Thank you for the reply, but you wont believe what i will say.On his children his birthplace was in 3 different towns in Illinois. But I have not found him with any family,anywhere 'til 1920 on the census,about 6 mths before he marries Ebba Lind in Chicago,Illinois. It was a way (the family) to never know the truth & then he doesnot HAVE to become a citizen. Oh yea, he was a calculating person. He retired from the Chicago Police force! (1)But I did find (Ithink)on passenger list of 1898 from Huglitz with mother named Anna,father deceased. (2)On Hamburg pass. list July 1908, Otto is 15yrs. old from Budapest. Since I have no info or family to check with. I will need to verify all info to find the truth.Aslo, there is another twist or turn to this....the saga continues, I wont give up!