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Re: Ruth Trutna Barnard, born Minn. married Nebr.

ZlaticaBeca — 2013-05-24 22:06:59Z

You're welcome. Here are some more sites to help in your quest.

www.iarelative.com
www.cgsi.org
www.csagsi.org
www.helenezx.homestead.com

http://matriky.archives.cz/matriky_lite/
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~usfgs/ Family Groupsheet Project
http://www.family-crests.com/family-crest-coat-of-arms/surna...

http://digi.ceskearchivy.cz/

http://actapublica.eu/

http://www.panix.com/~czslha/
https://www.facebook.com/CzechoslovakiaGenealogy?ref=hl

http://czechgenealogy.blogspot.com/
http://www.archives.com/genealogy/family-heritage-czech.html
http://www.wwjohnston.net/famhist/czech-research.htm

http://genforum.com

Re: Ruth Trutna Barnard, born Minn. married Nebr.

bethbrittney — 2013-05-24 21:34:18Z

Thank you!

Re: Ruth Trutna Barnard, born Minn. married Nebr.

ZlaticaBeca — 2013-05-24 21:32:00Z

How to......

http://www.geneasearch.com/beginner.htm

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rwguide/

http://www.tedpack.org/goodpost.html

Your grandmother's church baptismal record should have her parents place of birth.

http://www.kdejsme.cz/prijmeni/%C5%A0ereda/hustota/
http://www.kdejsme.cz/prijmeni/Trutna/hustota/

http://www.mapy.cz/#x=15.895331&y=49.366890&z=13&...
http://www.mapy.cz/#x=15.895331&y=49.366890&z=13&...

You might want to check into naturalization intent & petition as well as social security numbers SS-5Form for Joseph and Sophie.

Ruth Trutna Barnard, born Minn. married Nebr.

bethbrittney — 2013-05-24 21:17:43Z

I would like to find out more information about my Grandmother, Ruth Trutna (Barnard) who was born 18 Jan 1920 in Silver Lake, Minn. Her parents were Joseph Trutna and Sophie Shereda. She married William E Barnard in Wahoo, NE in 1944. I would like to find out where the family lived in the US, when they immigrated here, when Ruth moved to Wahoo.

My great grandparents, Joseph and Sophie, are buried in Wahoo, NE, as far as I know. Joseph was born in Minnesota, I believe, and Sophie in South Dakota.

I do not know who their parents were, but another post indicates that the Trutnas might have come from Gersov in southern Moravia.

Re: relations

marylevesque256 — 2013-05-24 18:40:12Z

Ok, a lot younger than I was assuming. My mother was born in 1918 in Nebraska and we will be celebrating her 95th birthday in a couple of weeks. So you must be in my own childrens' generation.

What are your goals? To learn more about your grandmother's family here in the US? After that, to gather data about marriage, births, etc. in Moravia?

I am going to write you offline. Look for a red number up by the envelope in Ancestry.

Mary Levesque

Re: relations

bethbrittney — 2013-05-24 18:14:03Z

She was born January 18, 1920 in Silver Lake, Minnesota, the daughter of Joseph and Sophie (Shereda) Trutna. On February 26, 1944, she married William E. Barnard in Wahoo, Nebraska. I searched for Joseph Trutna, and couldn't find anything. I haven't tried searching the Shereda family yet.

Re: relations

marylevesque256 — 2013-05-24 17:40:54Z

Hi, Beth. Since this topic is getting so long, you might want to start your own thread in this Moravia board.

But I have something for you. Margie Sobotka's book, Nebraska Kansas Czech Settlers, lists Jan Trutna on page 139 Saunders County as coming from Kerstov, Trebic, Jihlava. Small problem: actapublica does not list Kerstov, so it could be a misspelling. If you get your topic out as a single, some of the experts might pick up on this name and figure out what it really is. Jan Trutna is the only Trutna listed in the book, so we might theorize that he was a relative, perhaps brother or cousin, to your Joseph.

Digging a little further, I entered the German name given in one of the early posts, and came up with the Czech spelling Gersov (with a hacel over the s). And that one is in actapublica.

I took a quick look at the index for 1860 to 1897 and did not find any Trutnas. Do you know a date of birth for your grandmother? Was she born here or in Europe? I assume here. Do you have any birthdates for her parents?

Re: relations

bethbrittney — 2013-05-24 15:48:40Z

Hi Kathy, I am new to this, but am trying to find information on my grandmother's family. She was a Trutna from Wahoo, NE. Her parents were Joseph and Sophie. She had an aunt Rose who was a prison missionary in Bradenton, FL.

Re: Pestal

bethbrittney — 2013-05-24 15:42:44Z

Joseph Trutna was my grandmother's father. Her mother was Sophie. My grandmother was Ruth Trutna Barnard, and she was raised in Wahoo, NE. My grandmother passed away a few years ago, and I am trying to learn her family history.

Re: Rost/Rosst Family in Miroslav

dnmfoemmel444 — 2013-05-19 19:05:00Z

Thank you for your helpful replies. I think I am a bit better informed now. But I don't have much confidence I will ever be able to find what I'm looking for if the records are not online and are held in Prague! Maymie

Re: Rost/Rosst Family in Miroslav

marylevesque256 — 2013-05-19 01:29:33Z

Yes, both are in the Czech Republic today, which was once part of Czechoslovakia. One is in Bohemia, the other in Moravia.

These are Catholic records, but Protestant (and Jewish) records are sometimes included. Some of the Protestant churches appear to have had their own books, but it would be the more sizeable congregations. "Evangelical" appears to be the denomination. I'm not familiar with those at all, simply because none of my ancestors after 1750 or so were Protestant. That might be worth a new thread, asking about various denominations. Or maybe someone has answered that in a previous post.

Re: Rost/Rosst Family in Miroslav

dnmfoemmel444 — 2013-05-17 18:29:29Z

Thank you so much, Mary, for the reply. I have been traveling for a week+, thus away from my computer. So, this makes things a bit more complicated. Do you know, are both Miroslav locations within what later became Czechoslovokia? The Archives that appear in your link appear to be for Catholic records. Am I wrong? I think I need to be looking for Protestant records. Thank you for your input. Maymie

Re: Rost/Rosst Family in Miroslav

marylevesque256 — 2013-05-11 13:16:35Z

It appears there are two Miroslav locations, one in Moravia, the other in Bohemia. See two attached maps. Miroslav is in the upper left of each.

You've already received links about the Moravian records; the Bohemian records would be found in the Praha (Prague) archives, and are not yet online. Third attachment.

Re: Rost/Rosst Family in Miroslav

dnmfoemmel444 — 2013-05-06 01:33:28Z

To Jean & Mary: Thanks for input. Some things make sense now. Yes, the family was Protestant & I have not seen any Protestant records either. My sources as follows:
Herman J. Rost(1846-1884) St. John Luth.,Effingham, IL rec. states he was born in Miroslav.
Wilhelmina (Mina)Rost Wissen - son Walter stated in 1930 census (Marion, Indiana) that his mother was born in Czechoslovokia. Herman & Wilhelmina were children of Jacob & Johanna Rost who stated they were born in Hesse, Darmstadt.

Is there another Miroslav? Since Walter stated Czechoslovokia I thought this would be the right place.

I'm always glad to hear your hear the thoughts of others. Maymie

Re: Rost/Rosst Family in Miroslav

marylevesque256 — 2013-05-05 19:35:04Z

The German genealogy expert, Dr. Roger Minert, gave a workshop here in Omaha, and gave a possible explanation about my German ancestors who were living in Moravia. The country had unfarmed lands and the government recruited protestants who were being discriminated against in their own lands. In my case, it appears to be Anabaptists, who did not believe in infant baptism. My gr gr gr grandmother was apparently one. I have not seen this in print anywhere else, but it makes sense. This was in the 1700s. So it is possible that the Rosst family fit into a cateogy like this.

Re: Rost/Rosst Family in Miroslav

jlmurray591 — 2013-05-05 18:25:07Z

Mary and Maymie, I too noted the absence of evangelical records.
Maymie, what is and can you attach the evidence you stated showed the family was in Miroslav?
The names sound German to me. Have you looked in Prussia?
Jean

Re: Rost/Rosst Family in Miroslav

marylevesque256 — 2013-05-05 14:22:47Z

Jean, can you figure out if I found the correct Misroslav or not? If I did, this index, etc. is fairly complete. If the family was not Catholic, there might be books for the Evangelical Brethren, but usually they show up on the list, even if they are not digitized. I looked at a few pages in this book to see if protestant was ever checked, but did not see any. (I have seen books where protestant was checked, and even a Jewish entry.)

If this is the correct book, and if protestants are listed, then those two children were not born in Miroslav. That's why I was hoping that the entry I found was possibly another Rosst family, but it was not to be. By following back relatives, you sometimes get a clue where the missing ones are.

Re: Rost/Rosst Family in Miroslav

dnmfoemmel444 — 2013-05-05 11:56:00Z

Thank you both Jean and Mary for clearing that up. I'm completely lost when it comes to that old writing. Still looking for Rost/Rosst in Miroslav/Mislitz.
Maymie

Re: Rost/Rosst Family in Miroslav

marylevesque256 — 2013-05-05 02:00:23Z

Well, two letters right. (R and s) :) I am reminded, however, of someone on another board who was looking for Subert/Schubert. Thanks, Jean. I don't know how you do it. I'm better than I was, but still have a ways to go.

Mary

Re: Rost/Rosst Family in Miroslav

jlmurray591 — 2013-05-05 01:49:53Z

This is a birth record for a Catharina Raschl who is the daughter of Leopold Raschl and Theresia Schubert, daughter of Franz Schubert.
Jean

Re: Rost/Rosst Family in Miroslav

dnmfoemmel444 — 2013-05-05 00:42:45Z

Thank you for the reply. I have studied this for a while and still find it very hard to understand. Thank you for finding this as I would never have been able to read it. It does confirm the surname being present in Mislitz (German for Miroslav) if I am correct. I do not know of a Katharina in the family. Can you read the names of the parents? Thank you so much again. Maymie

Re: Rost/Rosst Family in Miroslav

marylevesque256 — 2013-05-03 23:24:12Z

I don't know how helpful this will be. I found a Rosst family in a village near Miroslav -- Vaclavov. I have attached two snips. The first one is the index that says there is a Katharine on page 197. The second shows that page. Readers, it's the top entry. Does that say Rosst? And what about the rest of it?

The two urls are:

http://actapublica.eu/matriky/brno/prohlizec/1890/?strana=15...

http://actapublica.eu/matriky/brno/prohlizec/1874/?strana=3

I don't see anything for 1846 and 1849 in the index or in the book for Miroslav.

Re: Teresa Balusek Married Albin Besta 1950 KS. Immigr. 1889 to AL.

harmsranch — 2013-05-01 13:58:31Z

Sara,
My mother is Marie Brazzle(besta). Teresa Balusek is my Great grandmother. She gave birth to Albert and he was about two when Teresa married Albin Besta. My mother has some information in a book. If you would like to call her 785-456-2347 or email me harmsranch@gmail.com. We were at the cemeteries yesterday looking for markers. Please contact us if you would like. Who are your parents?

Re: Where is Miroslav/Misslitz?

aksamitnik01 — 2013-04-25 04:20:03Z

Miroslav is in southern Moravia, so you have to look at actapublica.eu http://actapublica.eu/matriky/brno/?akce=hledat&ac_me=Mi...=

Opava archives is really only for nothern Moravia.

Where is Miroslav/Misslitz?

dnmfoemmel444 — 2013-04-24 21:15:00Z

Can anyone tell me in what time period was Miroslav known as Misslitz? When did it become known as Miroslav? I am trying to pinpoint what was the name of the place when my ancestors were there.
Also, I have been looking at matriky.archives.cz but have not been able to find anything pertaining to my family. It is a source for north Moravia. Am I looking in the right place if my ancestors lived in Miroslav? Your help in clearing this up is very much appreciated. Maymie

Re: Rost/Rosst Family in Miroslav

dnmfoemmel444 — 2013-04-24 21:06:33Z

Thank you for the recommendations. I will check them out.
Maymie

Re: Rost/Rosst Family in Miroslav

ZlaticaBeca — 2013-04-23 13:37:13Z

http://www.mapy.cz/#x=16.337266&y=48.947776&z=12&...

http://www.mapy.cz/#x=16.337266&y=48.947776&z=12&...

http://actapublica.eu/hledej/?akce=zmenaarch&archiv=brno
www.genealogienetz.de/reg
http://www.genealogienetz.de/reg/WPRU/wprus.html
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wggerman/

Rost/Rosst Family in Miroslav

dnmfoemmel444 — 2013-04-23 01:22:35Z

I have evidence that some family members were born and lived in Miroslav in the 1840's and later in Prussia: Wilhelmine Rost, b. 1849 & Herman Julius Rost, b. 1846 (brother & sister) & their parents: Jacob & Laura Elnora Johanna Rost. They were probably Protestant. Is there any source of information for birth records during that time period? Any census or other source that could tell me more? Maymie

Re: ondrasek/surovik

jerianna1 — 2013-03-27 15:27:30Z

thanks ...just sent pics to you ..

Re: ondrasek/surovik

ZlaticaBeca — 2013-03-27 15:21:05Z

I have found your e-mail on one of your posts and have sent off one to you.
zlatalzbetka2 at hotmail.com

Re: ondrasek/surovik

jerianna1 — 2013-03-27 15:12:37Z

can you give me an email...i have adjusted pic but can't post

Re: ondrasek/surovik

ZlaticaBeca — 2013-03-27 14:59:35Z

You're welcome.
Is there a way to lighten up the photo? It is a bit dark for translation.

Re: ondrasek/surovik

jerianna1 — 2013-03-27 14:57:47Z

http://billiongraves.com/pages/record/TerezieSurovik/878479 this may be the wife....not sure?

Re: ondrasek/surovik

jerianna1 — 2013-03-27 14:45:37Z

Thank you....this is the link to the stone
http://billiongraves.com/pages/record/OtecJosefSurovik/91200...

Re: ondrasek/surovik

ZlaticaBeca — 2013-03-27 14:30:28Z

jerianna1

otec - father

www.slovnik.cz
www.translate.google.com

Do you have a photo of this Josef SUROVIK's headstone? If yes, can you attach a scan here on the board?

Re: ondrasek/surovik

jerianna1 — 2013-03-27 13:37:26Z

Can anyone tell me if the Joseph Surovik in this post is Otec Josef Surovik Sr (1837-1923)who is buried in the New Tabor Cemetery in Caldwell, Burleson TX? Can anyone translate the stone for me...Where is his wife buried? I am looking at the gravestones on findagrave.com and billiongraves.com I believe my ancestor is George Surovik, son of Joseph and Tereze.

Re: Records for Moravia region?

ZlaticaBeca — 2013-03-27 04:18:57Z

I would suggest requesting the naturalization intent & petition of your ancestor as it will have the information you need to proceed with the search into the church records.

http://www.archives.gov/research/naturalization/naturalizati...
http://www.genealogybranches.com/naturalization.html

Re: Records for Moravia region?

kkcaitlin703 — 2013-03-27 04:12:36Z

I do not have the record manifest. I only have the information I have found online. The two Franks were naturalized in
LISTEK Frank 11/19/1926
LISTEK Frank 7/16/1937

Frank Jr.'s wife was Henrietta, or Enriqueta Listek. She had my grandfather in 1929, but she was naturalized in
LISTEK Enriqueta 7/19/1939.
I do not know what to make of this.

Re: Records for Moravia region?

ZlaticaBeca — 2013-03-27 03:55:01Z

kkcaitlin703
I'm not a paid Ancestry subscriber so can only give you information that I find for free.

At the time of your ancestors birth it was http://brainworker.ch/Oesterreich/Austria-hungary.png
Birds of a feather fly together - common language and common tradition to observe. Were the children naturalized with their parents or by themselves?

http://www.kdejsme.cz/prijmeni/Kojet%C3%ADnsk%C3%A1/hustota/

You have a precise date of the ancestors arrival to America so you have the arrival manifest?

Re: Records for Moravia region?

kkcaitlin703 — 2013-03-27 03:36:13Z

My great-great grandfather was born in 1874 in Austria, whereabouts unknown. His wife was born in the same year, and her maiden name is Kojetinsky. They had five kids-Frank Jr., Irene, Elias (Eloise, it was spelled wrong,)Josephine, and Emma. Frank was born in Austria, but the other four were born in Mexico. Here is where it gets interesting-they immigrated to the United States through Mexico. Irene, Elias, Josephine, Emma, and a Franz Listek all immigrated together on April 17, 1917. However, I do not know if this is the son or the father, this "Franz". There was another Frank Listek who crossed on Feb 26, 1917. And i also do not know where Bertha is, and have not found any immigration records for her. Any help?

Re: Records for Moravia region?

ZlaticaBeca — 2013-03-27 01:28:16Z

Do you have their arrival manifest and does it say they were from Vitkovice? What if they just happen to have a photo taken in Vitkovice being that it was a large town so obviously a professional photographer had a studio.
The photo has Mahren or Bohemia on it?

Listek, Frank 50 1867 1917 [M. Ostrau, Mahren on the Ellis Island arrival manifest.
http://www.mapy.cz/#x=18.290260&y=49.836553&z=13&...

Do you know Bertha's maiden name?

Sistek, Josef 34 1870 1904
Sistek, Berta 24 1880 1904
Sistek, Anna 4 1900 1904
Sistek, Marie 1 1903 1904
Sistek, Anna Ledvicieck 20 1884 1904 Could these LISTEKs be connected to your ancestor.

http://www.mapy.cz/#x=13.797599&y=50.585656&z=12&...

Re: Records for Moravia region?

kkcaitlin703 — 2013-03-26 23:13:35Z

No, I do not think so. The one I am looking for died later. I know they were there in the city because that was were the picture was taken...I do not know the year but it would be pre1917 because that is when the whole family emigrated to the US...are there any marriage records of a frank and Bertha Listek?

Re: Records for Moravia region?

jlmurray591 — 2013-03-26 13:30:13Z

I do not find a Frantisek/Frank Listek born in 1867 in Vitkovice. No Listek's born that year.
I did find a Frantisek born of Marie Listek, unmarried woman, daughter of Frantisek Listek and Maria Jarolim, and Josef Gregorczyk on July 20, 1874. Josef Gregorczyk is son of Filipp Gregorczyk, a hornik (miner) and Frantiska Wojcik.
This Frantisek born 1874, died June 17, 1897.
Could he be the Frank you are looking for?
Church records can be found at matricky.archives.cz

Jean

Re: Records for Moravia region?

kkcaitlin703 — 2013-03-26 03:16:56Z

1867

Re: Records for Moravia region?

ZlaticaBeca — 2013-03-26 02:00:17Z

kkcaitlin703

http://www.kdejsme.cz/prijmeni/L%C3%ADstek/hustota/

http://www.mapy.cz/#x=18.280354&y=49.808584&z=13&...

http://www.mapy.cz/#x=18.280354&y=49.808584&z=13&...

Re: Records for Moravia region?

jlmurray591 — 2013-03-26 00:02:51Z

Do you have a year of birth?
Jean

Re: Records for Moravia region?

kkcaitlin703 — 2013-03-25 23:10:06Z

Frank Listek. Thank u!!

Re: Records for Moravia region?

kkcaitlin703 — 2013-03-25 23:09:16Z

Frank Listek. Thank u!!

Re: Records for Moravia region?

jlmurray591 — 2013-03-25 21:49:38Z

Is there a person I can help find for you to get you started?
Jean

Re: How to Search Parish Records for Moravska Trebova

jonesofavon — 2013-03-25 16:50:51Z

Some instructions on how to find church (parish) records for the modern Czech Republic area of Moravska Trebova, called Marisch Trubau (German) back in the day.