Holy Roman Empire - Family History & Genealogy Message Board

Re: von Brabatine, von Hohenlohe

debcal5 — 2013-04-06 18:37:33Z

Hello just reading the board and this is confusing I must stay and I can see why there is a big problem on this name. I also get mix websites on the William the Silent and William Von Brabatine both with the same dates and died in the same place. All I wish is to find a marriage cerificate on one of the other to Dorothea von Hohenlohe. If she did married William the Silent I can't see why it would be a secret since she came from royalty and I guess this is why I had doubts with the marriage to William the Silent all this time. Anyone with any insight please respond thanks debi

Re: Schocher

1_dbuckles — 2012-07-18 12:42:59Z

Hi Lyn
thanks for the email and yes certainly interested in securing further info on our family tree.
Regards
Dianne

Re: Schocher

leighlemay — 2012-07-17 00:26:18Z

Hi Lyn,

I sent you an email today :) I'm happy you found me!

Re: Schocher

leighlemay — 2012-07-17 00:25:27Z

Hi Dianne,

Decided to log back in (I don't use this site at present) because Lyn Schoer tracked me down and sent me an email. I'm glad she did, because I've finally read your response :) You may have already found all the info you need re. our family tree...but I'm here if you have any questions.

Best wishes,
Leigh.

Re: Schocher

Lyn_Schoer — 2012-07-16 04:15:25Z

Hi Dianne

I saw your post when I was looking for a relative on this site. Are you a Schoer? I have the full family tree (a paper printout) at home which was compiled by one of the Schoers in New Calendonia. Let me know if you would like to see it and I will try to scan it and email to you.

Do you know how to contact Leigh? BTW - the Schoers are all over Sydney.

Regards
Lyn Schoer

Andreas Illenberger, Illerberger

johnillenberger — 2012-05-03 15:23:13Z

I found this entry in the "Heimatbuch: Nattheim und Oggenhausen":
"Andreas Illenberger aus Kaschau, ehemaliger Hauptstadt in Oberungarn, war römisch-kaiserlicher Oberst in Kaschau; gestorben anno 1587". Andreas Illenberger of Kaschau, formerly capital of Upper Hungary, was Roman Imperial Colonel in Kaschau; he died in the year 1587.
Today Kaschau is Košice in E. Slovakia. Originally a fortress town, it was headquarters of a military district called the Captaincy of Upper Hungary.
My Illenberger Family migrated from Austria to Württemberg, Germany after the 30 Years' War.
I am looking for further information on Andreas Illenberger. Any help or suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

John Illenberger

Re: Charlemange

Mohnbauer — 2012-02-07 11:14:52Z

oh, my.....

Re: Charlemange

ThatsMyPie — 2012-02-07 01:37:52Z

On the contrary, it's not rubbish at all. It's likely that far more than 70% of people with European descent are descended from Charlemagne, as they're probably also descended from Muhammad. Mathematics places the probability of the most common human ancestor somewhere between the fourth century and the thirteenth.

It's in the same style that Genghis Khan can EASILY be proven to be an ancestor to 1/10 Asians/Eastern Europeans. The problem is proving it through the lines who have fallen from nobility. An illegitimate child is just as "legitimate" as any other in terms of blood and genetics.

Schocher, Safien platz in Grundenwald, Switzerland.

2012-01-23 15:32:25Z

Informations of Schocher family. Origin from Safien platz in Grundenwald, Switzerland.
Relation With Samuel Citron Schocher found on the ancestors wall in Elis Island, New York ?

Re: Schocher

1_dbuckles — 2011-10-28 08:34:06Z

Greetings Leigh
I am aware of the Schoer line from New caledonia but didn't realize that we had ancestors in Sydney. Would love to learn more and yes link our trees in
Dianne Buckles

Re: Am I German, Swiss?

Mohnbauer — 2011-08-01 13:10:59Z

"All of these area are dominated by Germany"
not really - if you mean the "country". :o)

whats the familyname? if german, so they are simple swiss-german. only a research would show if once from Germany", but not all german-lingual people in Europe directly from there. you must take a look on the history of the "Germanic peoples" in Europe:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanic_peoples
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanic_Europe

"Switzerland" exists much more longer then since 1800.
"The establishment of the Swiss Confederation is traditionally dated to 1 August 1291; Swiss National Day is celebrated on the anniversary."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzerland

"My line is traced from the 1650 to the 1750's."
think you may feel "swiss". :o)

Am I German, Swiss?

lfmoc — 2011-08-01 13:10:17Z

I have traced my family tree back to Zell, Luzern Switzerland as well as Zurich and "Oberdorf, Basel-Country. My line is traced from the 1650 to the 1750's. All of these area are dominated by Germany, in language or culture. It does not appear that Switzerland became a definitive unified nation untill the 1800's. So, am I German, since they contolled the area when my ancestors were there? Am I Swiss, since it is Switzerland today? Do I get to choose? I'm sure we can all agree I'm confused :)
Thanks for you input!

Re: Clovis, Chlodwig, Riparian King of Cologne

ThatsMyPie — 2011-05-18 21:34:56Z

I agree wholeheartedly, I just assumed that the person who posted this thread would want factual evidence. I love tracing my history back to the Roman Emperors and the Kings of Troy, but that does not necessarily make it true, sadly. :(

But, there are links to old English and Welsh kings from the BCE era who are descendants of migrants from places in Europe, who came there after the fall of Troy. That much can be assumed, just not necessarily the Royalty.

Re: Clovis, Chlodwig, Riparian King of Cologne

Mohnbauer — 2011-05-18 09:13:22Z

"Most of it is surrounded by a mist of legend and lore."

clear that it´s not proven.:o) and how i wrote "unbelievable".
for that time-period of middle-age and specially also times later back never can be found really PROVEN results. i for myself wonder where are the person, who created the link with the line ending at Adam&Eve, found this info.....no more comment!
it doesn´t matter - for me personally the theme not of really interest.

Re: Clovis, Chlodwig, Riparian King of Cologne

ThatsMyPie — 2011-05-18 00:26:37Z

Those parents and ancestors that you have shown have never been proven to be the parents of Clovis, let alone even exist. Most of it is surrounded by a mist of legend and lore.

Re: Clovis, Chlodwig, Riparian King of Cologne

Mohnbauer — 2011-05-13 11:56:55Z

it looks like there is much known....but not sure if with 463-511 is the same person you mean. i found no with 398-448 OR 375-420.
parents of Clovis "The Riparian" King of Cologne are
Childaeric I King of the Franks and Basina of Thuringia:
http://www.gurganus.org/ourfamily/browse.cfm/Childaeric-I-Ki...

you can go line back left above at PARENTS
http://www.gurganus.org/ourfamily/browse.cfm/Merovech-King-o...
and so on (you need some time)- coming about people of the old testament
and it ends up(unbelievable) at Adam and Eve........
http://www.gurganus.org/ourfamily/browse.cfm/Adam/f365
how was it possible to research.....
but i know that it´s said that the descendants of Jesus
Christ are going to the Merowinger line.
http://www.welt-geschichte.de/html/die_franken.html
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merowinger
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlodwig_I.
also based on the legend of Maria Magdalena (Jesus) and of the holy grail.
http://www.iphpbb.com/foren-archiv/11/660800/659880/die-mero...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Grail

Re: Clovis, Chlodwig, Riparian King of Cologne

ThatsMyPie — 2011-03-20 00:55:48Z

Not much is known about the ancestry of Clovis as he was the king of the Salian Franks as Europe was falling into the Dark Ages. Clovis was the first Christian Frankish King though and created a family line which later formed the kingdoms of Austrasia (not to be confused with Austria) and Neustria, which were two kingdoms that often fought. The Kingdom of Burgundy, also a kingdom of Clovian descendants acted as the peacemaker. Later, Austrasia and Neustria, after many transformations became the kingdoms of France and the Holy Roman Empire.

Re: Becker in Saarland, DEU

Zanziguy — 2010-12-09 20:29:02Z

Added information and corrections.

Christian Becker b. abt 1822 came to America and Fort Wayne, Indiana in 1846 according to the obituary of his wife Wilhelmine Foellinger who came from Karlsbrunn, Germany. Christian came from Saarbrucken (or the surrounding area. It appears that they may have know each other prior to coming to America (to be confirmed) as their towns were near each other. Trying to determine if they came on the same ship together.

I cannot confirm the middle names of Christian Becker as previously reported. So, ignore the Fredrich Wilhelm. Christian Becker is such a common name.

Wilhelmine came with her brother John (Johann) Martin Foellinger. It appears she had an other brother (Jacob) that proceeded her in death and travels to America in 1836.

Wilhelmine may have been born Sophie Katharina Wilhelmine Fellinger (Foellinger, Follinger or Fallinger).

Re: Becker in Saarland, DEU

Zanziguy — 2010-11-30 18:05:08Z

Thank you very much

Re: Becker in Saarland, DEU

Zanziguy — 2010-11-30 18:04:15Z

Thank you very much.

Re: Becker in Saarland, DEU

Zanziguy — 2010-11-30 18:03:16Z

Thanks so much. There does seem to be entries with similar history between Foellinger, Fellinger, Follinger and Fallinger.

Wilhelmine came from Karlsbrunn, Germany and wonder if there is a resource in the area with more precise historical information and records to confirm actual names and dates as well as relationships and spellings.

Re: Oberentzen, Haut-Rhin, Birth & Marriage Records

kleubner_1 — 2010-11-16 14:14:15Z

Yes, I would definitely be interest in records for Habi, Haby and Mann. Do you want specific names? I speak French, although I'm sure there are differences between the time of the records and the language as it's spoken today.

Thank you so much!
K. Leubner

Re: Oberentzen, Haut-Rhin, Birth & Marriage Records

czumbiel — 2010-11-14 02:08:41Z

I would like to see copies of the surnames Zumbiehl and Zumbuht. Please contact me at czumbiel@yahoo.com with any info you may need.

Thanks,
Chris

Re: Oberentzen, Haut-Rhin, Birth & Marriage Records

NevaGoerner — 2010-11-05 17:43:38Z

HellO - many thanks for your input. I am sure you have helped alot of people. I am interested in MEURET from that area and one of your entries may be the family. The name is pronounced - mew-ray and spelling MEURET in many strange ways. My Patriot, Jean Henri, born ca 1800, Meuret , raised his large family in hamlet of Petitefontaine near village of Lachapel, terr of Belfort, FRANCE in what was once part of the Alsace.

Can you help me?

Thank you.

Re: Oberentzen, Haut-Rhin, Birth & Marriage Records

kleubner_1 — 2010-09-13 19:05:10Z

I am interested in records for the Habi/Haby family.

Re: Various surnames of Lorraine and the Saar

flynnmd — 2010-07-09 21:33:29Z

http://pagesperso-orange.fr/mdmpb/Lambach/Lambachbook

I ahve other Decker/Fey/Mayer info.

Cheers,

MFlynn

Re: Various surnames of Lorraine and the Saar

flynnmd — 2010-07-09 21:17:37Z

Here's a book on the Lambach area history. Spread the word...

http://pagesperso-orange.fr/mdmpb/Lambach/Lambachbook

MFlynn
Venice, CA

Re: Schocher

leighlemay — 2010-06-03 23:27:41Z

Hi there...I too am a descendant of Bartholome Schocher. I live in Sydney Australia. I read the response from Diane Buckles to you re. her family being the only direct line. Our family shortened 'Schocher' to 'Schoer' and perhaps this is why she didn't realise that there are more of us. Perhaps we could link our trees to see if either of us have any additional information?

Kind Regards,

Leigh Lemay

Re: Schocher

leighlemay — 2010-06-03 09:57:51Z

Hi Diane...Bartholome Schocher is too a relative of mine! It would be great if we could possibly link up our trees to see if either of us have additional information. I live in Sydney Australia.

Kind Regards,

Leigh Lemay.

Re: Becker in Saarland, DEU

RolfPeterSchmidt — 2010-05-06 21:08:12Z

No, sorry, I don't have them in my database, and I haven't found them on geneanet.org or gedbas.genealogy.net either.

Becker is one of the most common surnames in Saarland, so it could be tough finding the right one...

I also googled Wilhelmina/Wilhelmine Foellinger/Föllinger/Fellinger/Voellinger/Völlinger/Vellinger, and all I found was this:
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/igi/individual_record...
Johanna Friederica Wilhelmina Fellinger, born in Aachen 04/21/1823, daughter of Johann Jacob Fellinger and Anna Christina Wildenstein

And this:
http://gedbas.genealogy.net/datenblatt.jsp?nr=1016286709
Johanna Friederika Wilhelmine Fellinger, born in Aachen, married Friedrich Wilhelm Heinrich Richard Trostorff of Vaals on 05/30/1849

That's probably not your Wilhelmina. Though the dates are similar, and Aachen was in the Rhine Province of Prussia, too.

Re: Becker in Saarland, DEU

Zanziguy — 2010-05-06 21:06:44Z

I have Becker relative from Saarbruken that left Germany in 1845. Christian Friedrich Wilhelm Becker (born abt. 1822) He settled in Fort Wayne, Indiana and after arriving from Germany married Wilhelmina Foellinger(born abt 1822) from Karlsbrunn, Saarland, Germany (not far from Saarbruken. She had a brother Jacob that also came to Indiana and later died in Chicago, Illinois.

Looking to find additional links and relatives for both.

Re: Becker in Saarland, DEU

Zanziguy — 2010-05-06 21:06:00Z

Do you have children and grandchildren of Jakob Becker. My great g g grandfather came from Saarbruken in 1845. Christian Friedrich Wilhelm Becker (born abt. 1822). Looking to find his father and beyond.

Becker in Saarland, DEU

2010-05-06 21:05:36Z

BECKER Jakob, marié vers 1680 avec MAYER Anna Katharina (° v.1660 à Schwarzenholz - + v.1705 à Endorf)
BECKER Jacques, marié le 22 Janvier 1760 à Forbach avec EVERT/EBERT Anne Catherine (v.1738-1817)
BECKER Jost, marié avant 1589 avec BLASS Margaretha (+ ap.1629)
BECKER Margarethe, mariée en 1697 avec BOLEY Peter (v.1647-1705)
BECKER Anna Elisabeth, mariée vers 1705 à Kölln avec FELD Johann Theobald (°1678 à Güchenbach - +1740 à Sellerbach)
BECKER Johann Peter, marié vers 1715 à Kölln avec FELD Margaretha Elisabeth (°1695 à Güchenbach - +1770 à Etzenhofen)

Re: Becker in Saarland, DEU

RolfPeterSchmidt — 2010-03-14 18:03:21Z

Becker is one of the most common surnames in Saarland, so that could be tough...

I have a Jakob Becker in my tree. He was born some time before 1660 in Ensdorf (not far from Schwarzenholz) and died on 15/01/1734 in Ensdorf. His parents were Kurt Becker (ca. 1620-1666) and Entgen Rupp (ca. 1620-1685).

By the way: Kölln, Etzenhofen and Sellerbach are all parts of Köllerbach, which is now a part of Püttlingen, Regionalverband Saarbrücken (formerly Landkreis Saarbrücken).

Re: Mlaska Bay- Hvar Island

Zen66 — 2010-03-06 21:09:39Z

Thank you for the information.

Re: Mlaska Bay- Hvar Island

Zen66 — 2010-03-06 20:51:06Z

Yes the Mlaska name is also slovak.

The "Mlaska" family as far as I can tell came from Brno Czechoslovakia and the actual surname was Mlaskac for males and Mlaskacova for females and once in the US the name was spelled several different ways from Mlaskak, Mlaska and Mlaskoch.

I have a feeling that during the wars someone with the surname of Mlaska ended up in Croatia and that is how the Bay/Island got it's name.

Still trying to find out more about the history of Mlaska Bay-Hvar Island and how it got its name.

Re: Mlaska Bay- Hvar Island

Mohnbauer — 2010-03-06 19:53:12Z

also slovak:
http://www.ellisisland.org/search/matchMore.asp?LNM=MLASKA&a...

Re: Mlaska Bay- Hvar Island

Mohnbauer — 2010-03-06 19:50:14Z

think Mlaskac, Mlaskacova are of czech orgin. with ending -ova is the female form of the name there. not used in Croatia in this way.

Mlaska Bay- Hvar Island

Mohnbauer — 2010-03-06 19:44:33Z

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hvar
http://wikitravel.org/en/Hvar
http://www.croatia-travel-guide.com/en/Hvar_Island
http://www.hvarinfo.com/
http://www.hvarinfo.com/island-hvar-photos/
http://www.island-hvar.info/

Charlemange

Mohnbauer — 2010-03-06 19:33:38Z

an illegitime line is not of royal blood!
http://www.tedpack.org/ancient.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlemagne

how did you come to such a thesis - i can´t believe it.
this is rubbish: ".....70% of the people in the world with German, French, Swiss, BeNeLux, Northern Italian or English ancestors are supposed to be able to trace back to him. If you have that ancestry and spend enough time, you too will probably be able to trace back to him. The trail will probably reveal trace amounts of Royal Blood."

Re: Emperor Lothaire I - g.son of Charlemange

Mohnbauer — 2010-03-06 19:20:49Z

and what would be the connection of kings living 1000 years before to the evang.luth.settlers Martel???

Re: Gersbach

johngersbach — 2010-01-30 17:51:16Z

January 30, 2010

Dear Judy,

I am interested in learning more about my Gersbach family ancestry.

My immediate family currently lives in Virginia and South Carolina; although, most of my extended Gersbach family, my father's family, including uncles, aunts and cousins, currently live or lived in western New York State.

Interesting enough, I had the opportunity to work in Germany for approximately one month last year (2009), in the German state of Rheinland-Pfalz (Rhineland-Palatinate). Before returning to the US, I visited Gersbach, Germany, in the Black Forest, in the German state of Baden-Württemberg. This town was established in 1166 and the name was originally spelled "Gerispac", as per the historical summary posted in the town Wellkommen center. The center also notes that Gersbach is the center of Germany's largest natural area. I was very surprised to learn that none of the 609 residents in the town of Gersbach during my visit had the last name Gersbach. I was told by the town historian that all of the Gersbach's in the town of Gersbach moved to Switzerland and the US (mid-west) in search of work between 1700 and 1800. The current population is engaged in dairy farming, cheese-making, government and perhaps run the natural area and/or commute to nearby towns and Switzerland to work.

I know my great granfather moved to Allentown, Pennsylvania and worked for the railroad. He eventually became the station master. I was surprised also to learn that the town of Gersbach was Protestant from the beginning, and, resisted numerous attempts by the Austrian's to acquire and convert the town to Catholicism. Other European countries (Switzerland, France, etc.) also attempted to acquire Gersbach without success. Hence, when you travel to gersbach, you will learn that the town reportedly built several hundreds of palisade forts to fend off/intimidate its many potential invaders.

My miscellaneous Google searches revealed that there is also a Gersbach, Austria. Another interesting bit of information came from my mother, years ago, indicating that my father's parents had a Menorah, which presumably had been passed down through the Gersbach family (Is there Jewish ancestry in the Gersbach family?) This is rather odd, since my father's parents and his grandparents were all Catholic. Another item. A friend determined that the meaning of "Gersbach" is gristmill ("Gers") by a brook ("bach"), which, if correct, seems to be similar to the name "Miller" in the US. One additional item. The inn in which I stayed in Gersbach, Germany (Landhotel MÜHLE zu Gersbach) provided me a softcover centennial publication, in German, summarizing, the history of Gersbach, Germany, from 1884-1984. The publication contains many photos of this agrarian town.

I look forward to your reply and to anything you can share with me on the Gersbach family ancestry. Please feel free to email or call me directly at john.gersbach@yahoo.com or 434-825-0488 (c) or 434-244-2495 (h), respectively.

Sincerely,

John Gersbach
Charlottesville, Virginia

Re: KOLBET, KOLBERT, LENTZ, HAMM

wylanddrive — 2009-10-11 21:08:28Z

Hi Kathy, Lisa, and others,
I just discovered these replies to the KOLBET family of Chickasaw Co. Iowa. Looks like we are all connected. I have exchanged info with Tim Kolbet.
Please email me at ewhite38@hotmail.com

Re: Kolbet, Nussbaum, Huber in Nebraska

2009-10-11 21:07:36Z

I am looking for the Kolbet families - Chickasaw Co. Iowa and some to Nebraska, others to Washington state.

Jean Besme, de l'évêché de Toul

2009-10-09 01:27:40Z

Je recherche tous renseignements sur la famille BESME
et plus spécialement avant 1750. Je recherche la naissance et l'acendance d'un Jean Besme marié le
7/7/1754 avec lettres de liberté émanant de l'évêché de
Toul.

I am interested by the family BESME, mainly before 1750.
I search the origin of Jean Besme born between 1720 and
1740.

Re: Letters of Nobility, German

valeriegk — 2009-07-06 14:55:57Z

I purchased copies of the Letters of Nobility and Confirmation of the Letters of Nobility from the Thurn und Taxis Archive in Regensburg. They were sent to me on a CD. I had to sign an agreement that I would not place copies of them on the internet, nor sell or give copies of them to anyone else (nor make copies of them for myself). Afterwards, I wrote to the Archives and they gave me permission to have both of the documents translated from Latin into English. I got the impression that the man who wrote to me (in English) knew about my Taxis Surname Y-DNA Project.

Re: Letters of Nobility, German

Aldo10 — 2009-07-06 14:32:42Z

Glad to have some follow up to your quest to source the letters of nobility for von Thurn und Taxis. Did you consult many researchers, or mainly imperial state archives at Vienna?

Re: Letters of Nobility, German

valeriegk — 2009-07-05 02:58:48Z

I have obtained copies of the Letters of Nobility and the Confirmation of the Letters of Nobility.

Re: John Reymann, Alsace

lisahenigin — 2008-04-13 01:16:45Z

Hello I was told I could possipley find Robert Rihn on this site by Angela , Betty Nadrash's granddaughter,I am interested in the Henigin History If you can help in any way it would be greatly appreciated.

Clovis, Chlodwig, Riparian King of Cologne

AFulsang — 2007-05-13 23:06:56Z

I hope I am posting this in one of the right spots....I have come across Clovis the Riparian, King of Cologne. I have found that his parents are either Theodemir Magnus Frank Chief and Valentina Justina OR Pharamond King of Westphalia and Argotta Queen of Franks. His lived from either 398-448 OR 375-420.

I am wondering if anyone has come across him and discovered who his parents are or if these are two different people.

Any direction would be appreciated! Thank you!