church Records can be researched after that date in the County Archives, of which Somogy County are most helpful, they actually do research for a very reasonable fee schedule.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Last year did a research in the same general areas, enclosing couple pictures from Tarany.&lt;br&gt;Hope this helps.&lt;br&gt;Joseph </description>
      <pubDate>2012-05-18 03:53:38Z</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Istvan Oravecz &amp;amp; Roza Karacsonyi</title>
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      <description>&lt;a href="https://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=localityhitlist&amp;amp;columns=*%2C0%2C0&amp;amp;PLACE=nagyatad&amp;amp;PARTOF=&amp;amp;prePLACE=nagyatad&amp;amp;prePARTOF" target="_blank"&gt;https://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermai...&lt;/a&gt;=</description>
      <pubDate>2012-05-17 02:03:57Z</pubDate>
      <author>ZlaticaBeca</author>
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      <title>Istvan Oravecz &amp;amp; Roza Karacsonyi</title>
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      <description>Searching for more info on family of Istvan Oravecz (Oravezz, Orovecz, Oravitz) &amp;amp; Roza (Rosa, Rozalia) Karacson (Karacsonyi). Have found baptism records for 9 children 1867 - 1885 in Somogy, primarily Nagyatád &amp;amp; Csokonya.  Included is my husband's gggrandfather Joszef, bapt. March 22, 1870. Joszef supposedly married a Theresa (Tereza?) Kovacs and had at least 2 sons before immigrating with them to the US between 1903 &amp;amp; 1908 (Theresa supposedly died?). Sons names in US are Anton F. Oravez &amp;amp; Gabriel Frank Oravez. Anton born May 2, 1895 in Rinyaujlak.  2nd or maybe 3rd wife for Joszef is Julia Harschka (Heraska), married about 1907 or 1908 (there is also a 1910 marriage record for them in Wisconsin USA.)  Any further info would be appreciated - especially where to search Hungary marriage records if possible.</description>
      <pubDate>2012-05-17 00:29:58Z</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Somogy County Ancestors</title>
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      <description>The village my great grandmother came from is Szabas.</description>
      <pubDate>2012-05-04 22:43:22Z</pubDate>
      <author>KKKissel</author>
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      <title>Somogy</title>
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      <description>Hello Klara,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I would LOVE some help finding my relatives who are originally from Somogy.  My great grandmother was born there.  I am also needing information on her husband who was born in Zsam Nagy (Nagyzsam).  They were married in Zichfalva.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I look forward to hearing from you.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I realize this is an old post, but I just came across the messages and am hoping this is still monitored and you are still active here.</description>
      <pubDate>2012-04-28 21:42:31Z</pubDate>
      <author>KKKissel</author>
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      <title>Re: Somogy County Ancestors</title>
      <link>http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.ceeurope.hungary.somogy/1.49.1/mb.ashx</link>
      <description>If you have a birth date or birth year you should be able to find him in the parish records which were microfilmed by the LDS church.  That is, you should be able to find him if he was born before 1905.  The LDS churches almost all have local "libraries," where you can identify the parish microfilms by on-line or microfiche indices to order a rental copy to be used in the libraries.  I am guessing you live in the U.S. or a country that has some LDS churches with libraries.  I hope this helps.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Cecilia L. Fabos-Becker, San Jose, CA</description>
      <pubDate>2012-04-25 23:25:32Z</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: My family names</title>
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      <description>Hi, Sorry, no connection that I'm aware of at the moment.  But if Zics it a small village I'm guessing there could be a connection.  Sorry also for not seeing this message till now.  I don't recall getting a notification.  Susan</description>
      <pubDate>2012-04-20 00:36:01Z</pubDate>
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      <title>Kalman Bartik/Hafenscher</title>
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      <description>I am looking for ancestors of my father Kalman Bartik born 1901 and Mother Therea Hafenscher born around 1910 both born in Hungary. Mom might have been from Baja county or city. Had a brother Ferenc and a sister Bona Imre. No idea which part my father might have come from. Believe he had 3 brothers one might have been call Joseph. He left Hungary 1928/29. Mom might have left around 1940. Any info would be appericated&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Harry Bartik</description>
      <pubDate>2012-01-26 00:26:06Z</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: grandfather</title>
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      <description>Stephen Szili and Barbara Kovacs Szili are my wife's great grandfather.  We have lots of information on when they and their children emigrated to Middletown, PA, US but no information on their marriage, life, or parnets in HuIngary.</description>
      <pubDate>2012-01-18 01:48:22Z</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: my father</title>
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      <description>I do not know anything about your father. But it is an interesting fact that your grandmother and I have the same name. Greetings from Croatia</description>
      <pubDate>2011-10-08 21:59:36Z</pubDate>
      <author>albina_kopriva</author>
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      <title>Re: FAZEKAS AND BATTA</title>
      <link>http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.ceeurope.hungary.somogy/193.1/mb.ashx</link>
      <description>Hello Connie,&lt;br&gt;The Somogy County Archives in Kaposvar takes on genealogy research at a very reasonable rates: &lt;a href="http://smarchive.netii.net/index2.php?m=6&amp;amp" target="_blank"&gt;http://smarchive.netii.net/index2.php?m=6&amp;amp&lt;/a&gt;;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Address:&lt;br&gt;Somogy Megyei Levéltár &lt;br&gt;7400 Kaposvár, Rippl-Rónai tér 1.&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;email:&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href="mailto://leveltar@smarchive.hu"&gt;leveltar@smarchive.hu&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;2.       Család- és személytörténeti, valamint genealógiai kutatás:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;          anyakönyvi adatok feltárása:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;          az alapdíj, amelyet minden esetben előre kell befizetni:                               7.000,- Ft&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;          a sikeres kutatás esetén további:                                                                 15.000,- Ft&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;          családkutatás:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;          az alapdíj, amelyet minden esetben előre kell befizetni:                             15.000,- Ft&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;          a sikeres kutatás esetén további:                                                             1.800,- Ft/óra&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Let me know if need further help.&lt;br&gt;Joseph&lt;br&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>2011-09-09 04:26:55Z</pubDate>
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      <title>FAZEKAS AND BATTA</title>
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      <description>Hello everyone,&lt;br&gt;was wondering if anyone could help me with the 2 surnames:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Julia Batta dob Apr 30, 1892 in Karad, Hungary&lt;br&gt;   father-Istvan Batta mother-Julianna Bor&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;John Fazekas dob oct 5 1886/1882? in Kaposvar, Hungary&lt;br&gt;   father-Joseph Fazekas mother-?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;looking for birth records and census records. Any help will be appreciated. thank you&lt;br&gt;Connie</description>
      <pubDate>2011-09-08 16:13:08Z</pubDate>
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      <title>Question about Berzence</title>
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      <description>Hi Everyone, I actually have a post a few down from this one asking about my surname Kendjelic/Kengyelics.  I am still researching the origination of my name and also trying to find records from here (Gola/Zdala/Berzence) prior to the 1780's.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I was recently told that even though my last name undoubtedly has a hungarian origin (Kengyel) that it may be a musliman surname.  I know that my family lived in the Military Frontier zone (Koprivnica-Križevci country) and those living there were given free land and freedom of religion as long as they protected the land.  I also learned that Berzence was a stronghold for the Turks during the Ottoman invasion.  Once Berzence was regained, they invited others (Croatian settlers among others) to repopulate the town.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Does anyone have any pertinent information regarding the history of this town that could assist in tracing the origination of my family and why they ended up moving to this location and living here for over 100+ yrs? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Any help would be great!! Thanks in advance, Brandon</description>
      <pubDate>2011-08-22 21:43:43Z</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Kaposvar, Berzence, Gyekenyes</title>
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      <description>These are not my lines from Kaposvar. Keep checking back with familysearch.org - they are digitizing all of their microfilm records, so you may be able to get some information from there, although I don't think they have Kaposvar records up yet.&lt;br&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>2011-08-22 02:52:38Z</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Kaposvar, Berzence, Gyekenyes</title>
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      <description>I have been trying to find information on my Grandmother's family for the last three years.  I just found out that she was born in Kaposvar, Hungary.  I had been told before that it was Borcs.  Do you still look up information?  Her name was Roza (Rose) Fazekas.  She was born 9 Nov. 1891.  Her father was Gjuro (Gyorgy) Fazekas and her mother was Mara Berec Fazekas.  I believe Gjuro's father was Jozsef Fazekas and his mother was Marta Kovacs.  He had a brother but no one knows his name.  They think he moved to Brazil.  Mara's father was Stephen Berec and her mother was Eva ???  I am at a deadend with this family.  Any help would be appreciated!&lt;br&gt;The Kiss Family is also related to my family.  Joseph Kiss (born abt. 1897 in Hungary) married Katerine Berzsenyi (born abt. 1901 in Schandorf, Austria)Katherine was the daughter of Anna Gruber. Anna's sister Katalin Gruber married Ferenc Gerencser.  Ferenc and Katalin were my great grandparents.&lt;br&gt;Thank you, Laura</description>
      <pubDate>2011-08-22 02:49:51Z</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: schneiker, sneiker</title>
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      <description>I noticed that I made a mistake in my opening statement and meant to say that you did NOT mention etc. </description>
      <pubDate>2011-07-21 17:10:59Z</pubDate>
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      <description>You did mention his age or possible date of birth but in looking at the Lutheran Church records in Gyonk I found four Heinrich Schneickers who might be your great-grandfather born between 1876 and 1886.  Was his wife actually a Schneicker as well or was that simply her married name?  If you know about his age at his death it would solve the mystery.  You can contact me directly at &lt;a href="mailto://hjfischer@rogers.com"&gt;hjfischer@rogers.com&lt;/a&gt; </description>
      <pubDate>2011-07-21 17:06:26Z</pubDate>
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      <description>my great grandfather was Henry Schneiker, married to Elizabeth Schneiker from Gyonk, Hungary...emigrated to the US in early 1900,s.  I don,t know if he had any brothers</description>
      <pubDate>2011-07-21 01:07:47Z</pubDate>
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      <description>Hi!  My g-grandfather was born in Beleg. I don't know anything about his background but understand his brother or uncle might have been a policeman. It seems really hard to access records.  Family name is Domjan or Domian.  Maternal g-grandmother was Vecernik.  Any suggestions anyone would be greatly appreciated!</description>
      <pubDate>2011-01-30 08:09:41Z</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Help with Kengyelics/Kendjelic</title>
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      <description>My father was born in Barcs in Hungary in around the 30's with this surname - it's not common in Hungary. You got the stirrup bit right, but I was told it is closer to stirrup-master. I live in the UK, my father and grandmother have been dead a while. There was another family around the Drava area with our surname - related to us, but I can't remember the village. I am guessing with this surname we are related somehow (small world!) I have a number of very old photos from around the turn of the last century showing family members - no idea now who they are. Please feel free to contact me - I'm on facebook and could post the pictures for you to have a look at. Any info from you side would be very interestign, how did you trace so far back?&lt;br&gt;Regards&lt;br&gt;Steve Kengyelics</description>
      <pubDate>2011-01-27 22:33:48Z</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Kaposvar, Berzence, Gyekenyes</title>
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      <description>Thank you for the pictures! I put them and the wedding picture you sent previously in a new album on my Lelek family website. I am attaching a picture of my partner Mike and I that was taken in Vancouver, BC about 3 or 4 years ago. They built some walkways so people can take hikes near the tops of the trees. </description>
      <pubDate>2010-12-30 20:46:30Z</pubDate>
      <author>PattiHutterli07</author>
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      <title>Re: Kaposvar, Berzence, Gyekenyes</title>
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      <description>My Hungarian-American daughter is 6. Her name is Barbara Liza. I went to town and started snapping away and discovered the pictures were smeared by one of her pretty fingerprints on the lens! I sent one of the smeared pictures. It is the city cathedral. I also had a bright idea and stopped at the international book store there in town and found a last copy of a picture book of the town. I attached a pic of a few pages. Everything is written in Hungarian, German, and English. The detail may not be too good. I cleaned the camera lens and took a picture instead of scanning. My scanner is too small for the pages. I hope you enjoy them.&lt;br&gt;dan</description>
      <pubDate>2010-12-30 20:08:44Z</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Kaposvar, Berzence, Gyekenyes</title>
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      <description>I enjoyed seeing the wedding picture! Your wife is beautiful. Also interesting to see some of the architecture in the background. Presents are all wrapped, so we are spending time at the computer before going to sleep. How old is your daughter? My kids are grown - Gretchen is 24 and Conrad is 22.</description>
      <pubDate>2010-12-25 04:19:31Z</pubDate>
      <author>PattiHutterli07</author>
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      <title>Re: Kaposvar, Berzence, Gyekenyes</title>
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      <description>Patti, here it is 4:45 am on Christmas morning... Our daughter had her traditional Christmas at her grandparents house and I am supposed to be sleeping to await her awakening for the traditional American Christmas morning at our house! I just spent the time since my earlier posting scouring my hard drives for some Kaposvar pictures to send to you post-haste. No luck. I have the city's opera house but there are 2 newly weds in front of it (my wife and I)! I will attach that although I'm sure it isn't of much interest to you. I promise some new photos before the new year! The town has changed since I first came in Jan of 1997. We've added a McDonalds. a shopping plaza and a shopping mall. Our Wal-Mart equivalent is Tesco. It arrived after our we moved to Italy in 1999. Sad to say, some of the main street businesses had gone and lay in disrepair. Just as it happens in America when a Wal-mart opens. We are expecting rain for the next 2 days and then snow, but I will get to main street and take some holiday pictures for you. Have a wonderful holiday!</description>
      <pubDate>2010-12-25 04:07:50Z</pubDate>
      <author>Dancil1</author>
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      <title>Re: Kaposvar, Berzence, Gyekenyes</title>
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      <description>Thank you very much for your message. The military records I saw from Hungary were microfilms that I rented through the Family History Center affiliated with the Mormon church. The rentals are for three weeks, then they get returned to Salt Lake City, Utah. I still haven't figured out where my great-grandfather Josef Lelek would have served in the military. Familysearch.org should eventually have these records available to look at online, as they are digitizing all of their microfilmed records. I have heard that it will take another 4 or 5 years to get everything online. I keep checking back with familysearch.org to see what new records have been posted. We are opening our Christmas presents in the morning, although when I was young we opened them up on Christmas Eve. There are  lights on most of the houses&lt;br&gt;in our neighborhood. If you happen to see anything with Lelek on it (headstones, etc) it would be great to get a picture, or to see any pictures of Kaposvar. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.</description>
      <pubDate>2010-12-25 03:37:35Z</pubDate>
      <author>PattiHutterli07</author>
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      <title>Re: Kaposvar, Berzence, Gyekenyes</title>
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      <description>Hello Patti,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I am back in Hungary after some unexpected delay. The winter is upon us here as is Christmas. I don't know if you are aware, but here in Hungary, "Baby Jesus" brings the gifts on Christmas Eve after a traditional dinner of fried carp! With the coming new year, I am expecting to do some research and have yours at the top of my list. I discussed it with my wife and she was surprised you had access to military records in Hungary. Can you tell me how that is? It would most likely break a brick wall for her family. She is familar with Pankota. As far as Kaposvar itself, it is very large. There is one section of the city cemetary that is very old and ill-kept. Another tradition, graves are only cared for by the descendants. If they show no interest, then they fall apart. Please let me know if you have found anything additional since last May's posting.&lt;br&gt;Merry Christmas.&lt;br&gt;dan butler</description>
      <pubDate>2010-12-25 03:20:41Z</pubDate>
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      <description>OMG! I hope you are out there still...this is my family.</description>
      <pubDate>2010-12-12 15:23:26Z</pubDate>
      <author>DennisHaluska</author>
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      <title>Help with Kengyelics/Kendjelic</title>
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      <description>Hi Everyone,  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;With the help of a few people from both here (USA) as well as in Croatia we have been able to trace my surname back to my 5G Grandfather.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;My family was from Zdala, Croatia north of the Drava on the border of Somogy County, Hungary.  Their town was close to Berzence, Hungary.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I am looking for info on where he was born as we could not locate his birth record from this area.  His name was Matija Kendjelic (Kengyelics on death and mariage record).  He died on Nov 4, 1829 and we estimate him to be born around 1759.  He married Ana Bosnjak born on Jan 26, 1759.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We pretty much hit a road block and I have a feeling that he may have been born somewhere in Hungary as I could not locate a meaning to our surname.  The closest I found was "Kengyel" - meaning Stirrup in Hungarian or also could be derived from an area there?  This is just my uneducated guess.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Any help would be great!!  Thanks, Brandon</description>
      <pubDate>2010-12-10 12:43:11Z</pubDate>
      <author>kendjelic</author>
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      <title>Re: My family names</title>
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      <description>My grandmother (Elizabeth Hoffman) was born in 1911 in Zics. Her mother was Eva Schneider. She was born 1884 and died 1970 in Zics. Her husband was Ferenc Hofmann. Is there a connection?</description>
      <pubDate>2010-10-27 14:53:27Z</pubDate>
      <author>Mausfrau72</author>
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      <title>Re: Somogy County Research Group</title>
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      <description>Looking for info on Michael Steinger.  Michael came from Bohemia Austria.  His father was Franz Steinger.  Hope you can connect to some of this and please let me hear from you if these name connect to your tree.</description>
      <pubDate>2010-09-12 18:47:37Z</pubDate>
      <author>jerrypaasch</author>
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      <title>Re: Query on direct family members for Joh. Bernhardt in Somogy</title>
      <link>http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.ceeurope.hungary.somogy/190.1.1/mb.ashx</link>
      <description>Below some additional information from Donauschwaben Village List: &lt;a href="http://www.genealogienetz.de/reg/ESE/dsinfo.htm" target="_blank"&gt;http://www.genealogienetz.de/reg/ESE/dsinfo.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I just wonder, where is the Somogy, Hungary info coming from, Somogy is a County name, geographically different location than Bacs County, where Bacsszentivan was located.&lt;br&gt;Joseph  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Bácsszentiván&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Village Names:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;    * German: Batsch-Sentiwan, Sonnhofen, Priglewitz&lt;br&gt;    * Official: Prigrevica Sveti Ivan&lt;br&gt;    * Hungarian: Bácsszentiván, Szentiván&lt;br&gt;    * Spelling and/or dialect variants: Batschsentiwan, Preigevica Sveti, Priglevica, Priglevica Sveti Ivan, Sveti Ivan, Sentiwan, SzentIvan, Sankt Johann an der Schanze&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Location:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;    * Country: Yugoslavia&lt;br&gt;    * east of Apatin&lt;br&gt;    * Postal-Code:&lt;br&gt;    * Railroad station:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Population:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;    * 1921: 5,502 (4,550)&lt;br&gt;    * 1910: 5,416 (4,514)&lt;br&gt;    * 1880: 4,494 (4,171)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Genealogical Records:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;    * Village name in FHL records: Priglevica-SzentIvan, Batschsentiwan&lt;br&gt;    * Church records available at FHL: Roman Catholic Church: 1826 - 1895&lt;br&gt;    * FHL Microfilm Nr.: 0638075 - 0638079&lt;br&gt;    * FHL Census Microfilm: Priglevitza Szent Ivan in 1828: 622968&lt;br&gt;    * FHL Census Microfilm: Superior Szent Ivan in 1828: 622968&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Miscellaneous:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;    * Bibliography&lt;br&gt;    * Earliest Appearance in History: 1361&lt;br&gt;    * Earliest German Settlement: 1763&lt;br&gt;    * Churches: Roman Catholic/Kalocsa diocese&lt;br&gt;    * District: 3 - Apatin&lt;br&gt;    * Bácsszentiván was the location of a prisoner camp for Germans held by Partisans during World War II.&lt;br&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>2010-08-27 08:03:47Z</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Query on direct family members for Joh. Bernhardt in Somogy</title>
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      <description>Search for prigrevica at LDS/FHLC (Mormons) &lt;a href="http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp" target="_blank"&gt;http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.a...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;The R.Cath. records probably not, but the German language family book under Genealogy most likely covers the time period.&lt;br&gt;Joseph&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Hungary, Bács-Bodrog, Prigleviczaszentiván - Genealogy&lt;br&gt;Ortssippenbuch Batschsentiwan, 1763-1827  Schuy, Jakob&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1826-1895 Roman Catholic Church parish register of births, marriages, and deaths for Prigleviczaszentiván, also called Bácsszentiván, Hungary, now Prigrevica, Serbia.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>2010-08-27 07:10:38Z</pubDate>
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      <title>Query on direct family members for Joh. Bernhardt in Somogy</title>
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      <description>I am looking for confirmation of tentative facts found on ancestry trees regarding a Joh.(Johann?nes?) Bernhardt born: Jan 1794 in/near Batschentiwan, Somogy, Hungary. He departed in 1833 from Bremen, Germany on the Virginia and arrived on 7 Nov 1833 in Baltimore, Maryland. Looking for Joh.'s parents and siblings in Hungary. Have a possible name of Anna Neubauer for his mother. Any help would be greatly appreciated. </description>
      <pubDate>2010-08-26 20:23:35Z</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Fehervari, Szentpeteri, Toth, Palanki, Udvari, Pulai</title>
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      <description>Hi, Its been a while since your post, but I know of a Fehervari family from Sarkos Ujlak, Hungary (now Livada, Romania).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Susan&lt;br&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>2010-08-04 23:51:13Z</pubDate>
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      <title>Rosa &amp;amp; Imre Gyorek, Sand (Somogy Megye)</title>
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      <description>Am searching for relatives of Rosa (Nemeth) and James (Imre) Gyorek from Sand (Somogy Megye) Hungary.  They immigrated to Pennsylvania, USA in 1908.  Rosa Nemeth's parents were from Nagykanizsa (Zala Megye) - George Nemeth and Theresa Nemeth.  Imre's parents were from Sand - mother's name Kata.  If any of these fit in with your research please contact me.  &lt;br&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>2010-08-02 15:58:56Z</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Kaposvar, Berzence, Gyekenyes</title>
      <link>http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.ceeurope.hungary.somogy/10.2.2.1.1/mb.ashx</link>
      <description> My grandfather, Andrew Lalack, Sr., was born in Pankota in 1896. The original spelling of his name is Andreas Lelek. (Some of the descendants changed it to Lelack, and then just my father's branch of the family spells it as Lalack). Andreas came to the U.S. in 1908 with his parents Josef Lelek and Elisabeth Schok Lelek. Josef's father (mother unknown) is Andreas Lelek who was baptized in Pankota on June 8, 1836. The parents of this Andreas are Franciscus/Ferencz Lelek and his wife Anna Schmidt. The baptismal records for Andreas show that his father Franciscus (or Ferencz) was born in Kaposvar about 1801. I haven't searched the Family History Library's microfilms for records yet, but that is the next step in my research. I would like to find Josef's military enlistment records - many are available, but I'm not sure where someone from Pankota would have enlisted. I'll probably look through Kaposvar military records for any of the Lelek family first. It would be great to get some pictures from Kaposvar when you are there, such as the Catholic church if there is one there. I'm not sure where any of the Lelek family that was in Hungary would have been buried ... if you happen to be at an old cemetery and spot a grave with that name, it would be great to get a picture. I would also be curious if there are any of the Lelek descendants still live in the area. I will let you know if I find out more when I see some of the microfilms from Kaposvar. Thanks.</description>
      <pubDate>2010-05-03 23:53:58Z</pubDate>
      <author>PattiHutterli07</author>
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      <title>Re: Kaposvar, Berzence, Gyekenyes</title>
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      <description>Yes, I spend my winters there with my Hungarian wife. How can I assist?</description>
      <pubDate>2010-05-03 16:25:19Z</pubDate>
      <author>Dancil1</author>
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      <title>Re: Kaposvar, Berzence, Gyekenyes</title>
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      <description>I've just traced my Lelek family back to Kaposvar (1801). Please let me know if you still go there! </description>
      <pubDate>2010-04-29 03:50:10Z</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Hungarian megye map </title>
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      <description>Lisa&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1910 Hungarian megye map&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href="http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/maps/1910" target="_blank"&gt;http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/maps/1910&lt;/a&gt;  &lt;br&gt;here you can see how they border each other:&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href="http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/maps/1910/varmegy2.gif" target="_blank"&gt;http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/maps/1910/varmegy2.gif&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Just noticed that I made a mistake about a location of Alsonemeti.&lt;br&gt;Alsónémeti, Ung megye, Hungary now Nižné Nemecke, Slovak Republic.  &lt;br&gt;1773 Alsó-Némethi, 1786 Alschó-Némethi, 1808 Alsó-Némethi, Dolní Německé, 1863–1913, 1939–1945 Alsónémeti, 1920–1939, 1945– Nižné Nemecké {all the names this village was known by}</description>
      <pubDate>2010-04-25 00:20:24Z</pubDate>
      <author>ZlaticaBeca</author>
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      <title>Re: Towns of Szinna (sp?) or Also Nemeth</title>
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      <description>Szinna, Zemplén megye, Hungary now Snina &lt;br&gt;1773 Szinna, Sinna, 1786 Sinna, Senya, 1808 Szinna, Snina, 1863–1913 Szinna, 1920– Snina, Slovak Republic {all the names this town was known by}&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Alsónémeti, Ung megye, Hungary now Ukraine&lt;br&gt;Csulka, Zusanna Also Nemeth 22  1882  1904  I take it this is your ancestor.  &lt;br&gt;Csulka, Mihaly Szinna 29  1873  1902  </description>
      <pubDate>2010-04-24 23:59:23Z</pubDate>
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