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Re: How do you choose?

bromaelor — 2013-05-19 13:17:13Z

The Register Office for Rhondda Cynnon Taf is actually in Pontypridd. Contact them, giving them the reference numbers for all three births, and the father's name for the one you want. Hopefully they other two births will have different father's names??? You should then be able to purchase the correct certificate.

Re: Price Griffiths

ann_mervyn — 2013-05-19 11:23:39Z

Your message in 1999 mentions a Mary Griffiths who married William Price in 1867. My Great Grandfather had a younger sister Mary and I seem to remember that she went to Australia. My Great Grandfathers name was Thomas Prichard Griffiths and he was born in Llanrwst (Wales) in 1830. His father was Peter Griffiths who was a congregational minister of the church in Llanrwst. Thomas and Mary had brothers Peter, Richard, David and John. Are we talking about the same people I wonder? Mervyn Rossini now living in France.

Re: How do you choose?

readderek — 2013-05-19 10:23:37Z

You say he was born near Pontypridd? If very close the family
could be included in the Pontypridd census of 1901. This could save money on many birth certificates and would give all members of the family (including the father and mothers christian names, besides any older siblings.
Good luck, Derek.

Re: How do you choose?

Merice46 — 2013-05-19 04:53:19Z

Hi,
Could there be clues from the marriage cert. as regards the witnesses?What was his fathers occupation on the marriage cert?Do you know any of his siblings names?

Regards

Sandra

How do you choose?

nadzie — 2013-05-18 18:18:51Z

My great grandfather was born near Pontypridd in September 1899. His name was William Henry Jones

The problem I have is, there are 3 William Henry Jones's whose births were registered at this time. I have no idea who his mother is, and all I know about his father is he was called John Jones.

Short of purchasing all 3 birth certificates and finding out if John fathered one of these Williams, what is the best thing to do?

Re: Kidwelly - William Harris B 1847

NeilHarris75 — 2013-05-16 14:03:11Z

Hi Sandra,
thanks for the reply,
I have the family on Census records from 1871 to 1911, through Swansea, Loughor, Llanguick, Birmingam and Aston Manor, Mary's surname is the sticking point, as there is a fair few William Harris' in Kidwelly / Wales,
unfortunately finances prevent the purchase of more birth certificates, so I'm looking to see if I can expand the knowledge through the message boards, hoping there may be someone out there already with the knowledge
Regards & thanks
Neil

Re: Kidwelly - William Harris B 1847

Merice46 — 2013-05-16 12:47:43Z

Hi,
Lots of William Harris getting married,might be an idea to get the birth cert. of one of the chilfren to get Marys surname.

Birth reg.

George Herbert Harris

Llanelly 11a 845 Sep.Qtr 1888

Have you got the family on all the census?

Regards

Sandra

Kidwelly - William Harris B 1847

NeilHarris75 — 2013-05-16 11:52:35Z

I'm looking for any information on my 2xgreat grandfather William Harris, born 1847 in Kidwelly, Carmarthenshire, believed to be married to a Mary, born 1847 in Newcastle Emlyn, bearing seven children, William John, Sophia Ann, Thomas, David James ( all born in Swansea ), George H born in Llanelly, Florence and Elizabeth ( both born in Gowerton ).

Re: William Abraham (Mabon)

evanpowello — 2013-05-13 21:17:30Z

Hi Ann,

I'm the Great, Great Grandson of Mabon and was just doing some research after a conversation with a senior gentleman from Conwy.

We discussed him in detail and he was married to a lady from Manchester although she died after giving him 3 daughters.

There's no knowledge of a Cecilia Abraham, although I'll ask my Uncle, John, when I next see him.

In terms of the link, please accept my apologies for not knowing, as I'm not aware of the Simmons side of the family, but did you mean a link to Admiral Lord Nelson?

Kind regards,

Evan

Re: information William David Walsh

LindaRoss182 — 2013-05-12 18:50:12Z

I have not been able to find mention of Walter in any census other than '1881 and 1911. The Walter I have was born in 1881. After that I have been able to follow him to Canada, etc. etc. until his death. Likewise with his brother Owen. His info. comes from the 1911 census. I found no birth record, but have been able to follow him since the 1911 census until his death in Vancouver, B.C. Canada in 1970.
I found out from an elderly aunt that Walter grew up in an orphanage in England. She knew no more than that. Another family member said he had heard that the family was very poor and had to give their children up??? As to whether some children were born in Ireland, that could be a possibility, but I don't really know. I do know that Co. Cork suffered greatly during the potato famine and againg family lore said they left for Wlaes. Given that time frame Margaret Thorpe would have been nearing the end of her child bearing years.
Unfortunately, since I am unable to find any mention of the parents in Wales, and both Walter and Owen list that as their birth place, I can't find any children with a Margaret and William (they were both from Ireland ... possibly County Cork ... have not found any marriage records there); I was hoping there might be some documentation other than census to try and track adoptions/orphanages/workhouses. I have not been successful in Ancestry.
I am thinking I have hit the proverbial brick wall, until some other clue comes along.
Thank you for your interest. Very much appreciate it.
Linda, Ont. Canada

Re: Looking for Gerald McEllistrim or McIllistrim later Gerald Montrio

diane_monks — 2013-05-12 18:07:42Z

Yes very confusing-i've just answered on the other board!lol.

Di

Re: Can't find Penmovery

bromaelor — 2013-05-12 17:27:01Z

Can you tell us exactly where you found this information?
Do you any names of ships on which he sailed?

Re: Can't find Penmovery

Merice46 — 2013-05-12 15:25:59Z

Hi,
Dob + date of birth

Regards

Sandra

Re: Can't find Penmovery

JasminLeuthold50 — 2013-05-12 15:11:27Z

What do you mean by a dob ?

Re: Can't find Penmovery

Merice46 — 2013-05-12 13:56:10Z

Hi,
Have you got a dob for your John Roberts?

Regards

Sandra

Can't find Penmovery

JasminLeuthold50 — 2013-05-12 11:48:41Z

Can anyone help me find a town in England or Wales called something like "PENMOVY" or "PENMOVERY".John Roberts,a mariner is mentioned in ADM records as being born in this town but I can't find it.

Re: RUSSELL from Wales to Newfoundland

whycliffrussell — 2013-05-10 15:14:58Z

Hi:

I noticed your post re. William Russell. He is my great-great-great grandfather on my father's side of the family (hence I still carry the Russell name) and an old english 1st name. I have been looking for some information on him for years. Would you mind sharing with me. The only information that I have is what I gathered from some community elders in William's Harbour, Labrador (named after him) about 15 years ago.

Thanks,
Whycliff Russell

Re: information William David Walsh

welshladymegan — 2013-05-10 09:33:28Z

The only way to find out if he was in an orphanage would be to track his locations in the various census (1881, 1891, 1901 and 1911).

I thought I would try and see if I could trace Walter Walsh born 1881 through the censuses. I started searching on a broad basis, and spotted in the 1881 census a Walter Walsh aged 19 who was born in Ireland and living in Pontypridd (which is not that far from Pontypool), and wonder whether there is any connection to your family. (Census refs: Piece: 5300; Folio: 48; Page: 25).

Going back to Walter born 1881, I can’t find him in any census until the 1911 Census, when he is married and living in Southall, Middlesex, (which is today part of greater London) and working as a chimney sweep (Census refs: Piece: 6800; Schedule Number: 59). Also there is his brother Owen. The census says that Walter and his wife have been married for 8 years, and have had 4 children, but only 1 is still living.

Walter David Walsh married Clara Louisa Wilkinson in Kensington, London in Qtr Apr 1903 (Vol. 1a Page 366). The parish record which Ancestry have says that his father, William, was deceased, and had been a “cab proprietor”. Clara’s father is not listed, but there are 2 Wilkinons who were the witness. Neither appear on the 1901 census with Clara. Walter and David were living at the same address and as Clara was only 17 she would have needed her father’s permission!

Clara is listed in the 1901 Census with her parents and siblings in Islington, London. I am now very confused as in the 1891 census, she is listed with different parents, who could well the witnesses to her marriage… (Piece: 38; Folio: 181; Page: 34).

I can’t find wither Walter or Owen before 1911. Could they have been brought up in Ireland?

Re: information William David Walsh

LindaRoss182 — 2013-05-09 20:00:01Z

Thank you Megan. It has been a real puzzle trying to find this man and his family. I was told this morning that Walter grew up in an orphanage. Do you know how I would confirm that information? I think I mentioned that family lore has it that they could not afford their children. I was not aware that this had happened to Walter.
A puzzle :=)
Linda

Re: Looking for Gerald McEllistrim or McIllistrim later Gerald Montrio

Merice46 — 2013-05-09 16:35:21Z

Hi
Well obtaining the certs.I think will help you.

Regards

Sandra

Re: information William David Walsh

welshladymegan — 2013-05-09 16:34:29Z

Pontypool is a town in Monmouthshire which is in South East Wales.

Walter Walsh's birth was registered in Jan Qtr of 1881, in the Pontypool Registration District - Vol 11A Page 134

I cannot see a birth registration for Owen Walsh anywhere at about the right time.

I can't find any likely matches in the 1881 Census in the UK.

You can use the registration details listed above for Walter to purchase his birth certificate direct from the General Registry Office (GRO) at a cost of £9.25. His birth certificate will tell you when and where he was born, the names of his parents, and his father's occupation which might help finding them.

The GRO web site is https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp

Regards
Megan

Re: Looking for Gerald McEllistrim or McIllistrim later Gerald Montrio

barcons — 2013-05-09 16:23:45Z

Sandra, many, many thanks for the information. Yes, I'm afraid the information about Gerald is a bit confusing. I thought Brooks was like a middle name but it seems to be a family name. I wonder why Gerald changed the name so many times...? Maybe he was trying to disconnect from roots? Why? The family name McEllistrim could be the family name of his mum Julia? Do you have any idea where I could find more information?
Again, thank you very much. You opened in front of me another way to look for.
Best regards,

Francesca

Re: Looking for Gerald McEllistrim or McIllistrim later Gerald Montrio

Merice46 — 2013-05-09 11:32:11Z

Hi,
I then found this!

Marriage reg.

Gerald McEllistrim Cardiff 11a 486 Mar.Qtr 1909

His wife is named Margaret but she is not in the list of brides so you may find it useful to buy the marriage cert.
I thought it strange to find an unusual name repeated,he is born in Tralee and Margaret was born in Monmouthshire and they have a dau.Martha Joanna born 1910.

Regards

Sandra

Re: Looking for Gerald McEllistrim or McIllistrim later Gerald Montrio

Merice46 — 2013-05-09 10:42:28Z

Hi,
Bit confusing.

Birth reg.

Gerald McEllistrim Brooks

Cardiff 11a 476 Mar.Qtr 1909

1911 census for Merthyr Tydvil Glamorgan

Isiah Brooks 36 coal miner born Treforest Glamorgan
Julia 34 born Tralee Ireland
Alphonsus 14 born Tralee
John 11 born Tralee
Eileen 10 born Tralee
Marie 8 born Tralee
Stephen 6 born Cardiff
Gerald 2 born Cardiff

Address

40 Henry Richard Street
Treodyrhiw
Lower Merthyr Tydfil
Glamorgan

Can't see a marriage for Isaiah and Julia maybe it was in Ireland?

Regards

Sandra

Looking for Gerald McEllistrim or McIllistrim later Gerald Montrio

barcons — 2013-05-09 05:37:17Z

Could anyone help me with some information?
I'm looking for information about Gerald McEllistrim. It seems he was born at Cardiff, Wales, England on Dec 21st 1908, but some papers point he was Irish.
His parents names were John McEllistrim + Julia (but she's not sure). Gerald was a merchant navy seaman and he travelled around the world. On April 1936 he asked for American Naturalization and on the papers of petition says that his name was "Gerald Montrio (formerly Gerald McEllistrim or Gerald McEllistrim Brooks). It's a mistery the reason for which he changed his paternal name McEllistrim to Montrio.
He married in USA with an Argentinian woman and had 2 children a boy (called Gerald like him) and a girl. His children brought the adopted name Montrio.
His son Gerald dissappeared with a friend (they both had 15 and 13 years old) and never had been found. Now this story is a cold case recently reopened and published in the NAMUs data base.
His daughter says her father never told them about his origins, his family. She knows very little about his father.
Why he changed his family name?

information William David Walsh

LindaRoss182 — 2013-05-07 15:53:21Z

I am looking for information on William David Walsh and his wife Margaret Thorpe or Thorp who lived in or around Pontypool ... census info on sons Walter b. ard. 1881 and Owen ard. 1884 gives this town as place of birth. The 2 boys ended up in Canada.
William and his wife supposedly had 12-13 children but could not afford them. I have not been successful in finding birth reg. for any other Walsh children. Apparently William and/or Margaret were from Cork ... don't know whether this is county or town.
I am hoping someone can shed some light on this illusive couple.
Cheers,
Linda from Ontario, Canada

Re: Wales, Tonyrefail: Emrys Evans decendants?

horn_mt — 2013-05-07 00:37:05Z

Thanks for the reply. Sorry for cross posting here; new and figuring it out. I will continue with my other post:

"From Tonyrefail: Eunice (Evans) Brunault; Olive (Evans) Henderson"

Re: Wales, Tonyrefail: Emrys Evans decendants?

Merice46 — 2013-05-06 05:04:17Z

Hi,
More info needed ie dob's as the names you quote are very popular in Wales.

Regards

Sandra

Wales, Tonyrefail: Emrys Evans decendants?

hornmt — 2013-05-05 21:52:26Z

I am seeking relatives of Emrys Evans (born late 1800s), from Tonyrefail.

His offspring were: Olwen, Eunice, Olive, Suliena, Enid, Alice, Rutley, Trevor. They were born between 1907 and 1925, some in Tonyrefail and some in Canada.

Emrys is my Great Grandfather.
Thank you,
Michael

Re: elizabeth rowlands 1832-1833? father owen rowlands

Merice46 — 2013-05-01 05:55:57Z

Hi,

1841 census for St Davids Pembrokeshire

Piece 1444 38 11

John Phillip 28
Margaret 35
Thomas 1
Elizabeth Rowland 8
Margaret Rowland 6

Marriage reg.

Margaret Rowland - H=John Phillip

HAverfordwest 26 851 Dec.Qtr 1838

The cert. will say whether Margaret was a widow.

Regards

Sandra

Re: elizabeth rowlands 1832-1833? father owen rowlands

ANGELABECKETT1 — 2013-04-30 19:51:12Z

I know she married thomas davies in liverpool, thats where i have fathers name from...

elizabeth rowlands 1832-1833? father owen rowlands

ANGELABECKETT1 — 2013-04-30 19:49:56Z

hi can anyone help im trying to find a baptisim or any record for elizabeth rowlands born 1832 or 33 on census it says Iregean, but im thinking it should be tregean, her fathers name is owen rowlands occupation on marriage is a steward. possable sister could be margaret montgomery rowlands?? or this could be a cousin.

please any help would be gratfully accepted

Re: Baptism

crowvalleysheds — 2013-04-29 21:25:57Z

Hi, Sandra I have found baptisms for a Sarah Powell 1785, Abigale Powell 1787, Johnathan Powell 1788 Llancroyd Carmarthshire, David Powell (gggg grandfather) and Rees Powell 1793 all on freereg. Besides Johnathan they were all baptized in Bettws Mill St. (Cong) Newport with father Howell Powell. If I have the right baptism for David Powell why in all the census's is he saying he was born in Henllys. Then I've got the problem of Howell there seems to be so many of them. There is also a Charles Powell born c.1775 living in Henllys but I'm unsure of his birthplace, someone has changed Bausin to Bryngwyn in the 1851 census. I don't know if he could be an uncle or cousin of David's.
Deb

Re: Baptism

Merice46 — 2013-04-29 17:26:31Z

Hi,
If you give more info.maybe someone MAY be able to help??

Regards

Sandra

Baptism

crowvalleysheds — 2013-04-29 12:41:35Z

My gggg grandfather was David Powell and I have found him in the census's up until 1871 and then he passed away in 1875. In the census's he states he was born in Henllys, Monmouthshire, Wales but I can only find a baptism for a David Powell in Bettws mill St (cong) Newport father Howell Powell and a few siblings.
I've already tried to tie in the siblings and look for the birth place of Howell and his wife to no avail and ordered a death certicate for a Howell Powell in Aberystruth which is where David moved.
I don't know if I'm missing something.
I don't know where to go from here, any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
deb

Thomas & Mary Evans (Llanwenog)

swansgal — 2013-04-26 08:13:24Z

Looking for info on Thomas & Mary Evans (Llanwenog). 1901 census: Thomas Evans b:1838, Mary Evans b:1868, William b:1892, Lettice b: 1895, Morgan b: 1900. Family Search states Thomas as being born in 1864, along with other children John b:1890 and Gwenllian b:1896.

Re: Thomas & Mary Evans (Llanwenog)

Merice46 — 2013-04-26 05:39:03Z

Hi,
On 1911 census only Mary and Morgan at home.

Mary Evans widow 49 born llanwenog
Morgan Evans 11 born Llanwenog

Can't see William

Regards

Sandra

Re: O'Connors/Connors from Machen Lower

maryedmunds_1 — 2013-04-24 08:52:18Z

Catherine Connor was my great grandmother. She married John Deneen. She has a chequered history with 3 prison sentences for larceny! I don't know much about her parents except her mother died in Jan 28th 1879. My cousin found her death certificate. She was lying in a stream when she died.

Re: Cousins

mickdavy — 2013-04-17 01:04:23Z

G'day Ben, . I'm descended from Richard Prices youngest sister Elizabeth Price of Bridgend (Tynton Farm)..

We share the same ancestor Rice Price. ..so we are cousins. Glad to meet you.

cheers
Michael.

Re: davies/rowland in wales help with such comman names x

syljun — 2013-04-10 17:36:45Z

Have you the Marriage Cert of Thomas and Elizabeth. Could only find one entry of perhaps Thomas Davies and Elizabeth Rowlands which was June Qtr 1851 Newport 26 202 on Freebmd
There are several couples on this entry but from 1851/1853 this is only entry I could find with these two names.
I now see there is a Marriage 1852 at Liverpool. Dec Qtr.

Re: davies/rowland in wales help with such comman names x

ANGELABECKETT1 — 2013-04-10 12:04:10Z

ok just read all the posts again at the time didnt know maiden name of elizabeth, found out its rowlands or rowland and found her fathers name is owen rowland also his fathers name is thomas davies and need to go back from there. cant find any links to the family in treagean, and ive been looking 2 days solid. if i cant find out owen rowlands wife the mother of elizabeth or thomas davies and his wife, the father of thomas davies in wales then my search comes to an end and there is no point keeping ancestry on as ive found all i can about thomas davies and elizabeth rowlands since they turn up in liverpool married and have children.

Re: davies/rowland in wales help with such comman names x

bromaelor — 2013-04-10 11:31:27Z

See:

http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/localities.britisles.wales.gene...

Re: davies/rowland in wales help with such comman names x

ANGELABECKETT1 — 2013-04-10 11:10:51Z

NO because i cant find owen rowlands wife, father, mother where they lived in wales or thomas davies fathers wife, or his parents or where they are from, so thats what im asking for help with and ive given everything ive got in the clues in the message just hoping someone out there knows...

what did you say in 2012?

regards

Ang

Re: davies/rowland in wales help with such comman names x

bromaelor — 2013-04-10 08:51:15Z

Didn't we answer this in Dec 2012?

davies/rowland in wales help with such comman names x

ANGELABECKETT1 — 2013-04-09 21:50:14Z

hi there im trying to trace my family back to wales hit a brick wall gave up and now im back for more but after 2 days of getting nowhere can anyone help? im trying to trace back the family's of elizabeth rowland and thomas davies both from wales on census, very vague i know only one census says elizabeth rowland is from Iregean wales and there is no such place. facts i know are elizabeth rowland born abt 1833 and thomas davies born abt 1834 in wales, married at st davids church on 14th november 1852, elizabeths father is called owen rowlands a steward and thomas davies father also called thomas davies a mariner. I think witness margaret hughes may be a sister but this is a guess, as were going off what weve been told in the family.
I know this is a long shot, finding a thomas davies in wales but dont want to give up on my family tree please help.

Re: Nantyderry House

harryrose2008 — 2013-04-09 20:32:12Z

I believe the records can be found at the National Archives catalogue references MH 96/837 and 838 unfortunately they can't be accessed on line.hope this helps there is a picture of the house on line it is a private house now hope this helps a bit

Re: Nantyderry House

TrudyNicholls61 — 2013-04-09 19:16:31Z

Thanks so much for this information. We had guessed as much since I posted the question, as my mother was born out of wedlock and was born in 1934. Do you have any other information on it, or perhaps where I can gain some?

Re: Nantyderry House

harryrose2008 — 2013-04-09 17:32:44Z

Nantyderry house was a maternity home affiliated to national council for one parent families from 1919-1948 it was run by a committee I was born there in 1946

Re: BRADLEY FAMILY

Merice46 — 2013-04-05 18:39:28Z

Hi,
1911 census

Address

Gotland Dyffryn
Near Neath
Glamorgan

Henry Trewon Bradley 42 Domestice Gardener born Newent? Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Margaret 43 born Caldicot Monmouthshire
Elizabeth Ellen 15 born Dyffryn Glamorgan
Irene Alice 11 born Dyffryn
Harold Augustus 11 born Dyffryn
Christine Margaret 7 born Dyffryn
Hilda Thirza 4 born Dyffryn
Marjorie Lavinia 2 born Dyffryn

Marriage reg.

Henry Trewant Bradley - Elizabeth Margaret Watts

Pontypool 11a 221 Dec.Qtr 1893

Regards

Sandra

BRADLEY FAMILY

bleppersgirl — 2013-04-05 13:14:51Z

My Grandma, Christine Margaret Bradley Barnes is from Wales. Neath Wales I believe. She's deceased. I'm trying to find her brothers/sisters and any family she has there.
I know she had a sister named Hilda Bradley, I think a brother bill too.

My Grandma was born November 10, 1903. She died Oct 24, 2001. If you can help me, I would really love it!!!! Thank you so much!!! Beth Lepper