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Re: Help reading script

akoppe — 2013-05-20 03:00:55Z

Thanks for the complete translation. I'm still on the trail on both sides, here in the US and in Czech.

Re: Help reading script

rud_olf — 2013-05-19 16:58:54Z

If you take down the words from the first and second line regarding marriages to the third line, the complete text is:

"Taufschein behufs der Auswanderung nach America ausgefertigt den 19.03.1861"

Baptismal certificate written (and handed out) on the 3-19-1861 for the purpose of emigration to america.

Re: domazlice communities

Tonicek — 2013-05-14 19:13:16Z

Hi Delores

Domazlice town have 5 parts:
1/ Mesto = Town
2/ Horejsi Predmesti = Upper's Suburb
3/ Dolejsi Predmesti = Lower's Suburb
4/ Tynske Predmesti = Tyn's Suburb
5/ Bezdekovske Predmesti = Bezdekov's Suburb

Tony.

Re: Faina

DeloresCisewski — 2013-05-14 17:16:26Z

This Faina family is from Domazlice district, records found at Trhanov.

Delores

Re: domazlice communities

ZlaticaBeca — 2013-05-14 01:25:59Z

You have been answered by a previous poster.

The words seem to me to be Latin.
www.translate.google.com

http://www.jewishgen.org/communities/loctown.asp
www.maplandia.com
www.mapy.cz
http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/digkonyv/topo/3felmeres.htm

http://www.mapy.cz/#x=12.954747&y=49.441320&z=12&...

http://www.mapy.cz/#x=12.954747&y=49.441320&z=12&...

Re: Faina

ZlaticaBeca — 2013-05-14 01:20:03Z

Hi Delores
I take it you know which Ujezd as there are more than one.

Re: Frank D. Kokes

marylevesque256 — 2013-05-13 22:33:18Z

Very nice! His father was Jan, they lived in house 41, and the grandfather was Pavel in house 4 in a different town.

Re: Frank D. Kokes

aksamitnik01 — 2013-05-13 04:56:06Z

Birth record of František Kokeš http://digi.ceskearchivy.cz/cs/8627/147

Re: Frank D. Kokes

dutchess64 — 2013-05-13 03:36:42Z

Try obituaries and death certificates, or funeral homes.

Re: George & Mary "Faynick" (Fenic) of 1940 NY City

halpark — 2013-05-11 14:25:36Z

Moravia (Germ. Maehren) was part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, i.e. "Austria" and people of any ethnic group would be "Austrian" by citizenship, so that would be correct for that time. Bohemia (Germ. Boehmen) was also part of the A-H Empire and both these became part of Czechoslovakia c. 1919. Yugoslavia was created, as said, from a group of Balkan Austro-Hungarian states - Serbia, Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia which are now independent states as Yugoslavia no longer exists. If the person is to be traced, as said again, the most important thing is the language spoken at home, Serb? Croat?, Bosnian? with the religious denomination also being good for a clue. History is very important for Central Europe but sorting out the history is complex and ethnicity is often the best starting point.

Re: George & Mary "Faynick" (Fenic) of 1940 NY City

marylevesque256 — 2013-05-11 12:19:56Z

The census takers (or their supervisors) did not accurately report where you were born, if it did not politically exist any longer. I have seen entries that said "Moravia" which was crossed out and Austria written over -- in a different hand, so I assume it was a supervisor "correcting" the entry. After 1919, "Czechoslovakia" was written in when the real birthplace was Bohemia. So we can assume that George Fenic was born in the geo-political area that was Yugoslavia's boundaries in 1940.

I once did some research for someone, and his grandmother's birthplace changed every census. Then I looked at history, and it was that little part of Poland that changed hands about 3 times from 1880 to 1920, and it then made sense.

According to http://www.infoplease.com/spot/yugotimeline1.html

the name Yugoslavia started being used in 1929.

Re: domazlice communities

aksamitnik01 — 2013-05-10 02:57:57Z

Civitate = from town, suburis = from suburbs

domazlice communities

DeloresCisewski — 2013-05-09 20:35:36Z

Are Civitate and Suburis, Luburis communities?

Delores

Re: George & Mary "Faynick" (Fenic) of 1940 NY City

halpark — 2013-05-09 12:08:00Z

Cannot offer any real help but there is a small point which could be important. You say the 1940 census says that George, age 36, was born in Yugoslavia. Quite impossible - Yugoslavia did not exist then. He was probably born somewhere in the Balkan Austro-Hungarian Empire - Croatia, Serbia, Slovenia which came to an end c. 1919. Suggest you Google up Austro-Hungarian Empire which would give you an idea off the size and variety of the nationalities living there. A very important point could be if you know the Language he spoke at home and also his religious denomination. Good luck.

Re: Help reading script

akoppe — 2013-05-09 03:07:44Z

That is what I was thinking too, but I've not run across that in a registry before. If it is, this is quite possible the Frantisek Simic I've been searching for. It makes a great deal of common sense too, as most of the other surnames in the area are the same common surnames that settled together in the same vicinity in US. The village name is Sedlec, near Potvorov and just North of other villages where I've found inter-married families. The time frame for immigration is EXACT. This is highly likely the family I've been seeking.

I have to confirm it by finding the other family members, but it's at least a hurrah for that. Part of the problem is the town in split between different parishes, and one is not yet online.

Much thanks to EVERYONE who help provide me clues to get this far!

Re: Help reading script

marksabol21 — 2013-05-09 01:10:31Z

I see three words which I assume mean "emigrated to America."

Re: Help reading script

akoppe — 2013-05-08 22:38:24Z

Ok, those lead me to here and this script is older and harder for me to read, dating back to 1828. This is what I see...

22 červenec 1828 domu #1 jmeno Frantisek Simica Baba ??? podrodni Anna Subin?? Rohawowa?? ???? #12

Babtizavi Petrus Heinz??

This part under with the priest/scribe's script is what I was most interested in, because it looks to give a date of 19 Mar 1861 with 2 other words before it, can anyone tell me what this is? This could very well be the Frank Simic I've been searching for.

Re: Help reading script

akoppe — 2013-05-07 21:41:32Z

Much thanks, as that appears like it might be the Simic connection to this family. I will have to take a closer look at records in Koryt.

Not qualified for Anna Urbanova, I take it not qualified as Godparent or Baba (midwife). So 1/2 sedlak & pulsedlak are equilivent? Or does that mean 1/2 here and 1/2 in another location? I know this family traveled between Jarov, Vyrov, and Koryt farming, thus the reason for my ?

Thanks again!

Re: Help reading script

aksamitnik01 — 2013-05-07 20:37:58Z

Waclaw Motiš sedlák z Janowa - Václav Motiš, farmer from Janov
Anna dcera Waclawa Šimka půlsedláka z Koritt a matky Barbory rozený Benešovy z Koritt - Anna daughter of Václav Šimek, farmer from Koryta and mother Barbora née Benešová from Koryta
Marie Šimková, Anton Motiš - farmers from Koryta

Anna Motišowa dcera Waclawa Motiše sedlaka z Janowa Nr. 2 a Anny rozené Šimkové z Koryt Nr. 11
Anton Urban 1/2sedlák z Janowa Nr. 6
Anton Melichar 1/2sedlák z Janowa Nr. 22
Anna Urbanová z Janowa nezkoušená - not qualified

sedlák, půlsedlák (1/2sedlák) - both were farmers, just the second one had less land

Help reading script

akoppe — 2013-05-07 15:15:16Z

Greetings!

I have a couple of records and I'm having trouble reading them, hoping another set of eyes will help. They are mother and son records of birth and I am mostly trying to get the mothers surnames correct. What I (think) can read...

#1 (entry #2) Parents: father - Waclaw Motis Snd?: ???? Janowa, mother - Anna dau of Waclaw S????la ???????? Koritt & mother Barbora (maiden name) B?????ova Koritt; Godparents Mary S?????owa (same surname) & Anton Motis, both ??????? Koritt

#2 Mother: Anna Motisova dau of Waclaw Motisa ?????? Jarow #2 and Anna (maiden name) S????? (Simlana??), cottage Jarow #2, Godfathers Anton Urban 1/2 ?????? Jarow #6 and Anton Motis??? 1/2 ?????? Jarow #22, widwife Anna Urbanowa Jarowa ??????

The surname beginning with S is the same surname in both. Also can't make out what the surname starting with a B is (at least I THINK it is a B). Surname that starts with S is different that that on record (Lumel) so I'm trying to figure out if it's an english version of a Czech name or totally different. Any help appreciated, thank you!

George & Mary "Faynick" (Fenic) of 1940 NY City

biermajw — 2013-05-07 13:32:21Z

I seek info about the family of George "Faynick" (Fenic) who in the 1940 census lived on W. 100th Street in New York City. The listing includes:
George age 36 b. Yugoslavia
Mary age 27 b. NJ
Dorothy age 10 b. NY
John age 1 b. NY

Please reply directly to:

John Bierman
Dayton, OH
john_bierman@att.net

Releases of parish registers

akoppe — 2013-05-03 20:20:05Z

For the parishes not yet online, is their any way to know if or when they will be released online? I've been deadended in a few lines now. I have plently to fill in elsewhere, just wondering when to come back to the project. Is there anyone notified or anywhere to be watching for when these are released? Thanks!

Re: Seeking 18th century town of Grudlitz, Bohmen

rud_olf — 2013-05-03 18:59:12Z

Dear Chris,
I think the only way to find out the 18th century spelling of Schiruska/Chyruska is to take a look into the parish book of Gradlitz/Choustnikovo Hradiste for this period. The parish books are kept in the Archive in Zamrsk. It was planned to publish them via Internet in 2012. Unfortunately this was not possible. Maybe they will be published later this year or next year. As I am personally interested in the Friebel family I´ll try to keep you informed in this subjekt. Nevertheless I think it is possible that the 20th/21th century spelling in german of the name is Schirutschke. It is the only name that I found in kontext with the region that has real similarity to the searched name.
Kind regards, rud_olf

Re: No father listed

DeloresCisewski — 2013-05-03 16:26:18Z

2 illegimate births for the same mother the first one has
no entry for the father, the second one has a house number
entered in the fathers space, is this a clue?

Re: Faina

DeloresCisewski — 2013-05-02 18:40:13Z

Hi Zlatica

My Faina line is from Ujezd, Thomas B.1847, George b.1814
Wenzel b. 1785, Wenzel b.1741, all house #8

Czechoslovakia Genealogy Research Community Facebook post on new land record collection http://tinyurl.com/adglrbp

BetseyleeN — 2013-05-02 00:05:05Z

http://tinyurl.com/adglrbp Record Update! New images added!

Czech Republic, Land Records, 1450-1889; http://bit.ly/YAPfCi

Land transactions containing significant genealogical detail for a time period that predates parish registers. The collection includes records from regional archives in Opava and Třeboň and from the district archive in Trutnov.

Collection Wiki and Learn More link; http://bit.ly/KCuFId

Re: Sussana Kockis Melaga

TomSalony — 2013-04-29 01:40:39Z

Jacki,
I've looked at passenger manifests, using the Morse gold form search of Ellis Island records,
http://stevemorse.org/ellis2/ellisgold.html
...but have been unable to find the arrival of Janos, your grandfather.
Have you done any searching of passenger manifests, for example for the other MELAGAs/MELEGAs shown on the same 1930 census with your father & grandfather? Zlatica has listed a few possibilities, and there are numerous others. There are also addition surnames from the same (or nearby) village, going TO Isaco,MO(and nearby towns) in different years., all potential clues.

TOM

Re: Sussana Kockis Melaga

jackiclancy — 2013-04-28 18:28:41Z

oh yes, that is he

bankosh/bankos/duffala/duffola/dufollo

catwillig — 2013-04-24 15:57:31Z

looking for information on these families. There is a Joseph and Michael Duffola Bremen Germany and Ukobion Hungary. John bankosh/Janos Bankos from Szad Almas, Hungary. Connected to a Charles, Emperor of Austria and Apostolic King of Hungary. One John Bankos (there are 2 Im researching father-son) born Yanok Hungary married Barbara Bankos of Kovacwi Hungary.
Does anyone have any information? Anything would be appreciated.

Re: Sussana Kockis Melaga

jackiclancy — 2013-04-24 14:33:44Z

Yes, she died so young and of course I never knew her. The only picture I have found of her is of her and my dad in 1922 at Ellis Island. On ancestry.com I have found her dad may have been John Kocsis or Kochis but the only document I found about her mother was her death certificate saying her mother's maiden name was Mary Knee but John Kochis married Anna. Dead end.

Thank you for the pic of grampa! Yes thats him in the back!! He worked at the cement factory in Ilasco MO and never remarried, died in 1978.

Re: Sussana Kockis Melaga

TomSalony — 2013-04-24 04:35:17Z

Jacki,
She died quite young(before 1930 census), didn't she. Did your grandfather never remarry? I'm not positive, but have you seen this 1936 photo, which may be he?
http://digital.hannibal.lib.mo.us/ilasco/c10010.htm
I had just been looking at what/where was Ilasco, MO, and ran across the photo.

TOM

Re: Jaszo, Jaszovaralja, Abauj m.

ZlaticaBeca — 2013-04-23 23:22:05Z

https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results#count=20&...~

Besides MELAGA there is also a MELEGA surname in Slovakia.

Jaszo [Jasov] and Jaszovaralja [Jasovsky Podzamok] show up on Abauj megye map:

http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/maps/1910/abauj-t.jpg
left side in green outline not far from STOSZ
This is the only map that I can find this Jaszovaralja on.

http://www.radixhub.com/radixhub/gazetteers/1877/
http://www.radixhub.com/radixhub/gazetteers/1877/abauj-torna...

Re: Sussana Kockis Melaga

ZlaticaBeca — 2013-04-23 22:41:05Z

Jacki
the villages are in Slovakia.

http://www.mapy.cz/#x=20.999074&y=48.681799&z=12&...

http://www.maplandia.com/slovakia/kosice/kosice-okolie/jasov...

http://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/LocTown.asp
Jasov, Jászó, Jazo populated place
48°41' N 20°59' E

E M U G

Slovakia
180.6 miles ENE of Bratislava 48°9' N 17°7' E

Re: Sussana Kockis Melaga

jackiclancy — 2013-04-23 22:15:31Z

In what part of Czechoslovakia are those towns?

Czech Regional Archives Trebon Region

fahosang — 2013-04-22 16:34:05Z

The web address for free access to the Czech regional archives for the Trebon region is http://digi.ceskearchivy.cz

You can create a free account to view and save records.

I have found the birth, death and marriage records for many of my Kriha and Hercik ancestors in the parish registers at this web address.

The records are in Czech, German and Latin.

Re: Sussana Kockis Melaga

ZlaticaBeca — 2013-04-22 14:55:37Z

jackiclancy
Is this for me? No attachment with this post.

Re: Sussana Kockis Melaga

jackiclancy — 2013-04-22 13:56:38Z

Thank you, and for the correct spelling too :)

Re: Sussana Kockis Melaga

jackiclancy — 2013-04-22 13:55:47Z

I have attached to Sussana her death certificate from Ilasco MO.

Re: Sussana Kockis Melaga

ZlaticaBeca — 2013-04-22 03:35:49Z

jackiclancy

http://www.radixindex.com/en/surname_index/surname/melaga

http://www.jasov.sk/

just a tidbit:
http://www.kdejsme.cz/prijmeni/Melaga/hustota/

On what US document do you find the name Mary KNEE and John KOCKIS?

KOCKIS could be KOCSIS.
Kocsis, Jozsef Jaszo, Hungary 45 1865 1910
Kocsis, Juzanna Jasjo, Hungary 17 1896 1913

Re: Sussana Kockis Melaga

marksabol21 — 2013-04-22 03:05:39Z

To be precise, Zuzka is the equivalent of Suzie.

Re: Sussana Kockis Melaga

ZlaticaBeca — 2013-04-22 02:58:10Z

You're welcome.
Zuzka aka Zuzanna.
http://www.behindthename.com/name/zuzanka
www.translate.google.com
www.bing.com/translator
to hear pronunciation http://ivona.com

Re: Sussana Kockis Melaga

jackiclancy — 2013-04-22 02:53:16Z

My dad always called it Slovak. I was "Zues Ka" which I was told is Sussane as my middle name is Sue. I don't remember many of the words grampa used, maybe if I think awhile :)

Re: Sussana Kockis Melaga

ZlaticaBeca — 2013-04-22 02:45:22Z

jackiclancy

Up to 1918 it was http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/austhung.htm where 12 different languages were spoken. Do you know language of your ancestor?

Melaga, Jan Jasa/CzechoSlovakia 1 1921 1922
Melaga, Maria Jasa/CzechoSlovakia 3 1919 1922
Melaga, Zuzanna Jasa/CzechoSlovakia 21 1901 1922

Jasov, Slovakia [ abov region]
1773, 1863–1913, 1938–1945 Jászó, 1786 Jaszo, Jóosz, 1808 Jászó, Joss, Jooss, Jásow, 1920 Jasov, 1927–1938, 1945–1948 Jasov, Jászó, 1948– Jasov [all the names this location was known by]
Jasovský Podzámok: 1773 Piszendorff, 1786, 1873–1877 Pizendorf, 1808 Pizendorf, Pisendorf, 1882–1913, 1938–1945 Jászóváralja, 1920 Jasovské Podhradie, 1927–1938, 1945–1948 Jasovský Podzámok, Jászóváralja, 1948–1950 Jasovský Podzámok

1910 Abauj megye Hungary map:
http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/maps/1910/abauj-t.jpg
http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/tantort/2003/palyazat/39-49_kassa...
left side almost at the bottom; inward to Jaszo with Meczenzef.

surname MELAGA and MEL'AGA in 1995 in Slovakia in these locations:
http://slovniky.korpus.sk/?w=melaga&c=o8ee

an ALL site for research in Slovakia
www.iabsi.com/gen/public
https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1&a...

http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/digkonyv/topo/3felmeres.htm
http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/digkonyv/topo/200e/39-49.jpg
left side by small 40

KOCKIS could it be KOCSIK? KOC^IK does show up in Jasov's phone book. www.zoznamst.sk

Re: Sussana Kockis Melaga

jackiclancy — 2013-04-22 02:30:52Z

Thank you so much. Maybe if I try that name on ancestry.com I can get somewhere!

Jacki

Re: Sussana Kockis Melaga

marksabol21 — 2013-04-22 00:31:53Z

My guess is that their hometown in the Old Country was Jasov,a large village about a dozen miles west of the city of Kos'ice in today's southeastern Slovakia. Until 1950, there was a separate adjacent smaller village called Jasovsky Podzamok, which seems a match for the "Podzamidz" reported as their place of birth.

Re: Sussana Kockis Melaga

marksabol21 — 2013-04-21 23:02:24Z

They came from 1922's Czechoslovakia, but they were not from the area of today's Czech Republic. The arrival record says Zusanna identified herself and her children as Slovak. She even gives her husband's name in its Magyar/Hungarian form, Janos. It also mentions the locations "Jasa," "Ilassa" (probably the same place), and "Podzamidz." I have not been able immeidately to identify those placea.

The surname spelling Kockis does not occur in Slovakia. Perhaps it was Kocsis, the Magyar spelling for what today would be Koc'is, pronounced "KOH-chees," which means coachman.

Sussana Kockis Melaga

jackiclancy — 2013-04-21 20:03:44Z

Does anyone have ANY info about Sussana Kockis Melaga, born in Czech Republic in 1900 and came over in 1922, landing on Ellis Island with my father, John J? I have only 1 picture of her and very much would like any info or pics of her!!! I thought her mother was Mary Knee. Her father was John Kockis.

Thank you, Jacki Melaga-Clancy

Re: EINHORN [Durs'tin] Dursztyn, Poland

LauriePearlman — 2013-04-21 08:08:31Z

Great info. Many thanks!

Re: Franz & Ella Helfert

abrownie03 — 2013-04-19 20:01:36Z

Tony,

Just re-read your post. WWII was from 1939 to 1945. My grandfather was in the states and married to my grandmother at that time...not married to Ella and in Germany.

Leigh

Re: Franz & Ella Helfert

abrownie03 — 2013-04-19 18:48:12Z

Tony,

Oh my gosh.....how did you find this?? Ella is my grandfather's first wife but we have not been able to find any information on her anywhere. Do you know where I can find any?? My mother never knew her father was married previous and this has been a shock to her - she found this out a few weeks ago. My mother just turned 70 years old and never knew of her. Just trying to find out a bit more.

Thank you so much for that little bit!!
Leigh